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(CNN)   National Archives asks all former Presidents and Vice Presidents to pretty please check under their couch cushions for any classified documents that might have fallen out of their pockets   (cnn.com) divider line
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2023-01-26 1:17:36 PM  
The committee on barn doors will do a followup
 
2023-01-26 2:19:08 PM  
Now it is a witch hunt.
 
2023-01-26 3:08:52 PM  
Why? If they're just going to let Trump keep and sell whatever he's still hiding, why does everyone else have to follow the rules?
 
2023-01-26 3:10:28 PM  
When I retired after having a Secret clearance for 30 years and a Top Secret for 18 years, it took me all of two days to account for and dispose of all my classified documents, and most of that time was spent traveling to the half dozen SCIFs in which they were stored.

// I'd say that this isn't exactly rocket science, but I was technically a rocket scientist for a few years.
 
2023-01-26 3:11:18 PM  
We COULD prosecute Trump for having classified documents in his home, but whatabout (sic) all the other classified documents found in other presidents' homes? (but please pay no attention to the fact that he's the only one who did not cooperate with the National Archives for their return, or that he kept the documents unsecured in a motel known to be frequented by foreign spies, or that he is the only one who had more than zero SCIF documents in his possession, or that he had more SCIF documents than the others had total combined documents, or that he was in possession of documents so highly classified that investigators couldn't legally describe them generally, or...)
 
2023-01-26 3:45:14 PM  
Note to self:
"The executive agencies sort classified information into three categories of escalating sensitivity: "confidential," "secret," and "top secret."
 
2023-01-26 3:51:47 PM  
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Try not to lose any classified documents on the way to the parking lot!
 
2023-01-26 3:52:43 PM  
What a big waste of time, they should ask TFG to declassify them all with him mind.
 
2023-01-26 3:53:00 PM  
I guarantee both Bushes had *something* that never made it back.
 
2023-01-26 3:53:18 PM  

snocone: Note to self:
"The executive agencies sort classified information into three categories of escalating sensitivity: "confidential," "secret," and "top secret."


"These are their stories. [BONG BONG]"
 
2023-01-26 3:55:17 PM  

King Something: We COULD prosecute Trump for having classified documents in his home, but whatabout (sic) all the other classified documents found in other presidents' homes? (but please pay no attention to the fact that he's the only one who did not cooperate with the National Archives for their return, or that he kept the documents unsecured in a motel known to be frequented by foreign spies, or that he is the only one who had more than zero SCIF documents in his possession, or that he had more SCIF documents than the others had total combined documents, or that he was in possession of documents so highly classified that investigators couldn't legally describe them generally, or...)


Americans CANNNOT do nuance, they just cannot. The trial would be a fiasco, a decision would be rendered by one the dumbest and most biased groups in America (a jury), and acquittal or hung jury is at 99% surety. Facts be damned.

Think the OJ trial, and then amplify it 25x.

This one is over folks, not a chance for a federal indictment.

And before anybody claims otherwise, I have been and remain a vocal and stalwart supporter of lock him up, fark Trump. But, what is going to happen is a trickle of documents are going to come in from others and Americans will never be able to understand the difference.
 
2023-01-26 3:56:12 PM  

talkertopc: What a big waste of time, they should ask TFG to declassify them all with him mind.


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2023-01-26 3:56:53 PM  
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/Man, that was dusty
 
2023-01-26 3:56:55 PM  
I posted this before but I'll post it again.

I had a friend who died and old man while working for the military as a civilian.  After the funeral, his wife decided to clean out his room and discovered a TON of classified docs.  After the authorities searched the place the determined that he just brought his shiat home to work on (illegally) and had no nefarious purposes.  He was too lazy to be considered a spy (also there was no other evidence).

Had he been caught before he died, he would have certainly lost his clearance, fired, and possibly prosecuted.

/NCSB
 
2023-01-26 3:57:35 PM  
What about Sec. of State?
 
2023-01-26 3:58:00 PM  
Clinton: "I checked and just found a bunch of pictures of sluts, you want em?"
 
2023-01-26 3:59:15 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: talkertopc: What a big waste of time, they should ask TFG to declassify them all with him mind.

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2023-01-26 4:00:16 PM  

snocone: Note to self:
"The executive agencies sort classified information into three categories of escalating sensitivity: "confidential," "secret," and "top secret."


"Classified information" is kind of a silly way of putting it, especially when people on TV say "that's classified." That doesn't mean anything on its own. It's "classified secret." (or top secret, or confidential.) Saying "that's classified" is like saying "that's categorized."
 
2023-01-26 4:04:51 PM  
The BSABness of this entire debacle is astonishing.
 
2023-01-26 4:05:26 PM  

Rhymes With Silver: OtherLittleGuy: talkertopc: What a big waste of time, they should ask TFG to declassify them all with him mind.

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Um.  'ok. poop is coming out.... I swear.  I'm trying!'
 
2023-01-26 4:06:01 PM  

whidbey: The BSABness of this entire debacle is astonishing.


Only if you don't pay attention to anything
 
2023-01-26 4:06:02 PM  
This is one thing that President William Harrison got right.  He never stole no classified documents.
 
2023-01-26 4:06:05 PM  

mofa: When I retired after having a Secret clearance for 30 years and a Top Secret for 18 years, it took me all of two days to account for and dispose of all my classified documents, and most of that time was spent traveling to the half dozen SCIFs in which they were stored.

// I'd say that this isn't exactly rocket science, but I was technically a rocket scientist for a few years.


Apples and Oranges. The top few members of the executive branch are swimming in classified information. It's very easy to see a VP setting down a classified folder and later moving it so it's out of sight only later to find it. I recently found a Vise Grips that had been missing for nearly three years, it was under a laundry basket. I can easily see the same sort of scenario for anyone high up in the executive branch and I expect the Biden and Pence situations are pretty much that.

While all these reports are very disappointing I'd rather the POTUS and related branch members be allowed to take their non SCIF only work home than outright banning it.
 
2023-01-26 4:11:09 PM  
Trump has more.
 
2023-01-26 4:14:47 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: mofa: When I retired after having a Secret clearance for 30 years and a Top Secret for 18 years, it took me all of two days to account for and dispose of all my classified documents, and most of that time was spent traveling to the half dozen SCIFs in which they were stored.

// I'd say that this isn't exactly rocket science, but I was technically a rocket scientist for a few years.

Apples and Oranges. The top few members of the executive branch are swimming in classified information. It's very easy to see a VP setting down a classified folder and later moving it so it's out of sight only later to find it. I recently found a Vise Grips that had been missing for nearly three years, it was under a laundry basket. I can easily see the same sort of scenario for anyone high up in the executive branch and I expect the Biden and Pence situations are pretty much that.

While all these reports are very disappointing I'd rather the POTUS and related branch members be allowed to take their non SCIF only work home than outright banning it.


You didn't do laundry for three years?
 
2023-01-26 4:15:48 PM  
I think it would just be easier to change what the word classified means
 
2023-01-26 4:16:10 PM  
Has anyone checked Marilyn Monroe's closet?
 
2023-01-26 4:16:33 PM  

moothemagiccow: "Classified information" is kind of a silly way of putting it, especially when people on TV say "that's classified." That doesn't mean anything on its own. It's "classified secret." (or top secret, or confidential.) Saying "that's classified" is like saying "that's categorized."


It is, but it's not. It's possible to draw certain inferences from the actual classification level, whether it's the importance of the data or the means and methods that were used to acquire it.

I'm named the same as someone rather high up in DoD, and because of that, I've received some email "spillage" from a Lieutenant Colonel at the Pentagon when I was working as a DoD contractor. Dude just picked the wrong guy out of the global address book. It was during the Obama administration, and it was the President's lunch plan for a certain day (he was going to be away from the WH). OK, sure, classified because you wouldn't want a foreign bad actor to know it, but it wasn't going exactly nuclear secrets. It took me a second to even realize there was a "confidential" marking on the document.

It was such a "nothing" that I immediately became a good worker bee and reported it to my security manager because I figured it was the type of thing they'd do to make sure you followed procedure, and if you didn't, there'd be a mandatory hour-long online course on proper spillage procedure. No, it was legit- that LTC was just a dumbass.

There's a HUGE difference between that and TS docs marked SCI that deal with nuclear arms.
 
2023-01-26 4:21:39 PM  

moothemagiccow: snocone: Note to self:
"The executive agencies sort classified information into three categories of escalating sensitivity: "confidential," "secret," and "top secret."

"Classified information" is kind of a silly way of putting it, especially when people on TV say "that's classified." That doesn't mean anything on its own. It's "classified secret." (or top secret, or confidential.) Saying "that's classified" is like saying "that's categorized."


From now on when I see a slick government agent in a TV show or movie mysteriously beckon to classified information, I'll just assume what they mean is they have it laying around on their kitchen counter mixed in with their kids completed homework and school newsletters.
 
2023-01-26 4:22:53 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: I guarantee both Bushes had *something* that never made it back.


12 years of my life.
 
2023-01-26 4:23:51 PM  

whidbey: The BSABness of this entire debacle is astonishing.


That's right.  One side always is/does wrong and the other side always is/does right.
 
2023-01-26 4:24:06 PM  
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2023-01-26 4:24:33 PM  
None of the instances of documents found with others dilute Trump's intentional theft of top secret documents that he then lied about, hid, and made vulnerable (or worse) to disclosure to adverse interests, and his clear and present danger to our national security.
 
2023-01-26 4:24:36 PM  

LarryDan43: Trump has more.


You should call the FBI and tell them.
 
2023-01-26 4:25:05 PM  
They also request some fortune cookies from Bush 42's bowling alley document repository
 
2023-01-26 4:25:07 PM  

Squid_for_Brains: Why? If they're just going to let Trump keep and sell whatever he's still hiding, why does everyone else have to follow the rules?


Have they searched all Trump properties, including the kids and crash test dummy's place?  If not, WTF?
 
2023-01-26 4:25:59 PM  

mofa: When I retired after having a Secret clearance for 30 years and a Top Secret for 18 years, it took me all of two days to account for and dispose of all my classified documents, and most of that time was spent traveling to the half dozen SCIFs in which they were stored.

// I'd say that this isn't exactly rocket science, but I was technically a rocket scientist for a few years.


And you know damn well what would have happened to you had you been found to be mishandling those documents.
 
2023-01-26 4:26:17 PM  

Squid_for_Brains: Why? If they're just going to let Trump keep and sell whatever he's still hiding, why does everyone else have to follow the rules?


More worried about what Hugo the Living Doll gave away.
 
2023-01-26 4:26:56 PM  

Squid_for_Brains: Why? If they're just going to let Trump keep and sell whatever he's still hiding, why does everyone else have to follow the rules?


I don't understand comments like this.  Trump very likely does have more documents, and it is plausible that he would actually sell these documents, but there is no current actual evidence of the latter.

There is a serious and obvious attempt to BSAB this narrative, and making statements that are not factual is only going to strengthen that movement.

Use facts only when you talk about this topic.  Saying "trump sold documents" with no actual evidence is just going to let people call you out for being dishonest as well.

Concentrate on the whole 'willfully retained and lied about it' shiat to differentiate why Trump is the special farkface here.
 
2023-01-26 4:28:09 PM  
This is where we discover that there are classified documents buried under every single house Jimmy Carter had a hand in building.
 
2023-01-26 4:28:19 PM  

BizarreMan: Mr. Eugenides: mofa: When I retired after having a Secret clearance for 30 years and a Top Secret for 18 years, it took me all of two days to account for and dispose of all my classified documents, and most of that time was spent traveling to the half dozen SCIFs in which they were stored.

// I'd say that this isn't exactly rocket science, but I was technically a rocket scientist for a few years.

Apples and Oranges. The top few members of the executive branch are swimming in classified information. It's very easy to see a VP setting down a classified folder and later moving it so it's out of sight only later to find it. I recently found a Vise Grips that had been missing for nearly three years, it was under a laundry basket. I can easily see the same sort of scenario for anyone high up in the executive branch and I expect the Biden and Pence situations are pretty much that.

While all these reports are very disappointing I'd rather the POTUS and related branch members be allowed to take their non SCIF only work home than outright banning it.

You didn't do laundry for three years?


This IS Fark, after all...
 
2023-01-26 4:29:09 PM  
Has anyone looked in his tomb? Who and what secrets are buried there?
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2023-01-26 4:29:37 PM  
Oh wait, that's Bush 41, right
 
2023-01-26 4:29:40 PM  
This is really starting to smack of someone trying to build a narrative of "see, every former POTUS/VPOTUS has been guilty of retaining classified docs, it's an inevitable part of their job, so what TFG did was obviously no big deal!"

I don't know if the national archives is complicit in that attempt, but it sure seems like someone somewhere in the government is working hard to find a narrative here that they think would play well with the Fox News crowd.
 
2023-01-26 4:31:31 PM  
every president but one: "sure."
 
2023-01-26 4:31:50 PM  

LurkerSupreme: This is really starting to smack of someone trying to build a narrative of "see, every former POTUS/VPOTUS has been guilty of retaining classified docs, it's an inevitable part of their job, so what TFG did was obviously no big deal!"

I don't know if the national archives is complicit in that attempt, but it sure seems like someone somewhere in the government is working hard to find a narrative here that they think would play well with the Fox News crowd.


I really don't understand the math here.   How is it that the major MSM players have decided that more money is to be made trashing the Democrats instead of supporting them?
 
2023-01-26 4:31:56 PM  

DownStreamDreaming: There is a serious and obvious attempt to BSAB this narrative, and making statements that are not factual is only going to strengthen that movement.


It's not "just making shiat up" when we do it.
 
2023-01-26 4:33:30 PM  

LurkerSupreme: This is really starting to smack of someone trying to build a narrative of "see, every former POTUS/VPOTUS has been guilty of retaining classified docs, it's an inevitable part of their job, so what TFG did was obviously no big deal!"

I don't know if the national archives is complicit in that attempt, but it sure seems like someone somewhere in the government is working hard to find a narrative here that they think would play well with the Fox News crowd.


I wonder how many of the former presidents or vice presidents kept the best of their misplaced secret documents in a special leather bound portfolio in their bedroom safe
 
2023-01-26 4:34:59 PM  
I mean ... I'm not even mad anymore.

This is hilarious. I don't think it's a conspiracy to protect Ex-President Useless farkwad, he was never gonna get serious consequences for his farkery, Christ, his actions led directly to the deaths of hundreds of thousands, at least.

LOL
 
2023-01-26 4:37:49 PM  
Every former POTUS and VP ends up with a document or two that wasn't handled exactly to the letter, they deal with too much stuff.  It can be as simple as elements of the daily briefing.

One former President conspired with his cronies to STEAL classified information, and hide it at his residence/club in order to sell or exchange for political favors.

Huge farking difference between that case and all the rest.
 
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