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(Deadline)   Despite continuing James Cameron's unrivaled parade of nonsense, Avatar 2: Revenge of the Smurfs has made $1 billion globally   (deadline.com) divider line
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2022-12-29 8:43:22 AM  
I wish they would start emphasizing tickets sold over box office take. This movie is only worth seeing for the visuals, which means a good chunk of people are seeing it in IMAX 3D, which ups the price of a ticket substantially.
 
2022-12-29 8:55:15 AM  
Never bet against Box Office Jim.
 
2022-12-29 8:58:10 AM  
A lot of weird people are personally invested in this films alleged failure for some dumb reason. Quote a few of them on Fark as well.
 
2022-12-29 8:59:45 AM  
Another $3 billion, and they'll have recouped production costs and be at least a third of the way to being profitable by Hollywood accounting standards.
 
2022-12-29 9:05:11 AM  
And for years everyone laughed at me when I said (despite sharing seemingly everyone on the internet's apathy towards this movie) that only a fool would bet against James Cameron.
 
2022-12-29 9:06:49 AM  

kryptoknightmare: And for years everyone laughed at me when I said (despite sharing seemingly everyone on the internet's apathy towards this movie) that only a fool would bet against James Cameron.


Avatar is Good and I Will Die on That Hill
Youtube W8sgI3bK0Ag
 
2022-12-29 9:08:42 AM  
Watch Avatar on shrooms and tell me it's not the best thing you've ever seen.
 
2022-12-29 9:10:28 AM  
That clearly means it's the best movie ever made and everything from here on out should and will only be Avatar.
 
2022-12-29 9:10:48 AM  
That's cool, just a billion to go until it breaks even.
 
2022-12-29 9:11:00 AM  
Oh good, this thread again.
 
2022-12-29 9:11:39 AM  
Is this the first billion dollar post-covid film?   I don't follow those numbers, but this is the first time in a while I can remember a "B" being attached to a release.
 
2022-12-29 9:11:43 AM  
Rotten Tomatoes Critics score: 78%

Rotten Tomatoes Audience score: 92%

IMDB rating: 8.0

Makes 1 Billion dollars in two weeks.

Very "smart" people on FARK:

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Through *literally* measurable metric, people like the movie. Fark, you are wrong to hate on this one. I don't want to see it personally, the complete obliviousness to the fact it is obviously not trash is amaz....actually, what I am i talking about?

Hating something popular?

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2022-12-29 9:13:51 AM  

Rent Party: Is this the first billion dollar post-covid film?   I don't follow those numbers, but this is the first time in a while I can remember a "B" being attached to a release.


Nope, the last Spider-man movie made almost 2 billion
 
2022-12-29 9:14:15 AM  

Rent Party: Is this the first billion dollar post-covid film?   I don't follow those numbers, but this is the first time in a while I can remember a "B" being attached to a release.


Jurassic World cleared a billion. Top Gun cleared a billion and a half.
 
2022-12-29 9:15:01 AM  

TDWCom29: Rent Party: Is this the first billion dollar post-covid film?   I don't follow those numbers, but this is the first time in a while I can remember a "B" being attached to a release.

Nope, the last Spider-man movie made almost 2 billion


They made another Spiderman movie?
 
2022-12-29 9:15:33 AM  

Magnus Eisengrim: Rent Party: Is this the first billion dollar post-covid film?   I don't follow those numbers, but this is the first time in a while I can remember a "B" being attached to a release.

Jurassic World cleared a billion. Top Gun cleared a billion and a half.


Ah yeah, Top Gun.  That one should have been obvious.
 
2022-12-29 9:17:19 AM  
"People don't care"

"Okay they care but it won't break a billion"

"Okay it broke a billion but it won't cover its costs based on probably bullshiat rumors" <----We are here

"Okay it made back its costs, but people won't care about the next movie"

"Okay they care but it won't break a billion"

And so forth
 
2022-12-29 9:19:35 AM  
I'm still wondering if it'll kick off a new 3D wave.
 
2022-12-29 9:24:30 AM  

Kubo: I wish they would start emphasizing tickets sold over box office take. This movie is only worth seeing for the visuals, which means a good chunk of people are seeing it in IMAX 3D, which ups the price of a ticket substantially.


If they did, they wouldn't refer to Avatar as having the biggest box office ever.  Tickets sold is the same as inflation-adjusted (more or less, because it's not a perfect one-to-one matchup), and the inflation-adjusted highest grossing film is still Gone with the Wind.
 
2022-12-29 9:25:28 AM  
James Cameron is a genius.

If you want a film that 1.5 billion Chinese want to see, it has to have a simple plot and not a lot of heavy dialogue, of the sort that would require a lot of subtitles to explain, and it has to be a visual spectacle. This is why silly movies like World of Warcraft and the Transformers do well in China, because they're simple plots with heavy CGI and nothing else.

Avatar II is not made for us. In fact, a lot of movies these days aren't. They're made specifically for the foreign market, which is easily ten times larger than ours, and hence where all the money is. Just as they oursourced manufacturing in the 70s and 80s, and tech support in the 90s and 00s, now they are outsourcing the entertainment.

/fark the Chinese government
 
2022-12-29 9:32:52 AM  

Ishkur: James Cameron is a genius.

If you want a film that 1.5 billion Chinese want to see, it has to have a simple plot and not a lot of heavy dialogue, of the sort that would require a lot of subtitles to explain, and it has to be a visual spectacle. This is why silly movies like World of Warcraft and the Transformers do well in China, because they're simple plots with heavy CGI and nothing else.

Avatar II is not made for us. In fact, a lot of movies these days aren't. They're made specifically for the foreign market, which is easily ten times larger than ours, and hence where all the money is. Just as they oursourced manufacturing in the 70s and 80s, and tech support in the 90s and 00s, now they are outsourcing the entertainment.

/fark the Chinese government


It's probably going to be at least the 2nd highest grossing movie in this country
 
2022-12-29 9:33:45 AM  

Ishkur: James Cameron is a genius.

If you want a film that 1.5 billion Chinese want to see, it has to have a simple plot and not a lot of heavy dialogue, of the sort that would require a lot of subtitles to explain, and it has to be a visual spectacle. This is why silly movies like World of Warcraft and the Transformers do well in China, because they're simple plots with heavy CGI and nothing else.

Avatar II is not made for us. In fact, a lot of movies these days aren't. They're made specifically for the foreign market, which is easily ten times larger than ours, and hence where all the money is. Just as they oursourced manufacturing in the 70s and 80s, and tech support in the 90s and 00s, now they are outsourcing the entertainment.

/fark the Chinese government


Not only China. Also South Korea, Japan, India, and Eastern Europe. Literal billions of eyeballs happy to watch movies like "Avatar", sometimes twice while it's in theaters.

By the time it finally moves to Disney+ it will have easily hit $3B+.
 
2022-12-29 9:37:01 AM  
Only time I am interested in a tall smurf
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2022-12-29 9:37:23 AM  

The Weekend Baker: Kubo: I wish they would start emphasizing tickets sold over box office take. This movie is only worth seeing for the visuals, which means a good chunk of people are seeing it in IMAX 3D, which ups the price of a ticket substantially.

If they did, they wouldn't refer to Avatar as having the biggest box office ever.  Tickets sold is the same as inflation-adjusted (more or less, because it's not a perfect one-to-one matchup), and the inflation-adjusted highest grossing film is still Gone with the Wind.


Not quite, because inflation-adjusted doesn't take into account foreign markets.  By tickets sold metrics, Chinese cinema seems to dominate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_by_box_office_admissions
 
2022-12-29 9:41:53 AM  
The movie is great. Not sure where the hate is coming from.
 
2022-12-29 9:44:48 AM  
Fark off Subby, Avatar 2 was better than the 1st one - and I haven't even (re)seen it in 3D yet
 
2022-12-29 9:49:45 AM  

TDWCom29: Ishkur: James Cameron is a genius.

If you want a film that 1.5 billion Chinese want to see, it has to have a simple plot and not a lot of heavy dialogue, of the sort that would require a lot of subtitles to explain, and it has to be a visual spectacle. This is why silly movies like World of Warcraft and the Transformers do well in China, because they're simple plots with heavy CGI and nothing else.

Avatar II is not made for us. In fact, a lot of movies these days aren't. They're made specifically for the foreign market, which is easily ten times larger than ours, and hence where all the money is. Just as they oursourced manufacturing in the 70s and 80s, and tech support in the 90s and 00s, now they are outsourcing the entertainment.

/fark the Chinese government

It's probably going to be at least the 2nd highest grossing movie in this country


Depends on if the BO for it picks up this weekend or if it has another drop off. If it drops off again it's probably going to end in the top 5 domestically for 2022, but it's still got a ways to go to beat Black Panther 2 for the second spot. Not impossible, but it's not likely going to do it's opening weekend numbers that it would need to do to finish for 2nd place for 2022 by the end of this weekend.
 
2022-12-29 9:50:16 AM  

Kubo: I wish they would start emphasizing tickets sold over box office take. This movie is only worth seeing for the visuals, which means a good chunk of people are seeing it in IMAX 3D, which ups the price of a ticket substantially.


It may sound flippant, but I mean this question sincerely: Why the fark do you care? What is it about these metrics that is meaningful to you personally?

What comfort would you find in knowing the raw numbers of tickets sold, and how is it a mark against the film to know that the people buying those tickets were largely willing to expend more money for an enhanced experience?
 
2022-12-29 9:52:49 AM  

Kubo: I wish they would start emphasizing tickets sold over box office take. This movie is only worth seeing for the visuals, which means a good chunk of people are seeing it in IMAX 3D, which ups the price of a ticket substantially.


There are two empirical measures, and they ought to both be considered - how many asses in seats, and how much money did it pull in.  Both need to be adjusted, the former for population growth, the latter for inflation.

I'm not so concerned with number of screens, because if they had thought it would do better, there would have been more screens... still, you could go for something like "sales percentage above average for venues" or something.

But since it's all marketing, you're unlikely to get numbers presented that attempt to give you an accurate picture (for any movie, not this one specifically).
 
2022-12-29 9:54:51 AM  

Kubo: I wish they would start emphasizing tickets sold over box office take. This movie is only worth seeing for the visuals, which means a good chunk of people are seeing it in IMAX 3D, which ups the price of a ticket substantially.


Same with the original movie. Tickets for it were double a normal ticket price, due to the 3d stuff, which made it seem more popular than it actually was.
 
2022-12-29 9:56:24 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: Depends on if the BO for it picks up this weekend or if it has another drop off. If it drops off again it's probably going to end in the top 5 domestically for 2022, but it's still got a ways to go to beat Black Panther 2 for the second spot. Not impossible, but it's not likely going to do it's opening weekend numbers that it would need to do to finish for 2nd place for 2022 by the end of this weekend.


Avatar is 8th domestically. Top US movies this year:

- Top Gun
- Black Panther
- Doctor Strange
- Jurassic World
- Minions
- The Batman
- Thor: Love and Thunder
- Avatar 2
 
2022-12-29 9:56:44 AM  

LesserEvil: kryptoknightmare: And for years everyone laughed at me when I said (despite sharing seemingly everyone on the internet's apathy towards this movie) that only a fool would bet against James Cameron.

[YouTube video: Avatar is Good and I Will Die on That Hill]


As has been pointed out, there's no correlation between quality and popularity. Otherwise, one would have to assume a McDonald's hamburger tastes better than filet mignon.
 
2022-12-29 9:59:06 AM  

skyotter: I'm still wondering if it'll kick off a new 3D wave.


Unlikely. Studios tried to jump on that bandwagon before and they discovered while people were willing to watch a James Cameron event movie in 3D, that didn't translate to billion dollar box offices for movies that weren't. They still do post production 3D and release movies in a lower amount of theaters in 3D but they pretty much know the demand for it at this point and aren't going to over commit to increasing production budgets or anything just because people will see this movie.

The era of 3D TVs isn't returning.
 
2022-12-29 10:01:51 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: skyotter: I'm still wondering if it'll kick off a new 3D wave.

Unlikely. Studios tried to jump on that bandwagon before and they discovered while people were willing to watch a James Cameron event movie in 3D, that didn't translate to billion dollar box offices for movies that weren't. They still do post production 3D and release movies in a lower amount of theaters in 3D but they pretty much know the demand for it at this point and aren't going to over commit to increasing production budgets or anything just because people will see this movie.

The era of 3D TVs isn't returning.


3d in films and TV adds nothing to the experience, and is more distracting than anything. It isn't like VR/AR, which is a truly immersive experience.
 
2022-12-29 10:03:10 AM  

NuclearPenguins: A lot of weird people are personally invested in this films alleged failure for some dumb reason. Quote a few of them on Fark as well.


I've yet to see anyone talk about what a great story it was, how meaningful it was, favorite scene, cried/cheered at this part, this character was hilarious, etc. None of that.

Is the audience just all the people who don't go online? Why should I see this movie?
 
2022-12-29 10:03:48 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: LesserEvil: kryptoknightmare: And for years everyone laughed at me when I said (despite sharing seemingly everyone on the internet's apathy towards this movie) that only a fool would bet against James Cameron.

[YouTube video: Avatar is Good and I Will Die on That Hill]

As has been pointed out, there's no correlation between quality and popularity. Otherwise, one would have to assume a McDonald's hamburger tastes better than filet mignon.


There is a weak correlation - if a McDonald's hamburger tasted like cellophane and gave you the runs, it probably wouldn't sell nearly as well.

There is also the matter of defining 'quality'.  With entertainment, a lot of people want something specific and technical, but the reality is the quality of the product should be a measure of how well it does what it is supposed to do.  I believe a movie should be considered 'quality' if it entertains in the way it was meant to... and that can happen with all sorts of things being otherwise wrong with it.  It's a hell of a thing to try and measure, though.
 
2022-12-29 10:04:15 AM  
moothemagiccow:Why should I see this movie?

YOU
shouldn't. No one needs your goofy ass in their theater.
 
2022-12-29 10:05:09 AM  

moothemagiccow: I've yet to see anyone talk about what a great story it was, how meaningful it was, favorite scene, cried/cheered at this part, this character was hilarious, etc. None of that.


Yeah it's "it looks great and is amazing to see!" is all I've ever heard. When I ask about how it was content wise, "it's an ok story that has been told before". K. Guess I need to run out right now and see it!
 
2022-12-29 10:06:25 AM  

peachpicker: Kubo: I wish they would start emphasizing tickets sold over box office take. This movie is only worth seeing for the visuals, which means a good chunk of people are seeing it in IMAX 3D, which ups the price of a ticket substantially.

It may sound flippant, but I mean this question sincerely: Why the fark do you care? What is it about these metrics that is meaningful to you personally?

What comfort would you find in knowing the raw numbers of tickets sold, and how is it a mark against the film to know that the people buying those tickets were largely willing to expend more money for an enhanced experience?


Didn't that pharma bro spend like 2 million dollars on a Wu Tang Clan album
Is that the same as 200,000 people buying a $10 copy
 
2022-12-29 10:06:35 AM  

phimuskapsi: Lumbar Puncture: Depends on if the BO for it picks up this weekend or if it has another drop off. If it drops off again it's probably going to end in the top 5 domestically for 2022, but it's still got a ways to go to beat Black Panther 2 for the second spot. Not impossible, but it's not likely going to do it's opening weekend numbers that it would need to do to finish for 2nd place for 2022 by the end of this weekend.

Avatar is 8th domestically. Top US movies this year:

- Top Gun
- Black Panther
- Doctor Strange
- Jurassic World
- Minions
- The Batman
- Thor: Love and Thunder
- Avatar 2


Yes, which is why I responded that it'll unlikely end up as second for this year. There's one weekend left for 2022 and it would need to make over 120 million domestic. Probably will make enough this weekend to overtake the bottom 4 though and end up in the top five.
 
2022-12-29 10:07:31 AM  
WHO WAS THAT LOSER WHO MOCKED ME WHEN I SUGGESTED THIS MOVIE WOULD EASILY BREEZE PAST ONE BILLION, REVEAL YOURSELF
 
2022-12-29 10:08:29 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: phimuskapsi: Lumbar Puncture: Depends on if the BO for it picks up this weekend or if it has another drop off. If it drops off again it's probably going to end in the top 5 domestically for 2022, but it's still got a ways to go to beat Black Panther 2 for the second spot. Not impossible, but it's not likely going to do it's opening weekend numbers that it would need to do to finish for 2nd place for 2022 by the end of this weekend.

Avatar is 8th domestically. Top US movies this year:

- Top Gun
- Black Panther
- Doctor Strange
- Jurassic World
- Minions
- The Batman
- Thor: Love and Thunder
- Avatar 2

Yes, which is why I responded that it'll unlikely end up as second for this year. There's one weekend left for 2022 and it would need to make over 120 million domestic. Probably will make enough this weekend to overtake the bottom 4 though and end up in the top five.


I also just realized that every movie on this list is a sequel. Christ. No wonder we don't get new IP's.
 
2022-12-29 10:08:36 AM  
Pffffffffffttttttttt, they could've used that money for something better, like finally making a big budget Battletoads movie, or a big budget sequel to Master Of Disguise.
 
2022-12-29 10:09:20 AM  
I understand if people like the movie or don't like the movie.  What I don't understand is the obsession with hopeful failure of the thing and the need to post endlessly on the internet about it.  Every week the movie continues to do well and some jackass is moving the goalposts, insisting it'll still be a failure in some regard.  Just let it go.  it's just a movie.

James Cameron is living rent free in someone's head
 
2022-12-29 10:09:37 AM  

LesserEvil: kryptoknightmare: And for years everyone laughed at me when I said (despite sharing seemingly everyone on the internet's apathy towards this movie) that only a fool would bet against James Cameron.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/W8sgI3bK0Ag]


Solid video. Maybe I'll watch it tonight, with that understanding. Maybe that'll get me to take a chance on the sequel in the next month or so.
 
2022-12-29 10:09:37 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Lumbar Puncture: skyotter: I'm still wondering if it'll kick off a new 3D wave.

Unlikely. Studios tried to jump on that bandwagon before and they discovered while people were willing to watch a James Cameron event movie in 3D, that didn't translate to billion dollar box offices for movies that weren't. They still do post production 3D and release movies in a lower amount of theaters in 3D but they pretty much know the demand for it at this point and aren't going to over commit to increasing production budgets or anything just because people will see this movie.

The era of 3D TVs isn't returning.

3d in films and TV adds nothing to the experience, and is more distracting than anything. It isn't like VR/AR, which is a truly immersive experience.


I'd disagree. It depends on how well the 3D is done and what movie. When it's done well it can absolutely add to the experience, it certainly did in the first Avatar.

The original Jaws was re-released this year for a week in 3D and the conversion was spectacular and the depth of field added a bunch more tension to the scenes of Jaws getting close to someone underwater. And the end boat scenes were phenomenal. Not sure how they did it, and the movie certainly wasn't filmed with it in mind, but it was awesome.
 
2022-12-29 10:22:16 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: which is why I responded that it'll unlikely end up as second for this year. There's one weekend left for 2022


It's been far too long since I've done stats, but I assume there's some formula that could describe the shape and amplitude of the ticket sales curve that would remain meaningful and comparable over long periods of time.

'2022' is a rather arbitrary cutoff, giving a huge advantage to movies launched January 1st over those launched in late December.
 
2022-12-29 10:22:43 AM  

Mimekiller: WHO WAS THAT LOSER WHO MOCKED ME WHEN I SUGGESTED THIS MOVIE WOULD EASILY BREEZE PAST ONE BILLION, REVEAL YOURSELF


Probably commenting on some woman's weight in another thread.
 
2022-12-29 10:27:58 AM  

RowdyPants: The movie is great. Not sure where the hate is coming from.


Cameron is famously a dick, and I think it's fun when bad people fail.
 
2022-12-29 10:29:59 AM  

moothemagiccow: Why should I see this movie?


You shouldn't. Not because of the movie but just because you made up your mind already that you'll not like it
 
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