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(Deadline)   Remember when they said there was no way 'Avatar: The Way of Water' would hit the 2 billion dollar 'break even' point?   (deadline.com) divider line
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aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 1:09:14 PM  
No not really.
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 1:23:55 PM  
No.
And when did CGI become so spendy?
It's a high res cartoon with voice actors
 
Pocket Ninja [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-05 1:43:15 PM  
I think some people were saying this, yes. But people say dumb things all the time. You know, stuff like "vaccines cause autism," or "New York style pizza is better than Chicago pizza," or "Firefly was a good show that shouldn't have been canceled," or "beets should be considered food." You just gotta learn to dismiss the noise.
 
GardenWeasel [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 1:55:26 PM  
Fark's resident haters of blue people didn't think it would even top 1 billion.
 
Glorious Golden Ass [OhFark]
2023-01-05 2:54:23 PM  
How much is that in one-off plot devices?
 
PvtStash
2023-01-05 2:54:48 PM  
i for one had no doubt that empty headed drivel would make a chit ton of money and continue to ensure no one really tries any harder than visual spectacle.
 
NuclearPenguins [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 2:56:58 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I think some people were saying this, yes. But people say dumb things all the time. You know, stuff like "vaccines cause autism," or "New York style pizza is better than Chicago pizza," or "Firefly was a good show that shouldn't have been canceled," or "beets should be considered food." You just gotta learn to dismiss the noise.


Slow your roll there. Beets are a perfectly cromulent food. Especially pickled.
 
jonas opines
2023-01-05 2:59:49 PM  
iS iT aDjUsTEd fOR iNLatIoN?

Haven't seen it, probably won't, but don't understand how completely invested in its failure so many seem to be.
 
skyotter
2023-01-05 3:03:42 PM  
I remember when Cameron joked about it, yes.

Wait ... did subby take that seriously?
 
Subtonic
2023-01-05 3:04:22 PM  
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zbtop
2023-01-05 3:05:11 PM  

vudukungfu: No.
And when did CGI become so spendy?
It's a high res cartoon with voice actors


The CGI is the expensive part in films that intentionally set out to reach new standards of visual effects.

Cameron is a dogshiat writer and Avatar's story is hamfisted garbage, but boy are they gorgeous flicks to look at.
 
bluenovaman [OhFark]
2023-01-05 3:08:08 PM  

GardenWeasel: Fark's resident haters of blue people didn't think it would even top 1 billion.


That's still not a good reason to hate the Fugate family.

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Coredatum
2023-01-05 3:13:11 PM  

zbtop: vudukungfu: No.
And when did CGI become so spendy?
It's a high res cartoon with voice actors

The CGI is the expensive part in films that intentionally set out to reach new standards of visual effects.

Cameron is a dogshiat writer and Avatar's story is hamfisted garbage, but boy are they gorgeous flicks to look at.


This is the whole reason I don't think I can become interested in this franchise.

It reminds me of Image Comics from the early 90's where you had visually striking art, but little or nothing in the way of substance and storytelling.  Impressive visuals aren't enough if this story is thin, and I think that's what is happening with this franchise.

That said, it shouldn't be surprising that it would make a lot of money once the film was released internationally.

I feel like Cameron is more interested in the tools of storytelling than the craft itself, sort of like a musician who's more interested in collecting gear than actually making music.
 
Catsaregreen
2023-01-05 3:18:58 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Pocket Ninja: I think some people were saying this, yes. But people say dumb things all the time. You know, stuff like "vaccines cause autism," or "New York style pizza is better than Chicago pizza," or "Firefly was a good show that shouldn't have been canceled," or "beets should be considered food." You just gotta learn to dismiss the noise.

Slow your roll there. Beets are a perfectly cromulent food. Especially pickled.


Chicago Pizza is pure crap. Just like their hot dogs, sports teams and "superstations."
 
NuclearPenguins [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 3:20:24 PM  

Catsaregreen: NuclearPenguins: Pocket Ninja: I think some people were saying this, yes. But people say dumb things all the time. You know, stuff like "vaccines cause autism," or "New York style pizza is better than Chicago pizza," or "Firefly was a good show that shouldn't have been canceled," or "beets should be considered food." You just gotta learn to dismiss the noise.

Slow your roll there. Beets are a perfectly cromulent food. Especially pickled.

Chicago Pizza is pure crap. Just like their hot dogs, sports teams and "superstations."


I know nothing about the Second City, really. I will have words with anyone who badmouths beets, however.
 
Glorious Golden Ass [OhFark]
2023-01-05 3:24:23 PM  

Coredatum: zbtop: vudukungfu: No.
And when did CGI become so spendy?
It's a high res cartoon with voice actors

The CGI is the expensive part in films that intentionally set out to reach new standards of visual effects.

Cameron is a dogshiat writer and Avatar's story is hamfisted garbage, but boy are they gorgeous flicks to look at.

This is the whole reason I don't think I can become interested in this franchise.

It reminds me of Image Comics from the early 90's where you had visually striking art, but little or nothing in the way of substance and storytelling.  Impressive visuals aren't enough if this story is thin, and I think that's what is happening with this franchise.

That said, it shouldn't be surprising that it would make a lot of money once the film was released internationally.

I feel like Cameron is more interested in the tools of storytelling than the craft itself, sort of like a musician who's more interested in collecting gear than actually making music.


That is it exactly.

Happily saw it with my daughter and watched as the movie presented topics that would have been interesting to explore in a universe where you could essentially live forever, or fork into different versions of yourself, or change yourself in order to adapt to a new environment; and pissed away every one of them in order to make an action-packed, revenge plot against one guy and his family.  Despite the pretty visuals, I was bored.
 
Wendigogo [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 3:34:23 PM  
Is this going to change my mind and go see it? No.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-05 4:35:03 PM  

jonas opines: iS iT aDjUsTEd fOR iNLatIoN?

Haven't seen it, probably won't, but don't understand how completely invested in its failure so many seem to be.


I'm just as bemused by the people who are emotionally invested in its success. Where were all these rabid fans and haters during the inbetween decade when hardly anyone talked about Avatar at all?
 
Bslim
2023-01-05 4:51:01 PM  
*shrugs*
Enjoy your garbage, Cameron will now spend the rest of the decade shiatting down your gullets and you'll eagerly beg for more.
You people make want to puke.
 
mjbok
2023-01-05 5:09:56 PM  
I think my favorite posts were the ones saying it was playing to empty theaters and Disney was buying tickets to inflate the box office.

Bslim: *shrugs*
Enjoy your garbage, Cameron will now spend the rest of the decade shiatting down your gullets and you'll eagerly beg for more.
You people make want to puke.


Gonna take back your "see I told you it would bomb and it is" from release week yet?

//Or the mountain of posts foretelling its failure in the months before release?
 
jonas opines
2023-01-05 5:34:33 PM  

EdgeRunner: jonas opines: iS iT aDjUsTEd fOR iNLatIoN?

Haven't seen it, probably won't, but don't understand how completely invested in its failure so many seem to be.

I'm just as bemused by the people who are emotionally invested in its success. Where were all these rabid fans and haters during the inbetween decade when hardly anyone talked about Avatar at all?


So . . . you're saying that both sides are bad?

Who are they, though?  I've barely seen anyone.  At the most, I've seen people respond to the irrational haters with 'it's not bad' or 'I enjoyed it'.  Or, ya'know laughing at how all the doom prognostication didn't pan out, and that I can understand a bit, because it's fun to nettle people that invested.
 
born_yesterday [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 5:35:15 PM  
I can't wait until this abysmal failure ends Cameron's reign of terror once and for all.
 
born_yesterday [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 5:36:43 PM  

EdgeRunner: jonas opines: iS iT aDjUsTEd fOR iNLatIoN?

Haven't seen it, probably won't, but don't understand how completely invested in its failure so many seem to be.

I'm just as bemused by the people who are emotionally invested in its success. Where were all these rabid fans and haters during the inbetween decade when hardly anyone talked about Avatar at all?


Taking colloidal silver at conventions and banging each other?
 
baron von doodle [OhFark]
2023-01-05 6:15:13 PM  

EdgeRunner: jonas opines: iS iT aDjUsTEd fOR iNLatIoN?

Haven't seen it, probably won't, but don't understand how completely invested in its failure so many seem to be.

I'm just as bemused by the people who are emotionally invested in its success. Where were all these rabid fans and haters during the inbetween decade when hardly anyone talked about Avatar at all?


Having sex in miniature pools full of blue Kool-aid.
 
NKURyan
2023-01-05 6:39:28 PM  

Bslim: *shrugs*
Enjoy your garbage, Cameron will now spend the rest of the decade shiatting down your gullets and you'll eagerly beg for more.
You people make want to puke.


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Magnus Eisengrim
2023-01-05 7:06:46 PM  

Bslim: *shrugs*
Enjoy your garbage, Cameron will now spend the rest of the decade shiatting down your gullets and you'll eagerly beg for more.
You people make want to puke.


Show us on the doll where James Cameron touched you.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-05 7:47:35 PM  

born_yesterday: EdgeRunner:
Where were all these rabid fans and haters during the inbetween decade when hardly anyone talked about Avatar at all?

Taking colloidal silver at conventions and banging each other?


baron von doodle
Having sex in miniature pools full of blue Kool-aid.

I think it's adorable that you both think they were having sex.
 
Birnone
2023-01-05 8:29:33 PM  
The Avatar movies need to be seen in a theater, in 3d. That's why they'll always make money. If you've only seen an Avatar movie at home, you haven't really seen an Avatar movie. The plot, acting, and general quality have nothing to do with it.
 
lilplatinum
2023-01-05 8:50:46 PM  

Coredatum: Impressive visuals aren't enough if this story is thin, and I think that's what is happening with this franchise.


2 billion dollars disagree.
 
lilplatinum
2023-01-05 8:52:39 PM  

EdgeRunner: I'm just as bemused by the people who are emotionally invested in its success.


Mostly because you constructed them in your minds.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-05 9:20:49 PM  

lilplatinum: EdgeRunner: I'm just as bemused by the people who are emotionally invested in its success.

Mostly because you constructed them in your minds.


Wait awhile and the usual suspects might appear in this thread, as they typically do. They're definitely no creation of mine. I'd change up their dialogue and occasionally raise other topics besides just gushing about the box office.

Frankly, the only thing weirder than Fark's Avatar defenders are the ones like yourself who want to defend the defenders. Where's the attraction? They haven't made a dime in ticket sales.
 
NKURyan
2023-01-05 9:27:49 PM  

EdgeRunner: lilplatinum: EdgeRunner: I'm just as bemused by the people who are emotionally invested in its success.

Mostly because you constructed them in your minds.

Wait awhile and the usual suspects might appear in this thread, as they typically do. They're definitely no creation of mine. I'd change up their dialogue and occasionally raise other topics besides just gushing about the box office.

Frankly, the only thing weirder than Fark's Avatar defenders are the ones like yourself who want to defend the defenders. Where's the attraction? They haven't made a dime in ticket sales.


Pretty sure you've fought this fight in all 43,672 Avatar threads we've had so far, aren't you tired yet?
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-05 9:39:52 PM  

NKURyan: Pretty sure you've fought this fight in all 43,672 Avatar threads we've had so far, aren't you tired yet?


Yeah, tapping little keys is so exhausting. Cabana boy! Fetch my fingers a soothing hot towel and a drink!

I'm not having a fight. I'm being amused by the fighters. You're mistaking this:
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...for this:
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I personally kinda doubt any Farker has that much energy.

/but at least 50% of them are wearing those outfits.
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 10:26:06 PM  
Of it cost so much how come the prehensile tail is so GODDAMNED far from the anus?

Any of these sketch freaks study mammalian anatomy?
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-05 10:29:29 PM  

vudukungfu: Of it cost so much how come the prehensile tail is so GODDAMNED far from the anus?

Any of these sketch freaks study mammalian anatomy?


Finally, some serious discussion of these movies!

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leeksfromchichis [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 10:43:45 PM  

vudukungfu: No.
And when did CGI become so spendy?
It's a high res cartoon with voice actors


High res cartoons have ALWAYS been spendy.
 
leeksfromchichis [TotalFark]
2023-01-05 10:45:05 PM  

vudukungfu: Of it cost so much how come the prehensile tail is so GODDAMNED far from the anus?

Any of these sketch freaks study mammalian anatomy?


It's an alien planet. They're not mammals even if they evolved blue cat boobies.
 
lilplatinum
2023-01-06 3:47:10 AM  

EdgeRunner: lilplatinum: EdgeRunner: I'm just as bemused by the people who are emotionally invested in its success.

Mostly because you constructed them in your minds.

Wait awhile and the usual suspects might appear in this thread, as they typically do. They're definitely no creation of mine. I'd change up their dialogue and occasionally raise other topics besides just gushing about the box office.

Frankly, the only thing weirder than Fark's Avatar defenders are the ones like yourself who want to defend the defenders. Where's the attraction? They haven't made a dime in ticket sales.


I'm not defending anyone, I'm just bemused by the comic book guy crowd who has an unhealthy obsession with a mediocre popcorn flick
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-06 7:41:49 AM  

lilplatinum: EdgeRunner: lilplatinum: EdgeRunner: I'm just as bemused by the people who are emotionally invested in its success.

Mostly because you constructed them in your minds.

Wait awhile and the usual suspects might appear in this thread, as they typically do. They're definitely no creation of mine. I'd change up their dialogue and occasionally raise other topics besides just gushing about the box office.

Frankly, the only thing weirder than Fark's Avatar defenders are the ones like yourself who want to defend the defenders. Where's the attraction? They haven't made a dime in ticket sales.

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just bemused by the comic book guy crowd who has an unhealthy obsession with a mediocre popcorn flick


Dude, pretending our resident defenders don't exist is defending them. Bslim is evenly balanced out by He Who Must Not Be Named (because Fark rules frown on calling out someone who, surprisingly, isn't in this thread despite rushing to be in all the others), and it's silly to try convincing anyone otherwise.

As for the comic nerds, do you find it just as baffling that they like Marvel movies but have found most of the DC ones less than great? This might blow your mind, but liking a category of movie doesn't mean you're required to like every single film that falls into that genre.
 
Coredatum
2023-01-06 9:34:40 AM  

lilplatinum: Coredatum


Again, not saying it wouldn't make money, just saying that most of the focus is on visually striking imagery, and there's far less emphasis on telling an interesting story.  In that sense, I find it to be like a lot of video games.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-06 10:25:02 AM  

Coredatum: lilplatinum: Coredatum

Again, not saying it wouldn't make money, just saying that most of the focus is on visually striking imagery, and there's far less emphasis on telling an interesting story.  In that sense, I find it to be like a lot of video games.


The real question of Avatar 2 is the same as the one raised by the first Avatar. Do you really need memorable characters or stories if your visuals are impressive enough to wow audiences on their own? And the answer seems to be a strong "No". The Transformers franchise showed that the visuals don't even have to be that good so long as the concept of the visuals is an attention grabber. Same lesson learned from all those live-action remakes of old Disney cartoons. (But you have to choose the right concept. Seeing Aladdin's flying carpet ride in live action intrigued a lot of people. Seeing Dumbo fly was far less exciting.)

And the international market works better with simple stories and whiz bang effects, because that means something that's easy to translate, and also offers spectacle that few overseas film studios can afford to provide. But the expense and time required to make something like an Avatar means that few studios will try to directly imitate it. It's the kind of thing that really has to be a personal project, because despite how well Avatar 2 is doing right now, it really wasn't a guaranteed hit. Cameron had his doubts how it might do, and it's not like other visually luscious movies like Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets hadn't been massive flops, even though they also had meticulously created alien worlds done by the same effects house of Weta Digital.
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Had it stayed with the suspiciously Navi-like bald aliens in their waterworld paradise, and not tried to sell its intensely bland human actors as action heroes, perhaps Valerian might have had a very different performance at the box office. It's hard to say. But it's an easy bet that the studios are closely studying exactly what people are enjoying about Avatar 2, and will try to incorporate some of its gimmicks without having to invest so much into making them.
 
Spartapuss
2023-01-06 10:40:21 AM  

EdgeRunner: Seeing Aladdin's flying carpet ride in live action intrigued a lot of people. Seeing Dumbo fly was far less exciting.)


They'd done 'bout seen everything when they'd seen an elephant fly.
 
lilplatinum
2023-01-06 1:46:06 PM  

EdgeRunner: lilplatinum: EdgeRunner: lilplatinum: EdgeRunner: I'm just as bemused by the people who are emotionally invested in its success.

Mostly because you constructed them in your minds.

Wait awhile and the usual suspects might appear in this thread, as they typically do. They're definitely no creation of mine. I'd change up their dialogue and occasionally raise other topics besides just gushing about the box office.

Frankly, the only thing weirder than Fark's Avatar defenders are the ones like yourself who want to defend the defenders. Where's the attraction? They haven't made a dime in ticket sales.

I'm not defending anyone, I'm just bemused by the comic book guy crowd who has an unhealthy obsession with a mediocre popcorn flick

Dude, pretending our resident defenders don't exist is defending them. Bslim is evenly balanced out by He Who Must Not Be Named (because Fark rules frown on calling out someone who, surprisingly, isn't in this thread despite rushing to be in all the others), and it's silly to try convincing anyone otherwise.

As for the comic nerds, do you find it just as baffling that they like Marvel movies but have found most of the DC ones less than great? This might blow your mind, but liking a category of movie doesn't mean you're required to like every single film that falls into that genre.


I find it baffling that anyone likes any DC character, comic or film other than Batman.  The justice league is terrible and superman is one of the worst characters ever except when he had an alt version that was raised by the soviets.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-06 2:24:23 PM  

lilplatinum: I find it baffling that anyone likes any DC character, comic or film other than Batman. The justice league is terrible and superman is one of the worst characters ever except when he had an alt version that was raised by the soviets.


"Area man confused by people whose entertainment tastes don't mirror his own."

Ooh! Ooh! Now tell us about how the Beatles totally sucked and everyone who thinks they were influential is wrong!
 
lilplatinum
2023-01-06 3:26:22 PM  

EdgeRunner: lilplatinum: I find it baffling that anyone likes any DC character, comic or film other than Batman. The justice league is terrible and superman is one of the worst characters ever except when he had an alt version that was raised by the soviets.

"Area man confused by people whose entertainment tastes don't mirror his own."


Youre the one bemused that people might like the highest grossing movies of all time, not I.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-06 3:34:49 PM  

lilplatinum: EdgeRunner: lilplatinum: I find it baffling that anyone likes any DC character, comic or film other than Batman. The justice league is terrible and superman is one of the worst characters ever except when he had an alt version that was raised by the soviets.

"Area man confused by people whose entertainment tastes don't mirror his own."

Youre the one bemused that people might like the highest grossing movies of all time, not I.


No, I'm bemused that they're so angry that others don't like it as much as they do. More area men, I'm guessing.
 
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