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Mugato [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 9:24:28 AM  
Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?
 
Jeebus Saves
2022-12-13 10:35:44 AM  
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Exile On Beale Street [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-13 10:40:52 AM  
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Diogenes [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-13 10:44:49 AM  
Maybe instead of the suit they could have just fed Fraser a bunch of Pi.
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 10:53:21 AM  
They could have cast Rob McElhenney from It's Always Sunny in Philidelpia. He gained 50 pounds, just because he felt it would be funny. Then he lost it as quickly as he gained it.

Actually, fatties would probably have an even bigger problem with that.
 
xalres
2022-12-13 11:08:59 AM  
Yeah it sucks, but at least it treats the character as an actual person and not some Farley-esque vehicle for food jokes and pratfalls. Baby steps.
 
xalres
2022-12-13 11:09:42 AM  

Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?


So were minstrel shows.
 
Tranquil Hegemony [BareFark]
2022-12-13 11:10:02 AM  

Mugato: They could have cast Rob McElhenney from It's Always Sunny in Philidelpia. He gained 50 pounds, just because he felt it would be funny. Then he lost it as quickly as he gained it.


He was cultivating mass.
 
Tyrone Slothrop
2022-12-13 11:12:00 AM  
I read one review of 1000 Years of Longing that called it fat shaming because of a scene where a character was sexually aroused by fat women. Evidently portraying fat people as desirable is now also a bad thing.
 
johnphantom
2022-12-13 11:12:27 AM  

Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?


Wait a sec... I thought fat was supposed to be beautiful now??
 
Unsung_Hero
2022-12-13 11:13:38 AM  
Who cares what fat people think?  What are they going to do, chase you?
 
Tyrone Slothrop
2022-12-13 11:13:39 AM  

xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.


Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 11:14:08 AM  

xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.


Holy shiat.
 
Trocadero
2022-12-13 11:14:47 AM  
Rant time: I was trying to remember one of the movies he directed. IMDB lists him as a producer first, and his director credits, you need to click a collapsible list to see his directing credits. That button is behind a goddamn mountain's worth of farking scripts on a bunch of different servers, many of them not "amazon." Holy fark, what the hell?
 
Zombie DJ
2022-12-13 11:14:57 AM  
https://youtu.be/T19Az39zK9c

"This is how screwed up my country is right now. You know Bryan Cranston, right? That dude did a movie. He played a quadriplegic and people gave him shiat, being like, "Why is there an able-bodied person playing a quadriplegic?" It's like, "It's because it's called acting, you dumb f***." See, if he was a quadriplegic playing a quadriplegic, that's not acting. That's just farking laying there, saying shiat that someone else wrote"
- Bill Burr
 
xalres
2022-12-13 11:17:41 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?


Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 11:17:59 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?


No it isn't and the comparison is farked up.
 
WhiskeySticks
2022-12-13 11:18:37 AM  
Next up: those sumo suits people wear to bounce off each other is not only a form of fat shaming but also cultural appropriation.
 
Unsung_Hero
2022-12-13 11:20:29 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?


A healthy actor in a fat suit is more likely to be able to handle the rigours of the daily shooting schedule.

It's the same reason you generally don't see people with disabilities playing people with disabilities.

And, of course, the more conventional actor is more employable and thus more likely to exist in the available talent pool in the first place.  You can't put a fat person in a 'thin suit' any more than a paraplegic can walk.
 
Trocadero
2022-12-13 11:21:08 AM  
Eh, if you're making a tough drama about a fat person committing suicide due to the bullying and stigma, you probably shouldn't use a thin actor in a fat suit. The Penguin, not as big of a deal. Also, a great Onion headline.

https://www.theonion.com/colin-farrell-reveals-penguin-transformation-was-achiev-1848613715
 
mechgreg
2022-12-13 11:28:19 AM  
My understanding is in the movie Fraser's character maxes out at 600lb but is not that big for the whole movie. So do you get someone that big and force them to lose weight over the course of production? That's like hiring someone with cancer who only has two years to live to play Walter White.
 
Cthulhu Theory
2022-12-13 11:33:07 AM  

xalres: Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?

Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.


You lost the plot when you jumped directly to minstrel shows and tipped your hand way too soon.

The reality is, we do have plenty of media reflecting fat people as actual people, and fat people aren't the only ones who are the butt of jokes simply for existing in the form they do. We do it with smart people, dumb people, skinny people, buff people, beautiful people, ugly people, blacks, whites, asians, latinos, americans, europeans, tall people, short people, pretty much any demographic that has existed. 

Minstrel shows featured unrealistic caricatures to visually mock black folk and further dehumanize them. Fat suits are designed to simply make someone look overweight. 

They are not the same thing. Get over yourself.
 
Jeebus Saves
2022-12-13 11:33:44 AM  

xalres: Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?

Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.


Don't call them fat.  If you want to be politically correct, the appropriate term is morbidly obese.
 
CoonAce
2022-12-13 11:35:44 AM  

Trocadero: Eh, if you're making a tough drama about a fat person committing suicide due to the bullying and stigma, you probably shouldn't use a thin actor in a fat suit. The Penguin, not as big of a deal. Also, a great Onion headline.

https://www.theonion.com/colin-farrell-reveals-penguin-transformation-was-achiev-1848613715


Say what you like about Frazer, but he is certainly not a thin actor.
 
Plaster Lion
2022-12-13 11:40:37 AM  
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DecemberNitro
2022-12-13 11:41:33 AM  
Backlash for the sake of backlash. Sorry, not buying this one.
 
Subtonic
2022-12-13 11:42:15 AM  

xalres: Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?

Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.


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Earthworm Jim Jones [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-12-13 11:44:09 AM  
I can't wait to see this movie.  Darren A. makes good flicks to me.
 
Cthulhu Theory
2022-12-13 11:44:43 AM  

mechgreg: My understanding is in the movie Fraser's character maxes out at 600lb but is not that big for the whole movie. So do you get someone that big and force them to lose weight over the course of production? That's like hiring someone with cancer who only has two years to live to play Walter White.


Chrissy Metz (Kat from This Is Us) was signed on to the role with an initial plan to have her lose weight over the course of the show. It was part of the show's initial character arc for her and her husband - they met at a weight loss retreat - and at some point they decided do abandon that and just let her be her and wrote the rest of her story around her husband losing weight and how that affected her and their relationship.
 
xalres
2022-12-13 11:44:44 AM  

Cthulhu Theory: xalres: Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?

Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.

You lost the plot when you jumped directly to minstrel shows and tipped your hand way too soon.

The reality is, we do have plenty of media reflecting fat people as actual people, and fat people aren't the only ones who are the butt of jokes simply for existing in the form they do. We do it with smart people, dumb people, skinny people, buff people, beautiful people, ugly people, blacks, whites, asians, latinos, americans, europeans, tall people, short people, pretty much any demographic that has existed. 

Minstrel shows featured unrealistic caricatures to visually mock black folk and further dehumanize them. Fat suits are designed to simply make someone look overweight. 

They are not the same thing. Get over yourself.


I wasn't making a direct comparison ya dunce. OP pointed out that fat suits have been used forever. I was pointing out that "We've always done things this way." is a terrible excuse. That's all. Literally it.
 
Rev. Skarekroe
2022-12-13 11:45:17 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?


Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYSbk_tTsjk
 
karnal
2022-12-13 11:45:31 AM  
It's all part of the new Woke society
 
henryhill
2022-12-13 11:45:54 AM  
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towatchoverme
2022-12-13 11:46:07 AM  
Is this the thread where we pretend to be offended by someone else's pretending to be offended?
 
AeAe
2022-12-13 11:47:28 AM  
These fat farks just need to eat a salad.
 
RyansPrivates
2022-12-13 11:48:33 AM  
I will see this movie.

Even when Aronofsky "fails" the movie is still worth seeing. The fact that he made Pi, Requiem for a Dream, Black Swan, & The Wrestler buys him a forever 'will see his movies' pass from me.
 
mudesi
2022-12-13 11:49:13 AM  
Good for him for not issuing some horse shiat apology and/or promising to "do better".  Stand up to this farking bullshiat because it's getting REALLY farking old.
 
Magnus Eisengrim
2022-12-13 11:49:44 AM  
You think *this* is backlash? Wait until they find out about the aliens in Star Trek and Star Wars!
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 11:50:34 AM  

towatchoverme: Is this the thread where we pretend to be offended by someone else's pretending to be offended?


HOW DARE YOU
 
DHT3
2022-12-13 11:53:17 AM  

Subtonic: xalres: Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?

Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.

[Fark user image 170x200] [View Full Size image _x_]


And here I thought all 

xalres: Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?

Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.


The irony of your average farker (who is by definition overweight/obese) making fun of fat people is....dare I say, delicious?
 
WoodyHayes [OhFark]
2022-12-13 11:55:12 AM  
That motherfarker owes me money for The Fountain.
 
Foxxinnia
2022-12-13 11:55:19 AM  
A lot goes into acting, but I think saying that an actor needs to have control over their emotions and bodies would be a pretty uncontroversial statement. Being obese to the point that you have mobility issues tends to be a pretty clear that someone has neither of those qualities.
 
DHT3
2022-12-13 11:56:12 AM  
DHT3: Subtonic: xalres: Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?

Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.

[Fark user image 170x200] [View Full Size image _x_]

And here I thought all xalres: Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?

Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.

The irony of your average farker (who is by definition overweight/obese) making fun of fat people is....dare I say, delicious?

Shambles......I need to hit Preview from now on.
 
DecemberNitro
2022-12-13 12:08:43 PM  

karnal: It's all part of the new Woke society


Hey look everyone, a moron.
 
Cthulhu Theory
2022-12-13 12:09:50 PM  

xalres: Cthulhu Theory: xalres: Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?

Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.

You lost the plot when you jumped directly to minstrel shows and tipped your hand way too soon.

The reality is, we do have plenty of media reflecting fat people as actual people, and fat people aren't the only ones who are the butt of jokes simply for existing in the form they do. We do it with smart people, dumb people, skinny people, buff people, beautiful people, ugly people, blacks, whites, asians, latinos, americans, europeans, tall people, short people, pretty much any demographic that has existed. 

Minstrel shows featured unrealistic caricatures to visually mock black folk and further dehumanize them. Fat suits are designed to simply make someone look overweight. 

They are not the same thing. Get over yourself.

I wasn't making a direct comparison ya dunce. OP pointed out that fat suits have been used forever. I was pointing out that "We've always done things this way." is a terrible excuse. That's all. Literally it.


Except minstrel shows weren't always a thing. It was a thing for about a hundred years or so, but died off a mostly quiet and undignified death. Hardly a blip in the scope of theatre.
 
xalres
2022-12-13 12:10:31 PM  

WoodyHayes: That motherfarker owes me money for The Fountain.


That was him? Yeesh. Even Rachel Weisz couldn't save that stinker.

Pretty though, which was, I suppose, the point, as much as that movie could be said to have actually had a point.
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 12:11:48 PM  

karnal: It's all part of the new Woke


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xalres
2022-12-13 12:12:32 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: xalres: Cthulhu Theory: xalres: Tyrone Slothrop: xalres: Mugato: Sigh. Fat suits have been a staple of movie/TV/stage comedy since each was invented. Fatties are just now pissed off?

So were minstrel shows.

Ah, so we're at the "actors portraying anyone but themselves is exactly like blatant racism" stage, eh?

Merely pointing out that just because something is the way it has always been doesn't mean it's good or right, just that nobody currently cares about the people being harmed.

I get it. We're still probably a decade away from the public at large, and Fark specifically, seeing fat people as actual people, and not just walking excuses to be a complete asshole to someone without any social consequences.

You lost the plot when you jumped directly to minstrel shows and tipped your hand way too soon.

The reality is, we do have plenty of media reflecting fat people as actual people, and fat people aren't the only ones who are the butt of jokes simply for existing in the form they do. We do it with smart people, dumb people, skinny people, buff people, beautiful people, ugly people, blacks, whites, asians, latinos, americans, europeans, tall people, short people, pretty much any demographic that has existed. 

Minstrel shows featured unrealistic caricatures to visually mock black folk and further dehumanize them. Fat suits are designed to simply make someone look overweight. 

They are not the same thing. Get over yourself.

I wasn't making a direct comparison ya dunce. OP pointed out that fat suits have been used forever. I was pointing out that "We've always done things this way." is a terrible excuse. That's all. Literally it.

Except minstrel shows weren't always a thing. It was a thing for about a hundred years or so, but died off a mostly quiet and undignified death. Hardly a blip in the scope of theatre.


Okay fine. Substitute it with whatever other shiatty thing entertainment used to get up to. Child labor. Italians playing native Americans. Directors killing children by dropping a helicopter on them and continuing to work...

/Farkers picking nits so hard they've reached brain matter.
 
beakerxf
2022-12-13 12:12:52 PM  

Trocadero: Rant time: I was trying to remember one of the movies he directed. IMDB lists him as a producer first, and his director credits, you need to click a collapsible list to see his directing credits. That button is behind a goddamn mountain's worth of farking scripts on a bunch of different servers, many of them not "amazon." Holy fark, what the hell?


Did you have to close a half dozen pop-ups and drop downs telling you to download the app instead?  Amazon really wants that app data.
 
karnal
2022-12-13 12:14:30 PM  
So are they trying to make this into something like cultural misappropriation?
 
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