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Dusk-You-n-Me [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 5:29:58 PM  
The GOP doesn't even need to be in power to screw over the ^white working class who continuously votes for them
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 7:20:31 PM  
Misery loves tyranny?
 
realmolo
2023-01-26 8:16:00 PM  
The conservative movement is pulling out all the stops in the past couple of years. They are "going for it". And "it" is, essentially, feudalism.

They know that their power has peaked, so this is their last blast. It might even succeed. In which case, we're looking at another world-wide Great Depression and probably another civil war in the United States.
 
Bungles
2023-01-26 8:17:42 PM  
The minimum wage now is $10.10 per hour, less for tipped workers.

As anyone outside the US will say every time... US tipping culture is so weird. In what other industry are the customers supposed to pay the wages of employees directly, and not the employer via the cost of the product?
 
Sawdust and Mildew [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 8:23:52 PM  
Michigan court ruling halts $13.03 minimum wage increase

They got greedy with those three cents.
 
Subtonic
2023-01-26 8:24:54 PM  

Bungles: The minimum wage now is $10.10 per hour, less for tipped workers.

As anyone outside the US will say every time... US tipping culture is so weird. In what other industry are the customers supposed to pay the wages of employees directly, and not the employer via the cost of the product?


I tip at least 50% at McDonald's. I don't know why some people are so cheap. Hell, I go over 30 at the supermarket checkout.
 
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2023-01-26 8:28:22 PM  
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FigPucker [BareFark]
2023-01-26 8:33:42 PM  

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Ding satire's done
Ding satire's done
Ding satire's done
Ding satire's done

Seriously...I don't even know what side that is supposed to be criticizing at this point.
 
gilgigamesh
2023-01-26 8:33:51 PM  
It's not judicial activism when we do it. The 21st century republican credo.
 
Mrtraveler01
2023-01-26 8:38:22 PM  
I always love the argument from Republicans that the voters didn't know what they were voting for when it comes to these Amendments.

Oddly enough, that logic never seems to apply to why they were elected in the first place.
 
Screaming Candle
2023-01-26 8:45:40 PM  
While it's clear the that GOP wanted to F over the little people, it's not clear what happened here and the article was about as helpful as a map by MC Escher.
 
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier
2023-01-26 8:46:01 PM  
I mean, I get the reasoning. The ballot initiative said you have to do it. The legislature then came back and passed dickish changes to a law. The punishment should be getting thrown out on your ass with a card that says "Did we farking stutter?" from the voters.

It's legal for the legislature to amend legislation.
 
runwiz [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 8:46:03 PM  
The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-26 8:47:12 PM  

runwiz: The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.


"Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the huge shift in wealth and power to the top. This would give Democrats the political clout to reallocate power in the economy - rather than merely enact palliatives that paper over the increasing concentration of power at the top.

But to do this Democrats would have to end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy. And they would have to reject the convenient story that American workers care more about cultural issues than about getting a better deal in an economy that's been delivering them a worsening deal for decades."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/07/virginia-new-jersey-white-working-class-critical-race-theory-democrats-republicans
 
groppet
2023-01-26 8:53:51 PM  
Well all those judges should make minium wage for a few years and see how they like it
 
OhioUGrad
2023-01-26 8:54:20 PM  

realmolo: The conservative movement is pulling out all the stops in the past couple of years. They are "going for it". And "it" is, essentially, feudalism.

They know that their power has peaked, so this is their last blast. It might even succeed. In which case, we're looking at another world-wide Great Depression and probably another civil war in the United States.


Thankfully, I do not think they will succeed on a large scale and will just burn down a few states that were already in the shiatter.

If they had picked more competent people, they might succeed. Instead, they want bombastic, outrageous, uncouth candidates who are all up in your face, loud, obnoxious, and cannot operate stealthily to backdoor their agenda.

Then again, I was also in the camp that did not think TFG would win an election, so my opinion is null and void.
 
Percise1
2023-01-26 8:54:24 PM  
Other than the obvious stupidity, this is a polished turd of a gem if I have ever seen one.

The minimum wage now is $10.10 per hour, less for tipped workers.

As if you always get tipped?
Back in my food schlepping days in Ca, you were taxed on 6% of your gross "sale", regardless. There were times where I literally paid to serve people who stiffed me because the place was understaffed or the cooks sucked.
It's farking idiotic to change the minimum wage because of the chance of tips.
 
Walker [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 8:56:58 PM  
Democrats now control the Statehouse and the governorship. Forget the court case and raise it to $20.00 an hour just to piss off the GQP.
 
Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-26 8:58:07 PM  

Bungles: The minimum wage now is $10.10 per hour, less for tipped workers.

As anyone outside the US will say every time... US tipping culture is so weird. In what other industry are the customers supposed to pay the wages of employees directly, and not the employer via the cost of the product?


Have a friend who used to be a fishing guide in the Keys.  Put an English client of his company on bonefish, tarpon and permit, guy caught a tarpon. But he put him on a hat trick. And the guy didn't tip him. Not a dime. English guy calls up a year later and wants to book again and my buddy asked him what he did. He said he was a musician. In Pink Floyd.  It was Roger Waters, who travels under another name, Pink Floyd related, but my friend wouldn't tell me what it was, except that it was hilarious.  He apologized and said he always forgets to tip in the US. My friend got tipped like royalty that second year.
 
whither_apophis [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 8:59:00 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: "Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos


BBZZZZT

White poor and working classes have shown time and time again they will NOT join in a coalition with Blacks and Latinos. We're in this mess precisely because they won't. Whites loved socialism up to the moment Democrats in the '50s and 60s said "yeah it probably should apply to minorities too"
 
Bonzo_1116
2023-01-26 8:59:40 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: runwiz: The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.

"Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the huge shift in wealth and power to the top. This would give Democrats the political clout to reallocate power in the economy - rather than merely enact palliatives that paper over the increasing concentration of power at the top.

But to do this Democrats would have to end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy. And they would have to reject the convenient story that American workers care more about cultural issues than about getting a better deal in an economy that's been delivering them a worsening deal for decades."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/07/virginia-new-jersey-white-working-class-critical-race-theory-democrats-republicans


A big part of getting a better deal as a worker is not getting treated like disposable sh*t due to who you are.

Some of what gets dressed up as "culture war" stuff is straight up economic oppression used by the wealthy because they can get away with it.
 
Shaggy_C
2023-01-26 9:01:37 PM  
This sounds suspiciously like the legislature overriding a non-binding referendum...
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-26 9:02:47 PM  

whither_apophis: Bith Set Me Up: "Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos

BBZZZZT

White poor and working classes have shown time and time again they will NOT join in a coalition with Blacks and Latinos. We're in this mess precisely because they won't. Whites loved socialism up to the moment Democrats in the '50s and 60s said "yeah it probably should apply to minorities too"


Bonzo_1116: Bith Set Me Up: runwiz: The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.

"Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the huge shift in wealth and power to the top. This would give Democrats the political clout to reallocate power in the economy - rather than merely enact palliatives that paper over the increasing concentration of power at the top.

But to do this Democrats would have to end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy. And they would have to reject the convenient story that American workers care more about cultural issues than about getting a better deal in an economy that's been delivering them a worsening deal for decades."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/07/virginia-new-jersey-white-working-class-critical-race-theory-democrats-republicans

A big part of getting a better deal as a worker is not getting treated like disposable sh*t due to who you are.

Some of what gets dressed up as "culture war" stuff is straight up economic oppression used by the wealthy because they can get away with it.


"The Democratic Party - and the progressive forces within it - have so much going for them. The GOP's economic vision has never been less popular with ordinary Americans, or more irrelevant to their material needs. The U.S. electorate is becoming less white, less racist, and less conservative with each passing year. Social conservatism has never had less appeal for American voters than it does today. The garish spectacle of the Trump-era Republican Party is turning the American suburbs - once a core part of the GOP coalition - purple and blue.

If the Democratic Party wasn't bleeding support from white working-class voters in its old labor strongholds, it would dominate our national politics. Understandably, Democratic partisans often blame their powerlessness on such voters - and the regressive racial views that led them out of Team Blue's tent. But as unions have declined across the Midwest, Democrats haven't just been losing white, working-class voters to revanchist Republicans - they've also been losing them to quiet evenings at home. The NBER study cited by McElwee found that right-to-work laws reduce voter turnout in presidential elections by 2 to 3 percent.

Further, the notion that grassroots organizing cannot make a non-woke white man prioritize his class interests over his racial resentments - and thus, that the Democratic Party's refusal to bolster union organizing was irrelevant to its failure to fend off Trump - is unsupportable. In 2008, labor invested a quarter-billion dollars into Barack Obama's election, allocating the bulk of those funds into burnishing the candidate's support among union voters in the Midwest. That year, unionized white men backed Obama by an 18 percent margin; while nonunionized ones went for John McCain by 16.

If right-to-work laws alone cost Democrats roughly 3.5 percent of a given state's vote share, how many votes has the party lost since 1978 by refusing to prioritize progressive labor reforms?

What kind of country would we live in today, if they hadn't?"

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/01/democrats-paid-a-huge-price-for-letting-unions-die.html
 
erik-k [OhFark]
2023-01-26 9:07:44 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: runwiz: The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.

"Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the huge shift in wealth and power to the top. This would give Democrats the political clout to reallocate power in the economy - rather than merely enact palliatives that paper over the increasing concentration of power at the top.

But to do this Democrats would have to end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy. And they would have to reject the convenient story that American workers care more about cultural issues than about getting a better deal in an economy that's been delivering them a worsening deal for decades."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/07/virginia-new-jersey-white-working-class-critical-race-theory-democrats-republicans


The original Democratic working class coalition fell apart when the Democrats showed the white racists the door in the 60s.

And the racists have made it painfully clear that will burn a million of their own children to death sooner than join progressives in helping themselves if nonwhites also get helped.
 
Mrtraveler01
2023-01-26 9:10:03 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: whither_apophis: Bith Set Me Up: "Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos

BBZZZZT

White poor and working classes have shown time and time again they will NOT join in a coalition with Blacks and Latinos. We're in this mess precisely because they won't. Whites loved socialism up to the moment Democrats in the '50s and 60s said "yeah it probably should apply to minorities too"

Bonzo_1116: Bith Set Me Up: runwiz: The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.

"Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the huge shift in wealth and power to the top. This would give Democrats the political clout to reallocate power in the economy - rather than merely enact palliatives that paper over the increasing concentration of power at the top.

But to do this Democrats would have to end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy. And they would have to reject the convenient story that American workers care more about cultural issues than about getting a better deal in an economy that's been delivering them a worsening deal for decades."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/07/virginia-new-jersey-white-working-class-critical-race-theory-democrats-republicans

A big part of getting a better deal as a worker is not getting treated like disposable sh*t due to who you are.

Some of what gets dressed up as "culture war" stuff is straight up economic oppression used by the wealthy because they can get away with it.

"The Democratic Party - and the progressive forces within it - have so much going for them. The GOP's economic vision has never been less popular with ordinary Americans, or more irrelevant to their material needs. The U.S. electorate is becoming less white, less racist, and less conservative with each passing year. Social conservatism has never had less appeal for American voters than it does today. The garish spectacle of the Trump-era Republican Party is turning the American suburbs - once a core part of the GOP coalition - purple and blue.

If the Democratic Party wasn't bleeding support from white working-class voters in its old labor strongholds, it would dominate our national politics. Understandably, Democratic partisans often blame their powerlessness on such voters - and the regressive racial views that led them out of Team Blue's tent. But as unions have declined across the Midwest, Democrats haven't just been losing white, working-class voters to revanchist Republicans - they've also been losing them to quiet evenings at home. The NBER study cited by McElwee found that right-to-work laws reduce voter turnout in presidential elections by 2 to 3 percent.

Further, the notion that grassroots organizing cannot make a non-woke white man prioritize his class interests over his racial resentments - and thus, that the Democratic Party's refusal to bolster union organizing was irrelevant to its failure to fend off Trump - is unsupportable. In 2008, labor invested a quarter-billion dollars into Barack Obama's election, allocating the bulk of those funds into burnishing the candidate's support among union voters in the Midwest. That year, unionized white men backed Obama by an 18 percent margin; while nonunionized ones went for John McCain by 16.

If right-to-work laws alone cost Democrats roughly 3.5 percent of a given state's vote share, how many votes has the party lost since 1978 by refusing to prioritize progressive labor reforms?

What kind of country would we live in today, if they hadn't?"

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/01/democrats-paid-a-huge-price-for-letting-unions-die.html


I do think thats a part of the problem but doesn't fully explain why a fair share of union workers voted for Trump and the GOP.

My cousin worked at a steelmill is SW PA and they were all on the Trump train despite being union workers.

The real problem is how do you "deprogram" union workers to stop listening to right-wing propaganda and stop voting against their interests.
 
Bonzo_1116
2023-01-26 9:10:48 PM  
Bith Set Me Up:

The Citizens United ruling pretty much ruined the remaining power of organized labor in the US.

Sh*t will probably get quite a bit worse before enough people are angry enough to unf*ck the country.
 
Be polite walk on the right
2023-01-26 9:12:23 PM  
Because religion maeks you dum
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-26 9:15:50 PM  

erik-k: Bith Set Me Up: runwiz: The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.

"Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the huge shift in wealth and power to the top. This would give Democrats the political clout to reallocate power in the economy - rather than merely enact palliatives that paper over the increasing concentration of power at the top.

But to do this Democrats would have to end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy. And they would have to reject the convenient story that American workers care more about cultural issues than about getting a better deal in an economy that's been delivering them a worsening deal for decades."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/07/virginia-new-jersey-white-working-class-critical-race-theory-democrats-republicans

The original Democratic working class coalition fell apart when the Democrats showed the white racists the door in the 60s.

And the racists have made it painfully clear that will burn a million of their own children to death sooner than join progressives in helping themselves if nonwhites also get helped.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-democrats-killed-their-populist-soul/504710/
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-26 9:17:41 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I do think thats a part of the problem but doesn't fully explain why a fair share of union workers voted for Trump and the GOP.

My cousin worked at a steelmill is SW PA and they were all on the Trump train despite being union workers.

The real problem is how do you "deprogram" union workers to stop listening to right-wing propaganda and stop voting against their interests.


Obama talked about why this was happening back in 2008:

"So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...I think they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188
 
Excelsior
2023-01-26 9:19:44 PM  

Bungles: The minimum wage now is $10.10 per hour, less for tipped workers.

As anyone outside the US will say every time... US tipping culture is so weird. In what other industry are the customers supposed to pay the wages of employees directly, and not the employer via the cost of the product?


Same reason that price tags in the store do NOT include sales taxes -- the actual costs of the products is hidden from the buyer, lest they feel ripped off.
 
Uncle Pooky
2023-01-26 9:20:26 PM  
And the dipshiats will still vote for them
 
gilgigamesh
2023-01-26 9:20:27 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: runwiz: The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.

"Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the huge shift in wealth and power to the top. This would give Democrats the political clout to reallocate power in the economy - rather than merely enact palliatives that paper over the increasing concentration of power at the top.

But to do this Democrats would have to end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy. And they would have to reject the convenient story that American workers care more about cultural issues than about getting a better deal in an economy that's been delivering them a worsening deal for decades."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/07/virginia-new-jersey-white-working-class-critical-race-theory-democrats-republicans


Well, sure I can't afford to feed my family. But I read something on Facebook about schools forced to install litterboxes for kids who identify as cats or something, so really you can see I have no choice but to vote for the guy promising to do away with public schools altogether.
 
Excelsior
2023-01-26 9:21:02 PM  

Be polite walk on the right: Because religion maeks you dum


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Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 9:25:10 PM  

Screaming Candle: While it's clear the that GOP wanted to F over the little people, it's not clear what happened here and the article was about as helpful as a map by MC Escher.


1. There was a petition among the actual people to change the minimum wage and rules about tipped wage-jobs. It could have been on the ballot. However,
2. The petition was enacted into law, raising wages across the board without having it go to the voters.
3. Then the legislators came back and changed the law because it hadn't actually been voted on.
4. A lower court threw out their changes and would have forced the legislature to obey the original law, but
5. The appeals court decided that since it had never actually been voted on, the legislators were acting with "all the legislators' constituents' interests in mind."

Better?
 
Shaggy_C
2023-01-26 9:27:30 PM  

Be polite walk on the right: Because religion maeks you dum


Why don't these stupid idiots just vote for us? how can they be so dumb they can't see how great we are for stupid assholes like them?
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-26 9:28:37 PM  

gilgigamesh: Bith Set Me Up: runwiz: The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.

"Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the huge shift in wealth and power to the top. This would give Democrats the political clout to reallocate power in the economy - rather than merely enact palliatives that paper over the increasing concentration of power at the top.

But to do this Democrats would have to end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy. And they would have to reject the convenient story that American workers care more about cultural issues than about getting a better deal in an economy that's been delivering them a worsening deal for decades."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/07/virginia-new-jersey-white-working-class-critical-race-theory-democrats-republicans

Well, sure I can't afford to feed my family. But I read something on Facebook about schools forced to install litterboxes for kids who identify as cats or something, so really you can see I have no choice but to vote for the guy promising to do away with public schools altogether.


"For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in Western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin." -- Chuck Schumer (2016)

How'd that strategy go? Oh, I remember: Democrats only scored *one* of those states in 2016 (Illinois), and they lost states Obama *handily* won in both 2008 and 2012, many of which hadn't voted Republican since Reagan.
 
eddie_irvine
2023-01-26 9:31:54 PM  

Uncle Pooky: And the dipshiats will still vote for them


"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." - John Steinbeck

"And they think that they're one tax cut away from prosperity" - Me
 
qorkfiend
2023-01-26 9:36:15 PM  
I like how everyone keep pretending they're surprised that Republican judges are Republicans
 
pdieten
2023-01-26 9:36:59 PM  
Mrtraveler01:
I do think thats a part of the problem but doesn't fully explain why a fair share of union workers voted for Trump and the GOP.

My cousin worked at a steelmill is SW PA and they were all on the Trump train despite being union workers.

The real problem is how do you "deprogram" union workers to stop listening to right-wing propaganda and stop voting against their interests.

You got half your answer already. The other half actually is a cultural problem, these white working class people don't feel any cultural solidarity with minorities and the actually economically insecure who live in cities, and they want their religious sensibilities respected by all levels of the party. You can't sell all the people like that on, for example, a Hillary Clinton. Enough of them - not all, but enough - would vote for a John Fetterman type to make a statewide majority. He looks more like them. That's shallow, but that shallow shiat attracts the kind of people who feel more than they think.
 
FatherChaos [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 9:38:01 PM  
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etoof
2023-01-26 9:40:54 PM  
Keep them poor so they have to finance everything. Working as intended.
 
mrmopar5287 [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 9:40:54 PM  

Shaggy_C: This sounds suspiciously like the legislature overriding a non-binding referendum...


It was a bait-and-switch.

The public was going to make it a binding referendum and the legislature stepped in to pass what was going to be on the referendum, so the public abandoned it thinking it was done. Then the legislature stepped back in and boomeranged it back because they could. Had the public stuck with the referendum, it would be law the legislature couldn't override.

Moral of the story is pass the referendum anyways, even if the legislature gives you exactly what's going to be in it.
 
eddie_irvine
2023-01-26 9:41:23 PM  

Shaggy_C: Be polite walk on the right: Because religion maeks you dum

Why don't these stupid idiots just vote for us? how can they be so dumb they can't see how great we are for stupid assholes like them?


Well, your boy said it best:

Trump in Nevada: 'I Love the Poorly Educated'
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sdd2000
2023-01-26 9:42:10 PM  

whither_apophis: Bith Set Me Up: "Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos

BBZZZZT

White poor and working classes have shown time and time again they will NOT join in a coalition with Blacks and Latinos. We're in this mess precisely because they won't. Whites loved socialism up to the moment Democrats in the '50s and 60s said "yeah it probably should apply to minorities too"


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Brian The Fist
2023-01-26 9:47:04 PM  

Shaggy_C: Be polite walk on the right: Because religion maeks you dum

Why don't these stupid idiots just vote for us? how can they be so dumb they can't see how great we are for stupid assholes like them?


It's not like it's some great mystery.  The stupid idiots won't vote for us because we don't have a politician who can thread the needle of stoking hate, fear, lies and racism to win over the stupid idiots without turning off the morons on our side who cant figure out it's a show to win votes.

We should work on a hand-sign or something.
 
monsatano [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 9:48:54 PM  

erik-k: Bith Set Me Up: runwiz: The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.

"Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the huge shift in wealth and power to the top. This would give Democrats the political clout to reallocate power in the economy - rather than merely enact palliatives that paper over the increasing concentration of power at the top.

But to do this Democrats would have to end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy. And they would have to reject the convenient story that American workers care more about cultural issues than about getting a better deal in an economy that's been delivering them a worsening deal for decades."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/07/virginia-new-jersey-white-working-class-critical-race-theory-democrats-republicans

The original Democratic working class coalition fell apart when the Democrats showed the white racists the door in the 60s.

And the racists have made it painfully clear that will burn a million of their own children to death sooner than join progressives in helping themselves if nonwhites also get helped.


Red states would have a $30/hr minimum wage and free healthcare as long as "those people" didn't get it. Progressive policies < Racism
 
monsatano [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 9:51:33 PM  

monsatano: erik-k: Bith Set Me Up: runwiz: The Democrats are now the majority in both houses of the Michigan Legislature and the Governor is a Democrat.  they should be able to enact a measure to raise the minimum wage.

"Democrats could win back the white working class by putting together a large coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, Blacks and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the huge shift in wealth and power to the top. This would give Democrats the political clout to reallocate power in the economy - rather than merely enact palliatives that paper over the increasing concentration of power at the top.

But to do this Democrats would have to end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street and the wealthy. And they would have to reject the convenient story that American workers care more about cultural issues than about getting a better deal in an economy that's been delivering them a worsening deal for decades."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/07/virginia-new-jersey-white-working-class-critical-race-theory-democrats-republicans

The original Democratic working class coalition fell apart when the Democrats showed the white racists the door in the 60s.

And the racists have made it painfully clear that will burn a million of their own children to death sooner than join progressives in helping themselves if nonwhites also get helped.

Red states would have a $30/hr minimum wage and free healthcare as long as "those people" didn't get it. Progressive policies < Racism


I should probably replace "Red States" with "We", because...yeah.
 
dennysgod
2023-01-26 10:04:19 PM  
Since facts don't matter to the GQP sheeple I'm sure very soon we'll see them blaming the Democrats because they are in charge.
 
Jim_Callahan
2023-01-26 10:06:03 PM  
Do they, subby?  The most recent Pew polls show about 33% of people on the bottom half of the income scale identify as Republican voters compared to 48% who explicitly identify as Democratic voters.

Mrtraveler01: I do think thats a part of the problem but doesn't fully explain why a fair share of union workers voted for Trump and the GOP.


One of Biden's "big wins" that CNN et al wouldn't let us hear the end of was to go union busting and undermine negotiations against a Union's position.  And that was him, with the overwhelming support of congressional Democrats, just randomly acting to screw over a union he had no actual authority over in principle, Democratic administration's positions on public service unions have historically been basically identical to the GOP's, which is to say that what both parties do in a position where they are the entity that's actually supposed to be negotiating with the union in question they are equally malicious and shiatty.

The claim that labor "should" be voting for the Democrats probably sounds a lot different to someone drawing an actual paycheck from union salary negotiations than it does to someone as separated from the issues as you most likely are.  The position that both parties are essentially explicitly opposed to your existence and want to kill you at all times, and you should vote based on your other interests (religious, racial, consumer, whatever) instead because it simply doesn't matter on the big issue that impacts you, is... fairly defensible, honestly.

There's a more diplomatic way to put this about voters being people and people being more than one thing, etc, but this is kind of the core of it-- if no one of any party affiliation is going to take any positive steps on your biggest issues, you either stop voting in favor of stockpiling ammo and moving off the grid or you start voting based on less-important / less-personally-immediate issues instead.

// I am not making some amazing new observation about the Dems' behavior here, most of the Democrats who are actually serious about the party surviving or gaining voters would point to this exact thing as The One Thing that the party needs to fix to start picking up majorities in various places.  The fact that the only "action" they can squeeze out of their complacent fat-cat colleagues is the occasional pre-poison-pilled symbolic minimum wage vote intentionally designed to fail and usually increasing minimum wage to something still below cost of living in 90% of the US is kind of case in point for what they've been saying and why the reformist congressmen tend to generate a lot of frustrated sound bytes.
 
baron von doodle [OhFark]
2023-01-26 10:58:07 PM  

Bungles: The minimum wage now is $10.10 per hour, less for tipped workers.

As anyone outside the US will say every time... US tipping culture is so weird. In what other industry are the customers supposed to pay the wages of employees directly, and not the employer via the cost of the product?


Prostitution.
 
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