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(NBC 2 Fort Myers)   Man chose to ride out Hurricane Ian last September in his boat "Good Girl" while docked at marina. Both were found this weekend at bottom of Matanzas Pass   (nbc-2.com) divider line
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maddog2030 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-16 1:22:47 AM  
So the missing boat was found underwater in it's slip? You would think someone might have tugged on the mooring lines that were going straight into the water
 
The Weekend Baker
2023-01-16 7:10:47 AM  
Our thoughts and prayers are with his family.

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Don't Troll Me Bro!
2023-01-16 7:11:02 AM  
Those posts at the dock become spears when storm surge brings the water level near their tops, then the waves bounce the boat on them and turn it into Swiss cheese.
 
wademh
2023-01-16 7:12:27 AM  

maddog2030: So the missing boat was found underwater in it's slip? You would think someone might have tugged on the mooring lines that were going straight into the water


Article says the boat from found across the bay from his slip.
 
towatchoverme
2023-01-16 7:15:29 AM  
To quote Ron White:

"It's not THAT the wind is blowing. It's WHAT the wind is blowing."
 
Maker_of_Roads [TotalFark]
2023-01-16 7:15:44 AM  
Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

I'm not sails-man or anything, I don't know a stern from a poopdeck. But I do know that the videos I see of marinas just before a hurrican hits make it seem like a place I wouldn't want to be, much less during the actual storm.

And this guy's first choice was to drive down to the marina and wait it out on something moveable during that whole thing?

I don't want to speak ill of the dead or anything, but that is farking stupid.
 
dammit just give me a login [TotalFark]
2023-01-16 7:17:52 AM  

maddog2030: So the missing boat was found underwater in it's slip? You would think someone might have tugged on the mooring lines that were going straight into the water


Don't think it was his slip, or even his marina.
"The marina he was found at is just across the bay from where he docked."
The GG and he were blown over there and sank (finished sinking) against the concrete dock.  They just got around to cleaning it up and id'ed the boat and found his body in the process.
 
WTF is a Drexel
2023-01-16 7:19:33 AM  

maddog2030: So the missing boat was found underwater in it's slip? You would think someone might have tugged on the mooring lines that were going straight into the water


It was found in a canal across the bay from his marina.
 
Rattrap007
2023-01-16 7:26:12 AM  
I live in the mid west. We have tornadoes. You get a few minutes warning there. Hurricane you have a few days. Get your ass out of town! Same with forrest fires. Leave. Look a flash flood or tornado I can see getting caught in. But this? If you stay and die I have little sympathy.
 
I won a math debate
2023-01-16 7:26:28 AM  
"Whaddaya gonna do, sink me?"

-quote from man sunk
 
Russ1642
2023-01-16 7:28:21 AM  
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Some Junkie Cosmonaut
2023-01-16 7:29:06 AM  

Maker_of_Roads: Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

I'm not sails-man or anything, I don't know a stern from a poopdeck. But I do know that the videos I see of marinas just before a hurrican hits make it seem like a place I wouldn't want to be, much less during the actual storm.

And this guy's first choice was to drive down to the marina and wait it out on something moveable during that whole thing?

I don't want to speak ill of the dead or anything, but that is farking stupid.


Depends.  In a seriously sheltered bay with heavy work done to make slips and moorings sheltered, it'll work about as well as hunkering down in a normal building would.  Estero island where he was pretty much managed to not get drastically impacted by hurricanes beyond tidal surge flooding most of the time for quite a while, which probably impacted his decision.  When the place gets flooded but the direct hurricane damage isn't too bad then a boat is a pretty good place it be sitting.  Unfortunately for him, nature decided to emphasize that "most" also means "sometimes it does - surprise!"  Not a great idea, but not as completely insane as it seems offhand given the history of hurricane impact on Estero Island taken as a whole.  Still, the person I know who grew up out there - when a major hurricane was coming they left - as did most who could
 
Cythraul
2023-01-16 7:32:43 AM  
I would think choosing to be in a boat, near the shore, is the worst possible place to decide to ride out a hurricane.  Gotta wonder what was going on in his head.
 
mrwknd
2023-01-16 7:32:46 AM  
Wait! You had a farking sailboat and couldn't sail it to somewhere safe(r)?

Hell, you can sail about 100 miles a day. In three days he could have been 300 miles well out of the way from the worst of it.
 
Mock26
2023-01-16 7:33:50 AM  
On the one hand it is sad he died. On the other and there is one less moran in the world.
 
brainlordmesomorph
2023-01-16 7:36:24 AM  

Rattrap007: I live in the mid west. We have tornadoes. You get a few minutes warning there. Hurricane you have a few days. Get your ass out of town! Same with forrest fires. Leave. Look a flash flood or tornado I can see getting caught in. But this? If you stay and die I have little sympathy.


Its not that simple.

The warnings are iffy. Very often they say to evacuate and the storm weakens or turns and nothing happens.

Leaving isn't easy or cheap, (hotels fill up and get expensive) and leaving all your stuff behind is dangerous, With power and phones off, there are break ins, or fires and you could lose everything.

A lot of people simply cannot leave, and they hope against hope that their hourly job is still there when its all over.
 
Mock26
2023-01-16 7:38:22 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Maker_of_Roads: Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

I'm not sails-man or anything, I don't know a stern from a poopdeck. But I do know that the videos I see of marinas just before a hurrican hits make it seem like a place I wouldn't want to be, much less during the actual storm.

And this guy's first choice was to drive down to the marina and wait it out on something moveable during that whole thing?

I don't want to speak ill of the dead or anything, but that is farking stupid.

Depends.  In a seriously sheltered bay with heavy work done to make slips and moorings sheltered, it'll work about as well as hunkering down in a normal building would.  Estero island where he was pretty much managed to not get drastically impacted by hurricanes beyond tidal surge flooding most of the time for quite a while, which probably impacted his decision.  When the place gets flooded but the direct hurricane damage isn't too bad then a boat is a pretty good place it be sitting.  Unfortunately for him, nature decided to emphasize that "most" also means "sometimes it does - surprise!"  Not a great idea, but not as completely insane as it seems offhand given the history of hurricane impact on Estero Island taken as a whole.  Still, the person I know who grew up out there - when a major hurricane was coming they left - as did most who could


Not knowing that hurricanes can and do change course and thinking you would be safe just because past hurricanes did not cause a lot of damage to this island is really farking stupid.
 
usahole
2023-01-16 7:39:34 AM  

mrwknd: Wait! You had a farking sailboat and couldn't sail it to somewhere safe(r)?

Hell, you can sail about 100 miles a day. In three days he could have been 300 miles well out of the way from the worst of it.


I get the feeling you're not a sailor
 
The Smails Kid
2023-01-16 7:42:50 AM  

usahole: mrwknd: Wait! You had a farking sailboat and couldn't sail it to somewhere safe(r)?

Hell, you can sail about 100 miles a day. In three days he could have been 300 miles well out of the way from the worst of it.

I get the feeling you're not a sailor


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CheatCommando [TotalFark]
2023-01-16 7:43:21 AM  
Hurst was known to have mobility problems and required a walker to move around. The last place he was seen was on his boat, which was docked at the Island Bay Marina on September 28, 2022, the day Hurricane Ian made landfall.

So he was probably unable to sail the boat. Now I understand he was an adult and all, but if that had been my dad I would have essentially kidnapped his ass and brought him somewhere safe. I think there was perhaps more to this story than we know. Family doesn't sound all that broken up about it in the story either, but that could just be shiatty reporting.
 
The Smails Kid
2023-01-16 7:43:56 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Rattrap007: I live in the mid west. We have tornadoes. You get a few minutes warning there. Hurricane you have a few days. Get your ass out of town! Same with forrest fires. Leave. Look a flash flood or tornado I can see getting caught in. But this? If you stay and die I have little sympathy.

Its not that simple.

The warnings are iffy. Very often they say to evacuate and the storm weakens or turns and nothing happens.

Leaving isn't easy or cheap, (hotels fill up and get expensive) and leaving all your stuff behind is dangerous, With power and phones off, there are break ins, or fires and you could lose everything.

A lot of people simply cannot leave, and they hope against hope that their hourly job is still there when its all over.


TFA said he had mobility problems too. Probably didn't have very many good options.
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
2023-01-16 7:48:12 AM  

Mock26: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Maker_of_Roads: Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

I'm not sails-man or anything, I don't know a stern from a poopdeck. But I do know that the videos I see of marinas just before a hurrican hits make it seem like a place I wouldn't want to be, much less during the actual storm.

And this guy's first choice was to drive down to the marina and wait it out on something moveable during that whole thing?

I don't want to speak ill of the dead or anything, but that is farking stupid.

Depends.  In a seriously sheltered bay with heavy work done to make slips and moorings sheltered, it'll work about as well as hunkering down in a normal building would.  Estero island where he was pretty much managed to not get drastically impacted by hurricanes beyond tidal surge flooding most of the time for quite a while, which probably impacted his decision.  When the place gets flooded but the direct hurricane damage isn't too bad then a boat is a pretty good place it be sitting.  Unfortunately for him, nature decided to emphasize that "most" also means "sometimes it does - surprise!"  Not a great idea, but not as completely insane as it seems offhand given the history of hurricane impact on Estero Island taken as a whole.  Still, the person I know who grew up out there - when a major hurricane was coming they left - as did most who could

Not knowing that hurricanes can and do change course and thinking you would be safe just because past hurricanes did not cause a lot of damage to this island is really farking stupid.


It didn't have anything to do with course - Estero gets plastered it's right on the coast - unless the hurricane avoids the whole area they get hit.  They just normally didn't take a lot of direct damage from it barring the aforementioned tidal flooding.  Probably what got this guy was a serious flood surge that picked up the boat and slammed it across the bay into the other slip, killing him.  It still wasn't what I'd call smart, no - but it's about in line with staying on the island in a building in decent shape if his slip was sheltered reasonably well.  Still not a great idea, but not quite rampaging lunacy either.  More of a regular grade risky decision that went south than "You're a complete suicidal loon" territory.  As I said, the people with actual sense got the fark off of there when the shiat was rolling in
 
Spawn_of_Cthulhu
2023-01-16 7:48:29 AM  

Maker_of_Roads: Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

I'm not sails-man or anything, I don't know a stern from a poopdeck. But I do know that the videos I see of marinas just before a hurrican hits make it seem like a place I wouldn't want to be, much less during the actual storm.

And this guy's first choice was to drive down to the marina and wait it out on something moveable during that whole thing?

I don't want to speak ill of the dead or anything, but that is farking stupid.


He didn't drive down there. He lived on the boat. He was old and used a walker. Maybe he was done with life and wanted to go out with his beloved boat.
 
jntaylor63
2023-01-16 7:49:37 AM  
Is the Darwin Award still a thing?
 
The Exit Stencilist
2023-01-16 7:50:21 AM  
At least he died doing what he loved. Being a raging dipshiat
 
Lokilaw2012 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-16 7:55:00 AM  
This article felt like playing a slot machine and winning a Florida prize.

[pulls lever to spin all three wheels].....first wheel "Good Girl"....second wheel "Salty Sams"....[fingers crossed].....third wheel "Fort Meyers Beach"......WINNER!!!
 
HighlanderRPI
2023-01-16 7:55:16 AM  
In his CD player, they found the greatest hits from Styx set on repeat
 
Northern
2023-01-16 7:57:58 AM  

maddog2030: So the missing boat was found underwater in it's slip? You would think someone might have tugged on the mooring lines that were going straight into the water


There was a logjam of ships everywhere, the marina was likely overwhelmed dealing with the owners and insurance companies.
A more relevant question is why didn't any of this guys kids fly out or call the marina to check on him?  The elderly boat owner needed a walker to get around.  In fact, anyone with that level of disability has no business living on a boat for obvious reasons.  Having said that this looks a lot like suicide.  The guy must have known of the danger, had a few drinks, and drowned in his stupor.
 
TenJed_77
2023-01-16 8:06:30 AM  

Rattrap007: I live in the mid west. We have tornadoes. You get a few minutes warning there. Hurricane you have a few days. Get your ass out of town! Same with forrest fires. Leave. Look a flash flood or tornado I can see getting caught in. But this? If you stay and die I have little sympathy.


Correct the spelling or make a joke about Gump starting fires?

You live in the mid-west and don't travel? Because you don't always get much warning for fires. They can move at 15-20 miles an hour.
 
TheCableGuy
2023-01-16 8:07:16 AM  
Did anyone ask the hard hitting important questions? Whose boat is this boat?
 
Ker_Thwap [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-16 8:09:54 AM  
I'm about 90% "Idiot dies doing something stupid." and about 10% "But, he lived on his boat, and maybe would have been homeless without that boat."

Maybe it was the equivalent of "walking out onto the glacier" when you think it's your time to die?  I can think of worse ways to die.

/Look at me getting all sentimental.
 
The Pope of Manwich Village
2023-01-16 8:12:02 AM  
🎶HERE I AM - MOCKED YOU LIKE A HURRICANE🎶
 
Pert
2023-01-16 8:16:25 AM  
From the article: "Hurst was known to have mobility problems and required a walker to move around."

I hope that someone asked him if he needed any help leaving the boat, and he wasn't just stuck there.
 
mrwknd
2023-01-16 8:19:53 AM  
usahole

mrwknd: Wait! You had a farking sailboat and couldn't sail it to somewhere safe(r)?

Hell, you can sail about 100 miles a day. In three days he could have been 300 miles well out of the way from the worst of it.

I get the feeling you're not a sailor



No, I was in the Army. Yes I know how to sail, yes I know when to sit out a hurricane, and when to evacuate. Yes, if it were my sailboat in that situation, I would have left, using the boat, or upping my insurance and driving out of path.

There's dumb and there's stupid, Darwin has the best odds at these levels.
 
Nick Nostril
2023-01-16 8:26:33 AM  
He sure showed that storm who's boss.
 
Spartapuss
2023-01-16 8:27:24 AM  
Damn, I was hoping this was a stealth follow-up to some arrogant yokel that was interviewed when the hurricane hit. The story as is is just kind of sad.
 
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste
2023-01-16 8:28:08 AM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: Maker_of_Roads: Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

I'm not sails-man or anything, I don't know a stern from a poopdeck. But I do know that the videos I see of marinas just before a hurrican hits make it seem like a place I wouldn't want to be, much less during the actual storm.

And this guy's first choice was to drive down to the marina and wait it out on something moveable during that whole thing?

I don't want to speak ill of the dead or anything, but that is farking stupid.

He didn't drive down there. He lived on the boat. He was old and used a walker. Maybe he was done with life and wanted to go out with his beloved boat.


Two best days in a boat-owner's life, the day he buys the boat and the day he sells the boat dies in the boat.
 
JustSayYo
2023-01-16 8:33:21 AM  
Never underestimate stupid determined people.

My family is originally from New York my mom moved down to the coast in North Carolina. She always insisted upon staying in her house during hurricanes to ride out the storm because... she knew better than any meteorologist, and the sheriff's department?
There was no convincing her that this was a stupid idea and that her 50 years of living in NY where there are practically no hurricanes and never a direct would not prepare her for a coastal hurricane in the south.

I had to do a wellness call after the last big hurricane cuz nobody in the family can get in touch with her for 4 days. I'm sure the police appreciated having to go out to check on her dumbass and tell her to call her family
 
Bigsack
2023-01-16 8:39:57 AM  
Lots of stupid people here decided to ride out the storm. We sure didn't , we didn't come back until we had electric
 
Ker_Thwap [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-16 8:40:26 AM  

mrwknd: usahole

mrwknd: Wait! You had a farking sailboat and couldn't sail it to somewhere safe(r)?

Hell, you can sail about 100 miles a day. In three days he could have been 300 miles well out of the way from the worst of it.

I get the feeling you're not a sailor


No, I was in the Army. Yes I know how to sail, yes I know when to sit out a hurricane, and when to evacuate. Yes, if it were my sailboat in that situation, I would have left, using the boat, or upping my insurance and driving out of path.

There's dumb and there's stupid, Darwin has the best odds at these levels.


Agreed, I also used to sail, when I was younger and richer.  Sailing away is a young man's game.  100 miles a day is generous, depending on the boat, and assuming one can stay awake for three days straight, or sail through shipping lanes asleep on auto-pilot and not get hit, that you can find a marina, barring that, some hurricane hole where you scramble to tie off the boat among the mangroves.  This is assuming it wasn't a wreck of a boat and is even seaworthy.

In this guy's situation, his only real option was to beg someone to tie some extra lines to his boat, and thrown himself on the mercy of strangers/the community/the government.  It's also Florida, they probably would have called him a communist for asking for help, and arrested him for vagrancy.
 
WilderKWight
2023-01-16 8:44:58 AM  
Shannon:"Regardless, the boat has been found. Ope. Is that part of it coming up right there?"


Leave it to a Florida news source to keep "ope" in the sentence when reporting what people said.

We don't say "ope" up here where I live. I find it to be a very curious exclamation. The closest we have is in the Greek parts of the state where they say Opa! Although Yoopers might say it. I don't hang around with very many Yoopers these days, seeing as there's no compelling reason to be in the U.P. unless you really like snow, trees, moose, rutabagas, or hundreds of miles of empty road.
 
WilderKWight
2023-01-16 8:51:26 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Two best days in a boat-owner's life, the day he buys the boat and the day he sells the boat dies in the boat.


In Michigan, those two days are the day he buys the boat, and the day he abandons the boat on the side of the road in Detroit or Flint. Nobody sells their used boat in Michigan, because most of us, despite living around gigantic lakes and tons of rivers and smaller inland lakes, would never take on the responsibility or expense of owning a boat because we grew up watching the guys who did own boats abandon them in Detroit and Flint because they couldn't manage it.

The only people who really keep their boats are the wealthy ones with a cottage up north, a big McMansion elsewhere in the state, and enough money to maintain the boat just to cling onto the prestige they think they get from owning a boat and a dock of their own on the lake.

In short, only rich fools and career sailors or fishermen buy boats. The rest of us rent them.
 
Someone Else's Alt [TotalFark]
2023-01-16 8:54:08 AM  

Maker_of_Roads: Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

I'm not sails-man or anything, I don't know a stern from a poopdeck. But I do know that the videos I see of marinas just before a hurrican hits make it seem like a place I wouldn't want to be, much less during the actual storm.

And this guy's first choice was to drive down to the marina and wait it out on something moveable during that whole thing?

I don't want to speak ill of the dead or anything, but that is farking stupid.


A boat can be a very good and safe way to ride out a hurricane, IF it is tied up properly in a proper place like a secure mooring in a sheltered cove upwind and away from other boats, in a narrow sheltered canal or mangrove cut etc.

A marina with floating docks and a bunch of other boats is NOT a good idea.
 
MythDragon [TotalFark]
2023-01-16 9:08:15 AM  

Maker_of_Roads: Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

I'm not sails-man or anything, I don't know a stern from a poopdeck. But I do know that the videos I see of marinas just before a hurrican hits make it seem like a place I wouldn't want to be, much less during the actual storm.

And this guy's first choice was to drive down to the marina and wait it out on something moveable during that whole thing?

I don't want to speak ill of the dead or anything, but that is farking stupid.


He would have had better luck out to sea a little.  Much less stuff to bounce in to.
 
Rancho Apocalypto
2023-01-16 9:15:47 AM  
I wouldn't call this particular Florida Man stupid. During the 20 years I owned/cruised/lived aboard a sailboat, I encountered many guys like this one. It's always a guy. You name the country, every affordable marina & anchorage has at least one - an old phart living aboard a small boat that may be (or more often, is not) seaworthy. The typical story is the guy starts out as half of a cruising couple. Sooner or later the wife returns ashore & the guy is still so emotionally attached to the boatin' life that he chooses to become a singlehander over having a relationship. Time passes, health problems increase, sometimes there's an overlay of mental health issues, & even if he enjoys the caring concern of other family members eventually the singlehander dies aboard. Usually from a heart attack or other common medical condition, sometimes from a hurricane, and sometimes at the hand of a serial killer (Google Panama's Javier Martin). This poor fellow in Florida had nowhere else to go that he could both afford and maintain the kind of independence he refused to compromise on. He simply chose to die aboard a boat instead of in one of the some 240 mobile homes Hurricane Ian flattened.
 
Rancho Apocalypto
2023-01-16 9:20:04 AM  

MythDragon: Maker_of_Roads: Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

He would have had better luck out to sea a little.  Much less stuff to bounce in to.


Heading out to sea in a hurricane? Tell me you know nothing about the open ocean without telling me you know nothing about the open ocean.
 
powhound
2023-01-16 9:32:29 AM  

Maker_of_Roads: Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

I'm not sails-man or anything, I don't know a stern from a poopdeck. But I do know that the videos I see of marinas just before a hurrican hits make it seem like a place I wouldn't want to be, much less during the actual storm.

And this guy's first choice was to drive down to the marina and wait it out on something moveable during that whole thing?

I don't want to speak ill of the dead or anything, but that is farking stupid.


Or ... maybe he had made his peace with whatever sky wizard was his and knowing that his boat would be toast he wanted to spend his last days with her, rather than humans.

Seriously people, stop thinking this was a decision to stay safe. It wasn't. It was a decision to stay with a loved one.
 
powhound
2023-01-16 9:33:46 AM  

Rattrap007: I live in the mid west. We have tornadoes. You get a few minutes warning there. Hurricane you have a few days. Get your ass out of town! Same with forrest fires. Leave. Look a flash flood or tornado I can see getting caught in. But this? If you stay and die I have little sympathy.


He doesn't give two shiats about your "sympathy".
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
2023-01-16 9:34:07 AM  

Rancho Apocalypto: MythDragon: Maker_of_Roads: Of all of the places in which to "ride out" a storm, a hurricane in fact, why tf would you choose a boat?

He would have had better luck out to sea a little.  Much less stuff to bounce in to.

Heading out to sea in a hurricane? Tell me you know nothing about the open ocean without telling me you know nothing about the open ocean.


Heh - might do if you're in a cruise ship, container ship, or other big beast that's just gonna get tossed around some.  They're nigh unsinkable that way, they're flat out made to do it.  Otherwise, I'll be looking tie up somewhere secure and sheltered if even remotely an option

/and if the land-based shelter where I'm tired up is good, I'm gonna be in that
 
powhound
2023-01-16 9:35:09 AM  

Mock26: On the one hand it is sad he died. On the other and there is one less moran in the world.


Not really. I mean, look at you.

:/
 
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