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(NPR)   It's starting to look like Boeing may face criminal fraud charges for all those 737 Max crashes despite a plea deal that had taken those off the table, concerning many who feel that corporations should never be held legally responsible for anything   (npr.org) divider line
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419 clicks; posted to Business » and Main » on 26 Jan 2023 at 7:35 AM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2023-01-26 7:39:33 AM  
Have they tried blaming the pilots for being incompetent foreigners?  Fark tried that really hard.

Stick and rudder 101, boys!

/still makes me laugh

/successfully predicted the weather for the next 1,000 years
 
2023-01-26 7:40:47 AM  
I notice a staggering lack of names of the actual human beings that are being charged. Are they going to lug in a giant Boeing logo? Do they have a mascot?
 
2023-01-26 7:42:48 AM  

holdmybones: I notice a staggering lack of names of the actual human beings that are being charged. Are they going to lug in a giant Boeing logo? Do they have a mascot?


I'm sure Boeing will be able to dig up a few 40-something Project Managers who bear all responsibility for every decision that led to each crash.
 
2023-01-26 7:45:36 AM  
Boeing puts are back on the menu boys!
 
2023-01-26 7:47:50 AM  
Good

/Stephen King's ghost writer
 
2023-01-26 7:48:12 AM  
Boeing should be charged with felony murder.

They were in the commission of a felony -- defrauding the government -- when those planes fell from the sky.

/Yes, corporations are legally persons and can be charged with such crimes
 
2023-01-26 7:50:09 AM  
It sounds eerily familiar with the Cosby plea deal.  If they have immunity from prosecution, they should have immunity from prosecution.  That said, if someone granted them that, they need a good dick punch.
 
2023-01-26 8:04:12 AM  

sleze: It sounds eerily familiar with the Cosby plea deal.  If they have immunity from prosecution, they should have immunity from prosecution.  That said, if someone granted them that, they need a good dick punch.


Sick and tired of corporations and the rich of abusing the system like this. They get sweetheart deals while the rest of us get shafted.

There was a woman named Anslie Brantley. She took some drugs and fell asleep with her baby in the tub. The baby subsequently died and she's being charged with felony murder.

It was accidental, much like what happened with Boeing, but it was negligent. Where is her sweetheart deal? Where? Why can't she just pay a big fine and be released from jail?

farking Boeing, fark Cosby, and fark the enablers of such a horrendous system.
 
2023-01-26 8:24:56 AM  

Thoreny: Boeing should be charged with felony murder.

They were in the commission of a felony -- defrauding the government -- when those planes fell from the sky.

/Yes, corporations are legally persons and can be charged with such crimes


Jailing the board of directors is the only logical course of action.  Justice demands it.
 
2023-01-26 8:59:52 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Thoreny: Boeing should be charged with felony murder.

They were in the commission of a felony -- defrauding the government -- when those planes fell from the sky.

/Yes, corporations are legally persons and can be charged with such crimes

Jailing the board of directors is the only logical course of action.  Justice demands it.


Ever look up the board members on any given company in the Fortune 500?

Let's look at Boeing:

Board of Directors
Robert A. Bradway Chairman and CEO, Amgen Inc.

David L. Calhoun President and CEO, The Boeing Company

Lynne M. Doughtie Former U.S. Chairman and CEO, KPMG

David L. Gitlin Chairman and CEO, Carrier Global Corporation

Lynn J. Good Chairman, President and CEO, Duke Energy Corporation

Stayce D. Harris Former United Airlines Pilot; Former Inspector General, U.S. Air Force

Akhil Johri Former Executive Vice President and CFO, United Technologies Corporation

David L. Joyce Former President and CEO, GE Aviation; Former Vice Chair, General Electric Company

Lawrence W. Kellner, Chair of the Board Former Chairman and CEO, Continental Airlines, Inc.

Steven M. Mollenkopf Former CEO, Qualcomm Incorporated

John M. Richardson 31st Chief of Naval Operations, U.S. Navy; Former Director of the Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program, U.S. Navy

Ronald A. Williams Former Chairman, President and CEO, Aetna Inc.

How much do you think their combined net worth is?

You already have 3 current execs from other companies sitting on the Boeing board.  And that's legal.
 
2023-01-26 9:04:32 AM  

null: Stayce D. Harris Former United Airlines Pilot; Former Inspector General, U.S. Air Force


That's reassuring.
 
2023-01-26 9:09:16 AM  
You know what I want?  I want an interactive website where I can click on any given big company, political action committee, 501(c)(3) or other charity, or any state legislature or executive body or Congress or the federal executive, find who is part of the board or C-suite or who is the ambassador to Lichtenstein or who is on the state cow college board of regents, click on them, and the site tells me who they've worked for and are currently working for, who else they're on the boards with, and so on, and it also displays one of those dynamically updating web things showing their ties elsewhere.  With kind of a Bacon number thing going on so I can tie Boeing to say Mitch McKoopa in 2 steps.

Mind you, apparently George Santos will have a number of both 0 and √(-1) since he is simultaneously everywhere and everyone at the same time while also making up everything.

/Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!
 
2023-01-26 9:14:54 AM  
After watching the documentary that describes this whole thing on Netflix they should be going to jail
 
2023-01-26 9:17:26 AM  

sleze: It sounds eerily familiar with the Cosby plea deal.  If they have immunity from prosecution, they should have immunity from prosecution.  That said, if someone granted them that, they need a good dick punch.


Only if you fully cooperate with the prosecuting entity, Boeing probably has done something to violate that plea deal so then it's invalid
 
2023-01-26 10:25:55 AM  
The corporation should not be held criminally responsible. Civilly liable? Sure. Criminally liable, nope.

Hear me out.

If there was criminal fraud, the PEOPLE who made the suggestion/decision to knowingly commit criminal fraud and anyone who knowingly went along with or facilitated the fraud should be held criminally liable.

If you hold the corporation criminally liable, the corporation faces fines that will go to the state and often do little to help the victims themselves. Oh yeah, promises of the money being used to care for or compensate the victims will be made, but they rarely follow through to any meaningful extent.

Further the fines will often be same enough that they have no significant, long term impact on the company. A two or three year hit on the balance sheet at best.

If you make the fine large enough to do real damage, you risk hurting a lot of people who had nothing to do with the criminal act. Employees and people who have their pensions wound up in the company's stock among others.

And the company will often settle (accept a plea) without really admitting to any wrong doing by any specific member of management or the staff.

Now, if a guy in the C Suite thinks that a little "harmless fudging of some test numbers" might result in jail time and significant personal fines, he might think twice about it. If a guy in R&D thinks skipping some important tests or ignoring potentially negative test results might send him to jail, he might think twice about it.

I'm not saying every time somebody dies because of a design flaw in a product someone should be charged with murder, I'm saying there's a difference between an engineering error and intentionally cutting corners and releasing a defective product because you cut corners or ignored problems.
 
2023-01-26 11:14:41 AM  
"Also filing to speak in court Thursday are Michael Stumo and Nadia Milleron of Massachusetts, parents of Samya Rose Stumo, 24, who also died in the Ethiopian crash; and Paul Njoroge, a Kenyan who was living in Toronto at the time of the Ethiopian crash, which killed his wife, his three children, and his mother-in-law."

Stumo is the CEO of my wife's company. He's a trainwreck, but he was born that way. This tragedy is just taking up most of his time these days while the CEO duties go mostly untended.

We'll see if Boeing's behavior is enough to pierce the corporate veil & make some of the heads of the company personally liable. Not holding my breath.
 
2023-01-26 11:30:05 AM  
Asked about the arraignment and the families being allowed to speak out in an interview on CNBC Wednesday morning, Boeing CEO David Calhoun said, "My reaction to the families is always the same, just nothing but heartbreak."
He said that their views were "a good reminder ... of how important safety is for all of us. Any and every hearing they want to express those views is OK with me."



Oh fark off you corporate piece of shiat
 
2023-01-26 12:43:49 PM  

holdmybones: null: Stayce D. Harris Former United Airlines Pilot; Former Inspector General, U.S. Air Force

That's reassuring.


Retired General. It's the same club.
 
2023-01-26 1:50:35 PM  
I'm not making excuses for Boeing here but, my how quickly everyone has forgotten these other horrific fly-by-wire, lack-of-training related plane crashes. Lockheed, Airbus, Airbus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines_Flight_401

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296Q

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593
 
2023-01-26 4:28:05 PM  

null: Marcus Aurelius: Thoreny: Boeing should be charged with felony murder.

They were in the commission of a felony -- defrauding the government -- when those planes fell from the sky.

/Yes, corporations are legally persons and can be charged with such crimes

Jailing the board of directors is the only logical course of action.  Justice demands it.

Ever look up the board members on any given company in the Fortune 500?

Let's look at Boeing:

Board of Directors
Robert A. Bradway Chairman and CEO, Amgen Inc.

David L. Calhoun President and CEO, The Boeing Company

Lynne M. Doughtie Former U.S. Chairman and CEO, KPMG

David L. Gitlin Chairman and CEO, Carrier Global Corporation

Lynn J. Good Chairman, President and CEO, Duke Energy Corporation

Stayce D. Harris Former United Airlines Pilot; Former Inspector General, U.S. Air Force

Akhil Johri Former Executive Vice President and CFO, United Technologies Corporation

David L. Joyce Former President and CEO, GE Aviation; Former Vice Chair, General Electric Company

Lawrence W. Kellner, Chair of the Board Former Chairman and CEO, Continental Airlines, Inc.

Steven M. Mollenkopf Former CEO, Qualcomm Incorporated

John M. Richardson 31st Chief of Naval Operations, U.S. Navy; Former Director of the Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program, U.S. Navy

Ronald A. Williams Former Chairman, President and CEO, Aetna Inc.

How much do you think their combined net worth is?

You already have 3 current execs from other companies sitting on the Boeing board.  And that's legal.


I'm surprised Al Gore isn't in that list. He used to be on so many boards
 
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