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(Gothamist)   MTA project that was launched in the 60s, stopped in the 70s, relaunched in the 90s, re-relaunched in 2001 with completion promised for 2011 but delayed over a decade, is finally ready to...hang on, there's been another delay   (gothamist.com) divider line
    More: Fail, Long Island Rail Road, full launch of the MTA, New York City, New Yorkers, new station, New York City Subway, Pennsylvania Station, Metro-North Railroad  
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2877 clicks; posted to Main » on 20 Dec 2022 at 1:05 AM (13 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-12-19 7:47:12 PM  
The financial crisis of the 70's would have been an excellent time for the federal government to fund this and other projects like it throughout the nation. People could have used the jobs that funding would have provided.
 
2022-12-20 1:20:58 AM  
Still cheaper to build than a high school
 
2022-12-20 1:24:44 AM  
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2022-12-20 1:27:53 AM  
Mismanagement and construction delays...

There's a plot twist.
 
2022-12-20 1:30:34 AM  
But the full East Side Access service - which will operate up to 24 trains per hour to and from the new station - won't open until at least late January, LIRR and Metro-North president Cathy Rinaldi said.

For something in the works for over fifty years, I don't think I month or two is a big deal.
 
2022-12-20 1:30:34 AM  
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2022-12-20 1:45:16 AM  

Bruscar: The financial crisis of the 70's would have been an excellent time for the federal government to fund this and other projects like it throughout the nation. People could have used the jobs that funding would have provided.


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2022-12-20 1:46:24 AM  
"So, I got a question.  Why the hell would anyone build a Vault out of a subway station?  This place is like the opposite of air-tight."

"Because they weren't planning to use it, you moron. We used to pull this kind of con all the time back before the war.  Get a bunch of union boys to work some construction job that would go nowhere.  Keep everyone on payroll."
 
2022-12-20 1:48:50 AM  
Eh, big deal. It's been delayed another month.
 
2022-12-20 2:28:53 AM  
Public rail project are crazy out of control  financially in the US.   Multiple multiple times the cost of even bigger growth projects in the UK and France.   There must be some skimming on level that would make a mafia so blush
 
2022-12-20 2:30:46 AM  
Before I clicked, I thought this was going to be about the Second Avenue Subway, originally proposed in 1920, started in 1972, and restarted in 2007...
 
2022-12-20 5:18:26 AM  
Every decade it got delayed added new costs. First it's health and safety. Then it's property rights. Then it's union wages. Okay, maybe not in that order.

Everyone marvels at how China "get things done" but it's because they don't have any of those.
 
2022-12-20 6:45:25 AM  

NephilimNexus: "Because they weren't planning to use it, you moron. We used to pull this kind of con all the time back before the war.  Get a bunch of union boys to work some construction job that would go nowhere.  Keep everyone on payroll."

The US Space Program has entered the chat.

 
2022-12-20 7:30:18 AM  

maudibjr: Public rail project are crazy out of control  financially in the US.   Multiple multiple times the cost of even bigger growth projects in the UK and France.   There must be some skimming on level that would make a mafia so blush


iat's required permits, inspections, and consultants required to confirm the plans and supervise the project.  Public building programs cost around 500% of those in the EU or elsewhere.  Similar to our absurd healthcare system which is only 3x as expensive for consumers as any other country on earth.
 
2022-12-20 7:42:55 AM  

wildcardjack: Every decade it got delayed added new costs. First it's health and safety. Then it's property rights. Then it's union wages. Okay, maybe not in that order.

Everyone marvels at how China "get things done" but it's because they don't have any of those.


It's local, state, and federal regulations.  This means approval from elected officials, architects, engineering firms, and consultant boards to "supervise" construction.  Tax payers tolerate massive cost overrides and delays so firms under bid knowing the politicians will potentially double or triple the budget later.
A relatively small project in NYC, the Second Avenue expansion cost $17 billion to complete a 1.8 mile of subway that already had the stations and other construction already in progress.
In my town we are building a new K-5 public school with a pre-school building.  The approved budget is $260 million dollars (replacing an existing school, no new land required).  We are around five months into the project and the builder is crying poor, demands $20 million more.  Why?  The frkkin school is 90% concrete and drywall ffs.  Then I get the town budget, it's pages of consultants each charging hundreds of thousands to "review" or "supervise" the project.
 
2022-12-20 8:43:41 AM  

Bruscar: The financial crisis of the 70's would have been an excellent time for the federal government to fund this and other projects like it throughout the nation. People could have used the jobs that funding would have provided.


It also would have been an excellent time for New York to get rid of the graft, corruption, and plain incompetence in MTA, which means all this would have been done with all the money already spent.
 
2022-12-20 9:03:11 AM  
Will this be the relaunch that finally gets Charlie off the train?
 
2022-12-20 9:45:38 AM  
I read that in Michael Palin's voice
 
2022-12-20 11:35:25 AM  
They're still working on the urine smell generators since there aren't enough homeless people available to give the new project the traditional NYC aura.
 
2022-12-20 1:15:40 PM  

Northern: maudibjr: Public rail project are crazy out of control  financially in the US.   Multiple multiple times the cost of even bigger growth projects in the UK and France.   There must be some skimming on level that would make a mafia so blush

iat's required permits, inspections, and consultants required to confirm the plans and supervise the project.  Public building programs cost around 500% of those in the EU or elsewhere.  Similar to our absurd healthcare system which is only 3x as expensive for consumers as any other country on earth.


Yeah, there are a bunch of factors inflating the cost...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgym5j/heres-how-the-us-can-stop-wasting-billions-of-dollars-on-each-transit-project
 
2022-12-20 1:22:28 PM  
it will. however, be great when it opens. no sarcasm. imagine NOT having to go to penn station,
(and i live on the east side, so bonus.)
 
2022-12-20 4:14:32 PM  
 
2022-12-20 10:30:32 PM  

hissatsu: But the full East Side Access service - which will operate up to 24 trains per hour to and from the new station - won't open until at least late January, LIRR and Metro-North president Cathy Rinaldi said.

For something in the works for over fifty years, I don't think I month or two is a big deal.


And the delays are for safety certifications; would rather know that it's safe to be 300-feet underground taking a train than something else happening and everyone's trapped.
 
2022-12-21 7:30:43 AM  

Bruscar: The financial crisis of the 70's would have been an excellent time for the federal government to fund this and other projects like it throughout the nation. People could have used the jobs that funding would have provided.


No time for that. Abe Beame had more important things to do, like give a $400m, 40 year "economic development" tax break to some developer from Queens.

I wonder what happened to that guy.
 
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