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feckingmorons [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 2:52:33 PM  
Ketamine is not a tranquilizer, it is an anesthetic.  It always causes changes in mentation and often causes hallucinations and other dissociative behavior, it is an amnesic     I have a very strong opinion that it is not a pre-hospital EMS drug.

Every ALS unit in the country has Valium.  Use that.
 
RodneyToady [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 4:02:56 PM  
Jordan v New London ... truer every day.
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-20 4:09:46 PM  
In our sleepy little town the head pig went on a power trip and ended up killing a guy.

There was a report of a body in somebody's shed. Someone saw a light on, looked in the window, and saw a body hanging from a noose.  The police declared it a Halloween decoration .  The EMTs on scene tried to go in anyway. "Just let us check! It looks real to us!". This, of course, offended the head pig's power trip and he refused. He and his co-pig physically stopped the EMTs from going in.

Eventually the home owner came home and opened the shed. Then she screamed because it was her husband who had hung himself. The EMTs ran in and did there best. There were "residual signs of life" (I have no idea precisely what they saw. I think a very faint pulse and shallow breathing) but they were unable to improve his condition and he died in the ambulance.

Eventually the cop was fired and replaced. I know the family sued but I am not sure if it has settled yet.

Even in a relatively peaceful little town a pig on a power trip can end your life.
 
AAAAGGGGHHHH
2022-12-20 4:37:12 PM  
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iheartscotch
2022-12-20 4:40:16 PM  

feckingmorons: Ketamine is not a tranquilizer, it is an anesthetic.  It always causes changes in mentation and often causes hallucinations and other dissociative behavior, it is an amnesic     I have a very strong opinion that it is not a pre-hospital EMS drug.

Every ALS unit in the country has Valium.  Use that.


I had minor surgery when I was 18 and they gave me Valium before hand....

BEST DAY EVER! 12 out of 10, would recommend.
 
Serious Black
2022-12-20 4:41:00 PM  
Some cops in America like killing people. Most other cops don't care enough to turn on their compatriots who like killing people. The few who do actually care get railroaded out of the force, thrown in jail, or outright killed themselves for betraying their people.
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut [BareFark]
2022-12-20 4:41:17 PM  
And if he had been tweaked as hell as they are trying to claim they figured, slamming him with ketamine probably would have killed him too.  Farking cover story is even nonsense
 
davynelson
2022-12-20 4:42:39 PM  
wow having a heart attack and how lucky are you the cops walk by just then?

/he's on drugs
//give him moar
 
WGJ [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 4:44:11 PM  

SpectroBoy: In our sleepy little town the head pig went on a power trip and ended up killing a guy.

There was a report of a body in somebody's shed. Someone saw a light on, looked in the window, and saw a body hanging from a noose.  The police declared it a Halloween decoration .  The EMTs on scene tried to go in anyway. "Just let us check! It looks real to us!". This, of course, offended the head pig's power trip and he refused. He and his co-pig physically stopped the EMTs from going in.

Eventually the home owner came home and opened the shed. Then she screamed because it was her husband who had hung himself. The EMTs ran in and did there best. There were "residual signs of life" (I have no idea precisely what they saw. I think a very faint pulse and shallow breathing) but they were unable to improve his condition and he died in the ambulance.

Eventually the cop was fired and replaced. I know the family sued but I am not sure if it has settled yet.

Even in a relatively peaceful little town a pig on a power trip can end your life.


Was it even during the Halloween season?
 
anuran
2022-12-20 4:44:47 PM  

Serious Black: Some cops in America like killing people. Most other cops don't care enough to turn on their compatriots who like killing people. The few who do actually care get railroaded out of the force, thrown in jail, or outright killed themselves for betraying their people.

FTFY
 
firefly212
2022-12-20 4:48:14 PM  
I mean, cops murder citizens. It's what they do, and they do it routinely. I genuinely don't understand how my position of defunding the people who routinely murder random citizens is somehow considered "extreme."

Whatever your problem is, calling the cops just means you're gonna have that problem, plus the problem of murderous goons with badges, and now you've got two problems to solve.
 
Nintenfreak [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 4:51:24 PM  
Police have a monopoly on violence.
 
Russ1642
2022-12-20 4:51:48 PM  
The cops don't want someone dying in their custody so it's especially stupid of them to take a clearly dying man to their station.
 
SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 4:52:04 PM  
So why are we supposed to believe that methamphetamine was in his system when they gave us a line of b******* about public intoxication? He was arrested for that and had no alcohol in his system whatsoever.

I think little Brandon and little Ethan have a chip on their shoulder against society from being picked on back in grade school.
 
Serious Black
2022-12-20 4:52:57 PM  

anuran: Serious Black: Some cops in America like killing people. Most other cops don't care enough to turn on their compatriots who like killing people. The few who do actually care get railroaded out of the force, thrown in jail, or outright killed themselves for betraying their people.
FTFY


You think ALL cops like killing people? Cause that's what you're suggesting by getting rid of my word "some" and not replacing it with another. The evidence at hand suggests way too many cops like killing people AND that some probably smaller proportion of cops genuinely do not.
 
LadySusan [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 4:53:36 PM  

firefly212: I mean, cops murder citizens. It's what they do, and they do it routinely. I genuinely don't understand how my position of defunding the people who routinely murder random citizens is somehow considered "extreme."

Whatever your problem is, calling the cops just means you're gonna have that problem, plus the problem of murderous goons with badges, and now you've got two problems to solve.


And we sometimes need what in Andy Griffith world means calling the cops. On my way home today I went around a guy whose car had broken down in a bad place. He was fine, said it couldn't be pushed, and that help was on the way. It was in a bad place and a cop (or someone with cones) would have been really helpful. I decided not to call because I didn't want to be responsible for the guys murder by cop. Hopefully no one gets in a fender bender over it that could have been prevented if cops weren't killing machines.
 
Kalyco Jack
2022-12-20 4:54:06 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: And if he had been tweaked as hell as they are trying to claim they figured, slamming him with ketamine probably would have killed him too.  Farking cover story is even nonsense


Yup! "Hey this guys on t, why should we do?

"Throw some special K on top of it; he might calm down, his heart might explode, I don't know, I've only ever seen someone do it in a nightclub shiatter.
 
fat_free [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 4:54:51 PM  
Seriously, unless you're bleeding out, call an uber to take you to the ER and not 911. They'll come quicker and won't cost $3K.
 
Smelly Pirate Hooker
2022-12-20 4:55:30 PM  
A white guy died, so they MIGHT get in trouble for this one.
 
azwethnkweiz
2022-12-20 4:56:16 PM  

Serious Black: Some cops in America like killing people. Most other cops don't care enough to turn on their compatriots who like killing people. The few who do actually care get railroaded out of the force, thrown in jail, or outright killed themselves for betraying their people.


It's not that they like killing, it's that they're scared little pussies and that's what they do when scary things happen.
 
Rucker10
2022-12-20 4:56:26 PM  
Yeah but my grandpa said when he was a kid cops let them drive home drunk and only hassled black people so you know, we still gotta consume their balls like it's prime time great British baking show.
 
Turbo Cojones
2022-12-20 4:58:09 PM  

iheartscotch: feckingmorons: Ketamine is not a tranquilizer, it is an anesthetic.  It always causes changes in mentation and often causes hallucinations and other dissociative behavior, it is an amnesic     I have a very strong opinion that it is not a pre-hospital EMS drug.

Every ALS unit in the country has Valium.  Use that.

I had minor surgery when I was 18 and they gave me Valium before hand....

BEST DAY EVER! 12 out of 10, would recommend.


My only  experience with it was before my vasectomy. Awesome high.
 
zeroflight222
2022-12-20 4:59:16 PM  
JFC!  Even aside from the egregious actions (and lack of) on the part of the cops, when a rando called 911 why didn't the operator send EMS too?
 
Serious Black
2022-12-20 5:00:37 PM  

azwethnkweiz: Serious Black: Some cops in America like killing people. Most other cops don't care enough to turn on their compatriots who like killing people. The few who do actually care get railroaded out of the force, thrown in jail, or outright killed themselves for betraying their people.

It's not that they like killing, it's that they're scared little pussies and that's what they do when scary things happen.


Counterpoint: Philip Brailsford seemed downright giddy when he killed Daniel Shaver. I'd say "murdered," but he was incomprehensibly acquitted of even manslaughter charges.
 
Smurfnazi420
2022-12-20 5:02:08 PM  
He's white.
I'm so confused.
 
UltimaCS
2022-12-20 5:04:04 PM  

Smurfnazi420: He's white.
I'm so confused.


That just means he wasn't "resisting arrest" and earned a few self-inflicted nightstick wounds.
 
Gaddiel
2022-12-20 5:04:20 PM  

feckingmorons: Ketamine is not a tranquilizer, it is an anesthetic.  It always causes changes in mentation and often causes hallucinations and other dissociative behavior, it is an amnesic     I have a very strong opinion that it is not a pre-hospital EMS drug.

Every ALS unit in the country has Valium.  Use that.


There has been extensive abuse of forced Ketamine injections by paramedics at the order of police officers. It's lead to a lot of death and lawsuits.

Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
 
azwethnkweiz
2022-12-20 5:07:56 PM  

Smurfnazi420: He's white.
I'm so confused.


The media started this narrative about how cops are only shiatty towards blacks but we all know they're shiatty to everybody who's not in the "brotherhood" and doesn't donate to the "brotherhood".  The powers that be don't want a citizens vs police scenario so they're trying to convince you that only certain citizens have these issues.
 
Badafuco [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-20 5:08:54 PM  
I f*cking hate cops. DIAF pigs. All of you.

They are worthless.
 
anuran
2022-12-20 5:10:49 PM  

Serious Black: anuran: Serious Black: Some cops in America like killing people. Most other cops don't care enough to turn on their compatriots who like killing people. The few who do actually care get railroaded out of the force, thrown in jail, or outright killed themselves for betraying their people.
FTFY

You think ALL cops like killing people? Cause that's what you're suggesting by getting rid of my word "some" and not replacing it with another. The evidence at hand suggests way too many cops like killing people AND that some probably smaller proportion of cops genuinely do not.


It is part of cop culture. They are warriors. We are the enemy. They actively and routinely subvert justice in order to ensure that cops who kill suffer no consequences.

So yes. Except for the very, very few who have the moral courage to resist cops as a class like to kill. And the few don't last long.
 
Paul Baumer
2022-12-20 5:16:38 PM  
And it's Alabama, where this won't even dent the cop fetishization amongst the indigenous cracker ass cracker population.

/Lived in Alabama
//Family is from Alabama
///Still a massively farked up joint
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-20 5:18:30 PM  

WGJ: SpectroBoy: In our sleepy little town the head pig went on a power trip and ended up killing a guy.

There was a report of a body in somebody's shed. Someone saw a light on, looked in the window, and saw a body hanging from a noose.  The police declared it a Halloween decoration .  The EMTs on scene tried to go in anyway. "Just let us check! It looks real to us!". This, of course, offended the head pig's power trip and he refused. He and his co-pig physically stopped the EMTs from going in.

Eventually the home owner came home and opened the shed. Then she screamed because it was her husband who had hung himself. The EMTs ran in and did there best. There were "residual signs of life" (I have no idea precisely what they saw. I think a very faint pulse and shallow breathing) but they were unable to improve his condition and he died in the ambulance.

Eventually the cop was fired and replaced. I know the family sued but I am not sure if it has settled yet.

Even in a relatively peaceful little town a pig on a power trip can end your life.

Was it even during the Halloween season?


I think it was autumn, but I'm not sure how close to Halloween.
 
vilesithknight
2022-12-20 5:18:36 PM  
They only time Ive really interacted with the pigs is when I was stopped at the light & I saw a cop fail to slow down enough and the rear ended someone who was stopped. I think the pig was thinking about running the light & changed their mind too late. Anyway I saw the whole thing so remembering drivers ed I got out & offered to be a witness. The pig was already irate and literally slobbering. He started screaming at me, "Get the F out of here before we take you to jail for interrupting police business!" It momentarily frightened me so I left. As I was driving away I looked back & they pulled the other driver who was not at fault out, and had him pressed against the car & were patting him down! I dont know what the end result was, but I have a feeling the innocent driver had a bad time..,
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-20 5:19:27 PM  

Serious Black: anuran: Serious Black: Some cops in America like killing people. Most other cops don't care enough to turn on their compatriots who like killing people. The few who do actually care get railroaded out of the force, thrown in jail, or outright killed themselves for betraying their people.
FTFY

You think ALL cops like killing people? Cause that's what you're suggesting by getting rid of my word "some" and not replacing it with another. The evidence at hand suggests way too many cops like killing people AND that some probably smaller proportion of cops genuinely do not.



If you got one cop that likes killing people and 5 cops who do nothing to stop him you have 6 cops who are OK with killing people.
 
Godscrack
2022-12-20 5:23:38 PM  
So cops are doctors now? Sounds like they thought it was Narcan.
 
King Something [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 5:28:30 PM  

firefly212: I mean, cops murder citizens. It's what they do, and they do it routinely. I genuinely don't understand how my position of defunding the people who routinely murder random citizens is somehow considered "extreme."

Whatever your problem is, calling the cops just means you're gonna have that problem, plus the problem of murderous goons with badges, and now you've got two problems to solve.


And part of the problem is that the cops share their emergency number with firefighters and paramedics. People who have fire or medical problems which need immediate solving cannot call for help without also calling the cops.

And when the cops do show up and make an already very bad situation exponentially worse, and there's eventually a lawsuit on the matter, there will always be enough minutiae in the situation for Qualified Immunity™ to kick in so that the plaintiffs will get a settlement of their own tax dollars, while the cops don't pay out so much as one cent.

'Murica.
 
Usernate
2022-12-20 5:29:15 PM  
Yeah they killed him. They did it for kicks. They'll keep their jobs and do it again. fark anyone who isn't them. They'll do you in too if you give them shiat about it.
 
DoganSquirrelSlayer
2022-12-20 5:34:13 PM  
7:09 pm: Instead of sending emergency responders, the 911 dispatcher sent the officers to talk to Thompson
7:30 pm: took him to the county jail to leave him in the "drunk tank"
9:13 pm: Geneva Rescue Squad arrived around  p.m. and gave Thompson a dose of a tranquilizer, ketamine
9:50 pm: taken to the emergency room and admitted

Every single gap in time there is a failure of humanity by all of the people involved.
 
hardinparamedic [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-20 5:38:35 PM  
This article is missing some major things.

1: why was a patient who was clearly stimulant intoxicated and complaining of chest pain not immediately taken to a hospital,

Who gave him ketamine? Speaking as a paramedic - sedative/hypnotics aren't generally given by jail staff as they require specialized monitoring. If they were suspecting a methamphetamine induced cardiac issue, ketamine and benzodiazepines are life saving (ketamine if posing a risk to the crew or hospital staff, benzodiazepines in general) as they blunt the catacholamine surge from stimulants like cocaine and methamphetamine.
 
hardinparamedic [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-20 5:41:35 PM  

DoganSquirrelSlayer: 7:09 pm: Instead of sending emergency responders, the 911 dispatcher sent the officers to talk to Thompson
7:30 pm: took him to the county jail to leave him in the "drunk tank"
9:13 pm: Geneva Rescue Squad arrived around  p.m. and gave Thompson a dose of a tranquilizer, ketamine
9:50 pm: taken to the emergency room and admitted

Every single gap in time there is a failure of humanity by all of the people involved.


it's not unusual for a medic unit to spend extended time on scene for situations like this. Ketamine, in addition, is not being used as a tranquilizer, but as an anesthetic/sedative to blunt catecholamine response and reduce metabolic demand and combativeness.

The fact they spent two hours wasting time in a drunk tank is appalling.
 
firefly212
2022-12-20 5:42:50 PM  

Serious Black: anuran: Serious Black: Some cops in America like killing people. Most other cops don't care enough to turn on their compatriots who like killing people. The few who do actually care get railroaded out of the force, thrown in jail, or outright killed themselves for betraying their people.
FTFY

You think ALL cops like killing people? Cause that's what you're suggesting by getting rid of my word "some" and not replacing it with another. The evidence at hand suggests way too many cops like killing people AND that some probably smaller proportion of cops genuinely do not.


I think all cops don't mind it enough to stop the cops who do it. Lets say only 3 cops on a force of 100 get their jollies by killing random citizens... what am I to make of the 97 who are so indifferent to the murders their co-workers are committing that they won't stop them, testify against them, or do anything to stop these serial killers with badges from striking their next victims. You're asking me to figure out how many of them like it v. how many of them simply don't mind it, and tbh, I think the problem here is that none or damned near none of them are vehemently against it.
 
DoganSquirrelSlayer
2022-12-20 5:43:57 PM  

hardinparamedic: it's not unusual for a medic unit to spend extended time on scene for situations like this. Ketamine, in addition, is not being used as a tranquilizer, but as an anesthetic/sedative to blunt catecholamine response and reduce metabolic demand and combativeness.


Also from TFA originally clipped for minimal timeline:
to calm him down, according to the complaint

Soooooo, thinking that was incidental.
 
firefly212
2022-12-20 5:45:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: This article is missing some major things.

1: why was a patient who was clearly stimulant intoxicated and complaining of chest pain not immediately taken to a hospital,

Who gave him ketamine? Speaking as a paramedic - sedative/hypnotics aren't generally given by jail staff as they require specialized monitoring. If they were suspecting a methamphetamine induced cardiac issue, ketamine and benzodiazepines are life saving (ketamine if posing a risk to the crew or hospital staff, benzodiazepines in general) as they blunt the catacholamine surge from stimulants like cocaine and methamphetamine.


Let's also break into the why a little more... if they thought he was having a methamphetamine induced cardiac issue such that emergency intervention was needed (ketamine injection) why wasn't an ambulance summoned at least at the time of the injection, when the officers had plainly determined there was an emergent medical condition?
 
hardinparamedic [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-20 5:47:58 PM  

feckingmorons: Ketamine is not a tranquilizer, it is an anesthetic.  It always causes changes in mentation and often causes hallucinations and other dissociative behavior, it is an amnesic     I have a very strong opinion that it is not a pre-hospital EMS drug.

Every ALS unit in the country has Valium.  Use that.


Valium is NOT carried by "every als ambulance in the United States", it's rarely carried anymore due to its time of onset and cost. Most ambulances carry either Ativan or versed - neither of which are appropriate for a crashing or profusely combative patient.

In addition, ketamine is utilized as part of pain management, sedation, and anesthesia during airway management and extrication from severe traumatic injuries. It's superior to nearly every other drug except for in severe heart failure due to its hemodynamic effects and, to a lesser amount, respiratory drive preserving qualities

In a sympathomimmetic toxidrome and crisis, ketamine is absolutely appropriate with adequate training and respiratory management.

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hardinparamedic [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-20 5:49:06 PM  

firefly212: hardinparamedic: This article is missing some major things.

1: why was a patient who was clearly stimulant intoxicated and complaining of chest pain not immediately taken to a hospital,

Who gave him ketamine? Speaking as a paramedic - sedative/hypnotics aren't generally given by jail staff as they require specialized monitoring. If they were suspecting a methamphetamine induced cardiac issue, ketamine and benzodiazepines are life saving (ketamine if posing a risk to the crew or hospital staff, benzodiazepines in general) as they blunt the catacholamine surge from stimulants like cocaine and methamphetamine.

Let's also break into the why a little more... if they thought he was having a methamphetamine induced cardiac issue such that emergency intervention was needed (ketamine injection) why wasn't an ambulance summoned at least at the time of the injection, when the officers had plainly determined there was an emergent medical condition?


having worked EMS in alabama, it's common for rescue squads down there to run ambulances.
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-20 5:55:09 PM  
I guess if the hospitals are full of triple-threat victims jail should be good enough for cardiac arrest patients. Maybe you should have had a salad or two, Tons O'Fun?
 
kkinnison [OhFark]
2022-12-20 5:57:00 PM  
I like the part where the officers injected him with drugs without his consent while he was restrained

Might as well admit you were trying to kill him and cover it up by giving him drugs as a reason for his death
 
Izo [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 5:59:06 PM  

Gaddiel: feckingmorons: Ketamine is not a tranquilizer, it is an anesthetic.  It always causes changes in mentation and often causes hallucinations and other dissociative behavior, it is an amnesic     I have a very strong opinion that it is not a pre-hospital EMS drug.

Every ALS unit in the country has Valium.  Use that.

There has been extensive abuse of forced Ketamine injections by paramedics at the order of police officers. It's lead to a lot of death and lawsuits.

Example 1
Example 2
Example 3


Paramedics take med orders from cops?
 
Somaticasual [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 6:04:58 PM  
That awkward moment when a taser actually helps someone...
 
Creepy Lurker Guy [TotalFark]
2022-12-20 6:08:30 PM  
Eight years ago, I had a heart-attack.  I called 911.  They sent an ambulance.  No cops involved.   I'm still alive.

The ambulance ride was the best part, blowing through red-lights and all.

My health insurance paid for everything and a bit more.  I think I profited about $300.
 
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