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leeto2 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 3:17:59 PM  
yeahh...that whole segment pissed me off.  umm, how about hiring women? How about giving someone with a criminal record a second chance? How about offering training?  Not to mention the blatant sexism...these are men's jobs and men should be doing them.

Once again companies are "WaAaaaaah, we can't find any workers.." Just like they couldn't for IT or Software, or any other thing they could cut / outsource or otherwise screw the employees.  Gee, we outsourced everything to Mexico, then to china, and now that we discovered that just in time manufacturing doesn't work during a pandemic with a 3,000 mile long supply chain...gee, we want to bring stuff back to the US and want to hire workers at 20/hr...

At 20/hr only 75% of their check will be going to rent instead of 100%.  Yeah..sorry CBS, you aren't covering all the facts.  oh, and Hoda can GFherself.
 
Stephen_Falken [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 3:19:52 PM  
LOL, the owner class is mad that people are waking up to the fact that they are wage slaves, Neo. Hey rich dickheads - go f*ck yourself.
 
capt.snicklefritz [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 3:24:32 PM  
I'm 39 and my wife makes almost 3x what I bring in. Once our youngest gets in the public school system we'll be saving close to 40k a year over what we were paying at the height of daycare expenditures.

You bet your ass I'm leaving the workforce.
 
Shostie [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 3:57:32 PM  
Tony Dokoupil talks to "Dirty Jobs" host Mike Rowe

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Red Shirt Blues
2023-01-26 5:45:04 PM  
Pay me six figures to sit around and bullshiat in front of a camera and I'll work all day.
 
baron von doodle [OhFark]
2023-01-26 5:48:57 PM  

capt.snicklefritz: I'm 39 and my wife makes almost 3x what I bring in. Once our youngest gets in the public school system we'll be saving close to 40k a year over what we were paying at the height of daycare expenditures.

You bet your ass I'm leaving the workforce.


It does feel like some kind of general tipping point. Everyone is doing the math, comparing numbers, and realizing that the whole thing was only in place to give life a veneer of upward mobility.
 
Catsaregreen
2023-01-26 5:52:22 PM  
heh, heh, heh, they said "hole" in the market.
 
OhioUGrad
2023-01-26 5:54:24 PM  
I tried to be optimistic before watching the segment, but holy hell that was just bullshiat and lazy.

The woman owner said she's leaving $5 million of revenue on the table by not having 15 employees, and the average pay is about $32/hr? Sorry that people don't want to work for that wage so you can make millions more.

I miss when Rowe was sane and really enjoyed Dirty Jobs the first go around because if I ever started taking my job for granted, I could watch that series and realize how good I had it.

Also, I am not sure where people think that government assistance, even at the highest levels, can afford anyone even more than the most basic of life.

Everyone in that segment can fark right off, all the economists who contributed to the original article can fark right off.

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Cajnik [OhFark]
2023-01-26 6:01:22 PM  
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HotWingConspiracy
2023-01-26 6:06:03 PM  
Around seven million men in their prime working age neither have jobs nor are looking for one, creating a huge hole in the labor market and costing businesses in male-dominated fields like manufacturing millions of dollars. Tony Dokoupil talks to "Dirty Jobs" host Mike Rowe and the CEO of a manufacturing company about the reasons behind this phenomenon.

The pay sucks, the benefits suck, and they can fire people for any reason they like at any moment. Who do I invoice for my consultancy fee?
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 6:08:41 PM  
What about the people whose job it is to be a lazy fark?
 
Izunbacol [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-26 6:14:25 PM  
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Labor force participation has ranged between 60 and 70% for the last 70+ years.  It's just the balance of male and female that has changed.

Given that women are more educated and less likely to be convicted felons, and given the increase in jobs requiring degrees, it makes sense that they'd take a greater role.
 
jso2897
2023-01-26 6:20:10 PM  
Nope.
 
shinji3i
2023-01-26 6:22:11 PM  

capt.snicklefritz: I'm 39 and my wife makes almost 3x what I bring in. Once our youngest gets in the public school system we'll be saving close to 40k a year over what we were paying at the height of daycare expenditures.

You bet your ass I'm leaving the workforce.


Similar position but no kid and Iike my job. We've done the numbers and if I ever start hating work I'm going to become the most gardeningist, buffest, home cookinist house husband there ever was.
 
Gergesa
2023-01-26 6:22:24 PM  
I am going to suggest reconsidering the compensation schedule.
 
OhioUGrad
2023-01-26 6:28:27 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Around seven million men in their prime working age neither have jobs nor are looking for one, creating a huge hole in the labor market and costing businesses in male-dominated fields like manufacturing millions of dollars. Tony Dokoupil talks to "Dirty Jobs" host Mike Rowe and the CEO of a manufacturing company about the reasons behind this phenomenon.

The pay sucks, the benefits suck, and they can fire people for any reason they like at any moment. Who do I invoice for my consultancy fee?


Given the laziness of your thesis, I'd say Accenture.

fragMasterFlash: What about the people whose job it is to be a lazy fark?


They make $175,000 in DC.

Izunbacol: [Fark user image 785x363]Labor force participation has ranged between 60 and 70% for the last 70+ years.  It's just the balance of male and female that has changed.

Given that women are more educated and less likely to be convicted felons, and given the increase in jobs requiring degrees, it makes sense that they'd take a greater role.


That's more interesting than the dramatically altered graph in the video that looks like Fox News made it

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mcreadyblue
2023-01-26 6:32:26 PM  

OhioUGrad: HotWingConspiracy: Around seven million men in their prime working age neither have jobs nor are looking for one, creating a huge hole in the labor market and costing businesses in male-dominated fields like manufacturing millions of dollars. Tony Dokoupil talks to "Dirty Jobs" host Mike Rowe and the CEO of a manufacturing company about the reasons behind this phenomenon.

The pay sucks, the benefits suck, and they can fire people for any reason they like at any moment. Who do I invoice for my consultancy fee?

Given the laziness of your thesis, I'd say Accenture.

fragMasterFlash: What about the people whose job it is to be a lazy fark?

They make $175,000 in DC.

Izunbacol: [Fark user image 785x363]Labor force participation has ranged between 60 and 70% for the last 70+ years.  It's just the balance of male and female that has changed.

Given that women are more educated and less likely to be convicted felons, and given the increase in jobs requiring degrees, it makes sense that they'd take a greater role.

That's more interesting than the dramatically altered graph in the video that looks like Fox News made it

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The Fed has been raising interest rates to cause a recession and increase unemployment bringing down inflation.

Why are they upset less people are working?  That's what the Fed wants. B
 
Spermbot
2023-01-26 6:35:49 PM  

Izunbacol: Given that women are more educated and less likely to be convicted felons, and given the increase in jobs requiring degrees, it makes sense that they'd take a greater role.


I don't intuitively understand why men are getting fewer college degrees than women, but a 2018 study says that "A 2018 study of social mobility and race led by the Harvard economist Raj Chetty found that income inequality between Black and white Americans was disproportionately driven by bad outcomes for Black boys. The few neighborhoods where Black and white boys grew up to have similar adult outcomes were low-poverty areas that also had high levels of "father presence." That is, even boys without a father at home saw significantly more upward mobility when their neighborhood had a large number of fathers present. High-poverty areas without fathers present seem to be doubly impoverished, and boys who live in these neighborhoods are less likely to achieve the milestones, such as college attendance, that lead to a middle-class salary or better." (source (paywalled))

But given that "men not at work" is a phenomenon that happens across the economy and across westernized nations, this explains only part of the phenomenon.  I haven't read any empirically-supported hypotheses to explain this.
 
togaman2k [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 6:36:37 PM  
I am manufacturing adjacent - in strategic procurement. Salary employees are, generally, treated quite well with very flexible time and good pay.

Every one of my components suppliers is having trouble hiring workers.

Almost every one of them some combination of non-Union, start pay at $15/hr with skilled machinists barely breaking $25/hr after a decade, temp for 90 days before hire, mandatory overtime, weekend/holiday schedules, non-climate-controlled working environments, dirty/loud/manual labor, and most employers will fire employees for one or two screw-ups or tardy shift starts.

I wouldn't work in hourly manufacturing if I could avoid it. Almost anything is better than that.

And I think people have figured this out.

I can make as much driving my car for Uber/Lyft or working at the grocery store running check out. I can mostly support a stay-at-home spouse and kids as a long-haul trucker.

It's just not worth dealing with crappy employers when you have options.
 
electricjebus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-26 6:39:07 PM  
OK, that was just garbage.  For starters, when they talked about working age men in the 50's they used percentages, and for today they kept saying 7 million...  what percentage is that?

Next, a lot of things have changed since then.  For starters, my brother in law is a stay home dad.  He and my sister made a deal that whichever one of them got the job they wanted, the other one would raise the children.  My sister got a job that required them to move, so he quit his job and became a stay at home father.  He has a law degree and takes on the occasional case, but for the most part his job is raising the kids.  That didn't happen in 1953.

They just gloss over the whole convict thing, which is a huge issue and probably a lot of those 7 million people.  If felons can't get hired, guess what they're going to do?  Go back to a life of crime and not looking for legitimate jobs.  Which is a shame because literally the best worker I ever had went from homeless to getting his records expunged and is currently in the market for a house.

I've been in manual labor most of my adult life.  When they're talking about average pay of over 30 dollars an hour, that's got to be including every job, not just the ones available.  Yes, I made more than that in my last job, and the job I interviewed for yesterday would pay that, but those are management jobs.  Maintenance and QA typically pay pretty well too, but the average floor worker is never going to see that kind of money and a lot of workers never make it off the floor... or to retirement age.

Also, not everybody is cut out for manual labor to begin with.  Believe it or not, the body builders usually get their asses handed to them.  It ain't about how much you can lift, it's about how effortlessly you can lift 50 pounds, because you'll be doing that all day some days, then the next day you'll have to move your hands with precision and speed.  The trick to that is you have to learn what to pay attention to and train your body to do rest by muscle memory.  If you stop to think about what you're doing, you are not going to be able to keep up with modern machines.  Not everybody can do that.

Just because there are jobs available doesn't mean that every person who's unemployed is suitable for them.  Quotas in 2023 make quotas in 1953 look like a joke.

/end rant
 
MilesTeg
2023-01-26 6:42:29 PM  
We get it. You are all lazy communists who think you should get whatever you want off the work of someone else. Go back to your weed and Xbox.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-01-26 6:45:46 PM  
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People don't exist to serve the economy, the economy exists to serve the people.
 
whither_apophis [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 6:53:27 PM  

baron von doodle: It does feel like some kind of general tipping point. Everyone is doing the math, comparing numbers, and realizing that the whole thing was only in place to give life a veneer of upward mobility.


Clearly we need to drop math classes
 
whither_apophis [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 6:54:54 PM  

MilesTeg: We get it. You are all lazy communists who think you should get whatever you want off the work of someone else. Go back to your weed and Xbox.


You're talking about CEO's and hedge fund managers, right?
 
baron von doodle [OhFark]
2023-01-26 6:56:01 PM  

whither_apophis: baron von doodle: It does feel like some kind of general tipping point. Everyone is doing the math, comparing numbers, and realizing that the whole thing was only in place to give life a veneer of upward mobility.

Clearly we need to drop math classes


You joke, but a less educated electorate is definitely one of the goals. Not just for voting, but also to keep the whole shirtty machine running.
 
wraith95
2023-01-26 7:06:24 PM  
Last time I check unemployment was at 3.5% so I dunno where all thos labor is supposed to be hiding
 
Spermbot
2023-01-26 7:08:40 PM  

togaman2k: I am manufacturing adjacent - in strategic procurement. Salary employees are, generally, treated quite well with very flexible time and good pay.

Every one of my components suppliers is having trouble hiring workers.

Almost every one of them some combination of non-Union, start pay at $15/hr with skilled machinists barely breaking $25/hr after a decade, temp for 90 days before hire, mandatory overtime, weekend/holiday schedules, non-climate-controlled working environments, dirty/loud/manual labor, and most employers will fire employees for one or two screw-ups or tardy shift starts.

I wouldn't work in hourly manufacturing if I could avoid it. Almost anything is better than that.

And I think people have figured this out.

I can make as much driving my car for Uber/Lyft or working at the grocery store running check out. I can mostly support a stay-at-home spouse and kids as a long-haul trucker.

It's just not worth dealing with crappy employers when you have options.


Statistics show that men are also getting college degrees AND H.S. diplomas at far lower rates than women.  Why is formal education a ticket to jobs for girls and young women but not of interest/ability to boys and young men?
 
Spermbot
2023-01-26 7:09:27 PM  

wraith95: Last time I check unemployment was at 3.5% so I dunno where all thos labor is supposed to be hiding


TFA got this one thing right: that number doesn't include men who aren't looking for work.
 
Obscene_CNN
2023-01-26 7:09:50 PM  
Too many nancy boys. They started showing up in mass after that Twilight book was introduced in schools.

"My men have become women, and my women men." -- Xerxes
 
hlehmann
2023-01-26 7:30:05 PM  

Spermbot: Why is formal education a ticket to jobs for girls and young women but not of interest/ability to boys and young men?


I'm sure many a sociologist / economist has written a lengthy paper trying to come up with a reason, and they're probably all wrong.
 
Spermbot
2023-01-26 7:31:24 PM  

hlehmann: Spermbot: Why is formal education a ticket to jobs for girls and young women but not of interest/ability to boys and young men?

I'm sure many a sociologist / economist has written a lengthy paper trying to come up with a reason, and they're probably all wrong.


No, they haven't, if my google-fu is any indication.  Experts are just guessing based on their life experiences and biases.
 
jso2897
2023-01-26 7:31:32 PM  
Oooh, dearie, what a giveaway.
 
zez
2023-01-26 7:32:34 PM  

capt.snicklefritz: I'm 39 and my wife makes almost 3x what I bring in. Once our youngest gets in the public school system we'll be saving close to 40k a year over what we were paying at the height of daycare expenditures.

You bet your ass I'm leaving the workforce.


You should have left the workforce when you were spending most of your paycheck paying someone else to raise your kid. That's what me and my wife did.

/stay at home dad
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 7:43:41 PM  

leeto2: How about giving someone with a criminal record a second chance?


There's a lot of people in jail for weed who are probably perfectly capable of holding down a job.
 
HempHead
2023-01-26 7:45:14 PM  

togaman2k: I am manufacturing adjacent - in strategic procurement. Salary employees are, generally, treated quite well with very flexible time and good pay.

Every one of my components suppliers is having trouble hiring workers.

Almost every one of them some combination of non-Union, start pay at $15/hr with skilled machinists barely breaking $25/hr after a decade, temp for 90 days before hire, mandatory overtime, weekend/holiday schedules, non-climate-controlled working environments, dirty/loud/manual labor, and most employers will fire employees for one or two screw-ups or tardy shift starts.

I wouldn't work in hourly manufacturing if I could avoid it. Almost anything is better than that.

And I think people have figured this out.

I can make as much driving my car for Uber/Lyft or working at the grocery store running check out. I can mostly support a stay-at-home spouse and kids as a long-haul trucker.

It's just not worth dealing with crappy employers when you have options.


Companies are stuck in 2019, when there was a surplus of applicants and they fired left and right on the whims of management.

My sister got fired in December from a call center job, evidently her metrics had plateaued over the 3 years she had been there and were no longer increasing. In reflection, she thinks everyone there gets fired after 3 years.
 
mononymous [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 7:49:59 PM  
That's a lovely wage-slave capitalist society you got there.  It'd be a shame if something were to...happen...to it...
 
togaman2k [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 8:07:13 PM  

HempHead: togaman2k: I am manufacturing adjacent - in strategic procurement. Salary employees are, generally, treated quite well with very flexible time and good pay.

Every one of my components suppliers is having trouble hiring workers.

Almost every one of them some combination of non-Union, start pay at $15/hr with skilled machinists barely breaking $25/hr after a decade, temp for 90 days before hire, mandatory overtime, weekend/holiday schedules, non-climate-controlled working environments, dirty/loud/manual labor, and most employers will fire employees for one or two screw-ups or tardy shift starts.

I wouldn't work in hourly manufacturing if I could avoid it. Almost anything is better than that.

And I think people have figured this out.

I can make as much driving my car for Uber/Lyft or working at the grocery store running check out. I can mostly support a stay-at-home spouse and kids as a long-haul trucker.

It's just not worth dealing with crappy employers when you have options.

Companies are stuck in 2019, when there was a surplus of applicants and they fired left and right on the whims of management.

My sister got fired in December from a call center job, evidently her metrics had plateaued over the 3 years she had been there and were no longer increasing. In reflection, she thinks everyone there gets fired after 3 years.


For as much as component prices have risen in the past two years, it's surprising (*not) that companies still try to pay 2019 wages.

Not too many companies have gone out of business in my section of manufacturing and most companies are investing heavily in equipment and facilities. Things they weren't doing much of before 2019.

New machines increase production, but pay your employees more to produce more at higher quality - blasphemy.
 
Buckerlin
2023-01-26 8:13:50 PM  

Obscene_CNN: Too many nancy boys. They started showing up in mass after that Twilight book was introduced in schools.

"My men have become women, and my women men." -- Xerxes


Is that Xerxes I who lived in 400 BC?
If some guy or ten million guys are living a happy existence on weed and video games, shouldn't we be happy they found their metier?
 
Bonzo_1116
2023-01-26 8:20:42 PM  

Spermbot: togaman2k: I am manufacturing adjacent - in strategic procurement. Salary employees are, generally, treated quite well with very flexible time and good pay.

Every one of my components suppliers is having trouble hiring workers.

Almost every one of them some combination of non-Union, start pay at $15/hr with skilled machinists barely breaking $25/hr after a decade, temp for 90 days before hire, mandatory overtime, weekend/holiday schedules, non-climate-controlled working environments, dirty/loud/manual labor, and most employers will fire employees for one or two screw-ups or tardy shift starts.

I wouldn't work in hourly manufacturing if I could avoid it. Almost anything is better than that.

And I think people have figured this out.

I can make as much driving my car for Uber/Lyft or working at the grocery store running check out. I can mostly support a stay-at-home spouse and kids as a long-haul trucker.

It's just not worth dealing with crappy employers when you have options.

Statistics show that men are also getting college degrees AND H.S. diplomas at far lower rates than women.  Why is formal education a ticket to jobs for girls and young women but not of interest/ability to boys and young men?


Because boys are stupid and they smell.
 
Tarl3k
2023-01-26 8:36:48 PM  

baron von doodle: capt.snicklefritz: I'm 39 and my wife makes almost 3x what I bring in. Once our youngest gets in the public school system we'll be saving close to 40k a year over what we were paying at the height of daycare expenditures.

You bet your ass I'm leaving the workforce.

It does feel like some kind of general tipping point. Everyone is doing the math, comparing numbers, and realizing that the whole thing was only in place to give life a veneer of upward mobility.


Yup, the pandemic exposed just how reliant the ruling class is on the working class.  The entire country shut down, and the elites were helpless...and everyone saw it.
 
Do it yourself lobotomy [BareFark]
2023-01-26 8:46:58 PM  

OhioUGrad: I tried to be optimistic before watching the segment, but holy hell that was just bullshiat and lazy.

The woman owner said she's leaving $5 million of revenue on the table by not having 15 employees, and the average pay is about $32/hr? Sorry that people don't want to work for that wage so you can make millions more.


If the wages for the workers only represent 1/2 of the cost of employing them, then she is saying she is willing to pay about $2 million to bring in $5 million...so profit $3 million.

She could double those wages and still profit a $1 million, yet just goes on TV to whine.

I think maybe she is the problem with her business.
 
capt.snicklefritz [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 8:53:52 PM  

zez: capt.snicklefritz: I'm 39 and my wife makes almost 3x what I bring in. Once our youngest gets in the public school system we'll be saving close to 40k a year over what we were paying at the height of daycare expenditures.

You bet your ass I'm leaving the workforce.

You should have left the workforce when you were spending most of your paycheck paying someone else to raise your kid. That's what me and my wife did.

/stay at home dad


We have three kids and I stayed home the first five years. Working in my field that's as long as could be afforded without locking myself out of a career completely.

They don't raise them. They teach them and socialize them, if they're doing it right. I did the former fine, had little options on the latter. shiats nuanced.
 
Spermbot
2023-01-26 8:55:08 PM  

Buckerlin: metier


You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
runwiz [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-26 9:12:10 PM  
Millions of men in their prime working age are leaving the labor force, creating a hole in the market
Around seven million men in their prime working age neither have jobs nor are looking for one, creating a huge hole in the labor market and costing businesses in male-dominated fields like manufacturing millions of dollars. Tony Dokoupil talks to "Dirty Jobs" host Mike Rowe and the CEO of a manufacturing company about the reasons behind this phenomenon.

As opposed to talking to some of the men who have supposedly left the labor force and asking them why they are not working or looking for work. Maybe he would get some real answers instead of suppositions.
 
Obscene_CNN
2023-01-26 9:12:16 PM  

Buckerlin: Obscene_CNN: Too many nancy boys. They started showing up in mass after that Twilight book was introduced in schools.

"My men have become women, and my women men." -- Xerxes

Is that Xerxes I who lived in 400 BC?
If some guy or ten million guys are living a happy existence on weed and video games, shouldn't we be happy they found their metier?


Not if they are living off a worker's tax money and don't have enough saved for retirement.
 
Marshmallow Jones
2023-01-26 9:16:57 PM  
They're all waiting for their gigs as YouTube influencers to work out.   Any day now.
Someday they'll diagnose 'entitlement syndrome' as an illness and the lazy motherf*ckers will pull down government benefits.
 
OptionC [TotalFark]
2023-01-26 9:25:24 PM  
I guess I don't grasp how this is negative?  Do you really think the men who aren't in the labor market would really bring much to the table if they were?  Do you want to work with people who don't want to be there?  Do you want to buy products made by someone who is only building them to not starve on the streets?

This is precisely why we need a UBI - let the ambitious chase their dreams and let the not so ambitious get the fark out of the way in the most humane way possible.
 
Gergesa
2023-01-26 10:18:08 PM  

runwiz: Millions of men in their prime working age are leaving the labor force, creating a hole in the market
Around seven million men in their prime working age neither have jobs nor are looking for one, creating a huge hole in the labor market and costing businesses in male-dominated fields like manufacturing millions of dollars. Tony Dokoupil talks to "Dirty Jobs" host Mike Rowe and the CEO of a manufacturing company about the reasons behind this phenomenon.

As opposed to talking to some of the men who have supposedly left the labor force and asking them why they are not working or looking for work. Maybe he would get some real answers instead of suppositions.


Amazing how that never really seems brought up in these articles.  One would think there would be at least some interest for including an explanation.
 
badplaid
2023-01-26 11:20:52 PM  
The men are in illicit cash businesses and are off the books. There was an article posted here a while back that stated 40% of labor is off the books. I wish I could find it again. It was a great article. Cash mechanics, drug dealers, personal trainers, gay prostitutes, roofers, tree guys, pool cleaners, flea market guys, and a lot of others jobs that are basically the a same as what undocumented workers do.

The guy who opens my pool is cash only. About $250 less per open than the terrible "insured and bonded" guy I hired the first year that did 1/3 less work and left me with a dirty pool.  He and his son do a few opens a day a few days a week from late April through mid June for $400 if you provide chemicals and $450 if he has to buy them. 60+ pools to open is 27K cash. Throw in the closings from September to October and it's double that.

If someone finds the article, let me know. My Google-fu can't find the particular one that I read.
 
frankb00th
2023-01-27 12:12:18 AM  
But Basil, what does it all mean ?
Yeeeah...
 
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