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(Tom's Hardware)   AMD: please buy our older GPUs, we have lots of them. Also, they're are a far better value than our new ones by cost per frames per second   (tomshardware.com) divider line
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2023-01-26 10:17:39 PM  
Eh, what does it LOOK like. FPS is so 1998.
 
2023-01-26 10:27:10 PM  
You would prefer having NVidia say "F you, PAY ME!" or Intel saying "It almost works, mostly"?
 
2023-01-26 11:39:27 PM  
too bad Russia did all that inavading, and the Norks are such assholes
 
2023-01-26 11:43:50 PM  
Funny since they haven't released an updated Adrenaline for the 6000 series in almost 3 months.

No Love For Radeon RX 6000 GPUs? AMD Releases RX 7000-Exclusive Radeon Software 23.1.2 Drivers (wccftech.com)
 
2023-01-27 7:00:45 AM  

cretinbob: Eh, what does it LOOK like. FPS is so 1998.


Unless you're turning DLSS and FSR off it's going to look bad. It's only function is when you are running low end hardware like the new phoenix point APUs which are supposedly getting VERY close to a 3050 mobile GPU.
 
2023-01-27 7:28:48 AM  
I have 3 144Hz 4K monitors. The 6800xt couldn't push them in any meaningful way. It didn't even come close to 60fps.

The 4090 I replaced it with does tho.
 
2023-01-27 8:21:22 AM  
When should I upgrade my old 1080tis
 
2023-01-27 8:25:07 AM  
Why does it matter if the framerate is higher than your eye can physically notice?
 
2023-01-27 8:48:21 AM  

question_dj: I have 3 144Hz 4K monitors. The 6800xt couldn't push them in any meaningful way. It didn't even come close to 60fps.

The 4090 I replaced it with does tho.


Just one?
 
2023-01-27 8:53:26 AM  

Marcos P: When should I upgrade my old 1080tis


I'd suggest either getting one of the cards that doesn't have the flammable power connector that has to be plugged in juuuust right so it don't catch fire. Or wait till they replace that completely. I went from a 1080 to an AMD 6700xt and I've been happy.
 
2023-01-27 8:58:49 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: cretinbob: Eh, what does it LOOK like. FPS is so 1998.

Unless you're turning DLSS and FSR off it's going to look bad. It's only function is when you are running low end hardware like the new phoenix point APUs which are supposedly getting VERY close to a 3050 mobile G


what? DLSS and FSR have to be on to for these things to look good? I've only seen that as an option.
Full disclosure, I run a Quadro 4000 RTX because I do video editing. The Quadro was the first to have RTX. Unlike gaming cards, it draws EVERY SINGLE PIXEL. Gaming cards drop pixels and sacrifice quality for extra frames. They are crippled basically.
FPS isn't the benchmark it once was has basically been a layperson's benchmark for years. It began as a brag. "I got 28 FPS in Quake" meant you got your overclock to work or you were able to afford a faster CPU or early GPU. Once the average system broke 30 FPS, it began to lose meaning , and over 60 has very little effect and again, FPS is just a brag.
Passmark is an actual benchmark, Tom probably still uses it. It goes through all of the functions and instruction sets available and generates a score. Passmark has been compiling these and ranking them since shortly after time began. They then take that score, do some more math and come up with a value score.
Well, what does that even mean?
It means if I am poor, on a budget, what card give me the best performance PER DOLLAR SPENT as opposed to the best card. Don't conflate those two.

And the video card of all video cards that is the best value based on math and science and not opinion is the Radeon RX 5700 XT . You'll have to sort the list manually and don't get too excited, the #2 card is the R9 380. I'd love to continue discussing display history, the S3 was Savage, especially because today's have so many other functions besides drawing pixels because CPUs hare hitting brick walls.

At the end of the day, it's about target audience and not everyone needs the top shelf GPU or understand that they need. FPS is marketing. I'd love a Quadro 8000 RTX, and now I see a new GV 10 exists as of last week which has a slightly higher score, but I can't pay $5000 for a single video card yet.

Oh yeah, my Quadro which everyone thinks is terrible because it's not a gaming card, games in 4k above 60 fps. That's well above persistence and the limiting factor in gaming these days is internet latency and lag.
But people should keep believing the ads instead of researching and understanding. Take my word for it, right?

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//an essay a day does something something
///it's a machine. We are interacting with machines, not people
 
2023-01-27 9:03:29 AM  
and I have need for the Quadro and wouldn't recommend it for gaming, but the prices was equivalent at the time. It used to be the Quadro would be the $1000 card and the top end gaming card would be $500. I'm glad I went with it because there is a huge difference in the quality of my finished product compared to a card that doesn't draw every single pixel. 20 years ago, no way. Then FPS would have been an issue.

I should put down the pipe.
Pipe is life.
 
2023-01-27 11:25:21 AM  

Nimbull: Marcos P: When should I upgrade my old 1080tis

I'd suggest either getting one of the cards that doesn't have the flammable power connector that has to be plugged in juuuust right so it don't catch fire. Or wait till they replace that completely. I went from a 1080 to an AMD 6700xt and I've been happy.


8 pins will flame up if not plugged in fully as well.
 
2023-01-27 11:50:13 AM  

cretinbob: At the end of the day, it's about target audience and not everyone needs the top shelf GPU or understand that they need.


I would buy based upon your desired framerate, resolution, interest in raytracing, and how well the GPU performs running Unreal Engine 5. Don't make decisions based upon performance using older engines like Frostbite.
 
2023-01-27 1:03:42 PM  

envirovore: Nimbull: Marcos P: When should I upgrade my old 1080tis

I'd suggest either getting one of the cards that doesn't have the flammable power connector that has to be plugged in juuuust right so it don't catch fire. Or wait till they replace that completely. I went from a 1080 to an AMD 6700xt and I've been happy.

8 pins will flame up if not plugged in fully as well.


Never heard of that. There simply isn't enough current running through the three hot wires to cause issues when poorly connected. Just 50 watts at 12VDC.

The 12VHPWR connector has six hot wires delivering up to 100 watts each at 12VDC - twice the power. The new connector may have either 16 or 18ga copper wiring while the old molex 8-pin always uses 16ga.
 
2023-01-27 1:09:58 PM  

madgonad: envirovore: Nimbull: Marcos P: When should I upgrade my old 1080tis

I'd suggest either getting one of the cards that doesn't have the flammable power connector that has to be plugged in juuuust right so it don't catch fire. Or wait till they replace that completely. I went from a 1080 to an AMD 6700xt and I've been happy.

8 pins will flame up if not plugged in fully as well.

Never heard of that. There simply isn't enough current running through the three hot wires to cause issues when poorly connected. Just 50 watts at 12VDC.

The 12VHPWR connector has six hot wires delivering up to 100 watts each at 12VDC - twice the power. The new connector may have either 16 or 18ga copper wiring while the old molex 8-pin always uses 16ga.


https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/psu-8pin-connector-heat-up-and-melted.2664474/
https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/m503zo/gpu_8pin_melted_inside_gpu_is_there_an_easy_way/

should i post more?

any plug has potential to melt if not socketed fully, especially when they end up bending at an angle as GPU cables do.
 
2023-01-27 1:18:49 PM  
 
2023-01-27 1:24:28 PM  

envirovore: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1309174-rx295x2-8-pin-power-melted/


I have questions about those photos. The melted plugs are the grounds.
 
2023-01-27 1:25:46 PM  

madgonad: envirovore: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1309174-rx295x2-8-pin-power-melted/

I have questions about those photos. The melted plugs are the grounds.


Mine is not to question why.
You said you never heard of it, i'm just providing the proof it does happen.
 
2023-01-27 1:29:21 PM  

madgonad: envirovore: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1309174-rx295x2-8-pin-power-melted/

I have questions about those photos. The melted plugs are the grounds.


Sorry for double quote...

Though some of the results I've found are from people mixing PSU cables cross brand, and PSU's may not be pinned out the same between vendors.

That all said, indeed, it is a bit more difficult to get an 8 pin to fail.
and fwiw the reports of the 12 pins on 4000 series failing was ~.01% of all units sold at that time, and indeed down to users not securing them fully (which really is on pci-sig for designing a plug that doesn't give ample feedback to indicate when it's properly seated)
 
2023-01-27 1:32:35 PM  

cretinbob: Night Train to Wakanda: cretinbob: Eh, what does it LOOK like. FPS is so 1998.

Unless you're turning DLSS and FSR off it's going to look bad. It's only function is when you are running low end hardware like the new phoenix point APUs which are supposedly getting VERY close to a 3050 mobile G

what? DLSS and FSR have to be on to for these things to look good? I've only seen that as an option.
Full disclosure, I run a Quadro 4000 RTX because I do video editing. The Quadro was the first to have RTX. Unlike gaming cards, it draws EVERY SINGLE PIXEL. Gaming cards drop pixels and sacrifice quality for extra frames. They are crippled basically.
FPS isn't the benchmark it once was has basically been a layperson's benchmark for years. It began as a brag. "I got 28 FPS in Quake" meant you got your overclock to work or you were able to afford a faster CPU or early GPU. Once the average system broke 30 FPS, it began to lose meaning , and over 60 has very little effect and again, FPS is just a brag.
Passmark is an actual benchmark, Tom probably still uses it. It goes through all of the functions and instruction sets available and generates a score. Passmark has been compiling these and ranking them since shortly after time began. They then take that score, do some more math and come up with a value score.
Well, what does that even mean?
It means if I am poor, on a budget, what card give me the best performance PER DOLLAR SPENT as opposed to the best card. Don't conflate those two.

And the video card of all video cards that is the best value based on math and science and not opinion is the Radeon RX 5700 XT . You'll have to sort the list manually and don't get too excited, the #2 card is the R9 380. I'd love to continue discussing display history, the S3 was Savage, especially because today's have so many other functions besides drawing pixels because CPUs hare hitting brick walls.

At the end of the day, it's about target audience and not everyone needs the top shelf GPU or u ...


Very much all of this. If you have a system that can handle 4k60 with a comfortable margin of headroom, that system (~$1300 or so) is functionally equivalent to a system that is north of $3-4k.

120 or 144 hz refresh rate monitors are nice, but it is impossible to run nearly any game (new to new-ish games anyway) at that frame rate at 4k, and even if you could, almost all net code for online games is based around a 60 hz tickrate.

Your graphics adapter needs to be exactly 2x as powerful to make the jump from 4k60 to 4k120 (and thus is ~3x $$$), your processor needs to be 2x as powerful, you will generate a stupid amount of heat and consume a ton of energy... all for no noticeable differences in any games whatsoever besides (maybe?) a single player FPS.
 
2023-01-27 3:19:51 PM  

question_dj: I have 3 144Hz 4K monitors. The 6800xt couldn't push them in any meaningful way. It didn't even come close to 60fps.

The 4090 I replaced it with does tho.


Congratulations on your achievement.
 
2023-01-27 3:25:10 PM  

mr0x: question_dj: I have 3 144Hz 4K monitors. The 6800xt couldn't push them in any meaningful way. It didn't even come close to 60fps.

The 4090 I replaced it with does tho.

Congratulations on your achievement.


More like congratulations on your wallet.
 
2023-01-27 3:30:41 PM  

madgonad: mr0x: question_dj: I have 3 144Hz 4K monitors. The 6800xt couldn't push them in any meaningful way. It didn't even come close to 60fps.

The 4090 I replaced it with does tho.

Congratulations on your achievement.

More like congratulations on your wallet.


Yes, 4090 is a crowning achievement. You can do things like --- run 3 4k monitors at 144Hz, How impressive is that? Running 3 4k monitors at 4k. I mean, wow. Right, 3 4k monitors at 144Hz. Only 4090 can do that and that is impressive achievement.
 
2023-01-27 3:44:56 PM  

cretinbob: Radeon RX 5700 XT


Yeah, but then I'd have to deal with ATI drivers... ugh.
 
2023-01-27 3:48:58 PM  

mr0x: madgonad: mr0x: question_dj: I have 3 144Hz 4K monitors. The 6800xt couldn't push them in any meaningful way. It didn't even come close to 60fps.

The 4090 I replaced it with does tho.

Congratulations on your achievement.

More like congratulations on your wallet.

Yes, 4090 is a crowning achievement. You can do things like --- run 3 4k monitors at 144Hz, How impressive is that? Running 3 4k monitors at 4k. I mean, wow. Right, 3 4k monitors at 144Hz. Only 4090 can do that and that is impressive achievement.


Well, running monitors with apps on the desktop is no big deal. Running a game at 11520x2160 is a slightly different thing.

/I'm looking at four monitors right now
// one 3440x1440, three 1920x1080
///one with PowerBI, one with Snowflake, one with Dataiku, and the last with Outlook/Webex
////all on a five year old work laptop
 
2023-01-27 5:01:15 PM  

envirovore: madgonad: envirovore: Nimbull: Marcos P: When should I upgrade my old 1080tis

I'd suggest either getting one of the cards that doesn't have the flammable power connector that has to be plugged in juuuust right so it don't catch fire. Or wait till they replace that completely. I went from a 1080 to an AMD 6700xt and I've been happy.

8 pins will flame up if not plugged in fully as well.

Never heard of that. There simply isn't enough current running through the three hot wires to cause issues when poorly connected. Just 50 watts at 12VDC.

The 12VHPWR connector has six hot wires delivering up to 100 watts each at 12VDC - twice the power. The new connector may have either 16 or 18ga copper wiring while the old molex 8-pin always uses 16ga.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/psu-8pin-connector-heat-up-and-melted.2664474/
https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/m503zo/gpu_8pin_melted_inside_gpu_is_there_an_easy_way/

should i post more?

any plug has potential to melt if not socketed fully, especially when they end up bending at an angle as GPU cables do.


All the cables that melt, are melting because of user error.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=661s&ab_channel=GamersNexus
 
2023-01-27 5:02:50 PM  

mr0x: madgonad: mr0x: question_dj: I have 3 144Hz 4K monitors. The 6800xt couldn't push them in any meaningful way. It didn't even come close to 60fps.

The 4090 I replaced it with does tho.

Congratulations on your achievement.

More like congratulations on your wallet.

Yes, 4090 is a crowning achievement. You can do things like --- run 3 4k monitors at 144Hz, How impressive is that? Running 3 4k monitors at 4k. I mean, wow. Right, 3 4k monitors at 144Hz. Only 4090 can do that and that is impressive achievement.


Yeah, I'm running racing sims at 11520x2160. The 4090 gets about 65fps with everything on ultra. The monitors are cable of more than twice that.
 
2023-01-27 5:12:35 PM  

question_dj: mr0x: madgonad: mr0x: question_dj: I have 3 144Hz 4K monitors. The 6800xt couldn't push them in any meaningful way. It didn't even come close to 60fps.

The 4090 I replaced it with does tho.

Congratulations on your achievement.

More like congratulations on your wallet.

Yes, 4090 is a crowning achievement. You can do things like --- run 3 4k monitors at 144Hz, How impressive is that? Running 3 4k monitors at 4k. I mean, wow. Right, 3 4k monitors at 144Hz. Only 4090 can do that and that is impressive achievement.

Yeah, I'm running racing sims at 11520x2160. The 4090 gets about 65fps with everything on ultra. The monitors are cable of more than twice that.


Is that with DLSS? 24MP is a lot of pixels.
 
2023-01-27 6:45:40 PM  

madgonad: question_dj: mr0x: madgonad: mr0x: question_dj: I have 3 144Hz 4K monitors. The 6800xt couldn't push them in any meaningful way. It didn't even come close to 60fps.

The 4090 I replaced it with does tho.

Congratulations on your achievement.

More like congratulations on your wallet.

Yes, 4090 is a crowning achievement. You can do things like --- run 3 4k monitors at 144Hz, How impressive is that? Running 3 4k monitors at 4k. I mean, wow. Right, 3 4k monitors at 144Hz. Only 4090 can do that and that is impressive achievement.

Yeah, I'm running racing sims at 11520x2160. The 4090 gets about 65fps with everything on ultra. The monitors are cable of more than twice that.

Is that with DLSS? 24MP is a lot of pixels.


That's at native 4k. If I turn on dlss quality, I can put everything on ultra and get about 75.

It looks remarkably better than the 6800 did.
 
2023-01-28 12:30:27 AM  
Alllrighty, which of your GPUs is priced at $2? Cause that's all i have and will have for the forseeable future.
 
2023-01-28 3:51:59 PM  

question_dj: That's at native 4k. If I turn on dlss quality, I can put everything on ultra and get about 75.

It looks remarkably better than the 6800 did.


I should  hope that a $2,000 card that came out a month or two ago can outperform a $550 card that is over two years old.
 
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