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(CNN)   The names of 81 false electors who tried to usurp the 2020 election without any legal consequence are signed into the Congressional record. Oh Lawd, is that Dana Nessel's music I hear?   (cnn.com) divider line
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snowjack [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-07 9:07:07 PM  
FTFA: "Quite candidly, yes, we are re-opening our investigation because I don't know what the federal government plans to do," she added.

Right? I mean it's good that Jack Smith is on the case now, but it would have been nice if the wheels of justice had turned a little faster, for instance, taking action before the insurrection supporters got re-elected, or before the Sedition Caucus gained control of the damned House.
 
Jake Havechek [TotalFark]
2023-01-07 9:07:45 PM  
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null [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-07 9:22:45 PM  
Pollyannas: LOOK IT IS HAPPENING OKAY?

Eeyores: Oh yeah, the states are doing it because the Feds aren't doing shiat, and this will last until it gets shut down again.
 
Cyclometh [TotalFark]
2023-01-07 10:02:50 PM  
One hopes that the public attention a state prosecution will garner will put additional pressure on the Justice Department to move forward.
 
null [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-07 10:18:38 PM  
Clock is ticking, Garland.
 
BigMax [TotalFark]
2023-01-07 10:36:47 PM  
In football, an effective offensive strategy is flooding the zone - putting multiple eligible receivers in on area to outnumber and overwhelm the defenders.

This is what Trump has done with the federal criminal code. He's committed so many crimes that it is difficult to make prosecutorial decisions, simplify a case or even stop investigating because there is so much evidence.

I think it is good that Dana (my old classmate, WB '87) is considering prosecuting the fake elector scam, as I really believe that DOJ is having trouble filtering the magnitude of Trump's crimes.
 
Somacandra [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-07 11:48:15 PM  

BigMax: I think it is good that Dana (my old classmate, WB '87) is considering prosecuting the fake elector scam, as I really believe that DOJ is having trouble filtering the magnitude of Trump's crimes.


So then its time for Dobbs in AZ and Shapiro in PA and other governors to move their AGs to prosecute those states' slates of fake electors and their public forgeries and conspiracy to commit forgery and defraud the state.
 
mistahtom
2023-01-08 12:33:27 AM  

BigMax: In football, an effective offensive strategy is flooding the zone - putting multiple eligible receivers in on area to outnumber and overwhelm the defenders.

This is what Trump has done with the federal criminal code. He's committed so many crimes that it is difficult to make prosecutorial decisions, simplify a case or even stop investigating because there is so much evidence.

I think it is good that Dana (my old classmate, WB '87) is considering prosecuting the fake elector scam, as I really believe that DOJ is having trouble filtering the magnitude of Trump's crimes.


He's also a media arsonist and plays the media with doublespeak.
 
Emposter [OhFark]
2023-01-08 1:18:13 AM  
Good, I guess.  Not sure why the case was ever closed.  She should have been working on charging them under state law this whole time, but better later than never.
 
leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-08 1:22:18 AM  
Gotta say, the female politicians in Michigan are really setting the pace for everybody else. Gretchen Whitmer, Jocelyn Benson, Mallory McMorrow, and Dana Nessel are hitting home runs every time they come up to the plate. Really hope to see all of them at the federal level soon.
 
Yeast No 7
2023-01-08 1:27:50 AM  
You know what news is, it's when something happens.

Has anything happened yet?
 
Min5trel
2023-01-08 1:33:08 AM  

Emposter: Good, I guess.  Not sure why the case was ever closed.  She should have been working on charging them under state law this whole time, but better later than never.


The case was never opened. It was immediately referred to federal authorities (to at least get direction in the matter). Since this really didn't happen, state charges are being broughten. In January of 2021, prosecuting this would have been difficult on the state level. After the Jan 6 Hearings and evidence dump, it's the federal help that Nessel needed to get the ball rolling. Which is nice.

I DO realize that the false signatories basically outed themselves by attaching their names to scheme, but having the proof of "who did the asking and arm-twisting" to make it happen is a big plus if the 16 morons in MI that signed on to it don't try to make a deal.
 
full8me
2023-01-08 1:39:29 AM  
Dana Nessel is just another Eeyore who doesn't understand how prosecutions of crimes work.
 
kkinnison [OhFark]
2023-01-08 1:42:58 AM  
from what i gather on the tea leaves the DOJ is still fighting for access to Scott Perry's phone (R-PA).  Since he was the key architect . that is the main holdup.  Even the Jan 6th committee dispositions had the Fake elector scheme stuff redacted.

not going to go into a court without all your arsenal.  expect something during the summer of this year.  Guarantee it
 
acereraser
2023-01-08 1:43:17 AM  
This should be done in Wisconsin, as well.  The fake electors met in a secret place, then drove with an armed guard to the capitol, where they were let in to the locked building by U.S. Rep. Scott Fitzgerald, to sign the illegal documents.  Why all the skullduggery if you believed what you were doing was righteous?
 
buravirgil
2023-01-08 1:43:24 AM  
My guess is the Constitutional designation of the VP to preside over strong boxes of state returns has been a joke among bankers since horses and servants and slaves.
 
Derp Du Jour
2023-01-08 1:52:59 AM  
Please please please

These are the types of convictions we need to see and have been crying out for. Squeeze these farkers and pay attention to the squeals.
 
johnphantom
2023-01-08 2:05:59 AM  

Min5trel: I'll bet you a year of Fark that this investigation does not get "shut down"


johnphantom: Ok, you have 2 years for a conviction of someone important.


So do we have a bet?
 
saturn badger [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-08 2:07:45 AM  

acereraser: This should be done in Wisconsin, as well.  The fake electors met in a secret place, then drove with an armed guard to the capitol, where they were let in to the locked building by U.S. Rep. Scott Fitzgerald, to sign the illegal documents.  Why all the skullduggery if you believed what you were doing was righteous?


Righteous doesn't mean right. They believed they were righteous but knew they were not. Bibble out front shoulda told ya that.
 
Min5trel
2023-01-08 2:10:42 AM  

johnphantom: Min5trel: I'll bet you a year of Fark that this investigation does not get "shut down"

johnphantom: Ok, you have 2 years for a conviction of someone important.

So do we have a bet?


You're still changing the rules. Are the 16 false electors important? They are to Michigan. I'll just say "good day" to you, fair Eeyore, and I hope all your dreams don't come true.
 
whatisaidwas [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-08 2:13:28 AM  

saturn badger: acereraser: This should be done in Wisconsin, as well.  The fake electors met in a secret place, then drove with an armed guard to the capitol, where they were let in to the locked building by U.S. Rep. Scott Fitzgerald, to sign the illegal documents.  Why all the skullduggery if you believed what you were doing was righteous?

Righteous doesn't mean right. They believed they were righteous but knew they were not. Bibble out front shoulda told ya that.


How is Bibble formed?
 
mongbiohazard
2023-01-08 2:30:19 AM  

null: Pollyannas: LOOK IT IS HAPPENING OKAY?

Eeyores: Oh yeah, the states are doing it because the Feds aren't doing shiat, and this will last until it gets shut down again.


State charges, not federal. The DOJ can't shut down a state investigation, and a state dropping state indictments. No matter what's brewing at the federal level for folks higher up in the various coup attempts (seemingly so far a wet fart), state charges are both appropriate and good. A future GOP POTUS can pardon federal convictions. Governors typically can pardon state charges, so the more jurisdictions indictments and convictions are spread between the better. Ideally, the folks involved in the 1/6 coup attempts would have both a federal conviction and one in at least one, if not more than one, states. That'll make it harder for the GOP to just hit a big "undo" button.

And I guess Nessel must be an "Eeyore" too, for having the apparently rare power to notice the glaringly obvious.
 
johnphantom
2023-01-08 2:35:03 AM  

Min5trel: johnphantom: Min5trel: I'll bet you a year of Fark that this investigation does not get "shut down"

johnphantom: Ok, you have 2 years for a conviction of someone important.

So do we have a bet?

You're still changing the rules. Are the 16 false electors important? They are to Michigan. I'll just say "good day" to you, fair Eeyore, and I hope all your dreams don't come true.


So you were full of shiat. Typical.
 
Emposter [OhFark]
2023-01-08 2:36:33 AM  

Min5trel: Emposter: Good, I guess.  Not sure why the case was ever closed.  She should have been working on charging them under state law this whole time, but better later than never.

The case was never opened. It was immediately referred to federal authorities (to at least get direction in the matter). Since this really didn't happen, state charges are being broughten. In January of 2021, prosecuting this would have been difficult on the state level. After the Jan 6 Hearings and evidence dump, it's the federal help that Nessel needed to get the ball rolling. Which is nice.

I DO realize that the false signatories basically outed themselves by attaching their names to scheme, but having the proof of "who did the asking and arm-twisting" to make it happen is a big plus if the 16 morons in MI that signed on to it don't try to make a deal.


FTFA: "Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel has re-opened her criminal investigation into fake electors who signed a certificate claiming former President Donald Trump won the state in the 2020 election when he did not, she said on Friday."
 
fredbox [TotalFark]
2023-01-08 2:52:44 AM  
So what happens when (not if) the GQP stops passing legislation to fund government operations? No money for DOJ, courts, FBI?
 
CrazedAndBemused
2023-01-08 3:02:31 AM  
Nobody is coming to save us.  Sporkfoot out front shoulda told ya.
 
HighOnCraic
2023-01-08 3:08:20 AM  

kkinnison: from what i gather on the tea leaves the DOJ is still fighting for access to Scott Perry's phone (R-PA).  Since he was the key architect . that is the main holdup.  Even the Jan 6th committee dispositions had the Fake elector scheme stuff redacted.

not going to go into a court without all your arsenal.  expect something during the summer of this year.  Guarantee it


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HighOnCraic
2023-01-08 3:13:52 AM  
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Night Train to Wakanda
2023-01-08 3:17:25 AM  

snowjack: FTFA: "Quite candidly, yes, we are re-opening our investigation because I don't know what the federal government plans to do," she added.

Right? I mean it's good that Jack Smith is on the case now, but it would have been nice if the wheels of justice had turned a little faster, for instance, taking action before the insurrection supporters got re-elected, or before the Sedition Caucus gained control of the damned House.


Jesus. What's next with you Eeyores? Imagine, thinking arresting somebody of importance would curtail the problem of a criminal conspiracy. These are rich people.
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-01-08 3:20:39 AM  

mongbiohazard: State charges, not federal. The DOJ can't shut down a state investigation, and a state dropping state indictments.


What did the New York DA happen?
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-01-08 3:23:10 AM  

fredbox: So what happens when (not if) the GQP stops passing legislation to fund government operations? No money for DOJ, courts, FBI?


Some brave government investigators are going to have to work for free until the house passes a spending bill, agrees to raise the debt ceiling.
 
SomeAmerican
2023-01-08 4:54:04 AM  
At the State level, the wheels of justice turn slowly.

At the Federal level, the wheels of justice turn counterclockwise.
 
durbnpoisn
2023-01-08 6:11:55 AM  

snowjack: FTFA: "Quite candidly, yes, we are re-opening our investigation because I don't know what the federal government plans to do," she added.

Right? I mean it's good that Jack Smith is on the case now, but it would have been nice if the wheels of justice had turned a little faster, for instance, taking action before the insurrection supporters got re-elected, or before the Sedition Caucus gained control of the damned House.


Yeah.  I said that the other day using slightly different words
 
OldRod [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-08 7:08:18 AM  

Emposter: Good, I guess.  Not sure why the case was ever closed.  She should have been working on charging them under state law this whole time, but better later than never.


To me, it makes more sense to handle this particular case at the state level anyway.  The states are the ones who choose their electors and certify them to Congress. If someone put forward fraudulent electors, isn't that a state crime?  I understand that there are federal-level people involved here, but they can be charged with state crimes too - just look at Georgia
 
WoodyHayes [OhFark]
2023-01-08 7:43:27 AM  
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She is so drunk there that she doesn't even know people dressed her up like a clown while she was passed out.
 
kmgenesis23
2023-01-08 8:09:52 AM  

OldRod: Emposter: Good, I guess.  Not sure why the case was ever closed.  She should have been working on charging them under state law this whole time, but better later than never.

To me, it makes more sense to handle this particular case at the state level anyway.  The states are the ones who choose their electors and certify them to Congress. If someone put forward fraudulent electors, isn't that a state crime?  I understand that there are federal-level people involved here, but they can be charged with state crimes too - just look at Georgia


They submitted the fake electors. It could be criminal in both jurisdictions.
 
kmgenesis23
2023-01-08 8:12:19 AM  

BigMax: In football, an effective offensive strategy is flooding the zone - putting multiple eligible receivers in on area to outnumber and overwhelm the defenders.

This is what Trump has done with the federal criminal code. He's committed so many crimes that it is difficult to make prosecutorial decisions, simplify a case or even stop investigating because there is so much evidence.

I think it is good that Dana (my old classmate, WB '87) is considering prosecuting the fake elector scam, as I really believe that DOJ is having trouble filtering the magnitude of Trump's crimes.


If the feds are having trouble with the magnitude, they can farking break 'em up. How 'bout a prosecution JUST for the classified documents? That's easy. We don't need every crime committed charged on the same indictment, ffs.
 
DannyBrandt [TotalFark]
2023-01-08 8:26:41 AM  

Min5trel: Give Ms. Nessel 2 years to push through an indictment (I could certainly lose if all those concerned citizens make a deal, but there's a couple on the list who are raving loons).


Deal. And I don't even know who "Ms. Nessel" is.
 
Eunice's Social Calendar [TotalFark]
2023-01-08 8:29:03 AM  

BigMax: In football, an effective offensive strategy is flooding the zone - putting multiple eligible receivers in on area to outnumber and overwhelm the defenders.

This is what Trump has done with the federal criminal code. He's committed so many crimes that it is difficult to make prosecutorial decisions, simplify a case or even stop investigating because there is so much evidence.

I think it is good that Dana (my old classmate, WB '87) is considering prosecuting the fake elector scam, as I really believe that DOJ is having trouble filtering the magnitude of Trump's crimes.


In anything, when the other team sucks real bad the debate USUALLY is do we run up the score or not...it's NEVER let them win just because...that's only when you play your kid...and that's only if you like your kid.
 
Min5trel
2023-01-08 8:34:45 AM  

Emposter: Min5trel: Emposter: Good, I guess.  Not sure why the case was ever closed.  She should have been working on charging them under state law this whole time, but better later than never.

The case was never opened. It was immediately referred to federal authorities (to at least get direction in the matter). Since this really didn't happen, state charges are being broughten. In January of 2021, prosecuting this would have been difficult on the state level. After the Jan 6 Hearings and evidence dump, it's the federal help that Nessel needed to get the ball rolling. Which is nice.

I DO realize that the false signatories basically outed themselves by attaching their names to scheme, but having the proof of "who did the asking and arm-twisting" to make it happen is a big plus if the 16 morons in MI that signed on to it don't try to make a deal.

FTFA: "Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel has re-opened her criminal investigation into fake electors who signed a certificate claiming former President Donald Trump won the state in the 2020 election when he did not, she said on Friday."


I suppose I should say, there were no concrete investigations (no subpoenas issued or punitive measures sought). All the state's materials went to the feds, who continued to screw the pooch and ignore the issue. Well... we'll see if this gets any headway. Last year's "investigation".
 
WilderKWight
2023-01-08 9:10:46 AM  
Why "Eeyores"? Why not "Debbie Downers"?

Either way, it's not either to want your government to f#cking DO something about the criminals who are destroying our nation and endangering us all, and lamenting the fact that they've had literally years to do something and so far, have done next-to-nothing.

Trump not being in prison by now is a f#cking travesty of justice. The only reason he and most of his sycophantic toadies aren't rotting in federal prison by now is because the system is broken. People are in key positions to throw a monkey wrench into the gears and stop the wheels of justice from ever turning when people like Trump are involved.

If that isn't abundantly clear by now, then I don't know... You have more hope and faerie dust and unicorn farts in your heart and mind than I can even fathom. Unless Trump ends up in prison within the next few months, there's no effort to do anything to him, or Boebert, or MTG, or Gaetz, or anyone else with a federal job or millions of dollars who participated in various criminal schemes, attempted coups, and acts of treason and terrorism. The only people going down for it are the rube-grunts who listened and obeyed.
 
johnphantom
2023-01-08 9:25:21 AM  

WilderKWight: Why "Eeyores"? Why not "Debbie Downers"?

...

If that isn't abundantly clear by now, then I don't know... You have more hope and faerie dust and unicorn farts in your heart and mind than I can even fathom. Unless Trump ends up in prison within the next few months, there's no effort to do anything to him, or Boebert, or MTG, or Gaetz, or anyone else with a federal job or millions of dollars who participated in various criminal schemes, attempted coups, and acts of treason and terrorism. The only people going down for it are the rube-grunts who listened and obeyed.


They trespassed as far as the authorities are concerned. We still have no idea who planted the pipe bombs around the capitol.
 
GoldSpider
2023-01-08 9:49:46 AM  

null: Clock is ticking, Garland.


Stuff like this does raise very valid questions.  I hope Biden can read the room and consider a course correction for his next term.
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-01-08 10:08:25 AM  
Felony
Election
Tampering
 
null [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-08 10:39:07 AM  

GoldSpider: null: Clock is ticking, Garland.

Stuff like this does raise very valid questions.  I hope Biden can read the room and consider a course correction for his next term.


Bold to assume he wants or is gonna get a second term.  A lot of talk in right wing circles about he steps down and Harris runs.
 
null [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-08 10:47:40 AM  

kmgenesis23: BigMax: In football, an effective offensive strategy is flooding the zone - putting multiple eligible receivers in on area to outnumber and overwhelm the defenders.

This is what Trump has done with the federal criminal code. He's committed so many crimes that it is difficult to make prosecutorial decisions, simplify a case or even stop investigating because there is so much evidence.

I think it is good that Dana (my old classmate, WB '87) is considering prosecuting the fake elector scam, as I really believe that DOJ is having trouble filtering the magnitude of Trump's crimes.

If the feds are having trouble with the magnitude, they can farking break 'em up. How 'bout a prosecution JUST for the classified documents? That's easy. We don't need every crime committed charged on the same indictment, ffs.


You only get one shot at the king etcetera also multiple prosecutions equals persecution etcetera.
 
mongbiohazard
2023-01-08 11:02:17 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: mongbiohazard: State charges, not federal. The DOJ can't shut down a state investigation, and a state dropping state indictments.

What did the New York DA happen?


That was the new guy's own decision, within his own state. The feds can't shut down a state investigation.
 
johnphantom
2023-01-08 11:06:22 AM  

mongbiohazard: Night Train to Wakanda: mongbiohazard: State charges, not federal. The DOJ can't shut down a state investigation, and a state dropping state indictments.

What did the New York DA happen?

That was the new guy's own decision, within his own state. The feds can't shut down a state investigation.


What made him make that decision?
 
mongbiohazard
2023-01-08 11:38:43 AM  

johnphantom: mongbiohazard: Night Train to Wakanda: mongbiohazard: State charges, not federal. The DOJ can't shut down a state investigation, and a state dropping state indictments.

What did the New York DA happen?

That was the new guy's own decision, within his own state. The feds can't shut down a state investigation.

What made him make that decision?


Ask him.
 
johnphantom
2023-01-08 11:47:52 AM  

mongbiohazard: johnphantom: mongbiohazard: Night Train to Wakanda: mongbiohazard: State charges, not federal. The DOJ can't shut down a state investigation, and a state dropping state indictments.

What did the New York DA happen?

That was the new guy's own decision, within his own state. The feds can't shut down a state investigation.

What made him make that decision?

Ask him.


I'm sure he was pressured. This is obviously obstruction of justice.
 
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