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(Abc.net.au)   Bad: Losing dangerously radioactive material. Worse: It's the size of a tic-tac. Oh hell: Location has been narrowed down to somewhere along a 1,400km stretch of road   (abc.net.au) divider line
    More: Scary, Gamma ray, Beta particle, Transport, Emergency service, Great Northern Highway, missing radioactive capsule, Causality, Department of Fire  
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2866 clicks; posted to Main » on 27 Jan 2023 at 8:42 AM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2023-01-27 8:16:08 AM  
Dangerously radioactive capsules are Happy Fun Ball in real life:
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2023-01-27 8:44:44 AM  
Is a radioactive tic-tac is more toxic than TikTok?
 
2023-01-27 8:44:55 AM  
Great, someone is going to find it, pick it up and get super mutant powers and wear tight spandex and fight crime and become the next super hero film to smash all attendance records.

Ot they'll just burn their hands and die a slow death.
 
2023-01-27 8:46:44 AM  
I have been repeatedly assured that modern X-rays are only a little more dangerous than watching an old television, so which is it?
 
2023-01-27 8:46:47 AM  
Do you want Ninja Turtles? Because this is how you get Ninja Turtles.
 
2023-01-27 8:47:43 AM  
To be fair with it being that radioactive they should be able to find it.
 
2023-01-27 8:48:38 AM  
Is it cesium?
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2023-01-27 8:48:59 AM  
Is Tic-Tac-Man DC or Marvel?
 
2023-01-27 8:49:08 AM  

GhostOfSavageHenry: To be fair with it being that radioactive they should be able to find it.


Pretty sure there are satellites that do that.
 
2023-01-27 8:50:26 AM  

steklo: Great, someone is going to find it, pick it up and get super mutant powers and wear tight spandex and fight crime and become the next super hero film to smash all attendance records.

Ot they'll just burn their hands and die a slow death.


Or, since it is Australia, one of the many animals or insects that can kill you finds it first.

When they mentioned the size of it and what its purpose was, I thought back to my days working on a frac crew. They used a radioactive material in the densometer. It was just a tiny speck as well, but when you transported the big old piece of equipment it was contained in, only haz mat certified drivers could transport.  They were very strict about it. During transport, there was a shielding that had to be place and locked for proper transport of the machine.
 
2023-01-27 8:51:57 AM  

Marcos P: Is it cesium?
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That's what I was thinking.  I wanted to say they used that in the machines when I was on a frac crew(see my other post)
 
2023-01-27 8:52:48 AM  
But we should definitely shoot nuclear waste into space.
 
2023-01-27 8:53:27 AM  

iamskibibitz: Is a radioactive tic-tac is more toxic than TikTok?


Take the glowing orange tic-tac tik tok challenge and find out!
 
2023-01-27 8:56:49 AM  
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2023-01-27 8:57:22 AM  
In unrelated news, a new Giant deadly spider in Australia has been discovered with a web full of partially consumed human prey. Authorities are unsure how it grew so massive in such a short time
 
2023-01-27 8:59:37 AM  

Pharmdawg: I have been repeatedly assured that modern X-rays are only a little more dangerous than watching an old television, so which is it?


Digital x-rays done without film are a lot less exposure than they used to be.

My mother remembers using these:

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My dentist has one in his office among his collection of antique medical stuff. He's disabled it to make it permanently non-functional.
 
2023-01-27 9:00:21 AM  

GhostOfSavageHenry: To be fair with it being that radioactive they should be able to find it.


Yeah, they should be able to fly a plane along the route and get a rough location, then drive out and easily find it.
 
2023-01-27 9:01:20 AM  
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2023-01-27 9:01:44 AM  

Dictatorial_Flair: But we should definitely shoot nuclear waste into space.


When we build a space elevator we should LIFT reprocessed nuclear waste into space. Rockets are a dumb idea for that, though.
 
2023-01-27 9:02:57 AM  

steklo: Great, someone is going to find it, pick it up and get super mutant powers and wear tight spandex and fight crime and become the next super hero film to smash all attendance records.

Ot they'll just burn their hands and die a slow death.


Too late.

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2023-01-27 9:03:53 AM  
Pernicious nonsense. Everybody could stand a hundred chest X-rays a year. They ought to have them, too.
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2023-01-27 9:04:50 AM  

jimmyjackfunk: steklo: Great, someone is going to find it, pick it up and get super mutant powers and wear tight spandex and fight crime and become the next super hero film to smash all attendance records.

Ot they'll just burn their hands and die a slow death.

Or, since it is Australia, one of the many animals or insects that can kill you finds it first.

When they mentioned the size of it and what its purpose was, I thought back to my days working on a frac crew. They used a radioactive material in the densometer. It was just a tiny speck as well, but when you transported the big old piece of equipment it was contained in, only haz mat certified drivers could transport.  They were very strict about it. During transport, there was a shielding that had to be place and locked for proper transport of the machine.


Magpies love shiny things. Watch out for Emu-sized trinket thieves in the future.
 
2023-01-27 9:05:46 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Too late.


I think we're both too late

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2023-01-27 9:08:16 AM  
I imagine is just fell off an Aussie train.  Road train.

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2023-01-27 9:08:49 AM  

DannyBrandt: GhostOfSavageHenry: To be fair with it being that radioactive they should be able to find it.

Pretty sure there are satellites that do that.


mrmopar5287: GhostOfSavageHenry: To be fair with it being that radioactive they should be able to find it.

Yeah, they should be able to fly a plane along the route and get a rough location, then drive out and easily find it.


Your armchairs are on fire.
 
2023-01-27 9:09:10 AM  
The natives might find it an use it to make jewelry. I saw this episode of The Next Generation.
 
2023-01-27 9:09:16 AM  
Seems like it might be an opportunity to test a nuke sniffer plane.  Not quite sure what their sensitivity level is though.
 
2023-01-27 9:13:09 AM  
All we have to do is wait for the Godzilla-sized kangaroo

/Kongaroo
 
2023-01-27 9:14:23 AM  

HighlanderRPI: In unrelated news, a new Giant deadly spider in Australia has been discovered with a web full of partially consumed human prey. Authorities are unsure how it grew so massive in such a short time


Go Swans!!  OY OY OY!!!
 
2023-01-27 9:15:53 AM  

robertus: All we have to do is wait for the Godzilla-sized kangaroo

/Kongaroo


Let's not give Roland Emmerich any ideas.
 
2023-01-27 9:19:28 AM  

BitwiseShift: I imagine is just fell off an Aussie train.  Road train.

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So you're saying Road Warrior was a documentary. Interesting.
 
2023-01-27 9:19:44 AM  

functionisalwaystaken: a nuke sniffer plane


You wouldn't be looking for anything airborne because the capsule is probably in one piece.

The gamma rays emitted would be easy to find with some airborne sensors, either on a low-flying plane or on a helicopter. They could also probably drive the entire route with a truck and find it, and that would be cheaper (the plane would be quicker to cover the area).
 
2023-01-27 9:19:59 AM  
Normally, the material is double-sealed in stainless capsules, which are typically housed in a holder designed to fit whatever device they go with. The holder is usually stored in a heavy, locked container for transport. It would be unusual to transport the capsule loose in an unsecured container.
 
2023-01-27 9:20:47 AM  
It's a shiny little thing. It will end up in a bird's nest eventually.
 
2023-01-27 9:21:11 AM  

mrmopar5287: The gamma rays emitted would be easy to find


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2023-01-27 9:23:45 AM  

qlenfg: Normally, the material is double-sealed in stainless capsules, which are typically housed in a holder designed to fit whatever device they go with. The holder is usually stored in a heavy, locked container for transport. It would be unusual to transport the capsule loose in an unsecured container.


It is believed the capsule fell through the gap left by a bolt hole, after the bolt was dislodged when a container collapsed as a result of vibrations during the trip.

That explanation is amazingly suspect, right?
 
2023-01-27 9:30:10 AM  
I have an AirTag on my wallet to help me locate it, and it doesn't even pose a mortal danger to anyone. WTF, Australia?
 
2023-01-27 9:31:08 AM  

mrmopar5287: Pharmdawg: I have been repeatedly assured that modern X-rays are only a little more dangerous than watching an old television, so which is it?

Digital x-rays done without film are a lot less exposure than they used to be.

My mother remembers using these:

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My dentist has one in his office among his collection of antique medical stuff. He's disabled it to make it permanently non-functional.


I have the dimmest of memories of a shoe store having one of those.  A lot of good it did, when growing up my shoes never fit right as as a result my feet just don't look right.
 
2023-01-27 9:31:08 AM  
Definitely don't eat it
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It would not be kind to your waistline
 
2023-01-27 9:32:59 AM  

steklo: Great, someone is going to find it, pick it up and get super mutant powers and wear tight spandex and fight crime and become the next super hero film to smash all attendance records.

Ot they'll just burn their hands and die a slow death.


Shouldn't it be fairly easy to drive along that road with a Geiger counter?
 
2023-01-27 9:33:37 AM  
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2023-01-27 9:38:39 AM  
Send Ringwraiths to look for it?
 
2023-01-27 9:42:24 AM  
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2023-01-27 9:43:58 AM  

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"Of course I was!  It was a gift from Vladimir Putin!"
 
2023-01-27 9:48:39 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: Shouldn't it be fairly easy to drive along that road with a Geiger counter?


Good point. I never used one before, I assume they are pretty accurate, but I don't know the range, maybe something that radioactive could emit signals hundreds of yards, a mile? Or maybe a few short yards?
 
2023-01-27 9:57:42 AM  

steklo: maybe something that radioactive could emit signals hundreds of yards, a mile? Or maybe a few short yards?


It's a gamma emitter so they will able to locate it over hundreds of yards through air with a very sensitive detector.
 
2023-01-27 10:01:32 AM  

steklo: Natalie Portmanteau: Shouldn't it be fairly easy to drive along that road with a Geiger counter?

Good point. I never used one before, I assume they are pretty accurate, but I don't know the range, maybe something that radioactive could emit signals hundreds of yards, a mile? Or maybe a few short yards?


Me either, so I googled it. Apparently they don't have great range, but there are other instruments that they could probably mount on a truck.
 
2023-01-27 10:04:43 AM  

mrmopar5287: When we build a space elevator we should LIFT reprocessed nuclear waste into space. Rockets are a dumb idea for that, though.


Taking it up in an elevator would just get it far away from us. Without any thrust at all, you'd have to take it WELL beyond orbit to actually get rid of it. Otherwise it would just reenter the atmosphere once you let go. Even then, you'd leave it in a helio-centric orbit which would just put it on intercept course with Earth a couple years later.

Unless you were joking, in which case, well done. I can't tell anymore.

But I think orbital mechanics are really interesting. Fun fact: It takes about twice the amount of energy to "drop" something into the sun than it does to exit the solar system. You have to reduce the orbital velocity, relative to the sun, to almost 0. Our orbital velocity is about 107,200 km/hr. So you'd need a change in velocity (delta-V) of about 100,000km/h to reach the sun. Escape velocity from the solar system is about 151,300km/h, so you'd only need a delta-V of about 45,000km/h.
 
2023-01-27 10:06:16 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: steklo: Natalie Portmanteau: Shouldn't it be fairly easy to drive along that road with a Geiger counter?

Good point. I never used one before, I assume they are pretty accurate, but I don't know the range, maybe something that radioactive could emit signals hundreds of yards, a mile? Or maybe a few short yards?

Me either, so I googled it. Apparently they don't have great range, but there are other instruments that they could probably mount on a truck.


Range depends on source strength. With a powerful source like this (the article didn't say what it was, but Cesium-137 is the only source with a 30 year half-life that it makes sense to put in a gauge) they could probably find it fairly easily with a vehicle-mounted Geiger detector if it's along the side of the road somewhere. If it got stuck in vehicle tires... well, hopefully it didn't because as a health physicist that sort of thing is basically my nightmare.
 
2023-01-27 10:12:21 AM  

steklo: maybe something that radioactive could emit signals hundreds of yards, a mile? Or maybe a few short yards?


It's less about the 'strength' of the emitter and more about what type of particle it emits. Gamma particles last much longer/travel further (relatively speaking) than alpha or beta particles. Alpha are the most destructive, but can be blocked by a sheet of paper or clothing. Gamma just blows through almost every material, but does less damage on the way through (again, relatively speaking). Beta is in the middle. So it's possible. But it's also subject to the inverse-square rule, so after a certain distance, it becomes indistinguishable from background radiation. Still, I have to think a couple of helicopters with some detectors should be able to locate it, or at least narrow down the area for a search team to go in.
 
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