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Farking Clown Shoes [TotalFark]
2022-12-21 11:55:49 AM  
In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.
 
GardenWeasel [TotalFark]
2022-12-21 12:03:53 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.


Why just Microsoft hate? They are simply catching up to Apple (Apple TV) and Google (YouTube TV).
 
ajgeek [TotalFark]
2022-12-21 12:23:08 PM  
I'll watch it, but Richard Ayoade and Chris O'Dowd need to spiritually reprise their roles.

And make it in the WWDITS universe, so we can get Matt Berry involved too.
 
OccamsWhiskers
2022-12-21 12:30:52 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.


If their Activision deal gets successfully blocked, I would think that will be strong discouragement against trying to acquire a big player in an even more concentrated entertainment market.
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-21 12:30:57 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.



... right after Apple and Google are forced to relinquish their streaming apps.
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-21 12:31:25 PM  

OccamsWhiskers: Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.

If their Activision deal gets successfully blocked, I would think that will be strong discouragement against trying to acquire a big player in an even more concentrated entertainment market.


MS already had games.

I don't think they have a real streaming service.
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2022-12-21 12:36:56 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.


Why?  They're not competitors.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-21 12:45:10 PM  
If they have the $$$ to buildout enough data centers so that you always get a nice tight ping to the server hosting streaming games this could work out nicely for subscribers. If they don't this will end up another Stadia, minus the refunds when it shuts down.
 
Lord Bear
2022-12-21 12:46:49 PM  
BSOD jokes are kind of old.  I've had about 5 since installing win 10 over seven years ago.  All of them were due to hardware failures (ram and video).
 
mcreadyblue
2022-12-21 12:47:08 PM  

fragMasterFlash: If they have the $$$ to buildout enough data centers so that you always get a nice tight ping to the server hosting streaming games this could work out nicely for subscribers. If they don't this will end up another Stadia, minus the refunds when it shuts down.


So when they buy Netflix wouldn't they get their network infrastructure?
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-21 12:50:21 PM  

Lord Bear: BSOD jokes are kind of old.  I've had about 5 since installing win 10 over seven years ago.  All of them were due to hardware failures (ram and video).


Don't confuse subby with facts while he's edge-lording.
 
Driedsponge [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-21 12:56:27 PM  

fragMasterFlash: If they have the $$$ to buildout enough data centers so that you always get a nice tight ping to the server hosting streaming games this could work out nicely for subscribers. If they don't this will end up another Stadia, minus the refunds when it shuts down.


Netflix already has a substantial hardware presence in local datacenters all over the planet.  They supply internet providers with pre-built server nodes to significantly reduce network congestion and load. None of that would have to change, and would potentially let MS use those nodes for other services as well.

Also, from all the reviews I've seen, Stadia didn't die because of network issues.  Most people who used it were absolutely blown away with how responsive it was.  By all accounts, Stadia was one of the better cloud-gaming services available.  Stadia died because Google is where all good ideas go to die and potentially not enough users or retention to justify the obscene costs of doing business (rumors are that Google paid devs a King's Ransom in order to build out titles for the system).
 
masdog
2022-12-21 1:00:25 PM  
If this happened, and I say if because there would be a lot of anti-trust concerns, then it would be a HUGE FU to AWS.  Netflix is one of AWS's largest customers, and a Microsoft acquisition would result in the streaming platform migrating to Azure.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-21 1:01:01 PM  

mcreadyblue: fragMasterFlash: If they have the $$$ to buildout enough data centers so that you always get a nice tight ping to the server hosting streaming games this could work out nicely for subscribers. If they don't this will end up another Stadia, minus the refunds when it shuts down.

So when they buy Netflix wouldn't they get their network infrastructure?


The Netflix model is to give each ISP caching servers at each of their local hubs with enough storage that you rarely have to stream a show or movie from some far away server. I think they would need to due the same thing for gaming, only the servers would be a lot more power hungry with all of the GPUs and good-enough-for-gaming CPUs. Enticing ISPs to host that gear could be pretty expensive, so who knows if it will happen or not.
 
tobcc
2022-12-21 1:04:25 PM  
Netflix backend is AWS.  Im sure M$ has stuff running in AWS cloud, but im sure the migration to Azure will be a huge amount of work.
 
masdog
2022-12-21 1:14:33 PM  

mcreadyblue: So when they buy Netflix wouldn't they get their network infrastructure?


Netflix really doesn't have a network infrastructure or data center footprint.  The core services are all hosted in AWS, and they built their own Content Delivery System by working with ISPs to place servers in their network core.

There really isn't a physical footprint to acquire, and whatever Netflix does have isn't as good as what Microsoft already has.

fragMasterFlash: I think they would need to due the same thing for gaming, only the servers would be a lot more power hungry with all of the GPUs and good-enough-for-gaming CPUs. Enticing ISPs to host that gear could be pretty expensive, so who knows if it will happen or not.


IIRC, the Netflix caching boxes are fairly small.  A couple of a rack units at most.  Game streaming would be another matter entirely - you'd need a lot more datacenter footprint to do it justice.  It also brings other architectural considerations - Windows licensing for the machines running the remote gaming sessions, GPU compatibility since they would need datacenter grade GPUs that typically aren't optimized for gaming performance (you can play games on a datacenter card...I've done it on an NVIDIA P4...but the drivers are from the Quadro branch of professional cards).

tobcc: Netflix backend is AWS.  Im sure M$ has stuff running in AWS cloud, but im sure the migration to Azure will be a huge amount of work.


Probably not as much as you think.  It wouldn't be a small effort, but the biggest challenges would be migrating out of whatever Amazon-native services.  Otherwise, I think most large scales now run in Kubernetes and could easily be moved between clouds.
 
Rapmaster2000
2022-12-21 1:22:03 PM  
I read that as Business Services Over DOCSIS.
 
able
2022-12-21 1:29:03 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.


Sony would have a fit. This would make MS a competitor it practically all of there business lines.
That being said it doesn't seem that MS is interested in the production business after spinning off the news network they had
 
DesertCoyote [OhFark]
2022-12-21 1:30:31 PM  

GardenWeasel: Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.

Why just Microsoft hate? They are simply catching up to Apple (Apple TV) and Google (YouTube TV).


Because we know there will be more buffering once Netflix is running off of Azure servers.
 
Muta
2022-12-21 1:38:24 PM  

SpectroBoy: Lord Bear: BSOD jokes are kind of old.  I've had about 5 since installing win 10 over seven years ago.  All of them were due to hardware failures (ram and video).

Don't confuse subby with facts while he's edge-lording.


He could have used M$.
 
yet_another_wumpus
2022-12-21 1:51:21 PM  

GardenWeasel: Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.

Why just Microsoft hate? They are simply catching up to Apple (Apple TV) and Google (YouTube TV).


While MS got virtually all punishment from their monopoly (abuse) conviction waived "the judge was judgemental (after hearing all the evidence), no fair!", it didn't remove the fact that they are legally established as a monopoly and are under restrictions that Apple isn't.

But without his Billness at the throne, there just isn't as much reason to fear Microsoft anymore.
 
SumoJeb [OhFark]
2022-12-21 2:00:31 PM  
farking MS
took me over a day to figure out how the fark to buy office instead of rent it
 
BolloxReader [OhFark]
2022-12-21 2:02:08 PM  

NeoCortex42: Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.

Why?  They're not competitors.


Vertical monopolies are supposed to be bad too.
 
Driedsponge [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-21 2:10:52 PM  

masdog: IIRC, the Netflix caching boxes are fairly small.  A couple of a rack units at most.  Game streaming would be another matter entirely - you'd need a lot more datacenter footprint to do it justice.  It also brings other architectural considerations - Windows licensing for the machines running the remote gaming sessions, GPU compatibility since they would need datacenter grade GPUs that typically aren't optimized for gaming performance (you can play games on a datacenter card...I've done it on an NVIDIA P4...but the drivers are from the Quadro branch of professional cards).


I could have sworn a few months back one of the tech youtube channels got their hands on an actual Netflix OpenConnect server and did a teardown, but Netflix must have gotten it yanked, because I cannot find it anymore.

Anyway, if anyone's interested:
https://www.techhive.com/article/602400/how-netflix-streams-movies-to-your-tv.html
 
SumoJeb [OhFark]
2022-12-21 2:17:01 PM  

Driedsponge: masdog: IIRC, the Netflix caching boxes are fairly small.  A couple of a rack units at most.  Game streaming would be another matter entirely - you'd need a lot more datacenter footprint to do it justice.  It also brings other architectural considerations - Windows licensing for the machines running the remote gaming sessions, GPU compatibility since they would need datacenter grade GPUs that typically aren't optimized for gaming performance (you can play games on a datacenter card...I've done it on an NVIDIA P4...but the drivers are from the Quadro branch of professional cards).

I could have sworn a few months back one of the tech youtube channels got their hands on an actual Netflix OpenConnect server and did a teardown, but Netflix must have gotten it yanked, because I cannot find it anymore.

Anyway, if anyone's interested:
https://www.techhive.com/article/602400/how-netflix-streams-movies-to-your-tv.html


I think I saw that vid, too. It was a box that small ISPs would install to guarantee that Netflix vids would be streamed at the quality required by Netflix.
 
buravirgil
2022-12-21 2:33:05 PM  

Muta: SpectroBoy: Lord Bear: BSOD jokes are kind of old.  I've had about 5 since installing win 10 over seven years ago.  All of them were due to hardware failures (ram and video).

Don't confuse subby with facts while he's edge-lording.

He could have used M$.


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SMB2811
2022-12-21 2:35:14 PM  

Driedsponge: masdog: IIRC, the Netflix caching boxes are fairly small.  A couple of a rack units at most.  Game streaming would be another matter entirely - you'd need a lot more datacenter footprint to do it justice.  It also brings other architectural considerations - Windows licensing for the machines running the remote gaming sessions, GPU compatibility since they would need datacenter grade GPUs that typically aren't optimized for gaming performance (you can play games on a datacenter card...I've done it on an NVIDIA P4...but the drivers are from the Quadro branch of professional cards).

I could have sworn a few months back one of the tech youtube channels got their hands on an actual Netflix OpenConnect server and did a teardown, but Netflix must have gotten it yanked, because I cannot find it anymore.

Anyway, if anyone's interested:
https://www.techhive.com/article/602400/how-netflix-streams-movies-to-your-tv.html


It was a redditor https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/ydollm/so_i_got_a_netflix_cache_server/ and it looks like they deleted it. You can read the thread to get some basic idea of what it was but the basically it was nothing super special, a box of off the shelf gear with a hell of a lot of off the shelf storage. Anything special was done at the application level with some customization to FreeBSD.

And Netflix isn't super secret about what these things are https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/appliances/ The only extra the redditor posted would be some specific part numbers.
 
chitownmike
2022-12-21 2:56:09 PM  

SumoJeb: farking MS
took me over a day to figure out how the fark to buy office instead of rent it


That sounds more like a you problem
 
thrasherrr
2022-12-21 3:24:37 PM  
Netflix pays Microsoft an absolutely enormous royalty for PlayReady servers and keys.  That's an instant savings if Microsoft were to buy them.
 
Boomstickz
2022-12-21 4:27:23 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: GardenWeasel: Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.

Why just Microsoft hate? They are simply catching up to Apple (Apple TV) and Google (YouTube TV).

While MS got virtually all punishment from their monopoly (abuse) conviction waived "the judge was judgemental (after hearing all the evidence), no fair!", it didn't remove the fact that they are legally established as a monopoly and are under restrictions that Apple isn't.

But without his Billness at the throne, there just isn't as much reason to fear Microsoft anymore.


Here was me thinking of a Avatar/slasher crossover TV series
 
Ganon D. Mire
2022-12-21 5:18:01 PM  
maybe by 2024
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a Netflix exclusive
 
jake3988 [OhFark]
2022-12-21 5:21:31 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: In a just world, this (and any other potential MS acquistion) would be denied on antitrust grounds.

But here we are.


A) This isn't happening in a million freaking years.  Apparently every single year some idiot has a hottake that Netflix is going to be gobbled up by another company.  Although the idiots in the past couple months who think Disney is going to be bought be another company are even more hilarious.

B) In what universe would that be antitrust?  WTF does everyone on Fark just call everything antitrust?  It's like a freaking tic at this point.
 
hej
2022-12-21 5:23:44 PM  
Every time I see Slashdot, I am amazed that Slashdot is still around.
 
buravirgil
2022-12-21 6:15:50 PM  

hej: Every time I see Slashdot, I am amazed that Slashdot is still around.


Zombo, Fark. /. Who else?
 
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