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(Atlanta Black Star)   Kevin Hart steps into the middle of a serious debate about the racial characteristics of ancient Egyptians. One reaction: "We were never black and this is the difference stop trying to steal other's culture to create fake value for yourself". Eek   (atlantablackstar.com) divider line
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2022-12-24 1:20:16 PM  
Ancient Egyptians looked very much like modern Egyptians. The DNA and archaeological evidence is incontrovertible on this.

The "Egyptians were Black Africans" people are almost, but not quite, as annoying as the "Hebrews were Black Africans" crowd. Whoever wrote that comment is spot on. Go learn some real African history like Nubia or Great Zimbabwe, and celebrate that.
 
2022-12-24 1:26:15 PM  
Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop, a Senegalese scholar, refuted efforts to continue whitewashing Egypt's melanated history in the 1980s by pointing out that mummified remains proved their hair, features, the amount of melanin found in skin samples, and other factors all prove that they were genetically Black

Not a thing.

I get what you're trying to say, but say it with science, not nonsense.
 
2022-12-24 1:26:48 PM  
Well, Kevs talks the talk but does he walk the walk like an Egyptian?
 
2022-12-24 1:56:24 PM  
That is a crazy racist backlash if ever there was one. Who except a racist gives AF one way out the other.
 
2022-12-24 2:18:23 PM  
And Cleopatra was absolutely not black.  She wasn't even Egyptian, her family were all Greek immigrants.

They were very inbred in order to keep the family line pure.
 
2022-12-24 2:25:12 PM  
Debates about Egyptians not having the Eurocentric roots has been an ongoing debate.

That's debatable.
 
2022-12-24 2:35:40 PM  
Steven Seagal:  "The Native Americans were actually Russians. I know this because I'm an ordained Navajo medicine man."
 
2022-12-24 2:55:44 PM  
When I was in Egypt, one of the tour guides I had (they are all tested and licensed by the Egyptian government) said that the Egyptians in the southern part of the country were considered  "pure Egyptian" (all his words, not mine) due to the influx if Greek and other Mediterranean countries intermingling with the population.  So :shrug:.
Also, Kevin Hart has been known to say some dumb shiat.
 
2022-12-24 2:55:58 PM  

HugeMistake: Ancient Egyptians looked very much like modern Egyptians. The DNA and archaeological evidence is incontrovertible on this.

The "Egyptians were Black Africans" people are almost, but not quite, as annoying as the "Hebrews were Black Africans" crowd. Whoever wrote that comment is spot on. Go learn some real African history like Nubia or Great Zimbabwe, and celebrate that.


The Pharaohs of the 25th dynasty would really like a word with you
 
2022-12-24 3:18:38 PM  
I eagerly await Hart and Ben Carson to coauthor a book on ancient Egyptian civilization.
 
2022-12-24 4:21:05 PM  
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2022-12-24 4:23:25 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: HugeMistake: Ancient Egyptians looked very much like modern Egyptians. The DNA and archaeological evidence is incontrovertible on this.

The "Egyptians were Black Africans" people are almost, but not quite, as annoying as the "Hebrews were Black Africans" crowd. Whoever wrote that comment is spot on. Go learn some real African history like Nubia or Great Zimbabwe, and celebrate that.

The Pharaohs of the 25th dynasty would really like a word with you


Yes, obviously. But you will note that there were a number of dynasties other than that one, which therefore does not in any way change the point. But thank you for not contributing to the conversation.
 
2022-12-24 5:32:53 PM  
I mean, it's well-documented that there was intermarriage and trade with Kush, a land that covers Ethiopia, Sudan, and some other places south of Egypt with varying levels of melanin if that is how you are defining black. It's probably better to argue that Egypt's rootstock was similar to the Berbers with heavy admixture from all around, including other parts of Africa and all around the Mediterranean. So Hart isn't wrong, but he isn't completely right. The sad fact is that for much of the 19th and 20th centuries, people when making racial categories to then judge people by have usually deliberately grouped northern Africa into a different group from southern Africa and the racist stereotypes persist, even if they are completely made up and ignore actual historic patterns along with basic logic. Egypt is part of Africa, with heavy connections to and not infrequent mingling with the rest of the lands around the Mediterranean, Red Sea, Arab Sea, and even the Indian Ocean. Modern Egyptians are the mutts of mutts, so it would be absolutely no surprise if you had a whole range of skin tones for the pharaohs.
 
2022-12-24 5:55:41 PM  
WHY DO THIS??? Ferchrissakes, you're an entertainer, and your shtick is self deprecating humor about sometimes being Dwayne Johnson's other Johnson, not "fark you, I'm Dave Chapelle."
 
2022-12-24 7:26:36 PM  
Proper response: "no, they weren't." Whining that his site should be canceled?  Y'all way oversensitive.
 
2022-12-24 7:26:52 PM  
Show. Not site.
 
2022-12-24 7:38:12 PM  

ArkPanda: And Cleopatra was absolutely not black.  She wasn't even Egyptian, her family were all Greek immigrants.

They were very inbred in order to keep the family line pure.


Cleopatra was not an ancient Egyptian. No one says she was black. They are talking about early Egypt. It's in Africa, odds are people moved north over time and those people would be the original founders.
 
2022-12-24 7:53:49 PM  
You're all racist nerds. Who gives a fuk. Stop the insanity.
 
2022-12-24 7:55:24 PM  

HugeMistake: Ancient Egyptians looked very much like modern Egyptians. The DNA and archaeological evidence is incontrovertible on this.

The "Egyptians were Black Africans" people are almost, but not quite, as annoying as the "Hebrews were Black Africans" crowd. Whoever wrote that comment is spot on. Go learn some real African history like Nubia or Great Zimbabwe, and celebrate that.


Not that Hart apparently said specifically, but western archaeologists always attributed Nubian achievements to the more fair skinned Egyptians.  It was only in this century that those wrongs are being corrected.
 
2022-12-24 7:56:24 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: Steven Seagal:  "The Native Americans were actually Russians. I know this because I'm an ordained Navajo medicine man."


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2022-12-24 7:57:14 PM  

Repsej: ArkPanda: And Cleopatra was absolutely not black.  She wasn't even Egyptian, her family were all Greek immigrants.

They were very inbred in order to keep the family line pure.

Cleopatra was not an ancient Egyptian. No one says she was black. They are talking about early Egypt. It's in Africa, odds are people moved north over time and those people would be the original founders.


I think the objection from people in places like Egypt is that painting all of Africa with one brush is wrong.

Yes, Americans tend to paint all of Africa with one brush and like to think of everybody from Africa as being pretty much the same.  But people who are actually from Africa don't always appreciate that because its not true.  Especially when you're talking about a place like Egypt, which has fairly significant differences from other parts of Africa.

And insisting that Egyptians must be Black because hey, they're in Africa after all, is such a ridiculous/American thing to say.
 
2022-12-24 7:57:50 PM  
My understanding was that ancient Egypt was pretty mixed between Middle Eastern and African, but more black the further south you went. But I guess that doesn't allow for the racial purist dick-beating.
 
2022-12-24 7:59:37 PM  

greentea1985: Egypt is part of Africa


Sinai Peninsula's Asia.
 
2022-12-24 8:04:32 PM  

devilskware: You're all racist nerds. Who gives a fuk. Stop the insanity.


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2022-12-24 8:06:12 PM  

Bslim: Exile On Beale Street: Steven Seagal:  "The Native Americans were actually Russians. I know this because I'm an ordained Navajo medicine man."

[YouTube video: Steven Seagal Is Out Of His Mind | Tom Segura Stand Up Comedy | "Completely Normal" on Netflix]


Yeah, I know. Listen to Behind the Bastards on him. It's insane.
 
2022-12-24 8:23:43 PM  
What happened was they were black. Egyptians were like Moors.
Then the Italians came in, and uh, well, they changed the whole country. They did so much farkin' with Egyptian women, huh? That they changed the whole bloodline forever. That's why black hair and dark skin with big noses became black hair and less dark skin with big noses. You know, it's absolutely amazing to me to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, that, uh, that. Egyptians still carry that Italian  gene. Now this...

No, I'm, no, I'm quoting... history. It's written. It's a fact, it's written.

Now, if that's a fact, tell me, am I lying?
 
2022-12-24 8:31:15 PM  
Kevin Hart may have found himself in the crosshairs of cancel culture again.

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2022-12-24 8:31:42 PM  

vudukungfu: What happened was they were black. Egyptians were like Moors.
Then the Italians came in, and uh, well, they changed the whole country. They did so much farkin' with Egyptian women, huh? That they changed the whole bloodline forever. That's why black hair and dark skin with big noses became black hair and less dark skin with big noses. You know, it's absolutely amazing to me to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, that, uh, that. Egyptians still carry that Italian  gene. Now this...

No, I'm, no, I'm quoting... history. It's written. It's a fact, it's written.

Now, if that's a fact, tell me, am I lying?


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2022-12-24 8:36:00 PM  
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2022-12-24 8:36:18 PM  
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2022-12-24 8:45:09 PM  

Krazikarl: I think the objection from people in places like Egypt is that painting all of Africa with one brush is wrong.


Maybe with some.

But some of those Tweets shown in thar article sound more horrified than anything else.

Example (bold emphasis is mine):  "You aren't welcome to Egypt. Egyptians aren't africans. We're the real builders of the civilization,no one else.The afrocentric is just a lie.They're liars. Egypt is our land not the africans."
 
2022-12-24 8:52:17 PM  

ArkPanda: And Cleopatra was absolutely not black.  She wasn't even Egyptian, her family were all Greek immigrants.

They were very inbred in order to keep the family line pure.


Yeah buddy. I'd interrupt her lineage know what I'm sayin'?

I wonder how many modern Egyptians might be Italian? Cleopatra was bonin' Caesar.

Ptolemy is a funny looking word.
 
2022-12-24 8:52:52 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: Steven Seagal:  "The Native Americans were actually Russians. I know this because I'm an ordained Navajo medicine man."


I'm gonna get that tattooed below my right nip.
 
2022-12-24 8:53:05 PM  
I get that what he said was dumb, but cancelling his show is dumb too. Just don't buy tickets or go if it's THAT bad. He's not spewing hate speech. He made a dumb, uninformed opinion. He's not a scholar, he makes dumb jokes. This isn't a huge deal.
 
2022-12-24 8:55:55 PM  

MurphyMurphy: [Fark user image image 425x180]


Uh they were Aziz.

AZIZ SHOWS LIGHT
 
2022-12-24 8:57:36 PM  

Bslim: Exile On Beale Street: Steven Seagal:  "The Native Americans were actually Russians. I know this because I'm an ordained Navajo medicine man."

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/isNRZJ6icwc]


I've been doing Navajo medicine for about 350 years...
 
2022-12-24 9:06:10 PM  
Santa was Egyptian.

Meh. People usually know fa about things not local.
 
2022-12-24 9:16:34 PM  

Porous Horace: Santa was Egyptian.

Meh. People usually know fa about things not local.


No, Santa is North Polish.
 
2022-12-24 9:19:42 PM  

HugeMistake: Ancient Egyptians looked very much like modern Egyptians. The DNA and archaeological evidence is incontrovertible on this.

The "Egyptians were Black Africans" people are almost, but not quite, as annoying as the "Hebrews were Black Africans" crowd. Whoever wrote that comment is spot on. Go learn some real African history like Nubia or Great Zimbabwe, and celebrate that.


Go by dick length. That usually shuts everyone up quite quickly.

On the downside, it is also directly relatable in 2 divorces within the next year, but she was a shallow biatch and you were probably tired of her anyway.
 
2022-12-24 9:23:40 PM  

The_Sponge: Porous Horace: Santa was Egyptian.

Meh. People usually know fa about things not local.

No, Santa is North Polish.


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2022-12-24 9:31:40 PM  

Northern: HugeMistake: Ancient Egyptians looked very much like modern Egyptians. The DNA and archaeological evidence is incontrovertible on this.

The "Egyptians were Black Africans" people are almost, but not quite, as annoying as the "Hebrews were Black Africans" crowd. Whoever wrote that comment is spot on. Go learn some real African history like Nubia or Great Zimbabwe, and celebrate that.

Not that Hart apparently said specifically, but western archaeologists always attributed Nubian achievements to the more fair skinned Egyptians.  It was only in this century that those wrongs are being corrected.


*raises hand* What's a Nubian?
 
2022-12-24 9:42:42 PM  

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Egyptians are less meat popsicles, more

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2022-12-24 9:48:09 PM  
Oh this is just beautiful.  Cancel culture warriors forced to defend racist Egyptians who can't take a joke.
 
2022-12-24 10:24:02 PM  
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2022-12-24 10:24:52 PM  

HugeMistake: Ancient Egyptians looked very much like modern Egyptians. The DNA and archaeological evidence is incontrovertible on this.

The "Egyptians were Black Africans" people are almost, but not quite, as annoying as the "Hebrews were Black Africans" crowd. Whoever wrote that comment is spot on. Go learn some real African history like Nubia or Great Zimbabwe, and celebrate that.


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2022-12-24 10:33:31 PM  

HugeMistake: Ancient Egyptians looked very much like modern Egyptians. The DNA and archaeological evidence is incontrovertible on this.

The "Egyptians were Black Africans" people are almost, but not quite, as annoying as the "Hebrews were Black Africans" crowd. Whoever wrote that comment is spot on. Go learn some real African history like Nubia or Great Zimbabwe, and celebrate that.


now do the Dynasties from Kush
 
2022-12-24 10:39:01 PM  
"We wuz kangs" came to mind while reading TFA, that's a joke I didn't think would pop up into my brain again.

But honestly, I think real scientist who studies this have said they were a mix due their geographical location. Egypt has been and still is a bit of a gateway area between the middle east, greater Africa, and the Mediterranean.
 
2022-12-24 10:44:55 PM  
I'd like to hear the entire joke.  Like, was that the set-up or was that the punchline?

/also Cleopatra was closer in time to us than she was to ancient Egyptians
 
2022-12-24 10:52:15 PM  

greentea1985: I mean, it's well-documented that there was intermarriage and trade with Kush, a land that covers Ethiopia, Sudan, and some other places south of Egypt with varying levels of melanin if that is how you are defining black. It's probably better to argue that Egypt's rootstock was similar to the Berbers with heavy admixture from all around, including other parts of Africa and all around the Mediterranean. So Hart isn't wrong, but he isn't completely right.


For me the point is (without RTFA, whitesplaining to all you black folk)... if you are an American who identifies as 'black', claiming that means 'ancient Egyptian' is probably stupid.  But given how Africans came to the US and the amount of intermixing since, tracing back to any one region of Africa is probably a fool's game anyway unless your parents can show you an African nation on their birth certificate.

It's nice to have some sense of ancient cultural identity, though.  I'm hardly fit for King Arthur's court but I identify as 'English' for that purpose.  James Earl Jones once called exploring your African roots, 'a sentimental journey, nothing more' and I think he was right on with that one.  Anything more than a couple of generations back is just a story, the now is far more relevant.
 
2022-12-24 10:57:24 PM  
I can't imagine my life being so bereft or purpose and meaning that I would ever give a flying fark what Kevin Hart says about anything.
 
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