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(Grist)   A small Wisconsin town tried to regulate factory farms. Guess what happened next?   (grist.org) divider line
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groppet
2022-12-13 5:19:20 AM  
And now the corporate farms own the town and people.
 
SecondaryControl [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 7:16:07 AM  
Big Ag sued the everloving shiat out of them?

/Checks article.  Yep.
 
12YearBid [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 7:18:58 AM  
He fixes her cable?
 
IAmRight [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 7:19:06 AM  
Turns out when you attempt to drown government in a bathtub, the power doesn't go to the people; it goes to wealthy corporations.

Weird how the corporations who fund libertarianism don't mention that in the advertising.
 
The_Shade_Richard_Swift
2022-12-13 7:56:19 AM  
Still feel like taxing big corporations is communism?
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 8:23:30 AM  
Define the factory farm?
It can't just be 'whatever you think it is'....or a 'corporation'. Heck even someone with a Estey shop in their basement might be a 'corporation'.

Could having a dozen chickens be a 'factory farm'? Why or why not...what about 2, 3, 4 dozen. When does it become a 'factory'. There's a local dairy that was adjacent to us---about 30-40 cows. Good milk. Tho you could smell cow poo when the wind was from the east.

And often these rules about agriculture are only enforced or passed because the mayor's brother in law is yanking up a plot of land to turn it 'flat' to build 40 garden homes, and cow poo stinks.
 
Ken VeryBigLiar
2022-12-13 8:24:48 AM  

groppet: And now the corporate farms own the town and people.


It's a growing trend in this state. You can make crap on milk anymore, a lot of dairy guys have been scrapping milk production and going straight beef and crops for the past ten or twenty years. Only people that can make money on it are 24 hour operations where they bring in by the hundreds every 8 hours. Then there's the larg poultry operations down in places like Delavan and Whitewater where they have to kill multiple hundreds of thousands of birds whenever there's an outbreak or avian flu. They also have a bad habit of not disposing of them very well so you can smell them halfway to Milwaukee if the wind's right.

I'm waiting for these to hit up by my parents just north of the Dells. There's one family farm that turns any kind of realistic profit, the rest are either too small or too far gone with what they owe the bank to do much else. When someone waves enough cash at them I have a feeling prides gonna go out the window real fast.
 
Barricaded Gunman
2022-12-13 9:09:30 AM  
Not for nothin', but if you people stopped eating meat this problem would solve itself.
 
Incog_Neeto
2022-12-13 9:24:10 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Not for nothin', but if you people stopped eating meat this problem would solve itself.


You're not allowed to talk to my GF
 
jso2897
2022-12-13 9:44:46 AM  

The_Shade_Richard_Swift: Still feel like taxing big corporations is communism?


Yep. Some Repug Thug will tell them that, and they will vote for him.
The fake belief in a non-existent self-reliance is all the Right has left to sell - but it still sells well amongst the cousin-f**kers.
 
caljar
2022-12-13 9:50:28 AM  
It is a classic farm country NIMBY fight.  The people in town pass a law that stops the farmers from farming, because poo smells bad, and the farmers sue.
 
shinji3i
2022-12-13 10:16:12 AM  
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Sasquach
2022-12-13 10:29:19 AM  

optikeye: Define the factory farm?
It can't just be 'whatever you think it is'....or a 'corporation'. Heck even someone with a Estey shop in their basement might be a 'corporation'.

Could having a dozen chickens be a 'factory farm'? Why or why not...what about 2, 3, 4 dozen. When does it become a 'factory'. There's a local dairy that was adjacent to us---about 30-40 cows. Good milk. Tho you could smell cow poo when the wind was from the east.

And often these rules about agriculture are only enforced or passed because the mayor's brother in law is yanking up a plot of land to turn it 'flat' to build 40 garden homes, and cow poo stinks.

"The size of these farms varies within a state but generally are seen as operations with 2,000 or more pigs, 700 or more dairy cattle, or over 1,000 beef cattle."


TFA calls it out pretty early...it's almost as if you weren't concerned with making an honest argument or something.
 
bhcompy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-13 12:03:08 PM  

caljar: It is a classic farm country NIMBY fight.  The people in town pass a law that stops the farmers from farming, because poo smells bad, and the farmers sue.


On the other side of Wisconsin, residents in Kewaunee County have seen manure coming out of their faucets from one the largest CAFOs in the state, who sued the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resource last year when they were denied a request to nearly double their size.

It certainly does when it's coming out of your faucet.

For the record, cattle farms don't smell too bad.  Chicken farms smell godawful, particularly when it's hot and that shiat is roasting.
 
ajgeek [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 12:53:12 PM  

optikeye: Define the factory farm?
It can't just be 'whatever you think it is'....or a 'corporation'. Heck even someone with a Estey shop in their basement might be a 'corporation'.

Could having a dozen chickens be a 'factory farm'? Why or why not...what about 2, 3, 4 dozen. When does it become a 'factory'. There's a local dairy that was adjacent to us---about 30-40 cows. Good milk. Tho you could smell cow poo when the wind was from the east.

And often these rules about agriculture are only enforced or passed because the mayor's brother in law is yanking up a plot of land to turn it 'flat' to build 40 garden homes, and cow poo stinks.


I see a pretty clear point of demarcation.

If the land space being used cannot fully support the animal intake, output, and necessary generation required to keep the population alive, requiring import and export of food and waste, respectfully, it is a factory farm.

And one cannot attach the off-site land being used to grow the primary food in the calculation to get around the definition.
 
olorin604
2022-12-13 12:57:56 PM  
Maybe shoving 2000 pigs on a couple acres should stop being defined as farming and called industrial production.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 1:46:55 PM  

Sasquach: optikeye: Define the factory farm?
It can't just be 'whatever you think it is'....or a 'corporation'. Heck even someone with a Estey shop in their basement might be a 'corporation'.

Could having a dozen chickens be a 'factory farm'? Why or why not...what about 2, 3, 4 dozen. When does it become a 'factory'. There's a local dairy that was adjacent to us---about 30-40 cows. Good milk. Tho you could smell cow poo when the wind was from the east.

And often these rules about agriculture are only enforced or passed because the mayor's brother in law is yanking up a plot of land to turn it 'flat' to build 40 garden homes, and cow poo stinks.

"The size of these farms varies within a state but generally are seen as operations with 2,000 or more pigs, 700 or more dairy cattle, or over 1,000 beef cattle."

TFA calls it out pretty early...it's almost as if you weren't concerned with making an honest argument or something.


So, is there *any* acceptable level of raising animals for slaughter for steaks, bacon?
ANY level?

What is that level?
 
Klom Dark
2022-12-13 2:10:01 PM  

jso2897: The_Shade_Richard_Swift: Still feel like taxing big corporations is communism?

Yep. Some Repug Thug will tell them that, and they will vote for him.
The fake belief in a non-existent self-reliance is all the Right has left to sell - but it still sells well amongst the cousin-f**kers.


Hey! Some of us lefties enjoy cousin farking!

// central Nebraska
 
Klom Dark
2022-12-13 2:11:38 PM  

bhcompy: caljar: It is a classic farm country NIMBY fight.  The people in town pass a law that stops the farmers from farming, because poo smells bad, and the farmers sue.

On the other side of Wisconsin, residents in Kewaunee County have seen manure coming out of their faucets from one the largest CAFOs in the state, who sued the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resource last year when they were denied a request to nearly double their size.

It certainly does when it's coming out of your faucet.

For the record, cattle farms don't smell too bad.  Chicken farms smell godawful, particularly when it's hot and that shiat is roasting.


Pig farms are by far the worst
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 2:12:50 PM  

Klom Dark: jso2897: The_Shade_Richard_Swift: Still feel like taxing big corporations is communism?

Yep. Some Repug Thug will tell them that, and they will vote for him.
The fake belief in a non-existent self-reliance is all the Right has left to sell - but it still sells well amongst the cousin-f**kers.

Hey! Some of us lefties enjoy cousin farking!

// central Nebraska


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Klom Dark
2022-12-13 2:13:36 PM  

optikeye: Sasquach: optikeye: Define the factory farm?
It can't just be 'whatever you think it is'....or a 'corporation'. Heck even someone with a Estey shop in their basement might be a 'corporation'.

Could having a dozen chickens be a 'factory farm'? Why or why not...what about 2, 3, 4 dozen. When does it become a 'factory'. There's a local dairy that was adjacent to us---about 30-40 cows. Good milk. Tho you could smell cow poo when the wind was from the east.

And often these rules about agriculture are only enforced or passed because the mayor's brother in law is yanking up a plot of land to turn it 'flat' to build 40 garden homes, and cow poo stinks.

"The size of these farms varies within a state but generally are seen as operations with 2,000 or more pigs, 700 or more dairy cattle, or over 1,000 beef cattle."

TFA calls it out pretty early...it's almost as if you weren't concerned with making an honest argument or something.

So, is there *any* acceptable level of raising animals for slaughter for steaks, bacon?
ANY level?

What is that level?


Have you farkied with:

There's plenty of reasons not to eat McD's every day without having to make up shait
 
olorin604
2022-12-13 2:28:35 PM  

optikeye: Sasquach: optikeye: Define the factory farm?
It can't just be 'whatever you think it is'....or a 'corporation'. Heck even someone with a Estey shop in their basement might be a 'corporation'.

Could having a dozen chickens be a 'factory farm'? Why or why not...what about 2, 3, 4 dozen. When does it become a 'factory'. There's a local dairy that was adjacent to us---about 30-40 cows. Good milk. Tho you could smell cow poo when the wind was from the east.

And often these rules about agriculture are only enforced or passed because the mayor's brother in law is yanking up a plot of land to turn it 'flat' to build 40 garden homes, and cow poo stinks.

"The size of these farms varies within a state but generally are seen as operations with 2,000 or more pigs, 700 or more dairy cattle, or over 1,000 beef cattle."

TFA calls it out pretty early...it's almost as if you weren't concerned with making an honest argument or something.

So, is there *any* acceptable level of raising animals for slaughter for steaks, bacon?
ANY level?

What is that level?


If you have to have a plan to deal with excrement, you have bypassed agriculture and are a factory.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-12-13 2:42:00 PM  

olorin604: optikeye: Sasquach: optikeye: Define the factory farm?
It can't just be 'whatever you think it is'....or a 'corporation'. Heck even someone with a Estey shop in their basement might be a 'corporation'.

Could having a dozen chickens be a 'factory farm'? Why or why not...what about 2, 3, 4 dozen. When does it become a 'factory'. There's a local dairy that was adjacent to us---about 30-40 cows. Good milk. Tho you could smell cow poo when the wind was from the east.

And often these rules about agriculture are only enforced or passed because the mayor's brother in law is yanking up a plot of land to turn it 'flat' to build 40 garden homes, and cow poo stinks.

"The size of these farms varies within a state but generally are seen as operations with 2,000 or more pigs, 700 or more dairy cattle, or over 1,000 beef cattle."

TFA calls it out pretty early...it's almost as if you weren't concerned with making an honest argument or something.

So, is there *any* acceptable level of raising animals for slaughter for steaks, bacon?
ANY level?

What is that level?

If you have to have a plan to deal with excrement, you have bypassed agriculture and are a factory.


WFT? We only had 20 cows, and 3 horses.

We had a plan to 'deal with excrement' which was "Give Optik a shovel and wheel barrow when he mucks out the barn/feeding pen and put it in the compost pile by the garden"
 
olorin604
2022-12-13 3:21:57 PM  

optikeye: olorin604: optikeye: Sasquach: optikeye: Define the factory farm?
It can't just be 'whatever you think it is'....or a 'corporation'. Heck even someone with a Estey shop in their basement might be a 'corporation'.

Could having a dozen chickens be a 'factory farm'? Why or why not...what about 2, 3, 4 dozen. When does it become a 'factory'. There's a local dairy that was adjacent to us---about 30-40 cows. Good milk. Tho you could smell cow poo when the wind was from the east.

And often these rules about agriculture are only enforced or passed because the mayor's brother in law is yanking up a plot of land to turn it 'flat' to build 40 garden homes, and cow poo stinks.

"The size of these farms varies within a state but generally are seen as operations with 2,000 or more pigs, 700 or more dairy cattle, or over 1,000 beef cattle."

TFA calls it out pretty early...it's almost as if you weren't concerned with making an honest argument or something.

So, is there *any* acceptable level of raising animals for slaughter for steaks, bacon?
ANY level?

What is that level?

If you have to have a plan to deal with excrement, you have bypassed agriculture and are a factory.

WFT? We only had 20 cows, and 3 horses.

We had a plan to 'deal with excrement' which was "Give Optik a shovel and wheel barrow when he mucks out the barn/feeding pen and put it in the compost pile by the garden"


So you didn't have to build a septic system to handle breaking down waste to a point it could be moved to make room for more waste? You had a plan for keeping your barn clean, not a plan for excrement. I'm making this assumption largely because you claim to have had horses there.

The articles isn't about the farm raising 20 cows on 20 acres it's about the cafo that is packing those into a quarter of that space, shipping in all the feed needed and having to deal with the waste.

I've lived next to farms in one way or another most of my life they don't smell bad, I mean maybe if you are fresh from a city and move next to one the difference would be jarring but it's not overwhelming.

I have also passed cafos, where I am its usually pork or poultry, and they reek... Like from a mile away they reek.

There were also a few high profile spills where their septics screwed up and spilled a shiatton of waste into the local water.
 
bhcompy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-13 4:18:51 PM  

Klom Dark: bhcompy: caljar: It is a classic farm country NIMBY fight.  The people in town pass a law that stops the farmers from farming, because poo smells bad, and the farmers sue.

On the other side of Wisconsin, residents in Kewaunee County have seen manure coming out of their faucets from one the largest CAFOs in the state, who sued the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resource last year when they were denied a request to nearly double their size.

It certainly does when it's coming out of your faucet.

For the record, cattle farms don't smell too bad.  Chicken farms smell godawful, particularly when it's hot and that shiat is roasting.

Pig farms are by far the worst


I have not had the pleasure of living near one, but I'll take your word for it
 
Klom Dark
2022-12-13 7:57:37 PM  

bhcompy: Klom Dark: bhcompy: caljar: It is a classic farm country NIMBY fight.  The people in town pass a law that stops the farmers from farming, because poo smells bad, and the farmers sue.

On the other side of Wisconsin, residents in Kewaunee County have seen manure coming out of their faucets from one the largest CAFOs in the state, who sued the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resource last year when they were denied a request to nearly double their size.

It certainly does when it's coming out of your faucet.

For the record, cattle farms don't smell too bad.  Chicken farms smell godawful, particularly when it's hot and that shiat is roasting.

Pig farms are by far the worst

I have not had the pleasure of living near one, but I'll take your word for it


Just absolutely nasty, be glad you haven't! Especially the spring melt. Ack!
 
Jedbone
2022-12-13 11:09:41 PM  
FTFA:
>> After a large hog farm estimated to produce over 9 million gallons of manure a year was proposed in Polk County a few years ago,

Agreed about the hog farm stench. Not an earthy manure smell... Just. Plain. Nasty. It takes over your senses and turns your stomach.

9 million gallons of manure, per year!   Let that sink in... and not into your groundwater.  Ain't nobody got processes in place to deal with that level of sludge... so they let it sit in open "ponds" until it becomes someone else's problem to deal with. Whenever the wind shifts your way... whoa.

Regulate factory farms, and (somehow) make family farming doable again. Wisconsin loses hundreds each year.
 
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