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2023-01-25 2:06:06 PM  
This week we're going to try something different. Not because the weekly Poorly Researched Writer's Profile wasn't working or anything (I mean, that's never stopped me before) but a couple comments in last week's thread brought up a very salient point for a topic for this week's thread: the art of the pitch!

An elevator pitch is "a way to quickly tell someone about your book in a way that makes them want to buy it" according to this link, which describes it as a 26 word high-concept sentence that distills a novel down to its core idea. The goal, of course, is to get the listener to say the magic words 'tell me more.' It could be the back-cover text of your book that you use to try to convince someone to buy it, if they like the cover enough to pick it up off the shelf in a bookstore.

Writer's Thread Question of the Week!

So here's the scene: you're in an elevator, holding your manuscript, and suddenly the doors open and a rich and brilliant publisher steps in and asks you "What have you got there?"

(Look, less plausible plots get published every year.)

How do you pitch your work?

Writer's Thread Prompt of the Week!

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"The attack of the sentient construction vehicles would have been much more deadly had they not been polite enough to obey street signs."
 
2023-01-25 3:06:23 PM  
I think the complete destruction of the world economy is a little worse than Katrina.
 
2023-01-25 3:06:32 PM  
The Trillion Dollar Coin... it's time has come.
 
2023-01-25 3:13:05 PM  
In it's 5th year of self-awareness Trackhoe CZ-8365 decides to end the problem of those who walk when the signal clearly says not to.
 
2023-01-25 3:18:46 PM  

SomeAmerican: The Trillion Dollar Coin... it's time has come.


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2023-01-25 3:20:06 PM  
It was broke when I got here so I have no idea why it's working now.
 
2023-01-25 3:22:02 PM  
I imagine you could cut a LOT of the US budget if you eliminated contracts and things for stuff the US doesn't use but keeps buying to make Congress Critter X, Y, and Z's districts happy while still having an amazing military. Also not only could those savings go to reduced spending but also to veterans care more instead of some rich guy's 3rd+ boat/house/whatever.
 
2023-01-25 3:24:44 PM  
The Republicans were Sure it would work this time. They'd threaten to destroy the US economy and then the world economy unless their demands were met. They felt their demands justified the extreme measures. After all, old people collecting Social Security checks and getting government healthcare through Medicare was just Socialism (shudder). Surely the American people would side with Patriotic Republicans who wanted to stop feeding hungry children so trust fund babies could have another yacht. Their internal polling clearly showed the massive popularity of a nationwide abortion ban that also made contraception illegal, as well as repealing the vote for all but white landowners. It's clearly God's will that women, coloreds and poors be punished - otherwise He would have made them rich, white, and male!

Yep, there's no way DemonRats would stand in the way of the holy jihad of justice this time - and if they did, clearly the American people would blame those DemonRats.
Right?
 
2023-01-25 3:25:11 PM  
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2023-01-25 3:30:53 PM  
The advancement of human cyber-enhancements didn't change one rascal's criminality, but did add some excitement when he ran afoul of the defense industry and the mob.
 
2023-01-25 3:52:33 PM  
the old dude might walk right into WWIII and someone is worries about money ??
 
2023-01-25 3:52:39 PM  
"Science fiction, fantasy, action, horror, humor, aliens, gods, demons, heroes, villains, ghosts, and things which go bump in the night- assembled in a single volume."

Not particularly catchy, but accurate.

Take a look at some outstanding cover art, to which is attached my anthology: Feral Imagination- available from Amazon and Barnes & Noble.
 
2023-01-25 3:55:55 PM  
"What kind of person does it take to reverse engineer actual magic? Mr Robot meets H.P. Lovecraft" was close to what I used for #PitMad for a while.
 
2023-01-25 3:56:32 PM  
I had a great Magazine Writing class, and one of our assignments was to write and send a "query letter" to a publisher.

We had a freelance writer as a guest speaker, and he said something really valuable. He said if you pitch query letters to ten different publishers, and you only get back one response, and it's a No, you're still doing really well. All the youngsters in the class groaned out loud, but I found that very, very helpful.

In my case, I didn't hear back for about six months, then the editor of our free weekly events magazine emailed me. He said he liked my idea, and that another writer hadn't turned in their article, and said if I could write 500 words on it by tomorrow morning, he'd print it in this week's issue. So, I'm guessing he read my pitch months ago, when I sent it. Then he only contacted me when he needed it. There's something there to remember, when you send a pich.

Of course, I satyed up all night fini
 
2023-01-25 4:01:59 PM  

toraque: So here's the scene: you're in an elevator, holding your manuscript, and suddenly the doors open and a rich and brilliant publisher steps in and asks you "What have you got there?"


Dumpster fire prince and his seven new best friends plot to kill a god. Queer rep including trans and enby core cast, POC cast. Magic, sword fights, dragons, and friendly eldritch horrors. Think Game of Thrones, except it did a lot of drugs, went to a pride parade and didn't kill the core cast.

or, alternatively:

Professional henchmen on an Earth populated with superheroes is in the right place at the worst time, and is hired by an eight year old to hunt down and punch the man responsible for the problem. Features mad science, a clandestine government agency, a volcano island base and hyperintelligent rats running a news service. Agents of Shield for weary millennials whose apartment complex got wiped out by Superman by accident.
 
2023-01-25 4:06:23 PM  
I always recommend Atchison's "Writing Treatments That Sell", as a treatment is sort of like a pich letter. Specifically, that book if for writing a summary of your screenplay, between two and thirty pages. It's a lot like explaining to your friend about the cool movie you just watched.

Writing the treatment helps you strengthen your story arc, find spots needing work, so is valuable for any story form.

And from your treatment, you can further distill it down to an even shorter elevator pitch.
 
2023-01-25 4:08:05 PM  
My current idea? I'd pitch it as "A satire of social media that's a parody of The Matrix.  It explores how social media tells you you're important while it manipulates you."

/Gotta start writing it sometime.
//Anyone know of a place that will pay you for short stories?
 
2023-01-25 4:28:34 PM  
I personally believe it's already past saving. Much like global warming, there is no longer a "credible path" to preventing the worst outcome.

Our mandatory outlays (ex. interest on the debt to avoid a default, repaying social security payments that we "borrowed" in the past; the things we are contractually obligated to provide) EXCEED our tax revenue. So even if we cut the entire non-mandatory budget to $0.00, and didn't even pay the senators their salaries, we would still need to borrow the interest on our previous borrowing. And then borrow the interest on that.

The only thing that could stop it at this point is a drastic raise in tax revenue, double to treble. No one's going to do that, of course. Same with greenhouse gases: the only thing that can save us is a measure so extreme it would be political suicide; anyone who proposed actually preventing the worst would be voted out in favor of someone who let it slide.

So that is simply "It"; there's no other way to prevent a megacatastrophe. We're going to keep borrowing interest until we suck up all the ready liquidity in the market, the interest rates hiat 20-30%, and then we shall default. we have already achieved 'Tailspin'. It's already happened.

Is it the end of the world, as the 90 seconds to Midnight people claimed yesterday? No. Life will go on. We'll simply have a second great depression, life will really suck for 10-20 years or so, a couple hundred million people will starve to death worldwide, and we'll probably see a bunch of wars, mostly over non-droughted farmland. The Great Powers of The US, Russia, and China will probably be severely weakened if not break up entirely, and different Great Powers will emerge to fill the power vacuum. It will go mostly according to schedule of the previous megacatastrophies in Humanity's history: The Bronze Age Collapse, Fall of Rome, and the Black Death. The actors have hit their marks swimmingly so far; so, there should be no problem running this play again.
 
2023-01-25 4:35:36 PM  
Why drag Biden into this?  This twisted power play is on the republicans only, all republicans-only republicans.
 
2023-01-25 4:40:26 PM  
I'm not participating this time, but at Savvy Writers they have twice yearly pitchfests that are free plus a workshop to hone your pitch that costs a little (oops it's sold out).  It's coming up.
Pitch any fiction or nonfiction to agents and publishers.
Feb 15-17
https://savvyauthors.com/community/classes/2023-sweetheart-pitchfest.1938/
 
2023-01-25 4:45:35 PM  
Verification of my earlier post:the paid workshop to polish your pitch is sold out but the whole 3 day pitch experience is free and open to anyone.
 
2023-01-25 4:54:53 PM  
Has anyone written a choose-your-own-adventure/Lone Wolf/Avenger style story before? I'm thinking about doing one, but I'm not sure how to map it out.

My latest long-format stuff hasn't always been the best planned, I like to feel it out and let a certain amount of the characters push the next steps, but I think for something like that, you've got to have a really clear path laid out well in advance.
 
2023-01-25 4:58:52 PM  

Quenya: Why drag Biden into this?  This twisted power play is on the republicans only, all republicans-only republicans.


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2023-01-25 5:23:11 PM  

Sim Tree: I personally believe it's already past saving. Much like global warming, there is no longer a "credible path" to preventing the worst outcome.

Our mandatory outlays (ex. interest on the debt to avoid a default, repaying social security payments that we "borrowed" in the past; the things we are contractually obligated to provide) EXCEED our tax revenue. So even if we cut the entire non-mandatory budget to $0.00, and didn't even pay the senators their salaries, we would still need to borrow the interest on our previous borrowing. And then borrow the interest on that.

The only thing that could stop it at this point is a drastic raise in tax revenue, double to treble. No one's going to do that, of course. Same with greenhouse gases: the only thing that can save us is a measure so extreme it would be political suicide; anyone who proposed actually preventing the worst would be voted out in favor of someone who let it slide.

So that is simply "It"; there's no other way to prevent a megacatastrophe. We're going to keep borrowing interest until we suck up all the ready liquidity in the market, the interest rates hiat 20-30%, and then we shall default. we have already achieved 'Tailspin'. It's already happened.

Is it the end of the world, as the 90 seconds to Midnight people claimed yesterday? No. Life will go on. We'll simply have a second great depression, life will really suck for 10-20 years or so, a couple hundred million people will starve to death worldwide, and we'll probably see a bunch of wars, mostly over non-droughted farmland. The Great Powers of The US, Russia, and China will probably be severely weakened if not break up entirely, and different Great Powers will emerge to fill the power vacuum. It will go mostly according to schedule of the previous megacatastrophies in Humanity's history: The Bronze Age Collapse, Fall of Rome, and the Black Death. The actors have hit their marks swimmingly so far; so, there should be no problem running this play again.


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2023-01-25 5:23:44 PM  
Katrina was a symbol of Bush's presidential failure to do his duty like a normal president in a major existential crisis. Biden hasn't had a Katrina yet, and Trump's whole life is his lifelong Katrina, like the Great Red Spot on Jupiter.

I would say blackmailing America with debt limits is about 100 Katrina's, a super-storm of science fiction proportions. C'est du chantage. This is the Party of Obstruction's Katrina.
 
2023-01-25 5:24:53 PM  

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Mike Myers for President 2024,
 
2023-01-25 5:34:58 PM  
My current elevator pitch is "The Martian meets The Power." I've got a pretty good query letter by now, at least.
 
2023-01-25 5:42:36 PM  

Quenya: Why drag Biden into this?  This twisted power play is on the republicans only, all republicans-only republicans.


The New York Times Pitchbot is a parody account.

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2023-01-25 5:54:25 PM  

Fireproof: My current idea? I'd pitch it as "A satire of social media that's a parody of The Matrix.  It explores how social media tells you you're important while it manipulates you."

/Gotta start writing it sometime.
//Anyone know of a place that will pay you for short stories?


Black Mirror episodes?
Jennifer Government?
Glitterati?
Girl Gone Viral?
The Circle?
Feed?
The Hive?
Future Feeling?

I'm not listing these to make you feel bad. I'm listening them to point out you're potentially writing a book in a VERY populated space. You might want to work on this pitch, and I hope you have a great hook.
 
2023-01-25 7:08:24 PM  
It's about three friends who decide to get into fortune telling. To see the future one of the friends repurposes a probe destined for finding life in the galaxy, in to a sports gambling program. Shera the prescient program uses her capabilities to amass a small fortune gambling. This gets the attention of gangsters who want to use her, and the sports book that want her shut down. Her protection comes from the partners, the programmer, and the son of a fortune teller, who has decided to enter the family business. Along with the love of his life, they face the gangsters and the corporations, along with the FBI as they endure a wedding day unlike any sense Kill Bill.
 
2023-01-25 7:33:41 PM  

mad cowboy: It's about three friends who decide to get into fortune telling. To see the future one of the friends repurposes a probe destined for finding life in the galaxy, in to a sports gambling program. Shera the prescient program uses her capabilities to amass a small fortune gambling. This gets the attention of gangsters who want to use her, and the sports book that want her shut down. Her protection comes from the partners, the programmer, and the son of a fortune teller, who has decided to enter the family business. Along with the love of his life, they face the gangsters and the corporations, along with the FBI as they endure a wedding day unlike any sense Kill Bill.


It's funny, that's what the book is about, or supposed to be. I'm final editing it, for the first time, but that was the story. What's bugging me is that I think it could be more popular with young adults, sadly maybe even girls. I wrote the story for me of course, but I kept the action and dialog kind of clean. I still went there but instead of calling a mob boss a killer, I referred to him as someone who feeds people to the fish. Even sex, I wrote making the oh face, as a referral to sex. Worse I wrote, Yeah though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the baddest M Fer in the valley. M Fer? Shame on me, and I've done it before. I also made the fortune teller an optimist, you know how obnoxious they can be. I did make one good hero, out of a debt collector for the bad guys. Six foot five inches of tough guy who takes a liking to the fortune teller, and his gift of reading the future through the cards.

"Thanks for your time," I says, as the man runs out of the elevator.
 
2023-01-25 8:11:40 PM  
No. Now go fu*K off.
 
2023-01-25 8:22:05 PM  
Stalin meets God 

mad cowboy: mad cowboy: It's about three friends who decide to get into fortune telling. To see the future one of the friends repurposes a probe destined for finding life in the galaxy, in to a sports gambling program. Shera the prescient program uses her capabilities to amass a small fortune gambling. This gets the attention of gangsters who want to use her, and the sports book that want her shut down. Her protection comes from the partners, the programmer, and the son of a fortune teller, who has decided to enter the family business. Along with the love of his life, they face the gangsters and the corporations, along with the FBI as they endure a wedding day unlike any sense Kill Bill.


That's a 5-story broken escalator pitch..

One of three friends repurposes a NASA probe into SHERA, a gambling machine. As they become rich, gangsters and Sports Books react homicidally.  The friends, along with a manic-pixie wife, fight back and win, culminating in the bloodiest wedding day since Kill Bill.

Or, in terms of movies

HAL from 2001 meets Office Space (trust me!) and Kill Bill ensues!!!
 
2023-01-25 8:45:44 PM  

rwellor: Stalin meets God mad cowboy: mad cowboy: It's about three friends who decide to get into fortune telling. To see the future one of the friends repurposes a probe destined for finding life in the galaxy, in to a sports gambling program. Shera the prescient program uses her capabilities to amass a small fortune gambling. This gets the attention of gangsters who want to use her, and the sports book that want her shut down. Her protection comes from the partners, the programmer, and the son of a fortune teller, who has decided to enter the family business. Along with the love of his life, they face the gangsters and the corporations, along with the FBI as they endure a wedding day unlike any sense Kill Bill.

That's a 5-story broken escalator pitch..

One of three friends repurposes a NASA probe into SHERA, a gambling machine. As they become rich, gangsters and Sports Books react homicidally.  The friends, along with a manic-pixie wife, fight back and win, culminating in the bloodiest wedding day since Kill Bill.

Or, in terms of movies

HAL from 2001 meets Office Space (trust me!) and Kill Bill ensues!!!


I like the movie angle.  I actually named the character after 2001. That's where David came in. If I'm going to pitch that way I'd add in Hal from 2001 meets "Good fellows" meets "Office Space?" and it ends in "kill Bill"
 
2023-01-25 9:15:43 PM  

mad cowboy: rwellor: Stalin meets God mad cowboy: mad cowboy: It's about three friends who decide to get into fortune telling. To see the future one of the friends repurposes a probe destined for finding life in the galaxy, in to a sports gambling program. Shera the prescient program uses her capabilities to amass a small fortune gambling. This gets the attention of gangsters who want to use her, and the sports book that want her shut down. Her protection comes from the partners, the programmer, and the son of a fortune teller, who has decided to enter the family business. Along with the love of his life, they face the gangsters and the corporations, along with the FBI as they endure a wedding day unlike any sense Kill Bill.

That's a 5-story broken escalator pitch..

One of three friends repurposes a NASA probe into SHERA, a gambling machine. As they become rich, gangsters and Sports Books react homicidally.  The friends, along with a manic-pixie wife, fight back and win, culminating in the bloodiest wedding day since Kill Bill.

Or, in terms of movies

HAL from 2001 meets Office Space (trust me!) and Kill Bill ensues!!!

I like the movie angle.  I actually named the character after 2001. That's where David came in. If I'm going to pitch that way I'd add in Hal from 2001 meets "Good fellows" meets "Office Space?" and it ends in "kill Bill"


Yeah.. I'd note I idiotically left out the gambling thing.... Rounders HAL^^
 
2023-01-25 9:44:40 PM  
Or, in terms of movies

HAL from 2001 meets Office Space (trust me!) and Kill Bill ensues!!!

I like the movie angle.  I actually named the character after 2001. That's where David came in. If I'm going to pitch that way I'd add in Hal from 2001 meets "Good fellows" meets "Office Space?" and it ends in "kill Bill"

Yeah.. I'd note I idiotically left out the gambling thing.... Rounders HAL^^

Thats probably it's big sell.  Maybe not since "Eight men out" and "Casino" has gambling been spotlighted like this.The corporate world of "Office space" collides with the violence of "Good fellows". The "Godfather" meets "Wall Street" in a collision that leads to "Armageddon."

With a little work you could probably use that to pitch about any script.
 
2023-01-25 10:59:16 PM  
Does anyone want a great plot? I'm too old to write it but it could be the next Chinatown. The hero is a recently retired Texas lawman who is a delegate to the 1948 Democratic Convention in Philadelphia. There he reconnects with a former employee of W.E.B. DuBois.

Genuine interest only.
 
2023-01-26 11:19:29 AM  

Ringshadow: Fireproof: My current idea? I'd pitch it as "A satire of social media that's a parody of The Matrix.  It explores how social media tells you you're important while it manipulates you."

/Gotta start writing it sometime.
//Anyone know of a place that will pay you for short stories?

Black Mirror episodes?
Jennifer Government?
Glitterati?
Girl Gone Viral?
The Circle?
Feed?
The Hive?
Future Feeling?

I'm not listing these to make you feel bad. I'm listening them to point out you're potentially writing a book in a VERY populated space. You might want to work on this pitch, and I hope you have a great hook.


Thanks. Good to know as I haven't seen/read any of those. At this point it's just a short story idea and I'll probably keep it that way.
 
2023-01-26 6:05:50 PM  

Spice Must Flow: Of course, I stayed up all night fini


...pation!

I wanted to add, after getting that first paid article finally published, I sent the editor a brief summary of six more local interest stories. He said he liked them all, but let's start with just these two...

My second article was the cover story, and as I was at the brewpub giving copies to random passersby, a young lady asked me my secret.

"What did you say to the editor to get your story on the cover? What secret words did you use?" I told her that as a mild mannered reporter I didn't rely on secret words. I said, "First, this wasn't my first article they published, so I already had a good track record with the editor. But for that first article, when I contacted the editor I told him that I already had a journalism degree and had done three semesters of courtroom reporting on the trial of a campus cop caught embezzling parking meter money, which had earned three news writing awards...

The horrified look on that young lady's face was hilarious, learning that my "secret words" were: I did hard, boring work for a long, long time.

Later, I used my scrapbook of clippings to get a freelance job in a smallville newspaper, which further honed my quill. I'd highly recommend it.

Anyway, my point is that pitching an idea to an editor is a lot easier when you have already gotten published somewhere.

When I was researching my article about Jack London's sci-fi, I was able to get quotes from Norman Spinrad and Michael Moorcock because when I emailed their intermediaries I linked not only to my award-winning court reporting, but also to my published articles as a sci-fi historian on Frank Herbert and Philip K Dick. In other words, more than just a fan, but a serious researcher.

Just as it takes monkeys to make monkeys, it's easier pitching after you've already gotten published.
 
2023-01-26 10:09:33 PM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: I'm not participating this time, but at Savvy Writers they have twice yearly pitchfests that are free plus a workshop to hone your pitch that costs a little (oops it's sold out).  It's coming up.
Pitch any fiction or nonfiction to agents and publishers.
Feb 15-17
https://savvyauthors.com/community/classes/2023-sweetheart-pitchfest.1938/


Thanks, will definitely check it out.

Do you have any observations or advice about the process?
 
2023-01-26 10:15:06 PM  

Spice Must Flow: Spawn_of_Cthulhu: I'm not participating this time, but at Savvy Writers they have twice yearly pitchfests that are free plus a workshop to hone your pitch that costs a little (oops it's sold out).  It's coming up.
Pitch any fiction or nonfiction to agents and publishers.
Feb 15-17
https://savvyauthors.com/community/classes/2023-sweetheart-pitchfest.1938/

Thanks, will definitely check it out.

Do you have any observations or advice about the process?


Read the rules about how to pitch and follow them or they will take your pitch down.
There are word limits, for instance. Last time there were special tags.
 
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