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2023-01-24 2:36:52 AM  
"Things like this where the officers, the rank and file, the unions believe that it is a further demonstration of their lack of support could have a negative impact on morale, productivity, and that relates right to the crime surge,"

You can shut right the hell up, you disingenuous piece of sh*t.
 
2023-01-24 3:20:11 AM  
It started out as a political response to the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, so, yeah, political. It was then co-opted by the Maga/Y'all Qedas as anti-lib, pro police like libs aren't Americans too and don't deserve police protection, then just became a sad joke when the Capitol rioters used it to attack cops to overrun the Capitol. So it now really doesn't stand for anything but strife.
 
2023-01-24 3:44:21 AM  
Is there a reason they have a flag other than the US, State, and City (If they have one) flags anywhere on police property?
 
2023-01-24 3:51:08 AM  

Bootleg: Is there a reason they have a flag other than the US, State, and City (If they have one) flags anywhere on police property?


Morale and productivity, it seems.
 
2023-01-24 4:18:28 AM  
I don't like seeing people that have to display the flag always. I used to like the flag, but the last few years I have begun to loathe seeing it anywhere but on a flagpole.
I have work shirts with the flag on it. I go to Canada often. I explained to my boss how rude that is. I don't want to wave my flag as a guest in their country. I pointed to Mexicans driving around with their flags and music blaring...
It triggers so many.

Thin Blue Line flags have always bothered me. It disrespects the reasons for the stars, the red and white stripes. The flag represented all people,hence the different states. There were differences in their beliefs, needs, and desires.
Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness....  or whatever...
 
2023-01-24 6:05:25 AM  
It is a defaced American flag.

I would not be surprised if it originated in a hostile foreign government. Because it is working perfectly.
 
2023-01-24 6:31:05 AM  

skybird659: It started out as a political response to the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, so, yeah, political. It was then co-opted by the Maga/Y'all Qedas as anti-lib, pro police like libs aren't Americans too and don't deserve police protection, then just became a sad joke when the Capitol rioters used it to attack cops to overrun the Capitol. So it now really doesn't stand for anything but strife.


The thin blue line predates BLM.  The phrase was first used by a cop in 1922.
 
2023-01-24 6:32:51 AM  

itsaback: I don't like seeing people that have to display the flag always. I used to like the flag, but the last few years I have begun to loathe seeing it anywhere but on a flagpole.
I have work shirts with the flag on it. I go to Canada often. I explained to my boss how rude that is. I don't want to wave my flag as a guest in their country. I pointed to Mexicans driving around with their flags and music blaring...
It triggers so many.

Thin Blue Line flags have always bothered me. It disrespects the reasons for the stars, the red and white stripes. The flag represented all people,hence the different states. There were differences in their beliefs, needs, and desires.
Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness....  or whatever...


Wow. You're triggered by people flying their nations flag and loud music? Because I'm not.

I am triggered when seemingly smart people fly a flag that's become associated with fascism and summary execution tho.
 
2023-01-24 6:58:21 AM  
What a bunch of pathetic crybabies cops are. 'Removing the flags hurts morale" translates to 'If I don't see my special fwag, it hurts my pwecious wittle feefees.'
 
2023-01-24 6:59:04 AM  
Too late, you racist piece of shiat.
Might as well were your Klan robe out shopping now.
 
2023-01-24 7:32:27 AM  

question_dj: skybird659: It started out as a political response to the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, so, yeah, political. It was then co-opted by the Maga/Y'all Qedas as anti-lib, pro police like libs aren't Americans too and don't deserve police protection, then just became a sad joke when the Capitol rioters used it to attack cops to overrun the Capitol. So it now really doesn't stand for anything but strife.

The thin blue line predates BLM.  The phrase was first used by a cop in 1922.


Poster is referring to the symbol, often a flag. It became popular circa 2014 in response to BLM.

As for the flag itself: for anyone wondering what's wrong with it... discuss the symbolism of it. An American flag where the color black is taking over. Thus the "Thin blue line" standing in opposition to that black, literally dividing the black, stopping it from taking over.

But then why wouldn't police fly overtly white supremacist symbols?
 
2023-01-24 7:37:24 AM  
Adding your own color line to a flag is the modern day ribbon car magnet.
 
2023-01-24 7:37:41 AM  

Bootleg: Is there a reason they have a flag other than the US, State, and City (If they have one) flags anywhere on police property?


To remind the officers to keep believing that they are on the other side of that blue line and are therefore not civilians and are above the law.

Sadly only the first half of that is a lie.
 
2023-01-24 7:42:44 AM  

skybird659: It started out as a political response to the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, so, yeah, political. It was then co-opted by the Maga/Y'all Qedas as anti-lib, pro police like libs aren't Americans too and don't deserve police protection, then just became a sad joke when the Capitol rioters used it to attack cops to overrun the Capitol. So it now really doesn't stand for anything but strife.


A "sad" joke?
 
2023-01-24 7:43:52 AM  

skybird659: It started out as a political response to the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, so, yeah, political. It was then co-opted by the Maga/Y'all Qedas as anti-lib, pro police like libs aren't Americans too and don't deserve police protection, then just became a sad joke when the Capitol rioters used it to attack cops to overrun the Capitol. So it now really doesn't stand for anything but strife.


So its meaning never changed, it's always been about white supremacy.
 
2023-01-24 7:48:04 AM  
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2023-01-24 7:48:22 AM  
It really is a violation of the U.S. Flag Code, "(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."  I can't believe so many people who claim to love the flag and the country regularly and repeatedly violate this code.

Read it all here:  https://www.legion.org/flag/code
 
2023-01-24 7:49:21 AM  

August11: It is a defaced defecated  American flag.



FTFY
 
2023-01-24 7:50:28 AM  
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2023-01-24 7:54:48 AM  

bubbadave1056: It really is a violation of the U.S. Flag Code, "(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."  I can't believe so many people who claim to love the flag and the country regularly and repeatedly violate this code.

Read it all here:  https://www.legion.org/flag/code


Once again: these people claim to love America, but they're lying. Because they hate most Americans.
 
2023-01-24 7:58:46 AM  
I hate the blue line flag because it says two things:

1. On a car, it is an appeal for a cop not to ticket you if pulled over. Same with PBA stickers. Maybe give the cop a Masonic signal as well, just to be sure. After all, you're one of the chosen people i.e. entitled trash. You believe cops are supposed to let you do whatever you want while protecting you from The Others.

2. Blind loyalty. Cops and soldiers are never bad. Ever. 100% heroes. Just like I would never snitch on my friends or family no matter what they did because loyalty is more important than right or wrong. Just like America is the best country in the world, right or wrong, except it's America therefore it's always right.
 
2023-01-24 8:01:13 AM  

bubbadave1056: It really is a violation of the U.S. Flag Code, "(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."  I can't believe so many people who claim to love the flag and the country regularly and repeatedly violate this code.

Read it all here:  https://www.legion.org/flag/code


The counter-argument I've heard is that the flag code only applies to real, physical flags. A shirt or sticker that looks like a flag isn't really a flag so it's exempt.

I think it's a stupid argument, but it exists nevertheless.
 
2023-01-24 8:06:57 AM  
Can they go back to using their punisher logos? Funny thing is the Punisher would go after officers like the ones that like using the logo.
 
2023-01-24 8:11:08 AM  
There's never a valid reason to fly that America hating fascist rag.
 
2023-01-24 8:19:04 AM  

groppet: Can they go back to using their punisher logos? Funny thing is the Punisher would go after officers like the ones that like using the logo.


Yeah but even comic books involve reading and reading is for "woke loosers"


It pains me to type it that way
 
2023-01-24 8:21:04 AM  
About bloody time, it was meant to be divisive and show "us vs them."  Fascist pigs.
 
2023-01-24 8:25:50 AM  

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Fact: Body armor was developed by pizza delivery guy who was tired of being robbed at gunpoint.
 
2023-01-24 8:26:56 AM  

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they have a different one at the Uvalde, Tx station.
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2023-01-24 8:27:10 AM  
I guess I'm out of touch with todays symbolism. I would have guessed the Y'all-Qaeda flag was painted on the General Lee.
 
2023-01-24 8:30:51 AM  
Ok. The flags never bothered me as much as this.
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No police department whatsoever should be brandishing the symbol of a vigilante. What happened to uphold and serve the law?

Any department showing this symbol on any vehicle or uniform and allowing to do so, it's f***** up.
 
2023-01-24 8:30:58 AM  

groppet: Can they go back to using their punisher logos? Funny thing is the Punisher would go has gone after officers like the ones that like using the logo.


"You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America, and he'd be happy to have you."

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// if cops were capable of understanding why Frank is the absolute worst role model for them to have, they wouldn't have become cops in the first place
 
2023-01-24 8:35:40 AM  
I used to conflate them with this one:

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2023-01-24 8:37:28 AM  

question_dj: skybird659: It started out as a political response to the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, so, yeah, political. It was then co-opted by the Maga/Y'all Qedas as anti-lib, pro police like libs aren't Americans too and don't deserve police protection, then just became a sad joke when the Capitol rioters used it to attack cops to overrun the Capitol. So it now really doesn't stand for anything but strife.

The thin blue line predates BLM.  The phrase was first used by a cop in 1922.


That cop in 1922 got the phrase idea from George Santos.
 
2023-01-24 8:38:41 AM  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: bubbadave1056: It really is a violation of the U.S. Flag Code, "(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."  I can't believe so many people who claim to love the flag and the country regularly and repeatedly violate this code.

Read it all here:  https://www.legion.org/flag/code

The counter-argument I've heard is that the flag code only applies to real, physical flags. A shirt or sticker that looks like a flag isn't really a flag so it's exempt.

I think it's a stupid argument, but it exists nevertheless.


I wouldn't say it's a stupid argument. Take clothing for example. The code simply states that a flag should never be used as wearing apparel or worn as a costume. In that context it seems reasonable to assume they're talking about actual flags. To say otherwise would mean that you wouldn't be able to have a t-shirt with a flag on it, or wear a red, white, and blue patterned shirt.

Aside from that, the code is just that, a code. It's not a law, the only people required to follow it are those representing the federal government in an official capacity.
 
2023-01-24 8:43:15 AM  

question_dj: skybird659: It started out as a political response to the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, so, yeah, political. It was then co-opted by the Maga/Y'all Qedas as anti-lib, pro police like libs aren't Americans too and don't deserve police protection, then just became a sad joke when the Capitol rioters used it to attack cops to overrun the Capitol. So it now really doesn't stand for anything but strife.

The thin blue line predates BLM.  The phrase was first used by a cop in 1922.


I did not picture you as a boot licker.
 
2023-01-24 8:49:03 AM  

groppet: Can they go back to using their punisher logos? Funny thing is the Punisher would go after officers like the ones that like using the logo.


The funny thing was The Punisher *became* The Punisher *because* of the assholes like those.
 
2023-01-24 8:53:48 AM  
Hell our city wrapped some cop cars in it!!  So stupid.
 
2023-01-24 8:55:30 AM  

aimtastic: What a bunch of pathetic crybabies cops are. 'Removing the flags hurts morale" translates to 'If I don't see my special fwag, it hurts my pwecious wittle feefees.'


what are your thoughts on the Oregon town taking down the gay pride flag?
 
2023-01-24 8:56:23 AM  

DannyBrandt: "Things like this where the officers, the rank and file, the unions believe that it is a further demonstration of their lack of support could have a negative impact on morale, productivity, and that relates right to the crime surge,"

You can shut right the hell up, you disingenuous piece of sh*t.


That's awesome.
 
2023-01-24 9:27:02 AM  
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2023-01-24 9:39:14 AM  

Dr Dreidel: groppet: Can they go back to using their punisher logos? Funny thing is the Punisher would go has gone after officers like the ones that like using the logo.

"You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America, and he'd be happy to have you."

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// if cops were capable of understanding why Frank is the absolute worst role model for them to have, they wouldn't have become cops in the first place


Punisher's never been one of my favorites, but I absolutely hate the trajectory he's been on the past couple of years in the comics.

-Getting the War Machine armor. Way to honor the memory of our friend there, Tony...
-Now he's leading The Hand and they changed the logo to have demon horns

I get that Disney & Marvel are trying to distance Frank from the RL psychos that want to be him. A better way that wou;d be true to character, IMO, is a couple years of Frank busting up Y'All Queda members interspersed with killing the crime lords.

Frank: *standing over the body of a Proud Boy he's just beaten the ever-loving shiat out of* "Listen. Listen and spread the word to every rat-trap dive that will let you in. No more. No more of using me to justify your shiatty politics. No more disrespecting America or her flag. This is the way things work, now. I see anyone wearing or displaying this skull besides me, cop or civilian...I bust their head open. I see a 3% logo, I'm breaking bones. I see a Confederate Flag, I'm breaking bones. I see a Proud Boy logo, I'm breaking bones. And I find any of you bastards talking about overthrowing the government, I'm going to carve 'Article III, Section 3, Clause 1' in your corpses. That's the part of the Constitution that defines Treason. But, you're a super-patriot, so you already knew that, right?" *Frank smashes his foot on the man's hand, we can hear the bones grinding against each other* Understand?"
 
2023-01-24 9:45:45 AM  

weddingsinger: question_dj: skybird659: It started out as a political response to the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, so, yeah, political. It was then co-opted by the Maga/Y'all Qedas as anti-lib, pro police like libs aren't Americans too and don't deserve police protection, then just became a sad joke when the Capitol rioters used it to attack cops to overrun the Capitol. So it now really doesn't stand for anything but strife.

The thin blue line predates BLM.  The phrase was first used by a cop in 1922.

Poster is referring to the symbol, often a flag. It became popular circa 2014 in response to BLM.

As for the flag itself: for anyone wondering what's wrong with it... discuss the symbolism of it. An American flag where the color black is taking over. Thus the "Thin blue line" standing in opposition to that black, literally dividing the black, stopping it from taking over.

But then why wouldn't police fly overtly white supremacist symbols?


That flag has been around prior to 2014. It gained more notoriety in 2014, but it predates 2014.
 
2023-01-24 9:46:08 AM  
I just wrote in another thread that I just got back from visiting California, where my brother lives (we're Canadian). Of course I joke all the time about their being American flags on EVERYTHING (he works in clothing).

Long story short, he picks me up from the airport and we go grab breakfast. I pick up the ketchup bottle while we're waiting for food and the bottle has an American flag on it, because of course it does. Why wouldn't it? MURICA!

Also I have no idea what's going on with the LAPD. All of their vehicles seemed to be 20 years old and falling apart. It was frankly embarrassing.
 
2023-01-24 9:47:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: question_dj: skybird659: It started out as a political response to the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, so, yeah, political. It was then co-opted by the Maga/Y'all Qedas as anti-lib, pro police like libs aren't Americans too and don't deserve police protection, then just became a sad joke when the Capitol rioters used it to attack cops to overrun the Capitol. So it now really doesn't stand for anything but strife.

The thin blue line predates BLM.  The phrase was first used by a cop in 1922.

I did not picture you as a boot licker.


LOL. Yes, I licked boots by looking something up on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_blue_line

Because, I thought, "hey, that flag has been around for a hot minute. When did this bullshiat even start?"
 
2023-01-24 9:53:33 AM  

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2023-01-24 9:58:57 AM  
I thought the Thin Blue Line Flag was for micropenis...the Gadsden Flag is the Y'all Qaeda Flag
 
2023-01-24 9:59:20 AM  
Also, CSB about 'Blue Lives Matter'...

A bunch of lunkheads in Boston wanted to get a ton of 'Blue Lives Matter' t-shirts to sell. And of course, because it's Boston, they wanted them to be printed in Irish Gaelic. So, they run 'Blue Lives Matter' through Google Translate, and send the phrase that gets spat out to the t-shirt shop. Once the order is complete, they proudly put the shirts up for sale on the interwebs.

Then, an Irish woman who speaks fluent Gaelic dropped the ultimate bomb on them...

See, Gaelic is a very complex language. Some words have multiple meanings depending on use, active/passive, declension, masculine/feminine, and so on. They used the word 'gorm' for 'blue'; technically right. But, the primary Gaelic word for 'black', 'dubh', has secondary connotations of 'evil'. So, native Gaelic speakers refer to people of African descent with...

'Gorm'

Yes. These morons spent their start-up seed money printing thousands of t-shirts that say 'Black Lives Matter' in Gaelic.
 
2023-01-24 10:03:56 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Punisher's never been one of my favorites


Despite me being basically a pacifist, he's one of mine. Why? I dunno, blame Tom Jane and Lexi Alexander (who directed War Zone, which is criminally underrated). Maybe because it's a fantasy that the scales can be rebalanced by one master tactician brutally enforcing the idea of ultimate punishment for abuse of (physical or legal) power.

But I've really only read Garth Ennis' runs (his 60-issue Max run is FAR better than the main-channel work, which was pretty tame - apart from his amazing rooftop scene with Daredevil that they used in S2 of the Netflix Disney+ show, I don't remember much of it). Born is a farking amazing origin story (if slightly predictable): my headcanon is that Dan Abnett's Year One happens right after, followed by the main trunk of Ennis' Max run (plus the printed War Zone, plus his "three stories" collection, which isn't chronological), then Jason Aaron's 20-some issue run (culminating in - spoilers - Frank's end. Not sure if I read the coda, or if it's included in the collection I have).

2099 and FrankenFrank and him getting the War Machine armor and leading The Hand... comics are silly. The whole point of Frank is (and I think one of the movies says this flat out) that he represents a failure of The System - cops, mostly - to do their job. If laws were enforced fairly and fully and responsibly, we wouldn't need a vigilante to rebalance the scales.

And basically every time Frank goes after corrupt cops and judges and other government types - which IIRC is sprinkled all over Ennis' Max run - he makes it pretty clear that he thinks less of them than he does of mobsters and murderers. I tend to think that's a no-brainer built into the character; but as I say, if cops were capable of understanding that, they wouldn't be cops in the first place - they'd probably be Matt Murdock-esque lawyers.

// Ennis has a real problem with stereotyping and misogyny though
 
2023-01-24 10:10:35 AM  
"They see this as a very glaring, another example of the department not standing up for its rank and file. We know that policing is becoming a difficult job, more so because in some communities, there's a lack of trust," he said. "While the threat for the officers is getting higher and increasing, they're feeling less and less supported by the communities they serve, and in this case, they're saying by the chief who is supposed to protect them."

Why do you think there's a lack of trust? What could possibly be happening that's resulting in less support from the community? Are you addressing that, or just complaining about losing a flag which continues to divorce you from the community?

/serve's a strong word, too
 
2023-01-24 10:17:31 AM  

ColleenSezWhuut: Yeah but even comic books involve reading and reading is for "woke loosers"


It pains me to type it that way


It pains me to read it that way.
What about asleep tighters?
 
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