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(Asahi Shimbun)   Japan politely reminds local authorities that it is illegal for service providers to tell people with disabilities that they must get sterilized to use their services   (asahi.com) divider line
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2023-01-24 4:23:01 PM  
Jesus, Japan. You are such a confusing mix of progress and disturbing homogenization...
 
2023-01-24 4:37:16 PM  
Wait, is it true? Because if it's true, I can't see dinging them.
 
2023-01-24 4:37:50 PM  

palelizard: Wait, is it true? Because if it's true, I can't see dinging them.


Yikes, dude.
 
2023-01-24 4:39:26 PM  

palelizard: Wait, is it true? Because if it's true, I can't see dinging them.


Ok, I massively misread the headline originally - with teh emphasis on not telling residents, rather than making it illegal to forcibly sterilize them. <facepalm>

This is a good development with good intentions.
 
2023-01-24 4:39:59 PM  
We tried to get language in the UN disability rights convention about family planning. The anti abortion morons blocked it because they stupidly thought that this language was gonna be used for the disabled to get abortions. In reality, in most of the world, the disabled are forced to go thru sterilization or have abortions... giving them the right to make these decisions was actually more likely to prevent abortion and sterilization.
 
2023-01-24 4:41:46 PM  
Need to make those "local administrators" watch Like Normal People. Not to educate them but to punish them.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079471/
 
2023-01-24 4:42:05 PM  
Wtf Japan, you're already dealing with a low birthrate problem.  Dig up, stupid!
 
2023-01-24 4:47:38 PM  
Japan is well known for establishing extremely discriminatory practices. This is no exception.

Good luck renting a place as a foreigner, even if you speak perfect Japanese. There are also signs on many establishments that say "No Foreigners Allowed."
 
2023-01-24 4:48:49 PM  

untoldforce: Japan is well known for establishing extremely discriminatory practices. This is no exception.

Good luck renting a place as a foreigner, even if you speak perfect Japanese. There are also signs on many establishments that say "No Foreigners Allowed."


I did it twice, both very nice apartments. One was near the top of one of Mr Mori's skyscrapers. No issue at all.
 
2023-01-24 4:49:18 PM  
Somebody didn't get that memo.
 
2023-01-24 4:49:36 PM  
I would think all that tentacle sex would cause sterilization on its own.
 
2023-01-24 4:49:53 PM  

Weatherkiss: palelizard: Wait, is it true? Because if it's true, I can't see dinging them.

Yikes, dude.


I've noticed that there's a contingency on FARK that seems to be all in on Eugenics.
 
2023-01-24 4:50:14 PM  
Technically, it was a recommendation, not a requirement.

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2023-01-24 4:50:22 PM  

Somaticasual: Jesus, Japan. You are such a confusing mix of progress and disturbing homogenization...


Not really. Pretty much a majority of extreme conformist/conservative types, people beaten down so badly by being in a black company (places that make amazon warehouses look like paradise) that they just hold the line, and a minority of "progressives" who are fighting a losing battle to shake things up. as well as the hikimoris who had lost hope and gone full shut in.

They have a history and culture of conformity, and rejecting any non-forced change in values. Their progressives just sand out a bit more due to extremes and not having the same traditional issues as say NA (due to being effectively mono-ethnic)
 
2023-01-24 4:51:07 PM  

maudibjr: I would think all that tentacle sex would cause sterilization on its own.


Absolutely not. Tentacles are very gentle and loving. You're thinking of tendrils.
 
2023-01-24 4:52:23 PM  
LOL i love how thanks to bigots in Silicon Valley, there are eugenics supporters all over who don't control for autism. In fact, there are autistic moms who adocate aborting any foetus that has a chance of expressing disability genes, except for autism, which they say is okay and we should take their word for it. Example:

https://www.businessinsider.com/pronatalism-elon-musk-simone-malcolm-collins-underpopulation-breeding-tech-2022-11

A year and a half later, Malcolm proposed to her via a viral campaign that landed on the front page of Reddit.

In 2018, which they now call "The Year of the Harvest,"

The tests they performed also provided a risk score for autism, a diagnosis Simone herself has received, which they decided not to take into account. Simone compared her autism to a "fine-tuned race car"


Big Tech is echoing the same shiat I heard from Comp Sci grad students and undergrads at 2 universities in Canada. it's utterly bogus, comepletely discredited pseudoscience, and totally bigoted. But thanks to Reddit and the high wages at Google, Apple, IBM, Microsoft, we have this new version of eugenics that absolutely sucks ass and can't withstand the most cursory glance fromsomebody who understands how genes function biologically and how disability is a social construction created by compeltely different, non-genetic means.
 
2023-01-24 4:52:32 PM  

sjmcc13: Somaticasual: Jesus, Japan. You are such a confusing mix of progress and disturbing homogenization...

Not really. Pretty much a majority of extreme conformist/conservative types, people beaten down so badly by being in a black company (places that make amazon warehouses look like paradise) that they just hold the line, and a minority of "progressives" who are fighting a losing battle to shake things up. as well as the hikimoris who had lost hope and gone full shut in.

They have a history and culture of conformity, and rejecting any non-forced change in values. Their progressives just sand out a bit more due to extremes and not having the same traditional issues as say NA (due to being effectively mono-ethnic)


Forgot to add, that there is a but load of repression included in those traditions, and built up repression tends to get expressed in "interesting" ways.
 
2023-01-24 4:55:11 PM  

Somaticasual: Jesus, Japan. You are such a confusing mix of progress and disturbing homogenization...


It's my absolute favorite country because of this. They're so farked up in the weirdest ways but have turned every other aspect of life into a dreary dance of efficiency and purpose, all while being as polite (in public) as a maître d'.

I spent 3 weeks in Hokkaido with my JP101 class in college and it was probably the most exciting and strange my life has ever been or will be.

I got drunk with an elementary school principal, his asst. principal, and the superintendent at lunch on two consecutive school days; I was briefly kidnapped by some girls at the bar; was hip-tossed by an 80-year old man; ate more raw fish than an orca, and bought a minidisc player from a girl dressed as Col. Sanders in a subway station.
 
2023-01-24 4:55:27 PM  

CarnySaur: Weatherkiss: palelizard: Wait, is it true? Because if it's true, I can't see dinging them.

Yikes, dude.

I've noticed that there's a contingency on FARK that seems to be all in on Eugenics.


I wasn't advocating, merely expressing an opinion about the Japanese government's history towards eugenics. If the policy actually is "get sterilized if you want benefits", I find it hard to fault an organization pointing out the policy is "get sterilized if you want benefits".
 
2023-01-24 5:05:35 PM  

magneticmushroom: I got drunk with an elementary school principal, his asst. principal, and the superintendent at lunch on two consecutive school days; I was briefly kidnapped by some girls at the bar; was hip-tossed by an 80-year old man; ate more raw fish than an orca, and bought a minidisc player from a girl dressed as Col. Sanders in a subway station.


🎼 ...And a partridge in a pear tree... 🎶
 
2023-01-24 5:24:44 PM  

palelizard: Wait, is it true? Because if it's true, I can't see dinging them.


Japanese master race-like typing detected.
 
2023-01-24 5:35:33 PM  

palelizard: Wait, is it true? Because if it's true, I can't see dinging them.


No, it's a total fabrication by the submitter of the false headline.
From the Article:
The move follows revelations late last year that a group home in Hokkaido for people with intellectual disabilities run by a social welfare corporation recommended couples living on its premises who hoped to live together or marry get sterilized or undertake other birth control measures.
 
2023-01-24 5:41:54 PM  

palelizard: maudibjr: I would think all that tentacle sex would cause sterilization on its own.

Absolutely not. Tentacles are very gentle and loving. You're thinking of tendrils.


Oh goodie, the Big Tentacle lobby has arrived. Have you even been touched by a tendril before?
 
2023-01-24 5:46:54 PM  

palelizard: maudibjr: I would think all that tentacle sex would cause sterilization on its own.

Absolutely not. Tentacles are very gentle and loving. You're thinking of tendrils.


Remember - the best tentacles are consentacles.
 
2023-01-24 5:49:03 PM  

ChubbyTiger: palelizard: maudibjr: I would think all that tentacle sex would cause sterilization on its own.

Absolutely not. Tentacles are very gentle and loving. You're thinking of tendrils.

Oh goodie, the Big Tentacle lobby has arrived. Have you even been touched by a tendril before?


No, you can tell by the fact I've still got some sphincters intact. Tendrils are a threat to humanity!
 
2023-01-24 5:50:25 PM  

ReverendLoki: Remember - the best tentacles are consentacles.


This was good enough that beyond a funny, I'm quoting it.
 
2023-01-24 6:04:13 PM  
There are some cases even in the U.S. where it's the only sane alternative, but that's for people with extremely major mental disabilities - people with majorly bad cases of Downs for instance.  These are the people that absolutely want to fark, and will too - but are in no way able to practice sane birth control.  They just aren't up to remembering they even need to, much less doing so properly.  They're also in no way capable of taking care of a child.  Essentially adult bodies with the minds of toddlers.  If it is people like that, it can be a pretty reasonable medical decision by their caretaker - because you aren't going to be able to prevent them from having sex unless you lock them up somewhere - which is one hell of a lot crueler.  Since there is no case that anyone would want them to be having kids in the future, temporary solutions like Depo make no sense medically - you're just putting them through the symptoms of hormone fiddling for no good reason

/if it's NOT at that level then yes WTAF??
//but if it is, it really can be the only rational decision for everybody including the person sterilized
///and yes, you need to run that shiat by a judge etc. as a caretaker, but in cases of profound intellectual disability it's usually granted
 
2023-01-24 6:47:34 PM  

untoldforce: There are also signs on many establishments that say "No Foreigners Allowed."


This claim - like the used panty vending machines - seems exaggerated. From what I gather, it's only some bars and soaplands that tend to have these signs. ie. the places that are most likely to attract troublemakers.

I lived there for a few years, and have traveled throughout. I've never seen one of these signs.
 
2023-01-24 8:02:30 PM  

Neondistraction: Wtf Japan, you're already dealing with a low birthrate problem.  Dig up, stupid!


So much this.
 
2023-01-24 8:26:20 PM  

untoldforce: Japan is well known for establishing extremely discriminatory practices. This is no exception.


Just ask the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki how they were treated after the war.  Yeah, almost all of those affected by the bombs are dead, but the stigma remains on their kids and grandkids.

Hibakusha
 
2023-01-24 8:27:19 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: There are some cases even in the U.S. where it's the only sane alternative, but that's for people with extremely major mental disabilities - people with majorly bad cases of Downs for instance.  These are the people that absolutely want to fark, and will too - but are in no way able to practice sane birth control.  They just aren't up to remembering they even need to, much less doing so properly.  They're also in no way capable of taking care of a child.  Essentially adult bodies with the minds of toddlers.  If it is people like that, it can be a pretty reasonable medical decision by their caretaker - because you aren't going to be able to prevent them from having sex unless you lock them up somewhere - which is one hell of a lot crueler.  Since there is no case that anyone would want them to be having kids in the future, temporary solutions like Depo make no sense medically - you're just putting them through the symptoms of hormone fiddling for no good reason

/if it's NOT at that level then yes WTAF??
//but if it is, it really can be the only rational decision for everybody including the person sterilized
///and yes, you need to run that shiat by a judge etc. as a caretaker, but in cases of profound intellectual disability it's usually granted


There were some shock photos going around the 'tubes ten or twenty years ago of a profoundly disabled (like power wheelchairs and trache tubes) couple having sex.
There was a scar where the dude's berries had been.

/shudder
 
2023-01-24 8:31:14 PM  

Fursecution: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: There are some cases even in the U.S. where it's the only sane alternative, but that's for people with extremely major mental disabilities - people with majorly bad cases of Downs for instance.  These are the people that absolutely want to fark, and will too - but are in no way able to practice sane birth control.  They just aren't up to remembering they even need to, much less doing so properly.  They're also in no way capable of taking care of a child.  Essentially adult bodies with the minds of toddlers.  If it is people like that, it can be a pretty reasonable medical decision by their caretaker - because you aren't going to be able to prevent them from having sex unless you lock them up somewhere - which is one hell of a lot crueler.  Since there is no case that anyone would want them to be having kids in the future, temporary solutions like Depo make no sense medically - you're just putting them through the symptoms of hormone fiddling for no good reason

/if it's NOT at that level then yes WTAF??
//but if it is, it really can be the only rational decision for everybody including the person sterilized
///and yes, you need to run that shiat by a judge etc. as a caretaker, but in cases of profound intellectual disability it's usually granted

There were some shock photos going around the 'tubes ten or twenty years ago of a profoundly disabled (like power wheelchairs and trache tubes) couple having sex.
There was a scar where the dude's berries had been.

/shudder


Yeah... that's something I'd not be clicking on.  Not again
 
2023-01-24 9:58:03 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: palelizard: Wait, is it true? Because if it's true, I can't see dinging them.

No, it's a total fabrication by the submitter of the false headline.
From the Article:
The move follows revelations late last year that a group home in Hokkaido for people with intellectual disabilities run by a social welfare corporation recommended couples living on its premises who hoped to live together or marry get sterilized or undertake other birth control measures.


Oh please. Read between the lines--the corporation recommended it, so any of the couples who wanted to live together but refused sterilization were conveniently denied for "other reasons."
 
2023-01-24 9:58:08 PM  

indy_kid: untoldforce: Japan is well known for establishing extremely discriminatory practices. This is no exception.

Just ask the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki how they were treated after the war.  Yeah, almost all of those affected by the bombs are dead, but the stigma remains on their kids and grandkids.

Hibakusha


My father in law is hibakusha. He goes on panel discussions and attends anti-nuke proliferation events, etc. He also had a successful career, ran his own consulting business, and is an extremely well-connected member of some alumni community from his university. I wasn't aware of (nor has he ever indicated) any social stigma, at least not these days.
 
2023-01-24 11:04:40 PM  

jtown: Technically, it was a recommendation, not a requirement.

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Nice work
 
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