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1 day ago  
With players like Rolen and Harold Baines the HOF is getting watered down.
 
1 day ago  
He was really good.  I wouldn't say he's quite HOF material, but he's close enough I'm not mad about it.

It's tough for him his career was the same time as a better third basemen, Chipper Jones.
 
1 day ago  
Going in as a Phillie or Cardinal?
 
1 day ago  

jlee4677: With players like Rolen and Harold Baines the HOF is getting watered down.


And we can't get Lou Whitaker in
 
1 day ago  
meh. not great, not terrible.
 
1 day ago  

johnny_vegas: Going in as a Phillie or Cardinal?


Phillie -- there are enough borderline Cardinals in the Hall already. </snark>

Of the players born in 1975 (Alex Rodriguez, David Ortiz, Vlad Guerrero, Rolen), you can probably make a case that he was the second best - his big flaw is staying in the lineup.

If you look at the players who were still rookie eligible in 1997 (Andruw Jones, Bobby Abreu, Guerrero, Rolen), he's probably top two again.

Yeah, he's not Chipper Jones -- if that's your standard then you are inducting one guy every two or three years and the museum goes out of business.
 
1 day ago  
The bigger story is he's going in, while Alex Rodriguez and Carlos Beltran aren't.  Gee, I wonder why?

My opinion is they can go in after Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson do.
 
1 day ago  
Rolen is an obvious hall of famer to anyone that even slightly values defense.
 
1 day ago  

Dafatone: Rolen is an obvious hall of famer to anyone that even slightly values defense.


Defensively he's the 6th best 3B of all-time.  Overall he's just a smidge above average WAR for his position.

I want answers from whoever voted for Napoli.
 
1 day ago  
My Homerism demands that Jimmy Rollins get a better percentage. Man was the heart and soul of those Philly teams.
 
1 day ago  

bluorangefyre: The bigger story is he's going in, while Alex Rodriguez and Carlos Beltran aren't.  Gee, I wonder why?

My opinion is they can go in after Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson do.


fark Pete Rose. Mario Soto wants his arm back.
 
1 day ago  

jlee4677: With players like Rolen and Harold Baines the HOF is getting watered down.


Not even remotely comparable. Rolen deserves it and was voted in the old fashioned way.
 
1 day ago  

UNC_Samurai: Overall he's just a smidge above average WAR for his position.


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1 day ago  

jlee4677: With players like Rolen and Harold Baines the HOF is getting watered down.


Its what happens when you pretend the best players of the era didnt play because THEIR cheating was different than every other HOF player's cheating
 
1 day ago  
Rolen's one of those players that has an equal case for and against.  Someone who is tied for 103rd all-time in WAR should probably be in, though.  Though, the HoF will need to explain not voting in Whitaker if they're going to vote in Rolen.  Kenny Lofton as well.
 
1 day ago  

TheManofPA: My Homerism demands that Jimmy Rollins get a better percentage. Man was the heart and soul of those Philly teams.


there's gonna be a really spirited debate about Chase Utley coming up
 
1 day ago  
The Baseball Hall of Somewhat Notable for About Half Their Career.
 
1 day ago  

ElwoodCuse: TheManofPA: My Homerism demands that Jimmy Rollins get a better percentage. Man was the heart and soul of those Philly teams.

there's gonna be a really spirited debate about Chase Utley coming up


Chase isn't a hall of famer.  He had 5 good years mixed in with a lot of mediocrity.
 
1 day ago  
If I was the BBWAA, I would instigate a rule that if you return a ballot, there must be a vote for one person on it.  Not voting if you don't see anyone worthy is fine, but don't return the ballot.  Now that may lead to more troll voting, but voting for no one so as to hurt EVERYONE's chances is a real dick move.
 
1 day ago  

TheManofPA: My Homerism demands that Jimmy Rollins get a better percentage. Man was the heart and soul of those Philly teams.


I like the way you put that.
My Homerism for HOF would include Will Clark and Jeff Kent, though I doubt neither will ever get in. I was surprised, though, that Kent never even got close before his last try this year. He certainly wasn't one of the better defenders, but he sure was one of the better hitting second basemen.
 
1 day ago  

Creoena: ElwoodCuse: TheManofPA: My Homerism demands that Jimmy Rollins get a better percentage. Man was the heart and soul of those Philly teams.

there's gonna be a really spirited debate about Chase Utley coming up

Chase isn't a hall of famer.  He had 5 good years mixed in with a lot of mediocrity.


I lean no too but (1) played second base and (2) played in Philly means we're gonna hear quite a lot about both sides
 
1 day ago  
Dale Murphy between 1982 to 1988 was better than Rolens entire career, 2 MVPs, 4 Silver Sluggers and 5 Gold Gloves. He was the best player at his position, center field, which is where the rest players play.
 
1 day ago  

jlee4677: Dale Murphy between 1982 to 1988 was better than Rolens entire career, 2 MVPs, 4 Silver Sluggers and 5 Gold Gloves. He was the best player at his position, center field, which is where the rest players play.


Here's the thing, though....
 
1 day ago  

TheManofPA: My Homerism demands that Jimmy Rollins get a better percentage. Man was the heart and soul of those Philly teams.


Rollins should get serious consideration when you compare him with other shortstops already in.
 
1 day ago  

jlee4677: Dale Murphy between 1982 to 1988 was better than Rolens entire career, 2 MVPs, 4 Silver Sluggers and 5 Gold Gloves. He was the best player at his position, center field, which is where the rest players play.


How could Scott Rolen ever compete with 5 gold gloves.

Also, Rolen was very good at defense, unlike Murphy.
 
1 day ago  

Creoena: Chase isn't a hall of famer. He had 5 good years mixed in with a lot of mediocrity.


Chase's biggest problem is that his knees rusted at the end of the Phillies' run. He was never the same player after that. Surgery when they first started to go *might* have helped him, but a) both the success of said surgery (micro-fracture, I believe) and the recovery time were still very much in the "we don't know" stage then; and b) Chase was one of those guys who HATED to not be on the field, and an extended recovery and rehab time was way too much for him to want to try. So he kept trying to nurse the knees along with different exercises and therapies and stuff, and of course it affected his quickness and mobility.

Otherwise, I think he definitely would have ended up a no-doubt-about-it HoF guy.
 
1 day ago  

Joe_diGriz: Creoena: Chase isn't a hall of famer. He had 5 good years mixed in with a lot of mediocrity.

Chase's biggest problem is that his knees rusted at the end of the Phillies' run. He was never the same player after that. Surgery when they first started to go *might* have helped him, but a) both the success of said surgery (micro-fracture, I believe) and the recovery time were still very much in the "we don't know" stage then; and b) Chase was one of those guys who HATED to not be on the field, and an extended recovery and rehab time was way too much for him to want to try. So he kept trying to nurse the knees along with different exercises and therapies and stuff, and of course it affected his quickness and mobility.

Otherwise, I think he definitely would have ended up a no-doubt-about-it HoF guy.


He was good enough that by WAR, he's a hall of famer.

Because of injuries, he didn't play nearly enough to get the counting stats.

He'll be an interesting case.
 
1 day ago  

Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Overall he's just a smidge above average WAR for his position.

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Sorry, average WAR for Hall of Famers for his position.
 
1 day ago  

UNC_Samurai: Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Overall he's just a smidge above average WAR for his position.

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Sorry, average WAR for Hall of Famers for his position.


Ah, got it.

Third base is a weird position for the HOF. There aren't very many of them. There is a long history of players who once seemed well on their way to the HOF and wound up falling short, often because of injuries. David Wright and Evan Longoria appear to be the latest to join that group. There are many more who are in the Hall of Very Good and wouldn't disgrace the HOF if elected, but don't really have a compelling case -- Boyer, Hack, Bando (RIP), Nettles, Cey, Evans, Ventura, Bell.

Several of those who did make it also spent significant time at other positions (often first base or DH after losing a step defensively, such as Molitor, Killebrew, E. Martinez, Perez and Thome). And there are several whose inclusion in the HOF no one can quite explain -- Freddy Lindstrom, George Kell, Pie Traynor.

So, for solid, career-long third base HOFers, the list is: Schmidt, Mathews, Brett, Boggs, Chipper, Santo, B. Robinson, Frank Baker, Jimmy Collins, and now Rolen. That's it. Ten.

Beltre will get there in due course. Nolan Arenado seems to be on his way, but then, so did Wright and Longoria and Matt Williams.
 
1 day ago  

Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Overall he's just a smidge above average WAR for his position.

quizzicaldog.jpg

Sorry, average WAR for Hall of Famers for his position.

Ah, got it.

Third base is a weird position for the HOF. There aren't very many of them. There is a long history of players who once seemed well on their way to the HOF and wound up falling short, often because of injuries. David Wright and Evan Longoria appear to be the latest to join that group. There are many more who are in the Hall of Very Good and wouldn't disgrace the HOF if elected, but don't really have a compelling case -- Boyer, Hack, Bando (RIP), Nettles, Cey, Evans, Ventura, Bell.

Several of those who did make it also spent significant time at other positions (often first base or DH after losing a step defensively, such as Molitor, Killebrew, E. Martinez, Perez and Thome). And there are several whose inclusion in the HOF no one can quite explain -- Freddy Lindstrom, George Kell, Pie Traynor.

So, for solid, career-long third base HOFers, the list is: Schmidt, Mathews, Brett, Boggs, Chipper, Santo, B. Robinson, Frank Baker, Jimmy Collins, and now Rolen. That's it. Ten.

Beltre will get there in due course. Nolan Arenado seems to be on his way, but then, so did Wright and Longoria and Matt Williams.


I think a decent case can be made for Nettles, but .248 career avg used to mean no way no how.
 
1 day ago  

Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Overall he's just a smidge above average WAR for his position.

quizzicaldog.jpg

Sorry, average WAR for Hall of Famers for his position.

Ah, got it.

Third base is a weird position for the HOF. There aren't very many of them. There is a long history of players who once seemed well on their way to the HOF and wound up falling short, often because of injuries. David Wright and Evan Longoria appear to be the latest to join that group. There are many more who are in the Hall of Very Good and wouldn't disgrace the HOF if elected, but don't really have a compelling case -- Boyer, Hack, Bando (RIP), Nettles, Cey, Evans, Ventura, Bell.

Several of those who did make it also spent significant time at other positions (often first base or DH after losing a step defensively, such as Molitor, Killebrew, E. Martinez, Perez and Thome). And there are several whose inclusion in the HOF no one can quite explain -- Freddy Lindstrom, George Kell, Pie Traynor.

So, for solid, career-long third base HOFers, the list is: Schmidt, Mathews, Brett, Boggs, Chipper, Santo, B. Robinson, Frank Baker, Jimmy Collins, and now Rolen. That's it. Ten.

Beltre will get there in due course. Nolan Arenado seems to be on his way, but then, so did Wright and Longoria and Matt Williams.


A-Rod's got the numbers!
 
1 day ago  

The Bestest: Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Super Chronic: UNC_Samurai: Overall he's just a smidge above average WAR for his position.

quizzicaldog.jpg

Sorry, average WAR for Hall of Famers for his position.

Ah, got it.

Third base is a weird position for the HOF. There aren't very many of them. There is a long history of players who once seemed well on their way to the HOF and wound up falling short, often because of injuries. David Wright and Evan Longoria appear to be the latest to join that group. There are many more who are in the Hall of Very Good and wouldn't disgrace the HOF if elected, but don't really have a compelling case -- Boyer, Hack, Bando (RIP), Nettles, Cey, Evans, Ventura, Bell.

Several of those who did make it also spent significant time at other positions (often first base or DH after losing a step defensively, such as Molitor, Killebrew, E. Martinez, Perez and Thome). And there are several whose inclusion in the HOF no one can quite explain -- Freddy Lindstrom, George Kell, Pie Traynor.

So, for solid, career-long third base HOFers, the list is: Schmidt, Mathews, Brett, Boggs, Chipper, Santo, B. Robinson, Frank Baker, Jimmy Collins, and now Rolen. That's it. Ten.

Beltre will get there in due course. Nolan Arenado seems to be on his way, but then, so did Wright and Longoria and Matt Williams.

A-Rod's got the numbers!


Also with A-Rod, Bonds and Clemens is the fact they are just unlikable as human beings. They have the numbers to be all time greats (with a little enhancement) but their personalities do them no favors.
 
1 day ago  

Super Chronic: And there are several whose inclusion in the HOF no one can quite explain -- Freddy Lindstrom, George Kell, Pie Traynor.


There was a time when Traynor was considered the greatest third baseman in major league history.  For a while he and Jimmy Collins were the only 3B in Cooperstown.

The other two are Veterans Committee Inductees.  Kell was a 10-time All-star and one of the best hitters of his era, but he never played in a World Series and got overshadowed by Williams and DiMaggio.  Lindstrom was by far the most controversial, he had an outstanding first half of a career before injuries took their toll, and there were a lot of accusations about the politicking that got him inducted.
 
1 day ago  

Dafatone: I think a decent case can be made for Nettles, but .248 career avg used to mean no way no how.


Same for Darrell Evans, who batted... (looks it up)... .248, exactly the same as Nettles.
 
1 day ago  
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congrats on induction to the bajoran hall of fame!
 
1 day ago  
borderline, but can't really complain too much about it
 
1 day ago  
Rolen and Andruw Jones deserve it.
 
1 day ago  

ElwoodCuse: Creoena: ElwoodCuse: TheManofPA: My Homerism demands that Jimmy Rollins get a better percentage. Man was the heart and soul of those Philly teams.

there's gonna be a really spirited debate about Chase Utley coming up

Chase isn't a hall of famer.  He had 5 good years mixed in with a lot of mediocrity.

I lean no too but (1) played second base and (2) played in Philly means we're gonna hear quite a lot about both sides


It's a situation where I could see Chase getting more votes/higher percentage but not making it despite the feeling that overall Jimmy had the better year. It is just wild that for how strong those Phillies teams were over a nice stretch of time that they won't produce a single position player in the HOF (or even one that might get to 50 percent). For Jimmy, it is a situation where if he was a Yank/Dodger team leader, he probably does get in and we complain he didn't really have the numbers
 
1 day ago  

NetOwl: Rolen and Andruw Jones deserve it.


Jones is a close call. He fell off a cliff at age 30. With another couple more years of peak value, or maybe just a more graceful decline, he'd probably be in. Would also help if he didn't have a domestic violence charge.

If I had to put someone in from this year's candidates besides Rolen, though, Jones would be it.
 
1 day ago  

Super Chronic: NetOwl: Rolen and Andruw Jones deserve it.

Jones is a close call. He fell off a cliff at age 30. With another couple more years of peak value, or maybe just a more graceful decline, he'd probably be in. Would also help if he didn't have a domestic violence charge.

If I had to put someone in from this year's candidates besides Rolen, though, Jones would be it.


I could go on a long rant about Jones's merits. Basically, had he come up at 25 and burnt out at 35, he'd be beloved, but burn out at 30 and everyone thinks you're lazy.

But the domestic violence is a no vote from me.
 
1 day ago  
Dave Parker
 
1 day ago  

Dafatone: I could go on a long rant about Jones's merits. Basically, had he come up at 25 and burnt out at 35, he'd be beloved, but burn out at 30 and everyone thinks you're lazy.


Interesting theory, I wonder if some would say the same of Felix Hernandez. (Except that in his case there was evidence that he was in fact a bit lazy, or at least unwilling to adapt as he aged, and he really should have had a couple more peak years to be considered a strong candidate.)
 
22 hours ago  

Super Chronic: Dafatone: I could go on a long rant about Jones's merits. Basically, had he come up at 25 and burnt out at 35, he'd be beloved, but burn out at 30 and everyone thinks you're lazy.

Interesting theory, I wonder if some would say the same of Felix Hernandez. (Except that in his case there was evidence that he was in fact a bit lazy, or at least unwilling to adapt as he aged, and he really should have had a couple more peak years to be considered a strong candidate.)


Given how young Jones got old and fat, I almost wonder if he was lying about his age. Not quite ready to commit to this theory but uts fun to throw out there.
 
22 hours ago  

Dafatone: Super Chronic: Dafatone: I could go on a long rant about Jones's merits. Basically, had he come up at 25 and burnt out at 35, he'd be beloved, but burn out at 30 and everyone thinks you're lazy.

Interesting theory, I wonder if some would say the same of Felix Hernandez. (Except that in his case there was evidence that he was in fact a bit lazy, or at least unwilling to adapt as he aged, and he really should have had a couple more peak years to be considered a strong candidate.)

Given how young Jones got old and fat, I almost wonder if he was lying about his age. Not quite ready to commit to this theory but uts fun to throw out there.


its been long suggested
 
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