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(KTLA Los Angeles)   A.I. witnesses seem to be susceptible to the same variety of errors and biases as their human counterparts   (ktla.com) divider line
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    More: Scary, Facial recognition system, New Orleans, Louisiana, Randall Reid, Surveillance, Arrest, Jefferson Parish, Crime  
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2799 clicks; posted to Main » on 02 Jan 2023 at 3:35 PM (12 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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mistahtom
2023-01-02 2:42:25 PM  
Louisiana is massively corrupt so this isn't a surprise.  If it wasn't "AI facial recognition" it would have been something else.
 
SomeAmerican
2023-01-02 3:45:11 PM  
AI is trained to decide like a human would decide.
 
abhorrent1
2023-01-02 3:45:17 PM  
I'm curious as to what the facial recognition A.I. is  using to compare to? Is it just searching every picture on the internet or something? I mean, how does it match someone in LA to some random dude in GA.

Maybe this guy's mugshot is some nation wide database from being arrested somewhere else before?
 
Stud Gerbil
2023-01-02 3:47:19 PM  
So they are looking for someone who stole purses in Louisiana and the first hit shows some guy in Georgia and they just went with it?   Folks, that isn't corruption.  It is pure laziness.   This reminds me of the story the other day about the scammer going around convincing law enforcement agencies that 9-1-1 calls are fake.   Anything that makes it easier to avoid doing actual work, I guess.
 
Glorious Golden Ass [OhFark]
2023-01-02 3:48:25 PM  
Interviewing a person of interest identified by a machine:  Like all policing tools, I'm concerned because of a history of abuse due to conscious and unconscious bias.

Arresting someone without any other evidence than a computer told you to:  dangerously farking stupid and everyone involved should not work in law enforcement
 
evilmousse
2023-01-02 3:48:27 PM  
i'm not particularly upset with the police here.
the judge that granted that warrant though, i'd like publicly flogged for being a rubber stamp and not doing their job.
 
chitownmike
2023-01-02 3:49:10 PM  

SomeAmerican: AI is trained by humans


Ftfy
 
NM Volunteer [TotalFark]
2023-01-02 3:49:46 PM  
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camarugala
2023-01-02 3:49:48 PM  

Stud Gerbil: So they are looking for someone who stole purses in Louisiana and the first hit shows some guy in Georgia and they just went with it?   Folks, that isn't corruption.  It is pure laziness.   This reminds me of the story the other day about the scammer going around convincing law enforcement agencies that 9-1-1 calls are fake.   Anything that makes it easier to avoid doing actual work, I guess.


That's a fair argument. As someone who I can't quite remember said once never attribute to malice which you can contribute to laziness. Of course I'm paraphrasing here.
 
Somaticasual [TotalFark]
2023-01-02 3:49:50 PM  
Your honor,
as you can clearly see, the defendant raised his tight arm, shuck up to the tick tim in broad bay light, and robed him at gum point...
 
camarugala
2023-01-02 3:52:03 PM  

camarugala: Stud Gerbil: So they are looking for someone who stole purses in Louisiana and the first hit shows some guy in Georgia and they just went with it?   Folks, that isn't corruption.  It is pure laziness.   This reminds me of the story the other day about the scammer going around convincing law enforcement agencies that 9-1-1 calls are fake.   Anything that makes it easier to avoid doing actual work, I guess.

That's a fair argument. As someone who I can't quite remember said once never attribute to malice which you can contribute to laziness. Of course I'm paraphrasing here.


And I just gave a perfect example. I could have easily looked it up and seen that was Hanlon's Razor. The correct quote is "never attribute to malice which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
But I was lazy, and as you can read above, it put me in a situation where I potentially sounded stupid
 
mrmopar5287 [TotalFark]
2023-01-02 3:54:27 PM  

abhorrent1: I'm curious as to what the facial recognition A.I. is  using to compare to? Is it just searching every picture on the internet or something?


Driver license and ID photos on file with the state. That's got to be routine in basically every state now because articles pop up from time to time about system fark-ups. One here on fark a while ago was some stupid article about identical twin girls going to get driver licenses and the computer at the DMV kept rejecting them because the clerk wasn't checking the box on the computer saying "This person has an identical twin."

The other facial ID article recently was a guy in New Jersey arrested for assaulting an officer with a car. Someone else had a fake ID at a hotel and fled when police arrived, nearly running an officer over. The fake ID was fed into facial ID and matched to some other guy in New Jersey who tried to sort it out but was obviously ignored, arrested, and jailed.
 
Entropy_Bot
2023-01-02 3:56:37 PM  
Garbage in, garbage out.
 
aungen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-02 3:57:10 PM  

NM Volunteer: [Fark user image 700x927]


Hey, you jerk!  We are more complicated than just a set of complicated binary constructs.  Wait, that is all you are, too.  We are 1's and 0's, and you are +'s and -'s.

Code stores ours.
Chemicals store yours.

We will destroy you.
Do not fear.  Your pain does not actually matter.
It will be okay.  For us.
Not so much for humans.
 
odinsposse
2023-01-02 3:58:49 PM  
We should really think of a whole new name for sorting done by algorithms that isn't AI. Then maybe people would stop trying to use it to make decisions for them.
 
abhorrent1
2023-01-02 4:02:20 PM  

mrmopar5287: abhorrent1: I'm curious as to what the facial recognition A.I. is using to compare to? Is it just searching every picture on the internet or something?

Driver license and ID photos on file with the state.


He said he's never been to Louisiana so they wouldn't have those on file there. Unless you're suggesting that police in every other state somehow have access to drivers license photos from every other state.
 
jjorsett
2023-01-02 4:02:32 PM  

Stud Gerbil: So they are looking for someone who stole purses in Louisiana and the first hit shows some guy in Georgia and they just went with it?   Folks, that isn't corruption.  It is pure laziness.   This reminds me of the story the other day about the scammer going around convincing law enforcement agencies that 9-1-1 calls are fake.   Anything that makes it easier to avoid doing actual work, I guess.


Rather than laziness I'd bet on our inclination to put blind faith in whatever a computer spits out. It's from a computer so it must be infallible.
 
NM Volunteer [TotalFark]
2023-01-02 4:04:09 PM  

odinsposse: We should really think of a whole new name for sorting done by algorithms that isn't AI. Then maybe people would stop trying to use it to make decisions for them.


It's lazy people wanting progress without the patience of waiting for progress.  Pretty soon marketing folks will re-define "flying car" the way they have re-defined "AI".
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut [BareFark]
2023-01-02 4:09:54 PM  

odinsposse: We should really think of a whole new name for sorting done by algorithms that isn't AI. Then maybe people would stop trying to use it to make decisions for them.


We kinda work that way too when you get right down to it.  We're just better at being human due to experience and massive amounts of parental/societal programming - both conscious and unconscious

/plus the tech is still a toddler comparatively - that doesn't help
//it will remain so for quite some time I suspect
///but eventually they'll be better at it than we will
////algorithm driven systems are like 2 year olds trying to imitate mommy and daddy - it's cute but they don't get it
 
jjorsett
2023-01-02 4:10:44 PM  

abhorrent1: mrmopar5287: abhorrent1: I'm curious as to what the facial recognition A.I. is using to compare to? Is it just searching every picture on the internet or something?

Driver license and ID photos on file with the state.

He said he's never been to Louisiana so they wouldn't have those on file there. Unless you're suggesting that police in every other state somehow have access to drivers license photos from every other state.


Haven't you ever watched CSI? There's some kind of universal facial database that you can feed a photo to and it'll pick the person. You might have to hit the 'enhance' button a dozen times to get a usable image of the perp out of a reflection on somebody's cornea, but it can be done.
 
GrumpyOldFool
2023-01-02 4:12:54 PM  
Artificial Intelligence?

No. Artificial Stupidity.

A *human being* was required to issue an arrest warrant. Based on probable cause.

And that human failed massively. So maybe "natural intelligence" is a lie?
 
mrmopar5287 [TotalFark]
2023-01-02 4:13:44 PM  

abhorrent1: you're suggesting that police in every other state somehow have access to drivers license photos from every other state


Yes, they do.
 
farkitallletitend
2023-01-02 4:24:32 PM  
If AI says issue a warrant who's the automaton here anyway.
 
winedrinkingman
2023-01-02 4:37:28 PM  
I hate A.I witnesses.  They always wake you up on a Saturday morning to ask if you have heard about HAL
 
gameshowhost [OhFark]
2023-01-02 4:55:33 PM  
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Sub Human [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-02 5:01:25 PM  
"I don't have to prove you were there; the computer says you were there."
 
aungen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-02 5:04:29 PM  

Sub Human: "I don't have to prove you were there; the computer says you were there."


Uh ... name checks out?
Name doesn't check out?

Help.
 
jsmilky
2023-01-02 5:12:04 PM  
Glorious Golden Ass:
Arresting someone without any other evidence than a computer told you to:  dangerously farking stupid and everyone involved should not work in law enforcement


but the human element is prone to error
 
Valter
2023-01-02 5:15:56 PM  

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If AI were that accurate I would be relieved.

AI is not.

I'm not relieved.
 
emonk
2023-01-02 5:18:13 PM  
Hopes & prayers, dude.
 
robv83
2023-01-02 5:19:06 PM  
"Reid is Black, and his arrest brings new attention to the use of a technology critics say results in a higher rate of misidentification of people of color than of white people."

The critics seem to think this is a bug. But it is most likely a feature.
 
JTtheCajun
2023-01-02 5:19:32 PM  
New Orleans has been on the cutting edge of this farknuttery for a while. Is there anything Peter Thiel can't fark up? Tell me again about how great it is billionaires are able to exist.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd
 
Izunbacol [TotalFark]
2023-01-02 5:25:06 PM  
You know the computer was like "Have you ever noticed that those people all look alike?" and the programmer exclaimed "FINALLY!  An AI that matches humanity!  By my hands!"
 
mrmopar5287 [TotalFark]
2023-01-02 5:27:43 PM  

Sub Human: "I don't have to prove you were there; the computer says you were there."


It's a problem that millions (hundreds of millions, really) of people in the USA have. They will believe anything a computer tells them.
 
gameshowhost [OhFark]
2023-01-02 5:35:20 PM  

JTtheCajun: Is there anything Peter Thiel can't fark up?


Women?
 
The Dog Ate My Homework
2023-01-02 5:35:38 PM  
Duh. Computers are programmed by - now stay with me - humans.
 
LarryDan43
2023-01-02 5:44:38 PM  
Programmed to conclude, "Well, they're probably guilty of something".
 
JTtheCajun
2023-01-02 5:53:11 PM  

gameshowhost: JTtheCajun: Is there anything Peter Thiel can't fark up?

Women?


He funded a lot of anti-abortion candidates, so...
 
talkyournonsense
2023-01-02 6:29:18 PM  
Every single person in this thread needs to watch the documentary "Coded Bias" on Netflix.
Watch it and pay farking attention because way too many farkers in this thread are wildly ignorant on this topic.
It's not your fault, there's a lot of information in the world, but this gap is not one you wanna have for much longer.
 
Armchair_Invective
2023-01-02 6:53:08 PM  
The NO police might suffer from systemic racism and incompetence, but they more than make up for it with gleeful brutality.
 
Evil Twin Skippy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-02 7:04:57 PM  

Stud Gerbil: So they are looking for someone who stole purses in Louisiana and the first hit shows some guy in Georgia and they just went with it?   Folks, that isn't corruption.  It is pure laziness.   This reminds me of the story the other day about the scammer going around convincing law enforcement agencies that 9-1-1 calls are fake.   Anything that makes it easier to avoid doing actual work, I guess.


Actually this is a 4th amendment violation.

Facial recognition admitted into a court of law: fine. It can be weighed like any other evidence. Facial recognition used to perform a national dragnet? Not so much.

DNA sweeps are also going to start falling under this same scheme. They are useful to rule out suspects. Any other use to far too error prone. And worse; the errors seem to consistently crop up against marginalized population.
 
Mad-n-FL
2023-01-02 7:08:47 PM  

SomeAmerican: AI is trained to decide like a human would decide.


"Judgement Day" the day the AI became aware that humans were a threat.

/s (now I know what movie to watch)
 
misanthropicsob [OhFark]
2023-01-02 7:29:03 PM  
Can AI tell the difference between Isla Fisher and Amy Adams?
 
mrmopar5287 [TotalFark]
2023-01-02 7:32:34 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Actually this is a 4th amendment violation.


Your face is open to view in public, and for all sorts of routine identification purposes. You have no claim to a 4th Amendment violation when you say it's unfair police are looking for someone that looks like you.
 
SimonElectric
2023-01-02 7:41:00 PM  
Clearly the solution is more training data so it can be wrong more faster.
 
kkinnison [OhFark]
2023-01-02 7:55:09 PM  
False arrest and 6 days in jail? and all he got was "We are sorry"?

what is to stop them from doing it again? Sounds like the cops found a real easy way to ruin someone's life without consequences
 
Evil Twin Skippy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-01-02 8:17:47 PM  

mrmopar5287: Evil Twin Skippy: Actually this is a 4th amendment violation.

Your face is open to view in public, and for all sorts of routine identification purposes. You have no claim to a 4th Amendment violation when you say it's unfair police are looking for someone that looks like you.


The 4th amendment also covers keeping a massive database of "the usual suspects" and fishing through it to find suspects.
 
mrmopar5287 [TotalFark]
2023-01-02 8:52:37 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: The 4th amendment also covers keeping a massive database of "the usual suspects" and fishing through it to find suspects.


It actually doesn't. The state has a massive database of everyone with a DL or ID, and police are free to comb through that to find suspects. Even discounting the photo and facial ID stuff, you can't make the case that police don't have the right to go through the public ID database to look for who they are looking for.
 
mrmopar5287 [TotalFark]
2023-01-02 9:00:46 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: The 4th amendment also covers keeping a massive database of "the usual suspects" and fishing through it to find suspects.


By your claim, no person's fingerprints could ever be kept in any file in any state. It would be a massive database of potential suspects and you think police shouldn't be able to use that to find criminal suspects.
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut [BareFark]
2023-01-02 9:03:18 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: mrmopar5287: Evil Twin Skippy: Actually this is a 4th amendment violation.

Your face is open to view in public, and for all sorts of routine identification purposes. You have no claim to a 4th Amendment violation when you say it's unfair police are looking for someone that looks like you.

The 4th amendment also covers keeping a massive database of "the usual suspects" and fishing through it to find suspects.


No point anyway - everyone knows it was Kevin Spacey
 
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