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(Bored Panda)   "I was on vacation for 2 weeks. I ignored the calls, texts and emails from my boss. Now I'm back and have a meeting with HR. I'm a junior employee with no company phone. What do?"   (boredpanda.com) divider line
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covfefe [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 2:00:13 PM  
Don't lie, you're On Reddit whenever you're not at work.
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 2:04:43 PM  

covfefe: Don't lie, you're On Reddit whenever you're not at work.


Could be worse. Could be in the Politics tab.
 
Uranus [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 2:13:08 PM  
In Germany it is illegal for your company to contact you when you are on vacation.

Please note that this is completely normal.
 
MrBallou [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-18 2:14:58 PM  
CSB: I once got ghost fired.

I worked as an asst. manager in a chain deli long ago. I went on vacation for a long backpacking trip, left my keys with the manager, thinking everything was fine. He liked me, I thought, but was a kind of a weirdo to be honest.

When I got back, I came in to find another manager in charge. Turns out that right after I left, the old manager did the paperwork to fire me and bad-mouthed me to the other employees, saying what a crap employee I was.

However, shortly after that, the parent company lowered the boom on him. He had been doing a number of bad things and they'd been planning to let him go. They brought in their 'hatchet man' to oust him and take over the store.

Turns out it was the same manager who had originally hired me, so he undid the termination paperwork before I got back. He told me the story, laughed, handed me the keys, and said get back to work.
 
scottydoesntknow [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 2:24:57 PM  
If you're salaried, then you're pretty much SOL. If you're hourly, they are going to be SOL. You aren't paying me to answer the phone during off hours and attempting to punish an employee for not working when they aren't being paid is not going to be good for them.
 
west.la.lawyer [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 2:46:11 PM  
Smart phones have not made work better
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 2:47:58 PM  

west.la.lawyer: Smart phones have not made work better


I intentionally disconnected my work email from my Gmail application on my phone. And I configured Slack to turn off outside of work hours.

So much better.
 
HugeMistake [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 2:56:20 PM  
Find a job with a company that actually understands the meaning - and value - of vacation.

BTW I used to routinely do this from a very early stage of my career, and never had a problem with it. I just set expectations, and went on my way.
 
OptimisticCynicism [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-18 2:58:42 PM  

HugeMistake: I just set expectations, and went on my way.


This. Make yourself valuable enough to not be disposable and set boundaries that they have to respect or lose you.
 
cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 2:58:47 PM  

scottydoesntknow: If you're salaried, then you're pretty much SOL. If you're hourly, they are going to be SOL. You aren't paying me to answer the phone during off hours and attempting to punish an employee for not working when they aren't being paid is not going to be good for them.


Even salary people deserve a life
 
Oreamnos
2023-01-18 2:59:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: If you're salaried, then you're pretty much SOL. If you're hourly, they are going to be SOL. You aren't paying me to answer the phone during off hours and attempting to punish an employee for not working when they aren't being paid is not going to be good for them.


If you are on vacation, you are NOT WORKING. This is not a sophisticated concept. Any management that doesn't understand this is psychopathic.
 
maxis_mydog
2023-01-18 3:09:15 PM  
I ran into this issue once. Came back from vacation and the little boss called me in and biatched me out for "being out of contact"
When I asked him if he was paying me to be on call and of course the answer was no.
I told him to pound sand. Vacation was my time, not the company's time. If he wasn't paying me, I wasn't available.  He felt that I was insubordinate and reported me to HR. Long story short, HR interviewed me and told little boss to pound sand. Vacation was vacation and the company looked poorly on any manager who would interrupt an employee's vacation.
 
whither_apophis [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 3:12:46 PM  
I'd check emails on vacation because otherwise my accounts would be a complete dumpster fire when I got back
 
Exile On Beale Street [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-18 3:13:41 PM  

MrBallou: CSB: I once got ghost fired.

I worked as an asst. manager in a chain deli long ago. I went on vacation for a long backpacking trip, left my keys with the manager, thinking everything was fine. He liked me, I thought, but was a kind of a weirdo to be honest.

When I got back, I came in to find another manager in charge. Turns out that right after I left, the old manager did the paperwork to fire me and bad-mouthed me to the other employees, saying what a crap employee I was.

However, shortly after that, the parent company lowered the boom on him. He had been doing a number of bad things and they'd been planning to let him go. They brought in their 'hatchet man' to oust him and take over the store.

Turns out it was the same manager who had originally hired me, so he undid the termination paperwork before I got back. He told me the story, laughed, handed me the keys, and said get back to work.


Me first job here was pretty decent, but I hated the commute and most of my coworkers. I heard Git'r Done constantly. I got promoted to a special team, which was a nice bonus to my paycheck. Then I took time off to Jamaica for my wedding/honeymoon. Motherfarker demoted me for one his boys as soon as I left. Found out from a buddy as soon as I got back. Called up my boss that morning before work and asked him why. "We'll talk about that when you get here." I then explained to him in great detail how he could go pound sand. Almost immediately got a better job with better hours.
 
scottydoesntknow [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 3:18:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: scottydoesntknow: If you're salaried, then you're pretty much SOL. If you're hourly, they are going to be SOL. You aren't paying me to answer the phone during off hours and attempting to punish an employee for not working when they aren't being paid is not going to be good for them.

Even salary people deserve a life


Ohh 100% agreed. My point is that the employee has a lot more options to deal with retaliatory actions by a company 'after-hours' if they're hourly. Last big corp I worked at was absolutely adamant that once an hourly person worked their 8 hours/day (or 40 for the week), they were not to be contacted about work, not to do any work, etc. They were dealing with potential suits about unpaid overtime. If you were in management, you were expected to answer at damn near anytime. There were a couple times (before I left and they folded) that I went in to HR after a 'vacation' and requested credited days back because I was on my vacation, and yet I spent a few hours dealing with work shiat and, as a salaried employee, that day is considered fully-worked and you owe me a vacation day now.
 
Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient
2023-01-18 3:23:16 PM  

whither_apophis: I'd check emails on vacation because otherwise my accounts would be a complete dumpster fire when I got back


That is true, but you should always tell people that you reserve the right to ignore the emails until you are finished your vacation.
 
Klivian
2023-01-18 3:25:21 PM  
One thing that America (or maybe it's just Massachusetts) has right is Paid Family Leave. I am going to be out soon for the birth of my daughter, and apparently according to HR I am barred by law from doing any work (because I'm getting paid by insurance), which also means they can't text me or call while I'm off.

It's going to be an interesting 3 months around here
 
freidog
2023-01-18 3:27:21 PM  

HugeMistake: Find a job with a company that actually understands the meaning - and value - of vacation.

BTW I used to routinely do this from a very early stage of my career, and never had a problem with it. I just set expectations, and went on my way.


I wish I had learned that about 10 years sooner.  There were months I'd be all too happy to be in at 4:30 or 5AM because somebody halfway around the world needed me for something.  Or spend Sunday morning running some task and then listening to my boss complain the company wasn't getting paid the off hours support.
I'm here at 7, I'm out at 4-4:30 M-F, unless the building is literally on fire, don't talk to me about work outside then.
 
scottydoesntknow [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 3:30:11 PM  

Klivian: One thing that America (or maybe it's just Massachusetts) has right is Paid Family Leave. I am going to be out soon for the birth of my daughter, and apparently according to HR I am barred by law from doing any work (because I'm getting paid by insurance), which also means they can't text me or call while I'm off.

It's going to be an interesting 3 months around here


Congratulations!

I hope you didn't pick some pop-culture name that will be a terrible name in a few years because the character you thought was a badass turned out to be a psychotic mass-murderer that burned entire cities!
 
DragonIV [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-18 3:31:42 PM  
My boss did this to me when I had been managing under him for several years.  He freaked out when something apparently wasn't to his liking and jumped in, wanting to micromanage.  Of course, he couldn't figure much out given his lack of experience with the project details and my folks were not very interested in helping because he's a giant asshole to everyone.  So, he calls my cell while I'm driving thru NJ on my way to FL, in the driving rain and nasty traffic.  I pick up, he's all "where is this, where is that, why this, why that, deadlines, blah blah blah."

Me:  "I'm busy driving in crappy weather.  Go back and manage your own stuff.  Everyone on my team is tasked with what I need them to do for the next two weeks, and know who to contact if they hit trouble.  You have my project plan and know what our status is.  I do not need your help.  Goodbye, and we'll chat when I'm back in the office if you have further questions at that time."

Talking later to my team confirmed what I guessed--he was volcanically mad at me.  But he got pissed at me all the time anyway, so what's a few more degrees of temperature, right?

Also knew that he'd never fire me--he didn't have the balls.  I did all his firing for him.  Turns out, I guessed right.
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-18 3:39:58 PM  
Quit. They don't deserve you.
 
bughunter [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-18 3:39:59 PM  
My experience as a middle manager and project manager is that it's not worth it to just take one week, or even two weeks off.  If you're gonna do it, save up the PTO and take a month.

One or two weeks is just long enough for problems to pile up, and just short enough for people to say, "Oh, bughunter will deal with it when he comes back."

So, you come back to a big pile of shiat, no shovel, on top of all the usual shiat to deal with.

/week of Christmas does not apply
//everybody is off so the shiat piles up regardless
 
Ass_Master_Flash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-18 3:42:14 PM  
employee is right. He should not have to answer calls on vacation or off time.

the employer also does not have to promote them.

welcome to the working world catch 22
 
rideaurocks
2023-01-18 3:43:36 PM  

bughunter: My experience as a middle manager and project manager is that it's not worth it to just take one week, or even two weeks off.  If you're gonna do it, save up the PTO and take a month.


Many companies hate this. I ran into severe pushback trying to do this for a summer road trip years ago (stuck to my guns). Guess they figure you'll get used to not being around and try making it permanent
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 3:54:09 PM  

bughunter: it's not worth it to just take one week, or even two weeks off.  If you're gonna do it, save up the PTO and take a month.


If you take a week off, it takes a day or two to decompress. And if you travel somewhere, there is jet lag. And so on.

It's always felt like you need two weeks straight -- at minimum -- to get the full benefit of a vacation.
 
Smelly Pirate Hooker
2023-01-18 4:12:53 PM  
Speaking as someone who's been working for about 30 years: employers in general don't give you credit for being available anytime, anywhere, but they sure don't hesitate to biatch if you can't accommodate them ONE time they call because you're, I dunno, on your honeymoon or undergoing surgery.

It's sad (people shouldn't have to be this way but assholes, as usual, make it necessary) but your job is not your family. When you're not at your job, you're not working. I don't care if you're hourly or salary. If you're on vacation, you are by definition unavailable. If they have a problem with that, that's gonna be a problem for you. Find another job, if you can. People who don't respect your right to have time off are not gonna get better. They will steal as much of your free time as you let them. So don't let them. Don't set it up as an expectation from the beginning, by saying foolish things like "Call me anytime." Just generally, people need to get shiat done during regular business hours. Exceptions should be just that: exceptions. Not SOP.

I know all this shiat is easy to say and easier for some than others. Just my advice. The kind of people who don't think employees are ever "off the clock" are in general terrible people to work for and often eventually end up paying for this bullshiat, like when an employee they've overworked to an appalling degree (something like 80 hours in one week) smashes into the back of a semi at high speed after falling asleep while driving home and barely survives, then is permanently brain damaged and can't work for the rest of his life (one real example I'm aware of). Working people to exhaustion isn't a great business practice. It is, ultimately, counterproductive for all sorts of reasons. I'm hoping Millennials will end it once and for all. It's farking toxic and needs to go away.
 
Some Bass Playing Guy [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 4:33:34 PM  

scottydoesntknow: If you're salaried, then you're pretty much SOL.


Being salaried doesn't being available 24x7.
 
Bob Falfa
2023-01-18 4:44:17 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: scottydoesntknow: If you're salaried, then you're pretty much SOL.

Being salaried doesn't being available 24x7.


Exactly.
I had a boss who would give me a hard time for not answering my company phone on my days off. I'd usually tell him "I was up in the mountains. No signal". After telling him that a bunch of times, he caught on and stopped trying to call me on my days off.
 
scottydoesntknow [TotalFark]
2023-01-18 4:56:07 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: scottydoesntknow: If you're salaried, then you're pretty much SOL.

Being salaried doesn't being available 24x7.


Yes, I know that and agree completely, as I've stated already.

My agreeing with you does not change the fact that many corporations (NOT me) DO view it that way, and salaried positions are twistworded into basically allowing them to contact a salaried employee at any time and punish if they aren't reached or ignored. An hourly person can argue they were not being paid nor was overtime approved, so legally the company could not retaliate as they were not at work. Salary positions don't always have that, and a pissy boss can make it hell.
 
Unobtanium [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-18 6:21:18 PM  
Work supplies a phone for their stuff. I once when I was new here got a call while I was on vacation, and decided to answer it. "How are you?"
"I'm on vacation."
"Oh! I'm sorry!"
"Is anyone dead or badly hurt?"
"Oh, my goodness, no."
"Fine. Put it in an email and I'll deal with it when I get back."
"Great. Enjoy your time off."

These days, when I take vacation, I send an email to my direct reports and my boss, the department head, and our office manager. "I'm on vacation until [whatever]. I will respond to texts, emails, and voicemails when I return." I set up my out of office responder with that same message. I never get push back from my folks. Other people in the company, sometimes, very rarely push back a little ("You didn't respond last week." "You should have seen my vacation auto-respond." "Oh, yeah."). Also, Outlook and Teams make it pretty easy to set up calendar blocks.

The company has actually expanded vacation for salaried employees last year and is working to make it that they can be an actual vacation.

Previous job, my Blackberry overnight sound profile was "Ringer on, mute everything else."
Boss: "How come you didn't answer my text until this morning?"
"Because I was sleeping."
"You didn't hear the text?"
"Nope."
Boss: ..... (He didn't understand the flexibility of BB sound profiles. Good Lord, I wish Google and Apple would both license those).
 
ZephyrHawk
2023-01-18 7:31:59 PM  
In the nearly 10 years I spent in a job I absolutely hated, working for a guy I could not stand (in my defense, it was  the Great Recession), I raised my voice to my boss only twice.

1. When he was supposed to be on vacation with his wife for the first time in years, but was emailing us every day. I made it abundantly clear that we were handling everything JUST FINE without him there.

2. When he chastised me for being unavailable by phone for 3 full days during my vacation. "I WAS IN YELLOWSTONE. I TOLD YOU BEFOREHAND THEY DON'T HAVE CELL TOWERS!"
 
Swampmaster
2023-01-18 7:45:27 PM  

Klivian: One thing that America (or maybe it's just Massachusetts) has right is Paid Family Leave. I am going to be out soon for the birth of my daughter, and apparently according to HR I am barred by law from doing any work (because I'm getting paid by insurance), which also means they can't text me or call while I'm off.

It's going to be an interesting 3 months around here


Is there a mandatory or suggested fine "per incident?"  Kind of like when telemarketers or debt collectors hound you?  Time to save ALL the attempted contacts and then get rich by suing the company for violating their own policy and the State/Fed labor laws!!!
 
Deathbymeteor
2023-01-18 7:46:45 PM  

Unobtanium: Work supplies a phone for their stuff. I once when I was new here got a call while I was on vacation, and decided to answer it. "How are you?"
"I'm on vacation."
"Oh! I'm sorry!"
"Is anyone dead or badly hurt?"
"Oh, my goodness, no."
"Fine. Put it in an email and I'll deal with it when I get back."
"Great. Enjoy your time off."

These days, when I take vacation, I send an email to my direct reports and my boss, the department head, and our office manager. "I'm on vacation until [whatever]. I will respond to texts, emails, and voicemails when I return." I set up my out of office responder with that same message. I never get push back from my folks. Other people in the company, sometimes, very rarely push back a little ("You didn't respond last week." "You should have seen my vacation auto-respond." "Oh, yeah."). Also, Outlook and Teams make it pretty easy to set up calendar blocks.

The company has actually expanded vacation for salaried employees last year and is working to make it that they can be an actual vacation.

Previous job, my Blackberry overnight sound profile was "Ringer on, mute everything else."
Boss: "How come you didn't answer my text until this morning?"
"Because I was sleeping."
"You didn't hear the text?"
"Nope."
Boss: ..... (He didn't understand the flexibility of BB sound profiles. Good Lord, I wish Google and Apple would both license those).


I mean, my phone has that as a default setting for do not disturb: no notification sounds, no message sounds, ringer only.  It can even be more restrictive, and go "ringer only for contacts"
 
Swampmaster
2023-01-18 7:54:18 PM  

Bob Falfa: Some Bass Playing Guy: scottydoesntknow: If you're salaried, then you're pretty much SOL.

Being salaried doesn't being available 24x7.

Exactly.
I had a boss who would give me a hard time for not answering my company phone on my days off. I'd usually tell him "I was up in the mountains. No signal". After telling him that a bunch of times, he caught on and stopped trying to call me on my days off.


When they don't tell you about an after hours rotation schedule or something like that, but call you late at night; I always am 3 Margaritas into a late night Fajita buffet and Sorry, can't drive into work to fix whatever.  Call the real On-call guy; and if he doesn't answer or blows you off, that is on him!

/ yes, with a salted Rim!
 
Unobtanium [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-18 8:09:25 PM  

Deathbymeteor: I mean, my phone has that as a default setting for do not disturb: no notification sounds, no message sounds, ringer only.  It can even be more restrictive, and go "ringer only for contacts"


Yes, but I wanted the ringer only on. DND silences everything. Android used to have separate ringer and notification volumes, but they changed that several versions ago. The compromise is the "VIP list" which are supposed to pass through the DND. I have found it doesn't always work.
 
SuperChuck
2023-01-18 9:28:52 PM  

Unobtanium: Deathbymeteor: I mean, my phone has that as a default setting for do not disturb: no notification sounds, no message sounds, ringer only.  It can even be more restrictive, and go "ringer only for contacts"

Yes, but I wanted the ringer only on. DND silences everything. Android used to have separate ringer and notification volumes, but they changed that several versions ago. The compromise is the "VIP list" which are supposed to pass through the DND. I have found it doesn't always work.


I have my DND set to silence everything but "priority notifications" which I set to alarms and phone calls only.
 
Jedbone
2023-01-18 9:57:27 PM  
It all comes down to the quality of the company, and your manager. Do they value your time, or their (possibly laughable) 'emergency'?  Prepping people ahead of OoO time is a great idea.  Only assholes would ignore that and still demand your cooperation.

Another pivotal factor is who pays for the device. I'll be somewhat more deferential to their cell phone for sure.  But in my case, they don't pay for mine. I use mine for their auth apps and the rare text from coworkers, and for voice while I am "on call" of course, but having email or instant messaging on there?  Oh, Hell No. Far too disruptive, even if it might be more convenient for me at rare times.

If you're following the law and company guidelines, fark 'em. Open-ended guidelines are a Red Flag with a capital R. Yes, they can retaliate against you, it's a risk you take. See the BoredPanda thread for some great tips on that.  I've been fortunate enough to work with functioning adults for most of my so-called career, it's not been a problem.

That said, when on PTO I will check messages every 2-3 days to make sure I'm not behind the 8 ball, or coming back to a shiatstorm. But, it's done when I have a spare 15 minutes to do so, at my discretion.  The risk is that you can get stressed out about unfinished business; but I can then make time to respond, to the extent necessary, on my terms.

Best of luck to all in our wacky working world.  Alternative is you can run your own company, so you can feel it all 24x7 :)
 
Jedbone
2023-01-18 10:14:37 PM  
Kills me when I see people with smart watches. This, in an age when watches are getting more infrequent. Texts popping up at all times for others nearby to see, and who the hell knows what else they are good for (fitness, I understand). Talk about maximum annoyance.  Might work for some, but I'll stick with my analog watch faces.  Many use their phones to tell time, but I sure don't want yet another reason to pick up the electronic leash.  Without a watch I would glance at my naked wrist 6+ times a day, unless I'm outside doing real human things, as I do on the weekends.
 
Robinfro
2023-01-19 12:19:04 AM  

Unobtanium: Deathbymeteor: I mean, my phone has that as a default setting for do not disturb: no notification sounds, no message sounds, ringer only.  It can even be more restrictive, and go "ringer only for contacts"

Yes, but I wanted the ringer only on. DND silences everything. Android used to have separate ringer and notification volumes, but they changed that several versions ago. The compromise is the "VIP list" which are supposed to pass through the DND. I have found it doesn't always work.


And that's why I'm perfectly happy with my S8. I'm not dealing with national security secrets or employer crap or anything that makes needing to stay supported & patched. I don't fark around on skeevy pron sites, pop-up blockers enabled & redirects disabled.
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Robinfro
2023-01-19 12:26:40 AM  

Jedbone: Kills me when I see people with smart watches. This, in an age when watches are getting more infrequent. Texts popping up at all times for others nearby to see, and who the hell knows what else they are good for (fitness, I understand). Talk about maximum annoyance.  Might work for some, but I'll stick with my analog watch faces.  Many use their phones to tell time, but I sure don't want yet another reason to pick up the electronic leash.  Without a watch I would glance at my naked wrist 6+ times a day, unless I'm outside doing real human things, as I do on the weekends.


I use(d) mine as a grounding method the first few months off the sauce when I'd have panic attacks I couldn't break out of. The built-in EKG & O2 sensor let me see that I wasn't in a-fib & I was, in fact, getting plenty of oxygen. Now, I use it while I'm climbing under my truck or splitting wood & don't wanna risk breaking my phone.
 
PTP_Professor
2023-01-19 9:00:49 AM  
Last time I got a call on vacation from my boss was him calling to share a laugh and tell me that a client had blacklisted me from their property for pointing out a bunch of HIPAA and PCI violations, and pointing out that one of his nurses was using the office laptop to be a cam girl. Boss then said, "where do we find these stupid clients? Go buy your wife dinner on the company card, I forgot to tell you to do that before you left." $250 dinner, and $100 bar tab charged to company card, and boss didn't bat an eye.

He did a double take next year when myself and 2 other employees were at Disney at the same time and racked up a $800 dinner taking our families out together.
 
Petite Mel
2023-01-19 1:10:45 PM  

Robinfro: Unobtanium: Deathbymeteor: I mean, my phone has that as a default setting for do not disturb: no notification sounds, no message sounds, ringer only.  It can even be more restrictive, and go "ringer only for contacts"

Yes, but I wanted the ringer only on. DND silences everything. Android used to have separate ringer and notification volumes, but they changed that several versions ago. The compromise is the "VIP list" which are supposed to pass through the DND. I have found it doesn't always work.

And that's why I'm perfectly happy with my S8. I'm not dealing with national security secrets or employer crap or anything that makes needing to stay supported & patched. I don't fark around on skeevy pron sites, pop-up blockers enabled & redirects disabled.
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Any Pie Left
2023-01-19 2:21:37 PM  
My boss was required to be available 24/7/365. She thought that people who report to her should be as well.

There is limit to how many times you can ask an employee to work outside of normal hours, as a personal favor; say, you have a copy worker scheduled to work Saturday but they get a family emergency and you are asked to fill in...

I would do that from time to time, though I could have said no, because we're human beings on a team, and I would expect a team mate to do the same for me. It's not a favor to the boss.

But a bad boss like mine would interpret such action differently, and she would try to call me in on days off, more and more. She got indignant when I declined. Said part of my job requirements was to be flexible about emergency assignments.

Maybe she could manage her resources better, properly staff her bureau, and not have so many emergencies. But she lived in fear of the head office and would never deny their requests.

My previous boss and mentor was never afraid to tell his superiors that he could not accommodate a particular request without a specific resource... And guess what?

They would either get him that resource or change the request to something that could be done with existing resources.

But my cowardly manager could never do that.
 
Robinfro
2023-01-19 4:05:54 PM  

Petite Mel: Robinfro: Unobtanium: Deathbymeteor: I mean, my phone has that as a default setting for do not disturb: no notification sounds, no message sounds, ringer only.  It can even be more restrictive, and go "ringer only for contacts"

Yes, but I wanted the ringer only on. DND silences everything. Android used to have separate ringer and notification volumes, but they changed that several versions ago. The compromise is the "VIP list" which are supposed to pass through the DND. I have found it doesn't always work.

And that's why I'm perfectly happy with my S8. I'm not dealing with national security secrets or employer crap or anything that makes needing to stay supported & patched. I don't fark around on skeevy pron sites, pop-up blockers enabled & redirects disabled.
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Yeah, yeah. That's the one thing I hate about this phone: without rooting it I can't reassign that damn button to something more useful.
 
Deathbymeteor
2023-01-19 6:47:15 PM  

Unobtanium: Deathbymeteor: I mean, my phone has that as a default setting for do not disturb: no notification sounds, no message sounds, ringer only.  It can even be more restrictive, and go "ringer only for contacts"

Yes, but I wanted the ringer only on. DND silences everything. Android used to have separate ringer and notification volumes, but they changed that several versions ago. The compromise is the "VIP list" which are supposed to pass through the DND. I have found it doesn't always work.


It still does (Moto Edge 2021):

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It's had that feature on every Android phone I've used since at least a Nexus 5X
 
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