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(The Verge)   And so it begins. PC RAM recommendation hits 32GB for PlayStation port, Returnal   (theverge.com) divider line
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aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 8:08:43 PM  
It's just emulating the PS environment, instead of being a real port isn't it?  32GB of ram is farking ridiculous.
 
Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 8:43:30 PM  
ram is cheap.. I've had 32 gig in my desktop for over a decade now. Unless that's the video ram requirements
 
sorceror [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 8:44:53 PM  

aleister_greynight: It's just emulating the PS environment, instead of being a real port isn't it?  32GB of ram is farking ridiculous.


The PS5's architecture has some important differences from a PC. In particular, a LOT of storage bandwidth. They might well need extra RAM to cache data.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/71340/understanding-the-ps5s-ssd-deep-dive-into-next-gen-storage-tech/index.html
 
cretinbob [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-11 8:45:17 PM  
I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.
 
cretinbob [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-11 8:46:43 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: ram is cheap.. I've had 32 gig in my desktop for over a decade now. Unless that's the video ram requirements


Uhh...that just may be....let me look again...

//they are coming
 
aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 9:20:24 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: ram is cheap.. I've had 32 gig in my desktop for over a decade now. Unless that's the video ram requirements


That's super cheap in a desktop though.  And who actually still owns one?
 
Rage Against the Thorazine [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 9:21:36 PM  

cretinbob: I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.


I don't know how you all put up with that. This is with 15 tabs open in Firefox.

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aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 9:26:53 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: cretinbob: I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.

I don't know how you all put up with that. This is with 15 tabs open in Firefox.

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I got 16 in my most recent laptop purchase.  Everything I read on the internet said you didn't need more than that at the premium price it would run you.
 
aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 9:27:43 PM  

aleister_greynight: Rage Against the Thorazine: cretinbob: I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.

I don't know how you all put up with that. This is with 15 tabs open in Firefox.

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I got 16 in my most recent laptop purchase.  Everything I read on the internet said you didn't need more than that at the premium price it would run you.


But I also have a really good video card.
 
Carter Pewterschmidt [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 10:00:11 PM  
I have 8gb, and that's running a PC with three monitors so I often have a bunch of stuff open at any one time.
 
NateAsbestos [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-11 10:00:36 PM  
I put 64gb in my NUC Ubuntu server because it wasn't that much more expensive than 32.
Meh
 
King Something [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 10:14:16 PM  
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SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 10:20:40 PM  

cretinbob: I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.


I just ordered 64 for my Alienware today.  I dont game much, mainly its for virtualization, etc
 
Mantour [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 10:36:16 PM  
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cretinbob [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-11 11:18:43 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: cretinbob: I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.

I don't know how you all put up with that. This is with 15 tabs open in Firefox.

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I have premiere pro and after effects running at the same time
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2022-12-11 11:44:40 PM  

cretinbob: Rage Against the Thorazine: cretinbob: I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.

I don't know how you all put up with that. This is with 15 tabs open in Firefox.

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I have premiere pro and after effects running at the same time


Me too but 16g works fine. I'd like to add more but I actually don't know what kind of memory would be compatible with what's already in there.
 
SouthParkCon [TotalFark]
2022-12-12 12:23:07 AM  
I've had 32GB in my gaming rigs for the last 2 years because if you pay any kind of attention then that's what is recommended.

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Ishkur [OhFark]
2022-12-12 12:23:41 AM  
Why? Do you play it through your browser?
 
Concrete Donkey
2022-12-12 12:42:02 AM  
Man, can you guys imagine what it would be like in a world where processing power was used to increase the complexity of the games AI instead of always being wasted on graphics
 
I Like Bread
2022-12-12 12:48:34 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Man, can you guys imagine what it would be like in a world where processing power was used to increase the complexity of the games AI instead of always being wasted on graphics


I don't have to imagine because I'm playing Dwarf Fortress right now.
 
Rage Against the Thorazine [TotalFark]
2022-12-12 1:05:20 AM  

cretinbob: Rage Against the Thorazine: cretinbob: I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.

I don't know how you all put up with that. This is with 15 tabs open in Firefox.

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I have premiere pro and after effects running at the same time


How much ram are you using with the OS?
 
Caelistis
2022-12-12 1:21:15 AM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: cretinbob: I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.

I don't know how you all put up with that. This is with 15 tabs open in Firefox.

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Pfffft. Newb. ;-)

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Two windows of Firefox open with 27 tabs across both of them, plus virt-manager running. And my OS loads in to a RAM disk thus the odd 62.72GB.

64GB is my base line for all of my PCs now. 128GB for my personal servers.
 
DannyBrandt [TotalFark]
2022-12-12 1:29:15 AM  
Not sure what the big deal is, they're like $10

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akallen404
2022-12-12 2:01:00 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Man, can you guys imagine what it would be like in a world where processing power was used to increase the complexity of the games AI instead of always being wasted on graphics


This.

Most of the stupid bullshiat we have to put up with these days -- half finished buggy games with broken/missing/canceled features -- is mostly studios trying to get games to run at 4K at 60fps reliably on systems that are in no way optimized for that.

Back before COVID a developer friend swore to me that by 2020 nobody was going to pay for a game that wasn't completely photorealistic at under 60fps and I looked him dead in the eye and said "Breath of the Wild." He's been mad at me ever since.
 
Pointy Tail of Satan
2022-12-12 2:17:32 AM  
My new PC it appears....

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Nullav
2022-12-12 2:31:32 AM  
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So, that^ is what I sit at doing a LOT of big shiat, on top of setting aside 4GB for read caching (gotta' keep around some spinning rust for a few things.) Sometimes that'll go up to like 45GB utilized under brief nightmare scenarios. The difference? I make game assets; maps, models, textures, that sort of thing. The only times a game's ever had the gall to require anywhere near that to run was when it wasn't a game, but a server for a game. I couldn't justify half of that on just a gamer-type load.

Yeah, 32GB's sorta' in the "cheap as water" range nowadays, at least when pricing stuff for a new build, but a lazy port like this is asking a lot of anyone not doing that. $60/70/80 (+$30 for the DLC season pass dontchaknow), and $100ish for 32GB of RAM that you may rarely justify after that game's time has passed? Fark that.
 
Rage Against the Thorazine [TotalFark]
2022-12-12 2:32:38 AM  

Caelistis: Rage Against the Thorazine: cretinbob: I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.

I don't know how you all put up with that. This is with 15 tabs open in Firefox.

[Fark user image 267x218]


Pfffft. Newb. ;-)

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Two windows of Firefox open with 27 tabs across both of them, plus virt-manager running. And my OS loads in to a RAM disk thus the odd 62.72GB.

64GB is my base line for all of my PCs now. 128GB for my personal servers.


lol That is insane. I can understand if you're running a pro workstation but 64GB for a friggin' game or a personal computer is hard for me to wrap my head around. I only have 16GB on this laptop and I've never managed to use it all.
 
DON.MAC [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-12 2:59:52 AM  
I've got 32 gig in my new mac mini but could use more.  I had to send the M1 back because it kept crashing for lack of ram.  This one has been up a whole 24 days this time without crashing and I'm not impressed with its track record.  I use windows not tabs for things that still allow it and I use virtual desktops for projects. I also use fast user switching for testing.  I'll have 3 to 6 desktops and each with maybe 20 windows open.  I'll Safari as well as two to three profiles of Firefox open as well as 20 or so terminal sessions open.  I basically use it like a pair of Blits with prettier online documentation.  I figure my mac uses about the same % of memory for video backing as a C64 did.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
Quantumbunny
2022-12-12 5:06:50 AM  

aleister_greynight: It's just emulating the PS environment, instead of being a real port isn't it?  32GB of ram is farking ridiculous.


It has to be something horrendous like that.

The PS5 has 16GB of RAM. Is the developer claiming the PS5 is not meeting the recommended specs and isn't a good platform to play the game on?

Or maybe they decided not to figure out caching and they just load all of the game assets into memory at load time?
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
2022-12-12 5:16:32 AM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: Caelistis: Rage Against the Thorazine: cretinbob: I wouldn't do less than 32 for anything. I'm beginning to wish I had 64.

I don't know how you all put up with that. This is with 15 tabs open in Firefox.

[Fark user image 267x218]


Pfffft. Newb. ;-)

[Fark user image 400x51]

Two windows of Firefox open with 27 tabs across both of them, plus virt-manager running. And my OS loads in to a RAM disk thus the odd 62.72GB.

64GB is my base line for all of my PCs now. 128GB for my personal servers.

lol That is insane. I can understand if you're running a pro workstation but 64GB for a friggin' game or a personal computer is hard for me to wrap my head around. I only have 16GB on this laptop and I've never managed to use it all.


It really helps more if your rig is otherwise average (or crud.)  I have 64 in this one because it is low average - and at the time ram was cheap so why not.  It helps smooth out performance on marginally runnable games noticeably.  Doesn't replace a good GPU no, but I was getting like 15-20% better performance out of the marginal stuff than I used to with an equivalent GPU.  If you've already got burning edge shiat for a GPU/in the system otherwise?  You probably won't even notice barring stuff like the article.  If you aren't doing things like games that make your system work for it, or being an artist of some sort, you likely would never notice either way
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
2022-12-12 7:34:46 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: It really helps more if your rig is otherwise average (or crud.)  I have 64 in this one because it is low average - and at the time ram was cheap so why not.  It helps smooth out performance on marginally runnable games noticeably.  Doesn't replace a good GPU no, but I was getting like 15-20% better performance out of the marginal stuff than I used to with an equivalent GPU.  If you've already got burning edge shiat for a GPU/in the system otherwise?  You probably won't even notice barring stuff like the article.  If you aren't doing things like games that make your system work for it, or being an artist of some sort, you likely would never notice either way


Yeah - I know - WTF y tho?  That was my question when I was asking about building a low end system in some places and a few people reccomended it.  Reply was a shruggie and "It works though - since Windows 10 dumping stupid amounts of ram in actually helps a bit."  So I tried it - because last-gen Ram was like buy 1 get 3 free practically then.  And it did.  Whether it's modern OS architecture making use of the overage to ease bottlenecks or PFM I don't know, or care.  It's worked - and I can't argue with that
 
LoneVVolf
2022-12-12 7:43:03 AM  
Ark laughs in 2015...  You brought an extra SSD, too, right?
 
69gnarkill69
2022-12-12 7:57:15 AM  
Damn. I remember going from 32 to 64 mb of ram on my old pc.
 
Unmatched Brutality
2022-12-12 8:02:39 AM  
Lol, every time a thread like this pops up, its full of PC nerds trying to flex unused dicks in here.
 
akallen404
2022-12-12 8:09:47 AM  

Quantumbunny: Or maybe they decided not to figure out caching and they just load all of the game assets into memory at load time?


Of course! How else are you supposed to get that reliable ultrahigh framerate if the game has to pause for a few ms every time it needs to retexture something?
 
Klom Dark
2022-12-12 8:15:26 AM  

Unmatched Brutality: Lol, every time a thread like this pops up, its full of PC nerds trying to flex unused dicks in here.


You missed the Mac nerd above. Had to brag about his shiatty m1 that crashes all the time.
 
Gubbo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-12 8:30:56 AM  

DON.MAC: I've got 32 gig in my new mac mini but could use more.  I had to send the M1 back because it kept crashing for lack of ram.  This one has been up a whole 24 days this time without crashing and I'm not impressed with its track record.  I use windows not tabs for things that still allow it and I use virtual desktops for projects. I also use fast user switching for testing.  I'll have 3 to 6 desktops and each with maybe 20 windows open.  I'll Safari as well as two to three profiles of Firefox open as well as 20 or so terminal sessions open.  I basically use it like a pair of Blits with prettier online documentation.  I figure my mac uses about the same % of memory for video backing as a C64 did.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.


I'd just ask, why?

Yeah I'm sure there's a reason that makes sense in your head.
 
AlphaG33k
2022-12-12 8:41:35 AM  
I rejoined the ranks of the dirt console peasants because of crap like this, and I don't want Windows touching any of my pc's.

Spend $2k on a video card every 2 years or so, or pay $600 for a console with an average lifetime of 5-7 years, almost 10 between generations.
 
Jumpthruhoops
2022-12-12 8:46:15 AM  
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TTFK
2022-12-12 8:49:47 AM  

aleister_greynight: It's just emulating the PS environment, instead of being a real port isn't it?  32GB of ram is farking ridiculous.


Thanks for indicating that you didn't actually read the article.
 
Nimbull
2022-12-12 8:51:37 AM  
Got a great deal on 64gb of ram DDR4 3200 when i was building my 5000 series AMD system. At some point in the build process sometimes things are so cheap you say, "Why not?"
 
aarond12
2022-12-12 8:52:15 AM  
64GB in my desktop; 32GB in my laptop. Bring it on!
 
thrasherrr
2022-12-12 8:57:56 AM  

akallen404: Concrete Donkey: Man, can you guys imagine what it would be like in a world where processing power was used to increase the complexity of the games AI instead of always being wasted on graphics

This.

Most of the stupid bullshiat we have to put up with these days -- half finished buggy games with broken/missing/canceled features -- is mostly studios trying to get games to run at 4K at 60fps reliably on systems that are in no way optimized for that.


It's really easy: stop doing all the motion blur and lighting nonsense that contributes nothing.
 
Marcos P
2022-12-12 8:59:11 AM  

69gnarkill69: Damn. I remember going from 32 to 64 mb of ram on my old pc.


I went from 2 to 4 so I could experience doom in all its glory...
 
Marcos P
2022-12-12 8:59:42 AM  
I never heard of this game but it's cool that they are putting more console games on pc
 
SpaceMonkey-66 [TotalFark]
2022-12-12 9:01:02 AM  

Nimbull: Got a great deal on 64gb of ram DDR4 3200 when i was building my 5000 series AMD system. At some point in the build process sometimes things are so cheap you say, "Why not?"


That was a key factor for my buying 64 gig ram last weekend......
 
I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-12-12 9:02:17 AM  
I have 40 in my computer....because it had 8GB, I added 32...and the other 8 still worked so why not.
 
Kar98
2022-12-12 9:26:12 AM  
I've had 32 gigs of DDR4 in my mild gaming laptop for years. And yes, I remember upgrading the RAM from 8MB of FPM to 32MB in my good ole 486 DX2 66.
 
Kar98
2022-12-12 9:27:54 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Man, can you guys imagine what it would be like in a world where processing power was used to increase the complexity of the games AI instead of always being wasted on graphics


Why not both?
 
akallen404
2022-12-12 9:28:14 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: I have 40 in my computer....because it had 8GB, I added 32...and the other 8 still worked so why not.


But... but... That's not what of the sacred numbers, though. And... the things don't match in pairs. And... you're not asposed to do that!

This is wrong! This is heresy!
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