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(Gizmodo)   8 episodes show why DS9 Season 1 is second only to TOS for best initial season for legacy Trek series. Not a typo   (gizmodo.com) divider line
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IrishinTexas [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 9:52:34 PM  
'Duet' is a sufficient enough reason on its own.
 
Shadow Blasko [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 9:54:02 PM  
It was.

Until Strange New Worlds.
 
Shadow Blasko [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 9:59:20 PM  

Shadow Blasko: It was.

Until Strange New Worlds.


Or does SNW not count as legacy Trek?

If not, then I agree.
 
Bob_Laublaw [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 10:15:03 PM  
DS9 remains my favourite.
I remain defiant.
 
Joe USer [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 11:13:56 PM  
And how could we forget "Move Along Home"

No seriously, how can we forget it, is there a pill I can take? Surgery? Use the mind probe?

Hmm... On second thought, no, not the mind probe.
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 5:09:46 AM  
"Legacy"?
 
Monkeyfark Ridiculous
2023-01-27 5:22:00 AM  
I prefer TNG, but either way this is just a very low bar.
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 5:25:49 AM  
DS9 leaving the BBC America lineup ruined my mornings. Episodes are expiring from my YouTube TV DVR/vod.

Looks like I have to break out my lower quality pirated versions.

One of my fondest memories is watching DS9 episode "The Visitor" with my racist redneck neighbor in silence, quietly wiping away tears. Our love of Trek united us.
 
Decorus
2023-01-27 5:29:20 AM  
Aren't there 23 episodes in the first season? How would having 9 good episodes make the season acceptable watching?
 
Ragin' Asian [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-27 5:48:18 AM  
Does Sisko have hair? If so, I don't care.
 
TappingTheVein
2023-01-27 6:27:49 AM  
Recommended for fans of DS9. You also get to see the original writers envision what a season 8 would look like.

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bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 6:32:42 AM  

TappingTheVein: You also get to see the original writers envision what a season 8 would look like.


Season 5 of Babylon 5?
 
spiralscratch
2023-01-27 6:34:47 AM  

TappingTheVein: Recommended for fans of DS9. You also get to see the original writers envision what a season 8 would look like.

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Except their ideas for a "Season 8" were absolutely horrible.

The rest of the doc is worth it, though.
 
NathanAllen
2023-01-27 7:15:46 AM  
And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

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houstondragon
2023-01-27 8:18:42 AM  

IrishinTexas: 'Duet' is a sufficient enough reason on its own.


This.

There are a few fluff filler episodes, but Season 1 went hard out of the gate.

Plus the Season 2 opening arc with the Circle was awesome
 
Norfolking Chance
2023-01-27 8:22:42 AM  

Decorus: Aren't there 23 episodes in the first season? How would having 9 good episodes make the season acceptable watching?


Nine good to great episodes out of twenty three is a staggeringly good hit ratio for American TV, never mind a franchise that is famous for taking a couple of seasons to find its feet.

/At its best B5 was better
//At its worse B5 was worse
///Both DS9 and B5 are very good
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 9:00:03 AM  

Decorus: Aren't there 23 episodes in the first season? How would having 9 good episodes make the season acceptable watching?


It's a lot better ratio than the first season of TNG, Voyager, or Enterprise.
 
tom baker's scarf
2023-01-27 9:34:09 AM  

NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

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i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.
 
frestcrallen [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 9:38:31 AM  
csb

Not long after "Duet" originally aired, the actor who played the Cardassian, Harris Yulin, came into the bookstore where I was working at the time.  I said, "Mr. Yulin?" and he turned, looking slightly surprised at being recognized.  "Saw you in a Deep Space Nine episode recently," I said.  He smiled and answered, "That was a lot of fun."

/csb
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 9:51:16 AM  

tom baker's scarf: NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

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i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.


Little Green Men is fun.

TNG had a couple good ones like Cause and Effect.
 
Joe USer [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 10:38:01 AM  

tom baker's scarf: NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

[Fark user image 400x389]

i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.


Wait... You avoid time travel stories?
 
BullBearMS
2023-01-27 10:45:48 AM  
DS9 became my favorite Trek show, but not because of season one.

They really had too many stories based on Bajoran religious intrigue early in the show.
 
Aezetyr
2023-01-27 10:50:20 AM  

bostonguy: "Legacy"?


Legacy = not current.

Shadow Blasko: It was.

Until Strange New Worlds.


Yeah - that's why I used "legacy" to differentiate classic series from the current ones.
 
Joe USer [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-27 10:51:48 AM  

TappingTheVein: Recommended for fans of DS9. You also get to see the original writers envision what a season 8 would look like.

[Fark user image image 425x630]


I'm really glad I saw that in the theater, it was a lot of fun.
 
tom baker's scarf
2023-01-27 11:02:47 AM  

Joe USer: tom baker's scarf: NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

[Fark user image 400x389]

i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.

Wait... You avoid time travel stories?


absolutely.  they are just stupid bottle episodes that reference someone/sometime famous because it is the only part of the story that is remotely close to interesting and by remotely close i mean getting on a plane to fly 20 hours to climb a mountain, so if the clouds part for a moment you can maybe get a glimpse of "interesting" on the distant horizon, maybe.

also throw in all the "darkest timeline" episodes.  the only good parts of those are Kira's outfits and they only go so far.
 
Shadow Blasko [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 11:04:30 AM  

Aezetyr: bostonguy: "Legacy"?

Legacy = not current.

Shadow Blasko: It was.

Until Strange New Worlds.

Yeah - that's why I used "legacy" to differentiate classic series from the current ones.


Yeah, that's why I said that in the very next comment. But thanks for correcting me if it made you feel better
 
Kris_Romm
2023-01-27 11:15:07 AM  
Sure.  It's true.

Not realy a controversial topic for an article.
 
mjbok
2023-01-27 11:34:09 AM  
TOS was not a good show.  You have to contextualize it by when it was made, etc, but the number of good to great episodes over the entire run is probably under a dozen.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-01-27 12:41:04 PM  

mjbok: TOS was not a good show.  You have to contextualize it by when it was made, etc, but the number of good to great episodes over the entire run is probably under a dozen.


Yes it was a good show. It had in three seasons as many outstanding episodes as TNG and DS9 did in seven. There were only a handful of bad TOS episodes.
 
guinsu
2023-01-27 1:06:54 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: DS9 leaving the BBC America lineup ruined my mornings. Episodes are expiring from my YouTube TV DVR/vod.

Looks like I have to break out my lower quality pirated versions.

One of my fondest memories is watching DS9 episode "The Visitor" with my racist redneck neighbor in silence, quietly wiping away tears. Our love of Trek united us.


Literally the only stark trek episode to make me cry.
 
guinsu
2023-01-27 1:10:20 PM  

tom baker's scarf: NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

[Fark user image 400x389]

i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.


I must be one of the few DS9 fans that liked him. The fact that the actor knew the Rat Pack crowd and put that into the role helped. The Nog episode was great.

Has Lower Decks done any sort of tribute to the character/actor yet (Nog I mean, not the lounge singer)? Trek tends to be classy like that.
 
guinsu
2023-01-27 1:11:10 PM  

Joe USer: tom baker's scarf: NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

[Fark user image 400x389]

i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.

Wait... You avoid time travel stories?


So no Bell riots?
 
PvtStash
2023-01-27 1:14:47 PM  
i did find the first season was ok.
but in real short order it was basally a soap opera of personal relationship drama, turned into a  war drama.

yeah all that time i can get plenty of those kinds of stories in lots of places. What you can't find so readily is a story of hope about a better future of humanity.


And while The Story line for Cisco was great, it was still not a show explicitly about a better future but about a darker chittier one that desperately needs better people, you know just like us today.

So yeah few of the post TNG treks do it for me, what with all the dark gritty or action pew pew lean, that can already be had anywhere in plenty of decent forms for what that is.
Meanwhile i feel the gap of, and what fiction shows us being better to maybe copy instead o us being the same chit we been for all of our own recorded history?

The Drum head is a great TNG episode as it shows us the reality is, a system made of people still requires vigilance, as it is subject to human emotional whims and weaknesses. But a culture that faces up to that reality of itself honestly does a lot better when coping with those sorts of forever problems inherent to our very nature, but ones w can deal with if we try.
 
Aezetyr
2023-01-27 1:15:23 PM  

guinsu: tom baker's scarf: NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

[Fark user image 400x389]

i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.

I must be one of the few DS9 fans that liked him. The fact that the actor knew the Rat Pack crowd and put that into the role helped. The Nog episode was great.

Has Lower Decks done any sort of tribute to the character/actor yet (Nog I mean, not the lounge singer)? Trek tends to be classy like that.


LD has not but Discovery did in the 3rd season with the U.S.S. Nog (Eisenberg class) appearing at Starfleet HQ.
 
mjbok
2023-01-27 1:23:45 PM  

madgonad: Yes it was a good show. It had in three seasons as many outstanding episodes as TNG and DS9 did in seven. There were only a handful of bad TOS episodes.


I strongly disagree.  City on the Edge of Forever is usually listed as the pinnacle of TOS, right?  That doesn't compare to Measure of a Man, The Inner Light, Yesterday's Enterprise, Best of Both Worlds, Relics, Chain of Command, etc, etc...

If you compare the top ten TOS episodes to the top 10 TNG episodes and rank order them I think TNG is going to be more of the top and it won't be close.

Just my opinion, but TOS did have better movies.
 
Kris_Romm
2023-01-27 1:26:22 PM  

mjbok: TOS was not a good show.  You have to contextualize it by when it was made, etc, but the number of good to great episodes over the entire run is probably under a dozen.


It was good, but it arguably wasn't science fiction.  The episodes were by and large little morality plays.  The "science" was invented on the fly to serve that, and a lot was crafted later on.  I'd class it as fantasy, with pseudoscience explanations.  Viewing it that way, it was good.  Godlike figures creating stuff out of thin air, people who are half black and half white, creatures like Tribbles which break a lot of laws of nature, etc. all work as fantasy constructs.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-01-27 1:34:32 PM  

mjbok: madgonad: Yes it was a good show. It had in three seasons as many outstanding episodes as TNG and DS9 did in seven. There were only a handful of bad TOS episodes.

I strongly disagree.  City on the Edge of Forever is usually listed as the pinnacle of TOS, right?  That doesn't compare to Measure of a Man, The Inner Light, Yesterday's Enterprise, Best of Both Worlds, Relics, Chain of Command, etc, etc...

If you compare the top ten TOS episodes to the top 10 TNG episodes and rank order them I think TNG is going to be more of the top and it won't be close.

Just my opinion, but TOS did have better movies.


Controversial opinion of mine is that Best of Both Worlds wasn't really all that good. Too much Deus Ex Machina at the end. Relics was just fan-service. The only reason Inner Light worked so well is because it leverages the captain that we have known so well (125 episodes in). It wouldn't work nearly as well in the first season. Measure of a Man is legit one of the best ST episodes ever (and was in the second season of TNG).

TOS only had two good movies while TNG almost had one.
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 1:42:53 PM  

madgonad: mjbok: madgonad: Yes it was a good show. It had in three seasons as many outstanding episodes as TNG and DS9 did in seven. There were only a handful of bad TOS episodes.

I strongly disagree.  City on the Edge of Forever is usually listed as the pinnacle of TOS, right?  That doesn't compare to Measure of a Man, The Inner Light, Yesterday's Enterprise, Best of Both Worlds, Relics, Chain of Command, etc, etc...

If you compare the top ten TOS episodes to the top 10 TNG episodes and rank order them I think TNG is going to be more of the top and it won't be close.

Just my opinion, but TOS did have better movies.

Controversial opinion of mine is that Best of Both Worlds wasn't really all that good. Too much Deus Ex Machina at the end. Relics was just fan-service. The only reason Inner Light worked so well is because it leverages the captain that we have known so well (125 episodes in). It wouldn't work nearly as well in the first season. Measure of a Man is legit one of the best ST episodes ever (and was in the second season of TNG).

TOS only had two good movies while TNG almost had one.


Best of Both Worlds Part I is amazing.  Part II is just incredibly weak by comparison and it's obvious they had no resolution in mind when writing the first part (yeah, I know it was because Patrick Stewart wasn't guaranteed to return).

TOS movies had Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, and Undiscovered Country which were all great.  Even Search for Spock is a lot better than it gets credit for.  Plus, it had a great running continuity with movies 2-3-4.
 
Lain the Wary
2023-01-27 1:51:13 PM  
Duet is the best episode of all Trek, hands down. Even In the Pale Moonlight can't hold a candle to it. Just a perfect bottle episode.
 
mjbok
2023-01-27 1:51:57 PM  

madgonad: Controversial opinion of mine is that Best of Both Worlds wasn't really all that good. Too much Deus Ex Machina at the end. Relics was just fan-service. The only reason Inner Light worked so well is because it leverages the captain that we have known so well (125 episodes in). It wouldn't work nearly as well in the first season. Measure of a Man is legit one of the best ST episodes ever (and was in the second season of TNG).

TOS only had two good movies while TNG almost had one.


BoBW has 1.5 good episodes in it and .5 not so good.  The first half is solid, the second half not so much.  Relics is more about the character study than the story.  It shows Doohan actually could act, but was a good telling of how you deal when life (and tech) pass you by.  It was a rare instance where the guest star actually carried most of the weight for an episode and the regulars were pushed into the background. 

Regarding the movies I don't mind any of TNG movies, though the do get bad towards the end (not nearly the terrible level of Picard, though).  TOS movies are an interesting group.  You have the bloated first one, a trilogy (2-4), the vanity piece, and the send off.  2, 3, 4, and 6 are all good in their own ways in my opinion.
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-27 1:55:02 PM  

PvtStash: it was still not a show explicitly about a better future but about a darker chittier one that desperately needs better people


*cough* Babylon 5 *cough*
 
AntonChigger
2023-01-27 2:04:34 PM  

IrishinTexas: 'Duet' is a sufficient enough reason on its own.


Came here for this, leaving extra satisfied that it was the Boobies.
 
meanmutton
2023-01-27 2:38:01 PM  

Decorus: Aren't there 23 episodes in the first season? How would having 9 good episodes make the season acceptable watching?


That's about 5 more than any of the others had.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-01-27 2:38:26 PM  

mjbok: oBW has 1.5 good episodes in it and .5 not so good.  The first half is solid, the second half not so much.  Relics is more about the character study than the story.  It shows Doohan actually could act, but was a good telling of how you deal when life (and tech) pass you by.  It was a rare instance where the guest star actually carried most of the weight for an episode and the regulars were pushed into the background. 

Regarding the movies I don't mind any of TNG movies, though the do get bad towards the end (not nearly the terrible level of Picard, though).  TOS movies are an interesting group.  You have the bloated first one, a trilogy (2-4), the vanity piece, and the send off.  2, 3, 4, and 6 are all good in their own ways in my opinion.


BoBW brought up great issues, why Riker - or any of the supporting cast really - have dead-ended their careers. They brought it up and did fark-all with the idea. Relics was interesting to watch once, but the cursory introduction of a Dyson Sphere only to be forgotten afterward it flipping terrible.

I used to like STIV, but it depended too much on fish-out-of-water gags and doublespeak around them being out of time. What held it all together was pretty dumb (uber ship coming to talk to whales, oh please).  Two and six were really the only good ones. Generations, insurrection, and Nemesis were deeply terrible. Parts of First Contact were good, but others grate on me.

Of the lens-flare series I only liked Beyond, but nobody saw that one.
 
tom baker's scarf
2023-01-27 2:42:29 PM  

guinsu: Joe USer: tom baker's scarf: NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

[Fark user image 400x389]

i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.

Wait... You avoid time travel stories?

So no Bell riots?


nope not after the first watch.  being captain of a space station on the edge of an intergalactic rift and commander of an intergalactic space ship is enough.  i don't also need him to be the hero of a "historical" event that never happened.
 
guinsu
2023-01-27 2:44:32 PM  

tom baker's scarf: guinsu: Joe USer: tom baker's scarf: NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

[Fark user image 400x389]

i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.

Wait... You avoid time travel stories?

So no Bell riots?

nope not after the first watch.  being captain of a space station on the edge of an intergalactic rift and commander of an intergalactic space ship is enough.  i don't also need him to be the hero of a "historical" event that never happened.


...not yet anyway.
 
gonegirl
2023-01-27 2:44:45 PM  
I LOVE DS9, though it does have its weak spots.

On my last rewatch, I was honestly amazed at how many episode plots would have been solved immediately if the station just had a halfway-decent security system. You had security cameras in the 90s, guys!

I've retconned this by personally pretending that all the Bajorans were so mad about the Cardassian occupation and its surveillance culture that they asked for no systems to be present on the station, and the Federation/Odo said, "Yeah, okay, we'll respect your request."

But I really want them to actually have said it.
 
tom baker's scarf
2023-01-27 3:05:34 PM  

guinsu: tom baker's scarf: NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

[Fark user image 400x389]

i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.

I must be one of the few DS9 fans that liked him. The fact that the actor knew the Rat Pack crowd and put that into the role helped. The Nog episode was great.

Has Lower Decks done any sort of tribute to the character/actor yet (Nog I mean, not the lounge singer)? Trek tends to be classy like that.


for me the more he tried to ape the Rat Pack the more i hated the character.  I've never understood why anyone was ever infatuated with the Rat Pack, especially Sinatra.  the only interesting thing they did with that character is when he became semi-sentient and asked to not be deactivated but they already did that exact story in TNG with Professor Moriarty and then they had the good sense to close the books on it and move on.

Also it always seemed to me that spending time on the Vic Fountaine is just a waste.  he can't do anything outside the holodeck so he'll never be useful for anything other than bottle episodes.  Think of what we would have missed if Garrick was just a holodeck tailor that took measurements and feed the data into a replicator.   if they wanted a lounge as a set piece set one up on the station promenade; it's just as easy as building a holodeck set and you might end up with a new character that can, you know, do stuff.
 
tom baker's scarf
2023-01-27 3:07:27 PM  

guinsu: tom baker's scarf: guinsu: Joe USer: tom baker's scarf: NathanAllen: And one reason why many episodes are unwatchable.

[Fark user image 400x389]

i'm a ST fan. not a fanboy or obsessed but i've watched every episode.  that said if i ever go back and start watching one of the series again i always skip anything with time travel or the holodeck as the main story,.  the one exception is when Nog comes back to DS9 with his cane and bum leg.  i hate the lounge singer though.

Wait... You avoid time travel stories?

So no Bell riots?

nope not after the first watch.  being captain of a space station on the edge of an intergalactic rift and commander of an intergalactic space ship is enough.  i don't also need him to be the hero of a "historical" event that never happened.

...not yet anyway.


IIRC that is described in the story as happening in 2024 (i think).  i think it's a safe bet we aren't going to get there from here.
 
davypi
2023-01-27 3:23:17 PM  
Kris_Romm:  It was good, but it arguably wasn't science fiction.  The episodes were by and large little morality plays.

I'm not following how it being a morality play disqualifies it as being science fiction.  A lot of Twilight Zone and Outer Limits episodes were also morality plays, but nobody has ever said that they weren't really science fiction shows.  The issue here is that science fiction is generally defined as exploring how changes in science and technology will impact mankind.  Such intellectual ventures are bound to lead to moral quandaries and the idea in and of itself is nearly akin to philosophy.

The rest of your argument is not wholly wrong, but still certainly debatable.  For example, Bread and Circuses could be viewed as fantasy, but the idea of saying "what if Rome had never fallen, how would the world look today?" is, I think, a valid science fiction concept.  Arguably airing bloodsport on TV to entertain the masses is the same plot as The Hunger Games and that is classified as science fiction more than fantasy.  I would say TOS is arguably a mix of both sci-fi and fantasy.
 
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