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(People Magazine)   NFL decides the Bills-Bengals game will not be resumed this week, relieving players and fans, and upsetting bookies   (people.com) divider line
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chucknasty [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-04 8:37:55 AM  
they should have decided it with rock, scissors, paper and loser forfeits.
it is kind of unfair to have teams that played fewer games and go by winning percent. if I played one game and won I am the best team in the league.

/Head of Slacker Management
 
Doc Daneeka
2023-01-04 8:47:55 AM  

chucknasty: they should have decided it with rock, scissors, paper and loser forfeits.
it is kind of unfair to have teams that played fewer games and go by winning percent. if I played one game and won I am the best team in the league.


If they cancel this game or declare it a tie (which seems likely at this point), we could have a situation where Buffalo and KC both finish with only 3 losses, Buffalo holds the head-to-head tiebreaker because they beat KC in October, but KC gets the #1 seed and the bye because they played an extra game.  And that could have a big impact on playoff outcomes, given that for the past two years, Buffalo's postseason has ended in close games at Arrowhead, and I'm sure they'd rather not have to play there again in the playoffs.

That said, all of that is of course FAR less important than the health and well-being of Hamlin.  That is everyone's top concern right now, as it should be, and none of the players or coaches are thinking about playoff seeding right now.

Eventually though, the logistics of this are going to have to be figured out by the league, and unfortunately, I don't this there is going to be any kind of solution that will be fair to all involved.
 
Earthen [BareFark]
2023-01-04 8:55:41 AM  
If they're not playing today they never will.  So they'll have to figure out how to handle the competition fallout.  Simply having the Bills and Bengals play only 16 games in the 17 game season seems the most honest way of handling it, and seed accordingly.  Yes, there is fallout that affects other teams... but even giving a tie would do that as well.

I know everyone is worried about Hamlin... who wouldn't be... but playing more football or playing any less of it won't make him any better or worse.  Life continues, and its out of the NFL's hands now whether he recovers.  So, while the night of and maybe even yesterday might have been too soon to talk about this, today I think its time to restart normalcy and figure stuff like this out.
 
Clash City Farker
2023-01-04 8:58:59 AM  
They should implement sudden death rules. Each team had a chance to score Monday night. If it had been an overtime period, the winner would be clear. Record it Bengals 7, Bills 3. Done.
 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-04 9:03:52 AM  
Bookies just voided all the bets.
 
EasilyDistracted [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-01-04 9:09:21 AM  
They'll see how week 18 plays out.  If KC and the Bengals lose and the Bills win, then there would be no point in playing the game as the outcome of that game wouldn't affect the seeding.  Otherwise, they'll have to play the game if they want to have honest final standings.
 
Stud Gerbil
2023-01-04 9:09:31 AM  

Clash City Farker: They should implement sudden death rules.


They tried that already.

Anyway, from a playoff seeding standpoint, this hurts the Bengals more.
 
Dafatone [TotalFark]
2023-01-04 9:13:14 AM  
They're not going to finish the game. They're not gonna shove two playoff teams into an extra game in the middle of a week, especially now that they aren't doing it this week.

"Hey playoff teams, play three games in about nine days because there's a chance one of you could get a bye."

Nah.
 
snowshovel
2023-01-04 9:21:34 AM  
Which sucks, because if I won my parley based on the results of this game, I could afford my insulin.
 
NKURyan
2023-01-04 9:22:20 AM  

Dafatone: They're not going to finish the game. They're not gonna shove two playoff teams into an extra game in the middle of a week, especially now that they aren't doing it this week.

"Hey playoff teams, play three games in about nine days because there's a chance one of you could get a bye."

Nah.


Exactly. You don't screw over two of your best teams after they went through a traumatic event.

Calling it a tie impacts four teams - the Bengals and Bills (obviously), the Chiefs (who directly benefit), and the Ravens (who take one for the team here but put themselves in that situation).

Yeah, the Bills *could* have been the one seed if they won out, but they were already losing on MNF and about to give up another score. You don't make the decision based on "coulds".

Meanwhile the Bengals team that could've claimed the 2 seed Monday night with the win probably would have to go to Buffalo in the second round of the playoffs, but whatever, as a Bengals fan I'd live with it.
 
themunsterfullback
2023-01-04 9:38:35 AM  
Probably upsets fantasy commissioners more than bookies as they actually have to put a judgemental hat on specific to their leagues and buddies. Anything only related to that game can just be voided I would think.
 
SuperChuck
2023-01-04 9:40:29 AM  

Clash City Farker: They should implement sudden death rules. Each team had a chance to score Monday night. If it had been an overtime period, the winner would be clear. Record it Bengals 7, Bills 3. Done.


Dude, phrasing
 
SUMMERSN0WS
2023-01-04 9:52:58 AM  

NKURyan: Dafatone:

Yeah, the Bills *could* have been the one seed if they won out, but they were already losing on MNF and about to give up another score. You don't make the decision based on "coulds".


For a while now the Bills have started out weak then come back to win. The game against the Bears is an example.

Giving the W to the Bengals because they were ahead isn't in the spirit of the game. The two-minute warnings and halftime are meant to give teams a chance to correct. The Bills went for a field goal because they didn't know the game would end in six minutes.

/Director of Silly Walks
 
Plastic Diver Guy
2023-01-04 9:54:43 AM  
If the NFL decides this game must be played, it's likely they'll push playoffs back a week to give appropriate rest between games and only have one week between the championship games & the Superb Owl. If the game isn't needed to decide standings, they won't play it. Be interesting to see what comes up.
 
Doc Daneeka
2023-01-04 9:56:14 AM  

NKURyan: about to give up another score.


Perhaps.  That's an assumption.

NKURyan: You don't make the decision based on "coulds".


Exactly.  With this in mind, re-evaluate the first statement.  The Bengals COULD have scored on that drive.  They COULD have gone on to win that game.  But the Bills COULD also have have easily overcome that 4 pt deficit with more than 3 quarters yet to play.  The Bills have had multiple big comebacks this season, they have been an excellent road team, and they were going to receive the 2nd half kickoff.  There's no way to know what would have happened, so we should not make any assumptions about what was going to happen on that drive, let alone the game.

As I said, there is no good solution here.  This situation negatively impacts both the Bills and the Bengals through no fault of either team, and benefits the Chiefs.

If there is karma, then the Chiefs would lose to the Raiders next week.  That would still give the Bills a chance to take the #1 seed if they win, and the Bengals still a chance at the #2 seed if the Bills lose*.

*I believe that if the Bills lose in Week 18 and the Bengals win, leaving both teams at 12-4, then the Bengals would hold the tiebreaker.  If my math is correct, in this scenario, the head-to-head wouldn't have happened, the Conference records would be equal (8-3), and so would the record against common opponents (also 8-3), so it would go to Strength-of-Victory, where the Bengals currently have an edge.
 
Clash City Farker
2023-01-04 10:02:16 AM  

Plastic Diver Guy: If the NFL decides

they can make a lot of money, this game must be played, it's likely they'll push playoffs back a week to give appropriate rest between games and only have one week between the championship games & the Superb Owl. If the game isn't needed to decide standings, they won't play it. Be interesting to see what comes up.

FTFY

/only behind four proxies
 
Ken VeryBigLiar
2023-01-04 10:10:43 AM  
I can see this coming from Josh Allen:
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Jumpthruhoops
2023-01-04 10:15:51 AM  

themunsterfullback: Probably upsets fantasy commissioners more than bookies as they actually have to put a judgemental hat on specific to their leagues and buddies. Anything only related to that game can just be voided I would think.


Fantasy commissioners could just guilt their winner into giving any winnings to Hamlin's charity.

CSB: I needed 10 points total from Burrow, Bass, two DLs and Hamlin to win the championship and $400. My commish decided to not extend the season, so the other guy gets the money. We are all pressuring him into giving it to the charity.
 
tommyl66
2023-01-04 10:23:06 AM  
I'm sure there is a beautiful solution out there to this scheduling dilemma, and I am really looking forward to the NFL putting zero effort into finding it and instead hamfisting in an imbalanced mess of a solution that is obviously focused solely on appeasing the TV networks and advertisers that leads to angry message board posts about this season needing an asterisk for decades to come.
 
SVC_conservative [TotalFark]
2023-01-04 10:35:12 AM  
In addition to taking a tie, honestly just do a freaking coin toss- yeah it sucks but it's worse to pack so many games into the end of the season. This aint COVID related, this is something different, and if we cannot be adaptable than the league deserves to suffer.

Also, fark all the pissed off gamblers. This is why it's a gamble, no guaranteed money ever.
 
Doc Daneeka
2023-01-04 10:44:29 AM  

SVC_conservative: honestly just do a freaking coin toss


I'm arriving to the conclusion that this would be the fairest and best solution.

It's stupid and overly complicated to try to reschedule the game at this point.  But cancelling the game entirely, or declaring it a tie, would hurt both the Bills and the Bengals in terms of playoff seeding, and that doesn't seem fair.

If the game had been held, one of those teams would have won, and both had a good shot at it.  Just have a coin toss to decide it, and hand that extra W to the winner.  It's a fair way to decide it.
 
EvilToni [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-04 10:50:14 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: themunsterfullback: Probably upsets fantasy commissioners more than bookies as they actually have to put a judgemental hat on specific to their leagues and buddies. Anything only related to that game can just be voided I would think.

Fantasy commissioners could just guilt their winner into giving any winnings to Hamlin's charity.

CSB: I needed 10 points total from Burrow, Bass, two DLs and Hamlin to win the championship and $400. My commish decided to not extend the season, so the other guy gets the money. We are all pressuring him into giving it to the charity.


Yall suck for that.

If he won the money, he should get to do with it as he chooses.

/Show bobs and vagana
 
Spectrum
2023-01-04 11:10:34 AM  

Doc Daneeka: SVC_conservative: honestly just do a freaking coin toss

I'm arriving to the conclusion that this would be the fairest and best solution.

It's stupid and overly complicated to try to reschedule the game at this point.  But cancelling the game entirely, or declaring it a tie, would hurt both the Bills and the Bengals in terms of playoff seeding, and that doesn't seem fair.

If the game had been held, one of those teams would have won, and both had a good shot at it.  Just have a coin toss to decide it, and hand that extra W to the winner.  It's a fair way to decide it.


I've been saying that Burrow and Allen should play a game of Madden to decide this game. I would totally watch that.
 
Peach_Fuz
2023-01-04 11:16:12 AM  
Solution: Fly the kicker, longsnapper, and punter from each team to a neutral site. The kickers take turns starting at the 5 yard line attempting field goals. If they both succeed then they move back 5 yards until someone misses. If they end up tied then the punters do the same but with drop kicks. Still tied? Then the longsnappers have a 100yd race.
 
Peach_Fuz
2023-01-04 11:20:55 AM  
Realistic Solution:
Week 18 played as normal
NFC wild card + missing game
NFC divisional + AFC wild card
NFC bye + AFC divisional
NFC championship + AFC championship
Pro Bowl + Super Bowl
 
buckeyebrain
2023-01-04 11:53:03 AM  

Peach_Fuz: Solution: Fly the kicker, longsnapper, and punter from each team to a neutral site. The kickers take turns starting at the 5 yard line attempting field goals. If they both succeed then they move back 5 yards until someone misses. If they end up tied then the punters do the same but with drop kicks. Still tied? Then the longsnappers have a 100yd race.


Found Gary Bettman's alt.
 
Dr Jack Badofsky
2023-01-04 11:55:56 AM  

Doc Daneeka: chucknasty: they should have decided it with rock, scissors, paper and loser forfeits.
it is kind of unfair to have teams that played fewer games and go by winning percent. if I played one game and won I am the best team in the league.

If they cancel this game or declare it a tie (which seems likely at this point), we could have a situation where Buffalo and KC both finish with only 3 losses, Buffalo holds the head-to-head tiebreaker because they beat KC in October, but KC gets the #1 seed and the bye because they played an extra game.  And that could have a big impact on playoff outcomes, given that for the past two years, Buffalo's postseason has ended in close games at Arrowhead, and I'm sure they'd rather not have to play there again in the playoffs.

That said, all of that is of course FAR less important than the health and well-being of Hamlin.  That is everyone's top concern right now, as it should be, and none of the players or coaches are thinking about playoff seeding right now.

Eventually though, the logistics of this are going to have to be figured out by the league, and unfortunately, I don't this there is going to be any kind of solution that will be fair to all involved.


Why even call it a tie?  The Bengals were up 7 to 3.  Should be their win.
 
themunsterfullback
2023-01-04 12:08:28 PM  

EvilToni: Jumpthruhoops: themunsterfullback: Probably upsets fantasy commissioners more than bookies as they actually have to put a judgemental hat on specific to their leagues and buddies. Anything only related to that game can just be voided I would think.

Fantasy commissioners could just guilt their winner into giving any winnings to Hamlin's charity.

CSB: I needed 10 points total from Burrow, Bass, two DLs and Hamlin to win the championship and $400. My commish decided to not extend the season, so the other guy gets the money. We are all pressuring him into giving it to the charity.

Yall suck for that.

If he won the money, he should get to do with it as he chooses.


Yeah winner in our league basically collects a week's paycheck (least for his income level) assuming the commissioner goes with what was likely to be the result. A gift to charity is very nice and thoughtful but that's also a nice little surprise for someone to collect.
 
Doc Daneeka
2023-01-04 12:08:45 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Why even call it a tie?  The Bengals were up 7 to 3.  Should be their win.


Come on, be serious.

There were more than 3 quarters left in the game, it had barely begun.  The Bills would have had an extra possession in the 2nd half (receiving the 2nd half kickoff) and have been a 2nd half team all season.

Also, when the Bills decided to kick a FG on 4th-and-3 from the CIN 7-yard-line, they were expecting to have 3+ quarters left to play.  If they knew that the game was going to end a couple minutes later, don't you think they would have gone for it instead?

There aren't any perfect solutions here, but allowing the score after half a quarter of a football game to stand as the final is probably one of the worst ones.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-01-04 12:15:12 PM  

Doc Daneeka: NKURyan:

If there is karma, then the Chiefs would lose to the Raiders next week.  That would still give the Bills a chance to take the #1 seed if they win, and the Bengals still a chance at the #2 seed if the Bills lose*.


Counterpoint. This balances Karma.

Ten years ago Chiefs LB Jevon Belcher killed himself during practice. He was a starter and the players saw it. The coaches even tried their best to talk him down.

You better believe that there was no talk of delaying or cancelling their game 3 days later against the Bengals (which the Chiefs lost).
 
catmandu
2023-01-04 12:19:09 PM  

Jumpthruhoops: themunsterfullback: Probably upsets fantasy commissioners more than bookies as they actually have to put a judgemental hat on specific to their leagues and buddies. Anything only related to that game can just be voided I would think.

Fantasy commissioners could just guilt their winner into giving any winnings to Hamlin's charity.

CSB: I needed 10 points total from Burrow, Bass, two DLs and Hamlin to win the championship and $400. My commish decided to not extend the season, so the other guy gets the money. We are all pressuring him into giving it to the charity.


I just checked the GoFundMe and several donations are from Fantasy leagues so many have chosen to do just this.

Also, the people who are managing the Foundation are trying to be very transparent and upfront in an unexpected situation. They keep stating that the funds will be used to further the stated mission and they will inform donors as to the specifics as things evolve. I am sure suddenly having to deal with over $6 million in addition to worry over Hamlin himself is a bit overwhelming.
 
Eddie Hazel's E string
2023-01-04 12:22:15 PM  

madgonad: Doc Daneeka: NKURyan:

If there is karma, then the Chiefs would lose to the Raiders next week.  That would still give the Bills a chance to take the #1 seed if they win, and the Bengals still a chance at the #2 seed if the Bills lose*.

Counterpoint. This balances Karma.

Ten years ago Chiefs LB Jevon Belcher killed himself during practice. He was a starter and the players saw it. The coaches even tried their best to talk him down.

You better believe that there was no talk of delaying or cancelling their game 3 days later against the Bengals (which the Chiefs lost).


Uhh, first you spelled his name wrong, and it got worse from there.

It was not at practice, it was at the parking lot of the practice facility and a few front office guys were there but NOT players, certainly not a field full of farking players like this past Monday night.

The Chiefs played the PANTHERS the day after that awful incident. The Chiefs WON the game.

Just... maybe refrain from weighing in on discussions sometimes.
 
Spectrum
2023-01-04 12:24:08 PM  

Peach_Fuz: Realistic Solution:
Week 18 played as normal
NFC wild card + missing game
NFC divisional + AFC wild card
NFC bye + AFC divisional
NFC championship + AFC championship
Pro Bowl + Super Bowl


On NFL Radio this morning I heard a similar suggestion and I liked it.

Week 18 played as normal
NFC wild card + missing game
AFC wild card
Divisional games
Championships
Super Bowl

That's 4-3-4-2-1, and just cancel the stupid Pro Bowl forever.
 
Jumpthruhoops
2023-01-04 12:26:39 PM  

themunsterfullback: EvilToni: Jumpthruhoops: themunsterfullback: Probably upsets fantasy commissioners more than bookies as they actually have to put a judgemental hat on specific to their leagues and buddies. Anything only related to that game can just be voided I would think.

Fantasy commissioners could just guilt their winner into giving any winnings to Hamlin's charity.

CSB: I needed 10 points total from Burrow, Bass, two DLs and Hamlin to win the championship and $400. My commish decided to not extend the season, so the other guy gets the money. We are all pressuring him into giving it to the charity.

Yall suck for that.

If he won the money, he should get to do with it as he chooses.

Yeah winner in our league basically collects a week's paycheck (least for his income level) assuming the commissioner goes with what was likely to be the result. A gift to charity is very nice and thoughtful but that's also a nice little surprise for someone to collect.


The guy in our league makes about $300k / year.  Traditionally, the winner provides drinks in the next draft.  Although last time, the winner put all $400 in an impossible baseball parlay and turned it in something like $5k.  The bastard.
 
Doc Daneeka
2023-01-04 12:27:56 PM  

madgonad: Doc Daneeka: NKURyan:

If there is karma, then the Chiefs would lose to the Raiders next week.  That would still give the Bills a chance to take the #1 seed if they win, and the Bengals still a chance at the #2 seed if the Bills lose*.

Counterpoint. This balances Karma.

Ten years ago Chiefs LB Jevon Belcher killed himself during practice. He was a starter and the players saw it. The coaches even tried their best to talk him down.

You better believe that there was no talk of delaying or cancelling their game 3 days later against the Bengals (which the Chiefs lost).


Admittedly I didn't recall that tragic incident, but I'm not clear how that "balances karma" though, since I don't understand how the Bills benefitted from that prior incident.  How does hurting the Bills' playoff seeding help balance their karma?

Buffalo's been through a lot this year.  A racist massacre in a supermarket.  An all-time major blizzard that left dozens dead.  And as far as the Bills specifically, they had a home game relocated to Detroit because of a different major snowstorm, lost their major offseason acquisition (Von Miller) to a season-ending injury, and now what happened to Hamlin and what the team is going through emotionally right now tops everything.

I think if anyone is owed some good karma at this point, it has to be them.
 
NKURyan
2023-01-04 1:42:46 PM  

SUMMERSN0WS: NKURyan: Dafatone:

Yeah, the Bills *could* have been the one seed if they won out, but they were already losing on MNF and about to give up another score. You don't make the decision based on "coulds".

For a while now the Bills have started out weak then come back to win. The game against the Bears is an example.

Giving the W to the Bengals because they were ahead isn't in the spirit of the game. The two-minute warnings and halftime are meant to give teams a chance to correct. The Bills went for a field goal because they didn't know the game would end in six minutes.


At no point did I say the Bengals should get the win.

Call it a tie. That's the compromise. It's not difficult.

It is possible to win at Arrowhead in the postseason, I promise.
 
nursetim
2023-01-04 1:47:23 PM  

Jumpthruhoops: themunsterfullback: Probably upsets fantasy commissioners more than bookies as they actually have to put a judgemental hat on specific to their leagues and buddies. Anything only related to that game can just be voided I would think.

Fantasy commissioners could just guilt their winner into giving any winnings to Hamlin's charity.

CSB: I needed 10 points total from Burrow, Bass, two DLs and Hamlin to win the championship and $400. My commish decided to not extend the season, so the other guy gets the money. We are all pressuring him into giving it to the charity.


I was in our league championship game for a far smaller cash prize than that. My team was already done and my opponent needed Burrow and Mixon to make up a 72 point deficit. We use CBS, and it's showing me as the winner with those two players having a bye. I haven't heard yet what will ultimately happen, and I'm not going to bug him about it. I'm guessing all of the fantasy sites are in a holding pattern until they get the official word as to what will happen.
 
NKURyan
2023-01-04 1:51:52 PM  

Doc Daneeka: NKURyan: about to give up another score.

Perhaps.  That's an assumption.

NKURyan: You don't make the decision based on "coulds".

Exactly.  With this in mind, re-evaluate the first statement.  The Bengals COULD have scored on that drive.  They COULD have gone on to win that game.  But the Bills COULD also have have easily overcome that 4 pt deficit with more than 3 quarters yet to play.  The Bills have had multiple big comebacks this season, they have been an excellent road team, and they were going to receive the 2nd half kickoff.  There's no way to know what would have happened, so we should not make any assumptions about what was going to happen on that drive, let alone the game.

As I said, there is no good solution here.  This situation negatively impacts both the Bills and the Bengals through no fault of either team, and benefits the Chiefs.

If there is karma, then the Chiefs would lose to the Raiders next week.  That would still give the Bills a chance to take the #1 seed if they win, and the Bengals still a chance at the #2 seed if the Bills lose*.

*I believe that if the Bills lose in Week 18 and the Bengals win, leaving both teams at 12-4, then the Bengals would hold the tiebreaker.  If my math is correct, in this scenario, the head-to-head wouldn't have happened, the Conference records would be equal (8-3), and so would the record against common opponents (also 8-3), so it would go to Strength-of-Victory, where the Bengals currently have an edge.


...which I think brings up a valid point. People are so worried about the Bills potentially missing out on the #1 seed, but the Bengals still had a shot at it too.Hell, calling the game a tie or no contest almost certainly means they'd have to travel to Buffalo in the second round of the playoffs. Not exactly fair either but as a Bengals fan I'm fine with it because *something* has to happen.

You know what I'm not fine with? Putting them at a disadvantage heading into the postseason by messing with their schedule over the next few weeks. The last thing anybody wants to see is a Bill or Bengals getting hurt trying to finish the game after the fact.

/Nerts!
 
NKURyan
2023-01-04 1:53:26 PM  
Putting football aside, how eager do you think the Bills are to return to the stadium their friend almost died at? The game's not happening.
 
tommyl66
2023-01-04 2:13:15 PM  

Spectrum: Peach_Fuz: Realistic Solution:
Week 18 played as normal
NFC wild card + missing game
NFC divisional + AFC wild card
NFC bye + AFC divisional
NFC championship + AFC championship
Pro Bowl + Super Bowl

On NFL Radio this morning I heard a similar suggestion and I liked it.

Week 18 played as normal
NFC wild card + missing game
AFC wild card
Divisional games
Championships
Super Bowl

That's 4-3-4-2-1, and just cancel the stupid Pro Bowl forever.


I think the problem with this scenario and the one mentioned earlier in the thread is that you're introducing a two-week bye for one or more teams, turning their earned advantage into a likely disadvantage. We've seen that one week off can lead to a rusty performance and I can only imagine a two-week break would be much of the same.

In my opinion the only way to go is to treat the Buffalo-Cincy game as a no contest, leaving the Bills and Bengals with 16 games played against everybody else's 17 game total. Yes, there are going to be teams that get the short end of the stick (Baltimore being the obvious one if they were to beat Cincy in Week 18), but trying to shoehorn an extra game into the mix without upsetting the apple cart just doesn't seem to work.
 
Doc Daneeka
2023-01-04 2:22:37 PM  

tommyl66: In my opinion the only way to go is to treat the Buffalo-Cincy game as a no contest, leaving the Bills and Bengals with 16 games played against everybody else's 17 game total. Yes, there are going to be teams that get the short end of the stick (Baltimore being the obvious one if they were to beat Cincy in Week 18), but trying to shoehorn an extra game into the mix without upsetting the apple cart just doesn't seem to work.


Again, the logistics of scheduling the BUF-CIN game at this point are too difficult, but declaring it a tie or no contest also has a lot of undesirable consequences on the standings.

I am increasingly liking the idea of having the BUF-CIN game settled with a coin flip.  The two teams and the league would have to agree to it of course, but it would be fair, both teams would have a chance to win, both teams would finish with 17 games played, both teams would still have a shot at the AFC #1 seed, it would take away KC's unearned advantage over BUF and CIN of playing an additional game, and it would preserve for Baltimore their shot at the AFC North if BAL beats CIN this weekend.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-01-04 2:38:40 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: madgonad: Doc Daneeka: NKURyan:

If there is karma, then the Chiefs would lose to the Raiders next week.  That would still give the Bills a chance to take the #1 seed if they win, and the Bengals still a chance at the #2 seed if the Bills lose*.

Counterpoint. This balances Karma.

Ten years ago Chiefs LB Jevon Belcher killed himself during practice. He was a starter and the players saw it. The coaches even tried their best to talk him down.

You better believe that there was no talk of delaying or cancelling their game 3 days later against the Bengals (which the Chiefs lost).

Uhh, first you spelled his name wrong, and it got worse from there.

It was not at practice, it was at the parking lot of the practice facility and a few front office guys were there but NOT players, certainly not a field full of farking players like this past Monday night.

The Chiefs played the PANTHERS the day after that awful incident. The Chiefs WON the game.

Just... maybe refrain from weighing in on discussions sometimes.


You're right. They played the Panthers 28 hours later, not three days. I pulled the wrong year looking for the game after December 1st. Some of the players were there because they had started to arrive. It was the coaches that were front and center.

/I've met the ShamWow guy
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-01-04 2:42:03 PM  

NKURyan: SUMMERSN0WS: NKURyan: Dafatone:

Yeah, the Bills *could* have been the one seed if they won out, but they were already losing on MNF and about to give up another score. You don't make the decision based on "coulds".

For a while now the Bills have started out weak then come back to win. The game against the Bears is an example.

Giving the W to the Bengals because they were ahead isn't in the spirit of the game. The two-minute warnings and halftime are meant to give teams a chance to correct. The Bills went for a field goal because they didn't know the game would end in six minutes.

At no point did I say the Bengals should get the win.

Call it a tie. That's the compromise. It's not difficult.

It is possible to win at Arrowhead in the postseason, I promise.


It is a lot quieter now. The cheapskates replaced the solid thick plastic seats (which would make a ton of noise when beaten) with this thin and flimsy seatbacks that don't make any noise. We are never getting to 142db again.
 
taliesinwi
2023-01-04 2:43:30 PM  
madgonad:

Ten years ago Chiefs LB Jevon Belcher killed himself during practice. He was a starter and the players saw it. The coaches even tried their best to talk him down.

You better believe that there was no talk of delaying or cancelling their game 3 days later against the Bengals (which the Chiefs lost).

It probably helps that it would have been a bad look to cancel a game to "honor" someone who killed himself after murdering his girlfriend in front of their daughter.
 
Ted Hitchcock
2023-01-04 2:48:23 PM  

Spectrum: Peach_Fuz: Realistic Solution:
Week 18 played as normal
NFC wild card + missing game
NFC divisional + AFC wild card
NFC bye + AFC divisional
NFC championship + AFC championship
Pro Bowl + Super Bowl

On NFL Radio this morning I heard a similar suggestion and I liked it.

Week 18 played as normal
NFC wild card + missing game
AFC wild card
Divisional games
Championships
Super Bowl

That's 4-3-4-2-1, and just cancel the stupid Pro Bowl forever.


So, uh, no on else hosts a pro bowl party...?
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-01-04 2:56:15 PM  

taliesinwi: madgonad:

Ten years ago Chiefs LB Jevon Belcher killed himself during practice. He was a starter and the players saw it. The coaches even tried their best to talk him down.

You better believe that there was no talk of delaying or cancelling their game 3 days later against the Bengals (which the Chiefs lost).

It probably helps that it would have been a bad look to cancel a game to "honor" someone who killed himself after murdering his girlfriend in front of their daughter.


Yep, it was a terrible tragedy in general. The Chiefs really sucked that year too. I forgot that they actually won the game - one of their few wins that year. However the point is that having a teammate kill himself on site is probably a bit more traumatic to the players than a life threatening injury on the field. I guess I am the only one not in complete agony when a worker gets a life threatening injury at work. That is something that happens literally every day.
 
Leader O'Cola
2023-01-04 6:05:21 PM  
NKURyan: Putting football aside, how eager do you think the Bills are to return to the stadium their friend almost died at? The game's not happening.


NormAl people have to do it everyday, and they get paid far less to do so.
 
mariner314
2023-01-04 6:26:21 PM  

Jumpthruhoops: themunsterfullback: Probably upsets fantasy commissioners more than bookies as they actually have to put a judgemental hat on specific to their leagues and buddies. Anything only related to that game can just be voided I would think.

Fantasy commissioners could just guilt their winner into giving any winnings to Hamlin's charity.

CSB: I needed 10 points total from Burrow, Bass, two DLs and Hamlin to win the championship and $400. My commish decided to not extend the season, so the other guy gets the money. We are all pressuring him into giving it to the charity.


Our championship round was heavily impacted by the postponement.

We donated our $1000 pool to his charity:
 
Leader O'Cola
2023-01-04 6:30:57 PM  
mariner314: Jumpthruhoops: themunsterfullback: Probably upsets fantasy commissioners more than bookies as they actually have to put a judgemental hat on specific to their leagues and buddies. Anything only related to that game can just be voided I would think.

Fantasy commissioners could just guilt their winner into giving any winnings to Hamlin's charity.

CSB: I needed 10 points total from Burrow, Bass, two DLs and Hamlin to win the championship and $400. My commish decided to not extend the season, so the other guy gets the money. We are all pressuring him into giving it to the charity.

Our championship round was heavily impacted by the postponement.

We donated our $1000 pool to his charity:


That's a very niceand selfless gesture but at this point his charity is set for a long time. It might be better to make a general donation to a food pantry, etc.    A lot of concession stand workers for example took a financial beating from the games' cancelation and most of them very much live payday to payday.
 
NKURyan
2023-01-04 6:35:00 PM  

Leader O'Cola: NKURyan: Putting football aside, how eager do you think the Bills are to return to the stadium their friend almost died at? The game's not happening.


NormAl people have to do it everyday, and they get paid far less to do so.


You think most people go to work and almost see a coworker die "every day"? BS.

And I'll tell you what, if I went to work and saw somebody nearly die doing my job my employers would 100% give me plenty of time off to work through the trauma. If yours wouldn't you should probably find new employers, and if you won't you should probably find some self respect because you deserve better.
 
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