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johnny_vegas [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 6:07:51 AM  
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Terrible Terry Tate
 
Dafatone
2023-01-27 7:08:07 AM  
Everyone horse collared, then they banned it, and the game moved on.

I don't really know if hip drop tackles should be banned, but if they do ban them, it'll be fine.
 
ModernPrimitive01
2023-01-27 7:38:30 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: There is nothing wrong with the NFL reviewing the mechanics of tackling to make the sport safer for players.
Something may come of this.  Nothing may come of this.  Regardless, the game should be made as safe as possible.  Players should have every opportunity to complete their careers.  A 25-year old with a career-ending injury and no job prospects makes for very bad (possibly life-ending) decisions.


Agreed, but on an officiating level, how could you ban this without making tackles from behind illegal? It's just physics of grabbing someone and trying to pull them down
 
Dafatone
2023-01-27 7:50:16 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: There is nothing wrong with the NFL reviewing the mechanics of tackling to make the sport safer for players.
Something may come of this.  Nothing may come of this.  Regardless, the game should be made as safe as possible.  Players should have every opportunity to complete their careers.  A 25-year old with a career-ending injury and no job prospects makes for very bad (possibly life-ending) decisions.

Agreed, but on an officiating level, how could you ban this without making tackles from behind illegal? It's just physics of grabbing someone and trying to pull them down


It may be tricky, but there's a difference between tackling someone by throwing yourself forward and tackling someone by wrapping them up and throwing yourself backwards.
 
snowshovel
2023-01-27 8:29:49 AM  
Dafatone: ModernPrimitive01: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: There is nothing wrong with the NFL reviewing the mechanics of tackling to make the sport safer for players.
Something may come of this.  Nothing may come of this.  Regardless, the game should be made as safe as possible.  Players should have every opportunity to complete their careers.  A 25-year old with a career-ending injury and no job prospects makes for very bad (possibly life-ending) decisions.

Agreed, but on an officiating level, how could you ban this without making tackles from behind illegal? It's just physics of grabbing someone and trying to pull them down

It may be tricky, but there's a difference between tackling someone by throwing yourself forward and tackling someone by wrapping them up and throwing yourself backwards.

Your solution to safe tackling is to "carry them an extra 5 forward"? The Pollard tackle didn't have the defensive guy throwing anyone backward.

If you TRULY want safe tackling of receivers, just get rid of it all together. Mark the ball down at the point of the catch and don't allow any run after catch. That would be a lot more fair to the defenders than "you can only tackle a receiver by carrying them over the goal line."
 
The Smails Kid
2023-01-27 8:31:16 AM  
Tony Pollard injury vs. 49ers
Youtube 4uAVLKtHyk8


The play in question.

I don't know how you would officiate that at game speed in real time.
 
Muta
2023-01-27 8:33:52 AM  

Dafatone: ModernPrimitive01: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: There is nothing wrong with the NFL reviewing the mechanics of tackling to make the sport safer for players.
Something may come of this.  Nothing may come of this.  Regardless, the game should be made as safe as possible.  Players should have every opportunity to complete their careers.  A 25-year old with a career-ending injury and no job prospects makes for very bad (possibly life-ending) decisions.

Agreed, but on an officiating level, how could you ban this without making tackles from behind illegal? It's just physics of grabbing someone and trying to pull them down

It may be tricky, but there's a difference between tackling someone by throwing yourself forward and tackling someone by wrapping them up and throwing yourself backwards.


Based on the photo in the article

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It looks like the injury was more a result of the defender landing on the leg as opposed to any type of throwing.

I don't know how you enforce not landing on someone's leg.  Would it apply to linesmen rolling over someone's leg as well?
 
Dafatone
2023-01-27 9:05:02 AM  

Muta: Dafatone: ModernPrimitive01: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: There is nothing wrong with the NFL reviewing the mechanics of tackling to make the sport safer for players.
Something may come of this.  Nothing may come of this.  Regardless, the game should be made as safe as possible.  Players should have every opportunity to complete their careers.  A 25-year old with a career-ending injury and no job prospects makes for very bad (possibly life-ending) decisions.

Agreed, but on an officiating level, how could you ban this without making tackles from behind illegal? It's just physics of grabbing someone and trying to pull them down

It may be tricky, but there's a difference between tackling someone by throwing yourself forward and tackling someone by wrapping them up and throwing yourself backwards.

Based on the photo in the article

[s.hdnux.com image 850x566]

It looks like the injury was more a result of the defender landing on the leg as opposed to any type of throwing.

I don't know how you enforce not landing on someone's leg.  Would it apply to linesmen rolling over someone's leg as well?


Throwing yourself, not them. Ward (I think it was Ward) wrapped Pollard up and dropped his weight back, which swung him into Pollard. It's definitely a tackle that runs the risk of rolling up on a guy.

Deebo got hurt a month ago on a similar tackle:

https://youtu.be/6pI2dibyuI4

It's not, like, dirty, and maybe it's just unavoidable and not worth changing the rules over. But it's a high risk play, and it makes sense for the league to look into it.
 
mistahtom
2023-01-27 9:48:22 AM  
Ok, ban the tackle but don't give the refs discretion to call a penalty on this.

Have the NFL fine guys that do the banned tackle instead.
 
BlazeTrailer
2023-01-27 9:48:43 AM  

Dafatone: Muta: Dafatone: ModernPrimitive01: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: There is nothing wrong with the NFL reviewing the mechanics of tackling to make the sport safer for players.
Something may come of this.  Nothing may come of this.  Regardless, the game should be made as safe as possible.  Players should have every opportunity to complete their careers.  A 25-year old with a career-ending injury and no job prospects makes for very bad (possibly life-ending) decisions.

Agreed, but on an officiating level, how could you ban this without making tackles from behind illegal? It's just physics of grabbing someone and trying to pull them down

It may be tricky, but there's a difference between tackling someone by throwing yourself forward and tackling someone by wrapping them up and throwing yourself backwards.

Based on the photo in the article

[s.hdnux.com image 850x566]

It looks like the injury was more a result of the defender landing on the leg as opposed to any type of throwing.

I don't know how you enforce not landing on someone's leg.  Would it apply to linesmen rolling over someone's leg as well?

Throwing yourself, not them. Ward (I think it was Ward) wrapped Pollard up and dropped his weight back, which swung him into Pollard. It's definitely a tackle that runs the risk of rolling up on a guy.

Deebo got hurt a month ago on a similar tackle:

https://youtu.be/6pI2dibyuI4

It's not, like, dirty, and maybe it's just unavoidable and not worth changing the rules over. But it's a high risk play, and it makes sense for the league to look into it.


As you said, there was enough strength and force toswing Wards full body weight forwards. If Ward doesn't do this, he isn't making the tackle, he's just getting carried.
 
Flappyhead
2023-01-27 10:23:03 AM  

BlazeTrailer: As you said, there was enough strength and force toswing Wards full body weight forwards. If Ward doesn't do this, he isn't making the tackle, he's just getting carried.


I disagree.  Knee and ankle tackles are common in rugby, so I don't see how that can't translate to the NFL.  These are pro athletes, it's not like they can't learn new skills.
 
Rapmaster2000 [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 10:45:20 AM  
It's been a wuss league ever since they banned the clothesline and the flying wedge, and instituted the forward pass.
 
Dafatone
2023-01-27 10:50:57 AM  

BlazeTrailer: Dafatone: Muta: Dafatone: ModernPrimitive01: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: There is nothing wrong with the NFL reviewing the mechanics of tackling to make the sport safer for players.
Something may come of this.  Nothing may come of this.  Regardless, the game should be made as safe as possible.  Players should have every opportunity to complete their careers.  A 25-year old with a career-ending injury and no job prospects makes for very bad (possibly life-ending) decisions.

Agreed, but on an officiating level, how could you ban this without making tackles from behind illegal? It's just physics of grabbing someone and trying to pull them down

It may be tricky, but there's a difference between tackling someone by throwing yourself forward and tackling someone by wrapping them up and throwing yourself backwards.

Based on the photo in the article

[s.hdnux.com image 850x566]

It looks like the injury was more a result of the defender landing on the leg as opposed to any type of throwing.

I don't know how you enforce not landing on someone's leg.  Would it apply to linesmen rolling over someone's leg as well?

Throwing yourself, not them. Ward (I think it was Ward) wrapped Pollard up and dropped his weight back, which swung him into Pollard. It's definitely a tackle that runs the risk of rolling up on a guy.

Deebo got hurt a month ago on a similar tackle:

https://youtu.be/6pI2dibyuI4

It's not, like, dirty, and maybe it's just unavoidable and not worth changing the rules over. But it's a high risk play, and it makes sense for the league to look into it.

As you said, there was enough strength and force toswing Wards full body weight forwards. If Ward doesn't do this, he isn't making the tackle, he's just getting carried.


Maybe he should get carried until other defenders show up.

Maybe not! I don't know if this change is worth making. But the league will look into it, do their research, and likely make the wrong call, whatever that is.
 
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu
2023-01-27 11:29:53 AM  

The Smails Kid: I don't know how you would officiate that at game speed in real time.


Yeah, a horsecollar tackle is pretty easy to identify.  This isn't.  Just looks like a regular tackle.  Officiating this would be a nightmare.
 
Iamos [OhFark]
2023-01-27 11:39:49 AM  

Dafatone: Maybe not! I don't know if this change is worth making. But the league will look into it, do their research, and likely make the wrong call, whatever that is.


Aside from the issues this could cause for smaller defensive players tasked with bringing down a ball carrier with a full head of steam, the officiating is going to be a nightmare. The officials already deal poorly with roughing the quarterback calls, and that's just watching one guy on a team in a very particular situation. I worry about ref ball handing 15 yard penalties and free first downs negating defensive stops or more weird plays like what happened with the Dak non-safety.
 
Super Chronic
2023-01-27 11:48:22 AM  
Has there been a spate of injuries like Pollard's? This seems like one of those flukey things.

If you're only allowed to propel yourself forward when tacking from behind, you're awarding the offense several more yards.
 
kukukupo
2023-01-27 12:54:08 PM  
At some point it will be two hand touch similar to laser tag.  There will be sensors on the gloves to tell whether a touch happened or not and the rules / field will all be automated.

It will be sad; but it will happen unless we devolve into something of a mad-max style world.
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 1:29:51 PM  

Dafatone: Everyone horse collared, then they banned it, and the game moved on.

I don't really know if hip drop tackles should be banned, but if they do ban them, it'll be fine.


I can't wait until tackling is banned altogether and it's just a track meet. I ran track in high shcool and college. I like track. But we weren't allowed to throw the batons. This would be like that with big fat brown batons you could throw good. As long as no one ever touches the guy who throws the baton because that's not fair. Throw and then run. Man, that's would be exciting.
 
dletter
2023-01-27 1:46:32 PM  
What it feels like it is coming to is there is basically one way that players should be tackling... arms around the torso and tackling them down in a "correct" manner.

Anything else would be eligible to be flagged... the issue is, we'd get flags on easily 50% of plays right away i'm thinking.  Playing football at high speed is a "sloppy" process, and all of the best intentioned ways of doing things, it may not happen the way it "should".
 
dletter
2023-01-27 1:51:08 PM  

kukukupo: At some point it will be two hand touch similar to laser tag.  There will be sensors on the gloves to tell whether a touch happened or not and the rules / field will all be automated.

It will be sad; but it will happen unless we devolve into something of a mad-max style world.


Either that, or it will be what Atari predicted we'd have already gone to by last year:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberball

"The game is a 7-man American football using robotic avatars of different speeds, sizes, and skill sets set in the year 2022."

"In 1989, Atari Games released a sequel to the original Cyberball in both the same large dual-monitor cabinet titled Tournament Cyberball 2072 (with the tag line "50 Years of Explosive Entertainment" )"

It didn't happen by 2022... maybe by 2072?
 
Farkonaut
2023-01-27 2:21:13 PM  
I've watched a lot of football and all I can think when I see this specific tackle is: This move is a last ditch effort to stop a guy when you've missed the contact to make a proper tackle.

If they can regulate this in Aussie Rules, then our delicate NFL snowflakes in their wank armor can handle it.

.....their delicate snowflake fans? ...based on this thread?  Clearly no.
 
The Smails Kid
2023-01-27 2:40:43 PM  

Farkonaut: I've watched a lot of football and all I can think when I see this specific tackle is: This move is a last ditch effort to stop a guy when you've missed the contact to make a proper tackle.

If they can regulate this in Aussie Rules, then our delicate NFL snowflakes in their wank armor can handle it.

.....their delicate snowflake fans? ...based on this thread?  Clearly no.


Thank you for your benevolent wisdom.

Maybe apply your skills to something like world hunger next?
 
Magorn [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 4:01:36 PM  
I find it interesting that both Mahomes and Pollard suffered injuries on the same kind of tackle, but it's only Pollard's injury that is spurring the NFL to act.   Just like the Chief were told to pound sand after they proposed changing the Playoff overtime rules when Mahomes lost to Brady, but they actually did it when Josh Allen lost to Mahomes the exact same way.

And Carl Cheffers as the SB ref? just embarrassing for Godell  given this was already out there in December
 
Geotpf
2023-01-27 6:29:46 PM  
I think they should concentrate on head injuries when banning stuff.  If you break a leg, you'll live.  You might never play football again, but meh.  But scrambled noggins is a whole other level.
 
Todorojo
2023-01-27 6:49:47 PM  

Dafatone: Everyone horse collared, then they banned it, and the game moved on.

I don't really know if hip drop tackles should be banned, but if they do ban them, it'll be fine.


It doesn't matter how much baking soda or crushed up Tart n' Tinies are cut into the smack. The junkies will keep shooting it.
 
Daves I Know
2023-01-27 9:02:23 PM  

Geotpf: I think they should concentrate on head injuries when banning stuff.  If you break a leg, you'll live.  You might never play football again, but meh.  But scrambled noggins is a whole other level.


They can do both.

By banning it, players will practice tackling differently and adjust their in-game play style. It's a high speed sport, but the players are more than capable of making changes.

Remember the Saints headhunting scandal? Defensive players love to hit and love to hurt. Were I wanting to play dirty and avoid trouble, hip drop tackles would be a go-to strategy.
 
zunkus
2023-01-28 10:47:07 AM  
It is literally just a normal, run-of-the-mill tackle. Not everything needs to be looked into. It sucks the guy got hurt but that's part of the game for better or worse.
 
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