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2023-01-26 11:29:41 AM  
Good. Stand up against those racist Republican fascists, I always say.
 
2023-01-26 2:52:07 PM  
Dear Ron:

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/from today's algorithm
 
2023-01-26 7:14:09 PM  
I find it amazing we don't actually live in the 21st Century.
 
2023-01-26 7:17:25 PM  
battle of the fatties! i'm team pritzker because i'm from IL in live in FL and he's NOT a bastard.....
 
2023-01-26 7:21:40 PM  
Jack Black has always OWNED Animal Planet.  They'll do anything he says.

He was the Kung Fu Panda.
 
2023-01-26 7:22:38 PM  
and live in floriduh. voted against Ronnie DeDeath. but barely anyone even voted.....

like 8 million people voted. but FL has 22 million people and almost 15 million registered voters.

voting shouldn't be as optional as it is
 
2023-01-26 7:26:14 PM  
"a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?
 
2023-01-26 7:26:20 PM  
Why are the republicans worried about dropping the soap?
 
2023-01-26 7:26:33 PM  

luna1580: and live in floriduh. voted against Ronnie DeDeath. but barely anyone even voted.....

like 8 million people voted. but FL has 22 million people and almost 15 million registered voters.

voting shouldn't be as optional as it is


Make it a federally mandated paid day off, but you only get paid if you show you voted.
 
2023-01-26 7:27:18 PM  

luna1580: and live in floriduh. voted against Ronnie DeDeath. but barely anyone even voted.....

like 8 million people voted. but FL has 22 million people and almost 15 million registered voters.

voting shouldn't be as optional as it is


The rest were felons... ;)

Hey there, hope all is well!
*runs*
 
2023-01-26 7:27:39 PM  

Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?


I'd guess he's referring to Stonewall.
 
2023-01-26 7:30:46 PM  
I kinda want to see more of this sort of curriculum-against-the-college-board. A little more of this in a few states and then those states' highschool graduates won't be educated enough to be accepted in accredited colleges. That seems interesting.

/Difficulty: I live in TX
// Little schnees have just about escaped from the TX "education" system
 
2023-01-26 7:31:18 PM  
Why does an AP course about black history need to include something called queer theory?
 
2023-01-26 7:35:44 PM  

Percise1: luna1580: and live in floriduh. voted against Ronnie DeDeath. but barely anyone even voted.....

like 8 million people voted. but FL has 22 million people and almost 15 million registered voters.

voting shouldn't be as optional as it is

The rest were felons... ;)

Hey there, hope all is well!
*runs*


percise! you are missed 😘

hey, WE voted to let felons vote again already! state repubs blocked the ballot initiative.....
 
2023-01-26 7:37:14 PM  

schnee: I kinda want to see more of this sort of curriculum-against-the-college-board. A little more of this in a few states and then those states' highschool graduates won't be educated enough to be accepted in accredited colleges. That seems interesting.

/Difficulty: I live in TX
// Little schnees have just about escaped from the TX "education" system


There's also the question of credit. If AP classes are standardized nation wide and the standard is forced to follow political radicals like DeSantis then are those AP classes really worth a college credit? They certainly wouldn't be teaching anyone real history.
 
2023-01-26 7:37:26 PM  

Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?


Well, a number of significant Black artists and thinkers of the Harlam Renaissance were gay, as well as later writers like Audre Lorde. It's pretty hard to talk about Audre Lorde without mentioning how extremely gay she was. Not mentioning these folks, or not mentioning their queerness, is to treat it like a dirty little secret.
 
2023-01-26 7:37:34 PM  
AP courses are not part of standard school curriculum. They are elective college-level courses geared towards students who have progressed beyond the standard curriculum. No one is being forced to take an AP class. The kids that voluntarily enroll in these courses should be intelligent and mature enough to not be offended by Critical Race Theory or other such topics. Any objections to the current AP courses are due to racism and I'm glad that Illinois is taking a stand on this issue.
 
2023-01-26 7:42:07 PM  

SomeFarkinFarmgirl: AP courses are not part of standard school curriculum. They are elective college-level courses geared towards students who have progressed beyond the standard curriculum. No one is being forced to take an AP class. The kids that voluntarily enroll in these courses should be intelligent and mature enough to not be offended by Critical Race Theory or other such topics. Any objections to the current AP courses are due to racism and I'm glad that Illinois is taking a stand on this issue.


Also homophobic as well because that's the "reasoning" Desantis is using to ban the course in its current form.
 
2023-01-26 7:44:14 PM  
"That's the wrong side of the line for Florida standards," DeSantis said. "We believe in teaching kids facts and how to think,

He just said the quiet part out loud.
 
2023-01-26 7:44:28 PM  

gonegirl: Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?

Well, a number of significant Black artists and thinkers of the Harlam Renaissance were gay, as well as later writers like Audre Lorde. It's pretty hard to talk about Audre Lorde without mentioning how extremely gay she was. Not mentioning these folks, or not mentioning their queerness, is to treat it like a dirty little secret.


Not to mention the whole Stonewall kerfuffle.
 
2023-01-26 7:44:43 PM  

Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?


The explicit reason given for the rejection of the course in Florida has to do with the presence in the curriculum of black "queer theory"(or whatever verbal diarrhea he gave in the press conference).
 
2023-01-26 7:44:51 PM  

luna1580: optional


Wierd way of saying suppressed. Voting should not be as suppressed as it was.
 
2023-01-26 7:46:03 PM  
JB has done a surprisingly good job for a billionaire politician.
 
2023-01-26 7:46:54 PM  

Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?


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if you have read his writings or seen his interviews and debates - get on that

upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size

when his dance company comes near you - go - he's not around but his life's work is living and breathing every day
 
2023-01-26 7:47:06 PM  

Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?


THAT close to getting it...

Jesus farking Christ, do better!!
 
2023-01-26 7:48:52 PM  
I voted for Pritzker both times. He may not be perfect, but he's a damn sight better than the alternatives like Bruce "my way or the highway because I'm the CEO of Illinois" Rauner.
 
2023-01-26 7:53:13 PM  

Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?


Do you like blues music?

Fark user imageView Full Size

"In the 20s and 30s, Bessie Smith, Ma Rainey, and Lucille Bogan were collectively known as "the big three of the blues," and were all open to an extent about their queer proclivities."

(B.D. stood for "Bull Dagger" or "Bull Dyke".)
Lucille Bogan - B.D. Woman's Blues (1935)
Youtube _nmrWB1ovQ0

Coming a time, B.D. women ain't gon' need no men
Coming a time, B.D. women ain't gon' do need no men
Oh, they way treat us is a lowdown and dirty sin

B.D. women, you sure can't understand
B.D. women, you sure can't understand
They got a head like a sweet angel and they walk just like a natural man

B.D. women, they all done learnt their plan
B.D. women, they all done learnt their plan
They can lay their jive just like a natural man

"But a tier below them, in the underground world of gay-friendly blues clubs, was an even more brazen performer: Gladys Bentley, who dressed in a tuxedo with short-cropped hair as she sang racy songs to full houses. "From the time I can remember anything," she told Ebony later in life, "even as I was toddling, I never wanted a man to touch me... Soon I began to feel more comfortable in boys clothes than in dresses."
The Harlem blues scene not only accepted Bentley but made her an underground celebrity. She packed nightclubs and speakeasies like Harry Hansberry's Clam House, which was gay-friendly and gay-themed, if not entirely catered to gay patrons. In the late 1920s and early 1930s, a "pansy craze" had gripped the city, drawing crowds of straight and/or white onlookers who were titillated by the black queer performers on stage. At the Clam House, Bentley was often backed by a chorus line of drag queens. She later moved to California where she frequently headlined at Mona's 440 Club ("Where girls will be boys") in San Francisco, often considered the first explicit lesbian bar in America."
https://timeline.com/lesbian-blues-harlem-secret-f3da10ec2334
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2023-01-26 7:53:15 PM  

FatherChaos: I voted for Pritzker both times. He may not be perfect, but he's a damn sight better than the alternatives like Bruce "my way or the highway because I'm the CEO of Illinois" Rauner.


That and Darren "I represent all the worst elements of Southern Illinois" Bailey.
 
2023-01-26 7:55:23 PM  

SomeFarkinFarmgirl: AP courses are not part of standard school curriculum. They are elective college-level courses geared towards students who have progressed beyond the standard curriculum. No one is being forced to take an AP class. The kids that voluntarily enroll in these courses should be intelligent and mature enough to not be offended by Critical Race Theory or other such topics. Any objections to the current AP courses are due to racism and I'm glad that Illinois is taking a stand on this issue.


Yes but have you considered that the WOKE  agenda is trying to WOKE our kids so they WOKE?!?!

WOOOOOOKKKKKKEEEEE

I am a very serious person and demand to be taken seriously.
 
2023-01-26 7:55:29 PM  

Mrtraveler01: "That's the wrong side of the line for Florida standards," DeSantis said. "We believe in teaching kids facts and how to think,

He just said the quiet part out loud.


Learning facts and critical thinking are good things that belong in education.

Things DeShiatus doesn't believe in doing.
 
2023-01-26 7:59:13 PM  
Frank Zappa called it in the 80s when he said republicans were on a course to lead this country into Facist Theocracy.

We're basically there in Red State America
 
2023-01-26 8:02:38 PM  

bobbifleckman: gonegirl: Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?

Well, a number of significant Black artists and thinkers of the Harlam Renaissance were gay, as well as later writers like Audre Lorde. It's pretty hard to talk about Audre Lorde without mentioning how extremely gay she was. Not mentioning these folks, or not mentioning their queerness, is to treat it like a dirty little secret.

Not to mention the whole Stonewall kerfuffle.


bhcompy: The explicit reason given for the rejection of the course in Florida has to do with the presence in the curriculum of black "queer theory"(or whatever verbal diarrhea he gave in the press conference).


Got it, thank you all...  I have no idea what that jackass said (I refuse to pay attention to him), so it made no sense to me. I know DeSatan is a racist bastard, but I didn't know he was taking the homophobic road to justify his insane "legislation" as well.

Let me just point out one thing: Well, a number of significant Black artists and thinkers of the Harlam Renaissance were gay

Seems to be pretty standard... makes no sense that "black" would change it. *shrug*
 
2023-01-26 8:02:46 PM  
Stubmitter can eat my ass.

That might sound like a compliment, but I'm pooping.
 
2023-01-26 8:03:48 PM  

Percise1: bobbifleckman: gonegirl: Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?

Well, a number of significant Black artists and thinkers of the Harlam Renaissance were gay, as well as later writers like Audre Lorde. It's pretty hard to talk about Audre Lorde without mentioning how extremely gay she was. Not mentioning these folks, or not mentioning their queerness, is to treat it like a dirty little secret.

Not to mention the whole Stonewall kerfuffle.

bhcompy: The explicit reason given for the rejection of the course in Florida has to do with the presence in the curriculum of black "queer theory"(or whatever verbal diarrhea he gave in the press conference).

Got it, thank you all...  I have no idea what that jackass said (I refuse to pay attention to him), so it made no sense to me. I know DeSatan is a racist bastard, but I didn't know he was taking the homophobic road to justify his insane "legislation" as well.

Let me just point out one thing: Well, a number of significant Black artists and thinkers of the Harlam Renaissance were gay

Seems to be pretty standard... makes no sense that "black" would change it. *shrug*


i need to tell you axe misses you too. hope you and your's are happy and healthy!
 
2023-01-26 8:06:32 PM  

keithgabryelski: Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1136]
if you have read his writings or seen his interviews and debates - get on that

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1229]
when his dance company comes near you - go - he's not around but his life's work is living and breathing every day


Nope, but then that isn't really my thing so far in life. Thank you for the information, I'll at least try to read up.
 
2023-01-26 8:06:33 PM  

Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?


Bayard Rustin was one of the key organizers of the March on Washington, organized Freedom Rides, helped organize the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

He was an important part of the civil rights movement.  He was very influential, but kept behind the scenes because he was gay.

The reason you're drawing a blank is because this kind of stuff generally isn't taught in school - which is a good reason that  courses should include the role played by queer black Americans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin
 
2023-01-26 8:11:19 PM  

Percise1: bobbifleckman: gonegirl: Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?

Well, a number of significant Black artists and thinkers of the Harlam Renaissance were gay, as well as later writers like Audre Lorde. It's pretty hard to talk about Audre Lorde without mentioning how extremely gay she was. Not mentioning these folks, or not mentioning their queerness, is to treat it like a dirty little secret.

Not to mention the whole Stonewall kerfuffle.

bhcompy: The explicit reason given for the rejection of the course in Florida has to do with the presence in the curriculum of black "queer theory"(or whatever verbal diarrhea he gave in the press conference).

Got it, thank you all...  I have no idea what that jackass said (I refuse to pay attention to him), so it made no sense to me. I know DeSatan is a racist bastard, but I didn't know he was taking the homophobic road to justify his insane "legislation" as well.

Let me just point out one thing: Well, a number of significant Black artists and thinkers of the Harlam Renaissance were gay

Seems to be pretty standard... makes no sense that "black" would change it. *shrug*


The AP course in question is African American Studies, so Black (and American) is kind of a recurring theme among the people being studied. DeSantis, in addition to being a racist GOPOS, is also a major proponent of Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law.  Homophobia's part of his brand. A class like this? It's got everything he hates.
 
2023-01-26 8:11:36 PM  

gonegirl: e. It's pretty hard to talk about Audre Lorde without mentioning how extremely gay she was. Not mentioning these folks, or not mentioning their queerness, is to treat it like a dirty little secret.


Why?   In all my years in school, of all the times we talked about John Adams I don't remember what type of sexual partner he preferred being mentioned even a single time.
 
2023-01-26 8:13:26 PM  

Mrtraveler01: "That's the wrong side of the line for Florida standards," DeSantis said. "We believe in teaching kids facts and how to think,

He just said the quiet part out loud.


What quiet part?  Did he say [How to] think, or [how] to think?
 
2023-01-26 8:15:19 PM  

God_Almighty_Himself: Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?

THAT close to getting it...

Jesus farking Christ, do better!!


And you!
Not everyone knows/is exposed to everything. I'm certain I can run you in circles in my areas of expertise, so maybe you should answer honest questions with the intent to inform rather than just being a little biatch.

See my next post to learn how to unbiatch from someone else.
 
2023-01-26 8:15:37 PM  

Mrtraveler01: FatherChaos: I voted for Pritzker both times. He may not be perfect, but he's a damn sight better than the alternatives like Bruce "my way or the highway because I'm the CEO of Illinois" Rauner.

That and Darren "I represent all the worst elements of Southern Illinois" Bailey.


Haven't been in SoIll in eight years, so this guy isn't familiar. Is he worse than Mike Bost?
 
2023-01-26 8:18:00 PM  

Mrtraveler01: "That's the wrong side of the line for Florida standards," DeSantis said. "We believe in teaching kids facts and how to think,

He just said the quiet part out loud.


Teaching someone how to think is different than telling them what to think. That's the point DeSantis is making.

Present facts.  Let students draw their own conclusions.
 
2023-01-26 8:21:12 PM  

Psychopompous: Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?

Do you like blues music?

[Fark user image 850x1133]
"In the 20s and 30s, Bessie Smith, Ma Rainey, and Lucille Bogan were collectively known as "the big three of the blues," and were all open to an extent about their queer proclivities."

(B.D. stood for "Bull Dagger" or "Bull Dyke".)
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_nmrWB1ovQ0]
Coming a time, B.D. women ain't gon' need no men
Coming a time, B.D. women ain't gon' do need no men
Oh, they way treat us is a lowdown and dirty sin

B.D. women, you sure can't understand
B.D. women, you sure can't understand
They got a head like a sweet angel and they walk just like a natural man

B.D. women, they all done learnt their plan
B.D. women, they all done learnt their plan
They can lay their jive just like a natural man

"But a tier below them, in the underground world of gay-friendly blues clubs, was an even more brazen performer: Gladys Bentley, who dressed in a tuxedo with short-cropped hair as she sang racy songs to full houses. "From the time I can remember anything," she told Ebony later in life, "even as I was toddling, I never wanted a man to touch me... Soon I began to feel more comfortable in boys clothes than in dresses."
The Harlem blues scene not only accepted Bentley but made her an underground celebrity. She packed nightclubs and speakeasies like Harry Hansberry's Clam House, which was gay-friendly and gay-themed, if not entirely catered to gay patrons. In the late 1920s and early 1930s, a "pansy craze" had gripped the city, drawing crowds of straight and/or white onlookers who were titillated by the black queer performers on stage. At the Clam House, Bentley was often backed by a chorus line of drag queens. She later moved to California where sh ...


Ahh, very nice. My blues are more "recent" BB King, Alfred King, Stevie Ray Vaughan so I don't recognize those performers but you have made the point well and clear. Thank you.
 
2023-01-26 8:24:36 PM  

Brandi Morgan: The reason you're drawing a blank is because this kind of stuff generally isn't taught in school - which is a good reason that courses should include the role played by queer black Americans.


Yes, and agreed.

Lochsteppe: DeSantis, in addition to being a racist GOPOS, is also a major proponent of Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law. Homophobia's part of his brand. A class like this? It's got everything he hates.


Same vein, same problem.
I wasn't knocking the curriculum, I simply didn't understand the import or problem with it.
Don't like it, don't take the farking course! No one will rewrite history to please you.
 
2023-01-26 8:26:56 PM  

FatherChaos: I voted for Pritzker both times. He may not be perfect, but he's a damn sight better than the alternatives like Bruce "my way or the highway because I'm the CEO of Illinois" Rauner.


Funny story:

My wife was a department head at SIUC for five years in the 2010s; my daughter went to a tiny private "hippy" STEM school in Carbondale. One of her classmates was the son of a particular Department chair, and has problems with his verbal filters, prone to say whatever comes to mind.

We went back to help be docents for the 2017 eclipse, and the son is hanging out with us; we get him behind the scenes with us. Eclipse time rolls around; I'm on the roof of the football stadium, the kid is there, and Rauner and his wife show up. I spend about ten minutes showing Mrs. Rauner the eclipse with a sun funnel, while the young man is chatting up Rauner (who's impressed with the kid's knowledge). Rauner and wife turn to walk away, and as they're leaving, the kid calls out, "By the way--my parents are both professors here and they both hate your guts!"

Of course, the whole of totality was blotted out by a single large cloud that parked over the Sun and didn't move. A mile away across campus, they saw the whole thing.

And if anyone chooses to feel sorry for Rauner: his very first act as Governor was to end state funding for the care of autistic children.

Asshole.
 
2023-01-26 8:27:49 PM  

luna1580: i need to tell you axe misses you too. hope you and your's are happy and healthy!


Thanks! Same to you (and axe) as well, of course.
I'm doing ok... been busy, a lotta family drama but I really shouldn't complain. Just needed a breather and different focus for a bit. I'll be back and grumpy as ever before you know it... ;)
*hug*
 
2023-01-26 8:28:56 PM  

Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?


How about Rock 'n Roll?
Big Mama Thornton - Hound Dog (1952) Blues
Youtube yoHDrzw-RPg

Definitely worth a listen. Elvis was a pale imitation.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skarlan/angelic-troublemakers
 
2023-01-26 8:31:25 PM  

Percise1: "a factual accounting of history, including the role played by black queer Americans."

OK, maybe I failed this course, butt... I'm drawing a blank on the role played by "black queer Americans", other than being themselves?
What am I missing here?


Yeah that's the problem. You were taught a white washed christianized version of history.
 
2023-01-26 8:33:06 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: gonegirl: e. It's pretty hard to talk about Audre Lorde without mentioning how extremely gay she was. Not mentioning these folks, or not mentioning their queerness, is to treat it like a dirty little secret.

Why?   In all my years in school, of all the times we talked about John Adams I don't remember what type of sexual partner he preferred being mentioned even a single time.


You're so close, yet so far away.
 
2023-01-26 8:33:25 PM  
Good for Pritzker. Thats it. Thats how you govern.
 
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