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(Some Guy with a Caffeine Habit)   Red Bull has the same amount of Caffeine as a cup of coffee, so it must be as safe as Coffee, right?   (nutritionfacts.org) divider line
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2022-12-29 6:53:01 PM  
Five chocolate bars have as much caffeine as a cup of coffee, same same, right?
 
2022-12-29 7:22:40 PM  
I don't care, coffee taste better than energy drinks by several order of magnitudes, and so does Pepsi or Coke.

/Dr Pepper also I guess but its taste is way too sweet for me.
 
2022-12-29 7:22:54 PM  
I'll stick with my drip coffee maker. Haven't tasted an energy drink that I liked.
 
2022-12-29 7:29:42 PM  
No. Coffee typically has more caffeine.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2022-12-29 7:32:39 PM  
That article would have done well at a high school science fair.  Weird links, unanswered questions about the effects of other ingredients beyond caffeine, use of measurements without definitions of the measurement or using the right measurement at all, weird.
 
2022-12-29 8:00:02 PM  

talkertopc: I don't care, coffee taste better than energy drinks by several order of magnitudes, and so does Pepsi or Coke.

/Dr Pepper also I guess but its taste is way too sweet for me.


In fairness, bitters in general are pretty much the textbook definition of an "acquired taste".  Short version is that you probably like the taste of coffee because, well, you forced your way through the bitterness initially when drinking it for other reasons (e.g. to stay awake) and your body eventually associated the bitter edge with the caffeine rush.  Ditto cigarettes but with nicotene, no one actually likes the taste of their first cigarette, the preference is developed by association.

This isn't something that's unique to stimulants by any means, actually literally the same principle applies to the larger amounts of sugar that american foods are loaded with (for political / economic subsidy reasons) in the first place-- a lot of other nations statistically tend to feel about American bread and sugar-heavy soft drinks roughly how a typical teenager feels about their first cigarette or cup of coffee, because it's not "normal" for them.

The advantage energy drinks have is that they already taste like something the target audience is already drinking, by design, so there isn't that initial hump to get over of "I like the caffeine rush, but getting it tastes like taking farking medicine".

So, like... you're not wrong, but you're sort of missing the forest for the trees.  This is one of those "opinions" that you have for pretty concrete biological reasons tied to the way humans adapt to things, even calling it a personal preference, while true in the literal, technical sense, is kind of skipping over the point.  If everyone magically stopped selling coffee for a generation and then it was re-introduced, it would not be re-adopted.  Honestly probably the same for traditional soft drinks, though not for energy drinks, because energy drinks actually don't have a taste.  Like, any individual energy drink has a taste, but literally you can fortify anything with caffeine at this point in technology so they're intentionally designed to just taste like whatever is popular.  The original energy drinks were starbucks double-shot cans, guess what they tasted like.

// That said, the overall assertions of the article are... dubious at best, for similar reasons.  Coffee is a relatively specific set of ingredients but "energy drink" can literally be anything other than the caffeine itself.  Making broad assertions about a category that can be basically farking anything based on this kind of tiny sample size is going to give you data of dubious utility even if your results are, strictly speaking, correct.

// The general, and take this with a giant grain of salt too because of how much variation there is but in general, the profile of ingredients for a typical energy drink tends to be the same as a "vitamin supplement" outside of the caffeine, meaning an ingredient list that sounds like it might do something but actually does nothing whatsoever outside of the caffeine itself.  Celsius is my personal vice at the moment, and its list is like: Vitamin C, serves a biological purpose but doubtful you don't already have the maximum you can absorb from food; Taurine - does literally nothing unless you're feeding it to your house-cat, it's a thing only obligate carnivores ever fall short on, B12 - does literally nothing, almost by definition you already get something like two orders of magnitude more than your body needs from diet even if you only eat junk food, various salts - sound sciencey, do nothing (for extra irony the NaCl "table salt" they don't write down for the inverse reason is actually potentially good for you, as it IS something some diets fall short on), etc.  All of these are advertised as giving you 'natural energy', but do nothing-- however, the 200mg of caffeine gives you hella energy.
 
2022-12-29 8:26:25 PM  
I like red bull and monster drinks. The two times I didn't remember how I got home were one of the two above drinks plus vodka. I won't drink them daily. I drink them when I have an all night paperwork session, cut with water 5 to 1 and chased with a glass of water. It works well, get the focus on the work without the jitters. Never doing the vodka combination again because I like to know where I am and who I'm with ...
 
2022-12-29 8:30:01 PM  

433: That article would have done well at a high school science fair.  Weird links, unanswered questions about the effects of other ingredients beyond caffeine, use of measurements without definitions of the measurement or using the right measurement at all, weird.


I did a marketing project in high school about energy drinks back when there were only 3 on the market, and I found some of those ingredients questionable at best even back then in the early '00s.
 
2022-12-29 8:32:52 PM  

Jim_Callahan: talkertopc: I don't care, coffee taste better than energy drinks by several order of magnitudes, and so does Pepsi or Coke.

/Dr Pepper also I guess but its taste is way too sweet for me.

In fairness, bitters in general are pretty much the textbook definition of an "acquired taste".  Short version is that you probably like the taste of coffee because, well, you forced your way through the bitterness initially when drinking it for other reasons (e.g. to stay awake) and your body eventually associated the bitter edge with the caffeine rush.  Ditto cigarettes but with nicotene, no one actually likes the taste of their first cigarette, the preference is developed by association.

This isn't something that's unique to stimulants by any means, actually literally the same principle applies to the larger amounts of sugar that american foods are loaded with (for political / economic subsidy reasons) in the first place-- a lot of other nations statistically tend to feel about American bread and sugar-heavy soft drinks roughly how a typical teenager feels about their first cigarette or cup of coffee, because it's not "normal" for them.

The advantage energy drinks have is that they already taste like something the target audience is already drinking, by design, so there isn't that initial hump to get over of "I like the caffeine rush, but getting it tastes like taking farking medicine".

So, like... you're not wrong, but you're sort of missing the forest for the trees.  This is one of those "opinions" that you have for pretty concrete biological reasons tied to the way humans adapt to things, even calling it a personal preference, while true in the literal, technical sense, is kind of skipping over the point.  If everyone magically stopped selling coffee for a generation and then it was re-introduced, it would not be re-adopted.  Honestly probably the same for traditional soft drinks, though not for energy drinks, because energy drinks actually don't have a taste.  Like, any  ...


Dude, you should probably switch to chamomile tea for awhile. You've got a Jack Kerouac thing happening with the tempo of your prose, and he was cranked on Benzedrine.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2022-12-29 8:54:58 PM  

harleyquinnical: 433: That article would have done well at a high school science fair.  Weird links, unanswered questions about the effects of other ingredients beyond caffeine, use of measurements without definitions of the measurement or using the right measurement at all, weird.

I did a marketing project in high school about energy drinks back when there were only 3 on the market, and I found some of those ingredients questionable at best even back then in the early '00s.


Yeah.  I'm sure you remember Mini-Thins, the new formulas, Yellow Jackets, and the glut of energy drinks containing all kinds of things before the big market players began to really dominate.  There was stuff out there that was not only questionable, but possibly fat more harmful together in a pill or drink and combined than the classic and illegal stimulants.  That sounds like a very interdasting project you worked on, nice.  That marketing, they'll get you, and get you again.
 
2022-12-29 9:05:42 PM  

433: harleyquinnical: 433: That article would have done well at a high school science fair.  Weird links, unanswered questions about the effects of other ingredients beyond caffeine, use of measurements without definitions of the measurement or using the right measurement at all, weird.

I did a marketing project in high school about energy drinks back when there were only 3 on the market, and I found some of those ingredients questionable at best even back then in the early '00s.

Yeah.  I'm sure you remember Mini-Thins, the new formulas, Yellow Jackets, and the glut of energy drinks containing all kinds of things before the big market players began to really dominate.  There was stuff out there that was not only questionable, but possibly fat more harmful together in a pill or drink and combined than the classic and illegal stimulants.  That sounds like a very interdasting project you worked on, nice.  That marketing, they'll get you, and get you again.


Harmful indeed.  I can't have 5 hour energy shots because they cause tremors and heart palpitations even with half a bottle at a time.  I may as well be hypoglycemic if I have one.  The difference is, with the hypoglycemia, I know how to fix it.
 
2022-12-29 9:11:10 PM  

Jim_Callahan: In fairness, bitters in general are pretty much the textbook definition of an "acquired taste".

In the food world, if something is sweet, your body usually tells you to eat more of it because it is probably safe. Bitter could be something poisonous, so your body will send signals to not eat too much of it.If you are trying to lose weight, you can hack your appetite by eating something bitter and it will cause you to eat less.In times past, people ate more bitter things. It's been nearly eliminated from our western diets now. The obesity epidemic nods in approval.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2022-12-29 9:20:11 PM  
Transporter_ii are you able to pull up some references on when and where people ate things that were more bitter?  I'd like to read about that, as people have been eating food for a long time of course and I have not encountered anything before that suggests we liked it bitter by taste or default.
 
2022-12-29 9:53:04 PM  
one cup of coffee is not that much, unless they meant the Dunkin Donuts extra large coffee, which is quite wonderful and is also actually good coffee
 
2022-12-29 11:00:21 PM  

transporter_ii: Jim_Callahan: In fairness, bitters in general are pretty much the textbook definition of an "acquired taste".
In the food world, if something is sweet, your body usually tells you to eat more of it because it is probably safe. Bitter could be something poisonous, so your body will send signals to not eat too much of it.If you are trying to lose weight, you can hack your appetite by eating something bitter and it will cause you to eat less.In times past, people ate more bitter things. It's been nearly eliminated from our western diets now. The obesity epidemic nods in approval.


Checks out.  I ordered bitter melon at a Chinese restaurant once, ate nothing. Wanted to eat nothing.
 
2022-12-29 11:54:20 PM  
That's too bad. I have no risk factors, but the sugar free Monster in the white can is one of my guilty pleasures. shiat is amazing.
 
2022-12-30 12:07:41 AM  

Likwit: That's too bad. I have no risk factors, but the sugar free Monster in the white can is one of my guilty pleasures. shiat is amazing.


Same with Rockstar. If I can get it the sugar-free fruit punch. But I live in a wasteland where Target is the only store and they are picked clean every day. Nothing in stock.

/ Nightmare.
 
2022-12-30 3:28:25 AM  
The sole purpose of Red Bull is to convey Jägermeister to the mouth.

Change my mind.
 
2022-12-30 7:49:48 AM  
Beneficial to my farkin dentist..
 
2022-12-30 9:07:37 AM  

CrazyCurt: Likwit: That's too bad. I have no risk factors, but the sugar free Monster in the white can is one of my guilty pleasures. shiat is amazing.

Same with Rockstar. If I can get it the sugar-free fruit punch. But I live in a wasteland where Target is the only store and they are picked clean every day. Nothing in stock.

/ Nightmare.


I drink a can of Rockstar instead of coffee each day. My local stores don't really carry it all that much (mostly just gas stations) because Monster is bigger here for some reason. So, I set up an auto ship from Amazon and an 18 pack shows up on my doorstep every two weeks. Works wonders.
 
2022-12-30 9:30:53 AM  

natazha: I'll stick with my drip coffee maker. Haven't tasted an energy drink that I liked.


Agreed. All of them taste like a middle school chemistry experiment to me. I've never tasted one and thought "I want to drink this every day."

Coffee was always fine to me with cream and sugar, and eventually I was able to back off and eliminate the sugar. It wasn't so much an acquired taste as it was "I'm drinking too much Coca Cola--there has to be a slightly healthier option that I also like."
 
2022-12-30 9:50:20 AM  
CSB
Years ago I signed up to be part of a class action against Red Bull. I saw an ad or something and figured why the hell not, maybe I'll get something. The lawsuit alleged Red Bull was dangerous to drink and lead to health problems. After the suit was settled, I got my recompense. They mailed me a free 4-pack of Red Bull. Seriously.


/yes, I drank it. Free Red Bull.
// Mmmmmmm dangerous
 
2022-12-30 10:19:18 AM  

Jim_Callahan: talkertopc: I don't care, coffee taste better than energy drinks by several order of magnitudes, and so does Pepsi or Coke.

/Dr Pepper also I guess but its taste is way too sweet for me.

In fairness, bitters in general are pretty much the textbook definition of an "acquired taste".  Short version is that you probably like the taste of coffee because, well, you forced your way through the bitterness initially when drinking it for other reasons (e.g. to stay awake) and your body eventually associated the bitter edge with the caffeine rush.  Ditto cigarettes but with nicotene, no one actually likes the taste of their first cigarette, the preference is developed by association.

This isn't something that's unique to stimulants by any means, actually literally the same principle applies to the larger amounts of sugar that american foods are loaded with (for political / economic subsidy reasons) in the first place-- a lot of other nations statistically tend to feel about American bread and sugar-heavy soft drinks roughly how a typical teenager feels about their first cigarette or cup of coffee, because it's not "normal" for them.

The advantage energy drinks have is that they already taste like something the target audience is already drinking, by design, so there isn't that initial hump to get over of "I like the caffeine rush, but getting it tastes like taking farking medicine".

So, like... you're not wrong, but you're sort of missing the forest for the trees.  This is one of those "opinions" that you have for pretty concrete biological reasons tied to the way humans adapt to things, even calling it a personal preference, while true in the literal, technical sense, is kind of skipping over the point.  If everyone magically stopped selling coffee for a generation and then it was re-introduced, it would not be re-adopted.  Honestly probably the same for traditional soft drinks, though not for energy drinks, because energy drinks actually don't have a taste.  Like, any individual energy drink has a taste, but literally you can fortify anything with caffeine at this point in technology so they're intentionally designed to just taste like whatever is popular.  The original energy drinks were starbucks double-shot cans, guess what they tasted like.

// That said, the overall assertions of the article are... dubious at best, for similar reasons.  Coffee is a relatively specific set of ingredients but "energy drink" can literally be anything other than the caffeine itself.  Making broad assertions about a category that can be basically farking anything based on this kind of tiny sample size is going to give you data of dubious utility even if your results are, strictly speaking, correct.

// The general, and take this with a giant grain of salt too because of how much variation there is but in general, the profile of ingredients for a typical energy drink tends to be the same as a "vitamin supplement" outside of the caffeine, meaning an ingredient list that sounds like it might do something but actually does nothing whatsoever outside of the caffeine itself.  Celsius is my personal vice at the moment, and its list is like: Vitamin C, serves a biological purpose but doubtful you don't already have the maximum you can absorb from food; Taurine - does literally nothing unless you're feeding it to your house-cat, it's a thing only obligate carnivores ever fall short on, B12 - does literally nothing, almost by definition you already get something like two orders of magnitude more than your body needs from diet even if you only eat junk food, various salts - sound sciencey, do nothing (for extra irony the NaCl "table salt" they don't write down for the inverse reason is actually potentially good for you, as it IS something some diets fall short on), etc.  All of these are advertised as giving you 'natural energy', but do nothing-- however, the 200mg of caffeine gives you hella energy.


Caffeine doesnt give you shiat

It borrows energy from your future to use now.

But, in the future you still have to pay it back

There are no shortcuts
Just drugs
 
2022-12-30 10:21:46 AM  

clkeagle: natazha: I'll stick with my drip coffee maker. Haven't tasted an energy drink that I liked.

Agreed. All of them taste like a middle school chemistry experiment to me. I've never tasted one and thought "I want to drink this every day."

Coffee was always fine to me with cream and sugar, and eventually I was able to back off and eliminate the sugar. It wasn't so much an acquired taste as it was "I'm drinking too much Coca Cola--there has to be a slightly healthier option that I also like."


Drink abt 2 liters a day and you will be delivering a nice spiny kidney stone within a year.

That baby will rip ur dick a new one too.
 
2022-12-30 10:23:27 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: CrazyCurt: Likwit: That's too bad. I have no risk factors, but the sugar free Monster in the white can is one of my guilty pleasures. shiat is amazing.

Same with Rockstar. If I can get it the sugar-free fruit punch. But I live in a wasteland where Target is the only store and they are picked clean every day. Nothing in stock.

/ Nightmare.

I drink a can of Rockstar instead of coffee each day. My local stores don't really carry it all that much (mostly just gas stations) because Monster is bigger here for some reason. So, I set up an auto ship from Amazon and an 18 pack shows up on my doorstep every two weeks. Works wonders.


It is nice having that kind of service from a reliable dealer no doubt
 
2022-12-30 10:23:52 AM  

Marcos P: Beneficial to my farkin dentist..


Absolutely
 
2022-12-30 10:24:16 AM  

Marcos P: Beneficial to my farkin dentist..


Sit at home stock owners too
 
2022-12-30 10:24:49 AM  

CrazyCurt: Likwit: That's too bad. I have no risk factors, but the sugar free Monster in the white can is one of my guilty pleasures. shiat is amazing.

Same with Rockstar. If I can get it the sugar-free fruit punch. But I live in a wasteland where Target is the only store and they are picked clean every day. Nothing in stock.

/ Nightmare.


Find another dealer
 
2022-12-30 10:25:45 AM  

Likwit: That's too bad. I have no risk factors, but the sugar free Monster in the white can is one of my guilty pleasures. shiat is amazing.


Meth puts it to shame
 
2022-12-30 10:27:42 AM  

transporter_ii: Jim_Callahan: In fairness, bitters in general are pretty much the textbook definition of an "acquired taste".
In the food world, if something is sweet, your body usually tells you to eat more of it because it is probably safe. Bitter could be something poisonous, so your body will send signals to not eat too much of it.If you are trying to lose weight, you can hack your appetite by eating something bitter and it will cause you to eat less.In times past, people ate more bitter things. It's been nearly eliminated from our western diets now. The obesity epidemic nods in approval.


Thats why murcan food industry puts sugar in everything.
They know ull buy more and their stock owners will get more free precious.

And you get more health problems
 
2022-12-30 3:01:00 PM  
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The original is uncarbonated and tastes nothing like the westernized version.
 
2022-12-30 5:05:21 PM  

Mindlock: The sole purpose of Red Bull is to convey Jägermeister to the mouth.

Change my mind.


Eh, you do you. Once you graduate high school and try better drinks, you'll probably change your own mind.

/couldn't resist
 
2022-12-30 8:55:58 PM  

Likwit: That's too bad. I have no risk factors, but the sugar free Monster in the white can is one of my guilty pleasures. shiat is amazing.


Another person on my wavelength.  The white Monster is excellent, and in fact I'm drinking it right now.
The only other energy drink that comes close is the mango-flavoured energy drink from Aldi (that's in Australia, not sure if you get it in other countries).
 
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