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2022-12-09 3:27:59 PM  
Smells like Russia.
 
2022-12-09 3:57:22 PM  
Serbia: The Real Little Russia
 
2022-12-09 4:21:49 PM  
"Ooops.. we dropped a tiny nuke on Serbia. Sorry bout that."
 
2022-12-09 4:22:27 PM  

Breaker Moran: Serbia: The Real Little Russia


Don't make Vladimir jealous.
 
2022-12-09 4:32:13 PM  
Get ready to Balkanize like it is 1999

I always knew that the '80s and '90s are simply going to repeat themselves until the heat death of the universe.

No one wants to relive anything from 2000 onwards.
 
2022-12-09 4:42:17 PM  
It's.
 
2022-12-09 4:43:24 PM  

bostonguy: Get ready to Balkanize like it is 1999

I always knew that the '80s and '90s are simply going to repeat themselves until the heat death of the universe.

No one wants to relive anything from 2000 onwards.


The Balkans have always been at war. It's unusual when they aren't.
 
2022-12-09 4:47:19 PM  
Hold on I got this:

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2022-12-09 4:52:05 PM  

bostonguy: Get ready to Balkanize like it is 1999

I always knew that the '80s and '90s are simply going to repeat themselves until the heat death of the universe.

No one wants to relive anything from 2000 onwards.


I kinda liked 2012. It was a pretty good year for me. 2013 wasn't too bad either.
 
2022-12-09 4:52:24 PM  
Can I whine about Clinton wagging the dog, too?
 
2022-12-09 4:54:04 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Can I whine about Clinton wagging the dog, too?


You can ALWAYS whine about Clin-ton.
 
2022-12-09 4:54:15 PM  
I do not want there to be a European nuclear exchange in this year's bingo card. This is some kind of destabilization strategy that will attempt to divide and disrupt NATO.
 
2022-12-09 4:54:52 PM  

Nintenfreak: Hold on I got this:

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Tuva or bust!
 
2022-12-09 5:00:21 PM  

leviosaurus: It's.


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2022-12-09 5:00:25 PM  
Serbs being assholes? They really need to find a new act.
 
2022-12-09 5:00:36 PM  

AtomPeepers: I do not want there to be a European nuclear exchange in this year's bingo card. This is some kind of destabilization strategy that will attempt to divide and disrupt NATO.


Da! And who be wantink that? Relax comrade, sip tea.
 
2022-12-09 5:01:08 PM  
I was wounded in the balkans.

OWW!
 
2022-12-09 5:02:01 PM  
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2022-12-09 5:02:31 PM  

WordsnCollision: I was wounded in the balkans.

OWW!


Shouldn't it be:

Owwwwwww, my balkans!!
 
2022-12-09 5:02:51 PM  
Franz Ferdinand - Walk Away (Official Video)
Youtube Z1qPnSZDrAQ
 
2022-12-09 5:03:48 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Nintenfreak: Hold on I got this:

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Tuva or bust!


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2022-12-09 5:09:24 PM  
Time to make Belgrade a boom town again.

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2022-12-09 5:09:29 PM  
Farking Serbia. What a bunch of twats.
 
2022-12-09 5:10:18 PM  
The few friends I have from the Balkans are nearly all Serbian - refugees to the US or Sweden from the early 90s. So it pains me to say that the Serbs are the main assholes and aggressors of the region.
Every side has their nationalistic dickheads, but Serbia, man...
 
2022-12-09 5:10:29 PM  
Time to go

Peter Schilling - Major Tom (Coming Home) (Official Video)
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2022-12-09 5:20:24 PM  
NATO has stated multiple times this year that they would unequivocally defend Kosovo, so...
 
2022-12-09 5:23:46 PM  
It really is time to partition Kosovo. North Kosovo - including North Mitrovica - should be made part of Serbia.

It would basically recognize what's been happening on the ground since the war ended. It won't end the territorial claims of the two states, but it would separate the actual people on the ground who do not want to be governed by the other entity, and thus end the main reason for violence.
 
2022-12-09 5:28:31 PM  
Russia if you launch the whole world will launch on you and glass Moscow. And I guarantee that the rest of the world has more functional nukes than Russia.

/Stewardship
 
2022-12-09 5:29:51 PM  

The Bestest: NATO has stated multiple times this year that they would unequivocally defend Kosovo, so...


is it bad that when I came in here hearing about Balkanization, I just assumed it was about Russia?
 
2022-12-09 5:33:46 PM  
Croatia just handled the Brazilians, looks like they'll have to handle the Serbians again next.
 
2022-12-09 5:35:33 PM  

NewportBarGuy: "Ooops.. we dropped a tiny nuke on Serbia. Sorry bout that."


And nothing of value was lost...
 
2022-12-09 5:35:36 PM  

leviosaurus: bostonguy: Get ready to Balkanize like it is 1999

I always knew that the '80s and '90s are simply going to repeat themselves until the heat death of the universe.

No one wants to relive anything from 2000 onwards.

The Balkans have always been at war. It's unusual when they aren't.


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Ain't no f'n around on my watch
 
2022-12-09 5:37:38 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Can I whine about Clinton wagging the dog, too?


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2022-12-09 5:39:20 PM  

leviosaurus: bostonguy: Get ready to Balkanize like it is 1999

I always knew that the '80s and '90s are simply going to repeat themselves until the heat death of the universe.

No one wants to relive anything from 2000 onwards.

The Balkans have always been at war. It's unusual when they aren't.


I know you mean well, but that narrative has been actively pushed by Moscow and Belgrade to their advantage.

Moscow used to rule the USSR, and has been harassing and attacking their neighbors ever since the dissolution under the guise of protecting ethnic Russians.

Belgrade used to rule Yugoslavia, and has been harassing attacking their neighbors ever since the dissolution under the guise of protecting ethnic Serbs.

It's that simple. The Balkans are not inherently doomed to war, and the people living there are just as deserving of a peaceful life without subjugation as Ukrainians, Georgians, Kazakhs, or whoever else Moscow and Belgrade decide to attack next.
 
2022-12-09 5:43:35 PM  

neaorin: It really is time to partition Kosovo. North Kosovo - including North Mitrovica - should be made part of Serbia.

It would basically recognize what's been happening on the ground since the war ended. It won't end the territorial claims of the two states, but it would separate the actual people on the ground who do not want to be governed by the other entity, and thus end the main reason for violence.


You're right.
The side that was massacred in an ethnic cleansing by a sadistic brutal madman should totally give up parts of their country.
F*ck the f*ck right off.
Tagged your dumb ass.
 
2022-12-09 5:44:37 PM  

surrounded by assholes: Croatia just handled the Brazilians, looks like they'll have to handle the Serbians again next.


The Croatians are somewhat less genocidal.
 
2022-12-09 5:48:02 PM  
 
2022-12-09 5:49:54 PM  

Maud Dib: neaorin: It really is time to partition Kosovo. North Kosovo - including North Mitrovica - should be made part of Serbia.

It would basically recognize what's been happening on the ground since the war ended. It won't end the territorial claims of the two states, but it would separate the actual people on the ground who do not want to be governed by the other entity, and thus end the main reason for violence.

You're right.
The side that was massacred in an ethnic cleansing by a sadistic brutal madman should totally give up parts of their country.


The Serbian massacres in Kosovo should entitle the Albanians to rule over the part of Kosovo that's 95%+ inhabited by ethnic Serbs? Why?
I mean, if a unilateral declaration of independence from the Kosovo leadership was acceptable on the grounds of it being the will of the people there, why should that also NOT apply to the people of North Kosovo who clearly want to be ruled by Belgrade?

Also, you might consider the fact that the principal architect of that independence, Hashim Thaci, Kosovo's first PM, is now on trial at the Hague for crimes against humanity.

F*ck the f*ck right off.

likewise
 
2022-12-09 5:51:43 PM  
I once tried reading the Wikipedia articles related to the whole mess over there and just couldn't get through it.  Everybody hates everybody else.  They're all the same farking people.  It's mind boggling.
 
2022-12-09 5:51:59 PM  

Nintenfreak: The Bestest: NATO has stated multiple times this year that they would unequivocally defend Kosovo, so...

is it bad that when I came in here hearing about Balkanization, I just assumed it was about Russia?


So yet another world war might start because of some damn fool event in the Balkans.

Seriously. Just biatchslap Serbia back to whatever era they weren't such racist, nationalistic, toady little farking pricks.
 
2022-12-09 5:56:29 PM  
I participated in stopping that genocide once, and goddamnit, I'm too old and out of shape to do it again. :(
 
2022-12-09 5:59:20 PM  

swahnhennessy: The few friends I have from the Balkans are nearly all Serbian - refugees to the US or Sweden from the early 90s. So it pains me to say that the Serbs are the main assholes and aggressors of the region.
Every side has their nationalistic dickheads, but Serbia, man...


Pretty sure it is less because Serbs are dickheads and more because Serbs were long the dominant group in that region and are pissy that they can't dominate all the other South Slavic people's any more.

In a lot of ways it is like Putin wanting to rebuild the Soviet Union or the "Christian" right wing in the US.
 
2022-12-09 6:01:33 PM  

dywed88: swahnhennessy: The few friends I have from the Balkans are nearly all Serbian - refugees to the US or Sweden from the early 90s. So it pains me to say that the Serbs are the main assholes and aggressors of the region.
Every side has their nationalistic dickheads, but Serbia, man...

Pretty sure it is less because Serbs are dickheads and more because Serbs were long the dominant group in that region and are pissy that they can't dominate all the other South Slavic people's any more.

In a lot of ways it is like Putin wanting to rebuild the Soviet Union or the "Christian" right wing in the US.


To be clear, I am not saying Serbia or Russia isn't at fault.

I am saying it isn't inherently because they are Serbian or Russian that they are problematic, but the social and political dynamics lead to it.
 
2022-12-09 6:02:10 PM  

neaorin: Maud Dib: neaorin: It really is time to partition Kosovo. North Kosovo - including North Mitrovica - should be made part of Serbia.

It would basically recognize what's been happening on the ground since the war ended. It won't end the territorial claims of the two states, but it would separate the actual people on the ground who do not want to be governed by the other entity, and thus end the main reason for violence.

You're right.
The side that was massacred in an ethnic cleansing by a sadistic brutal madman should totally give up parts of their country.

The Serbian massacres in Kosovo should entitle the Albanians to rule over the part of Kosovo that's 95%+ inhabited by ethnic Serbs? Why?
I mean, if a unilateral declaration of independence from the Kosovo leadership was acceptable on the grounds of it being the will of the people there, why should that also NOT apply to the people of North Kosovo who clearly want to be ruled by Belgrade?

Also, you might consider the fact that the principal architect of that independence, Hashim Thaci, Kosovo's first PM, is now on trial at the Hague for crimes against humanity.

F*ck the f*ck right off.

likewise


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Keep white knighting Serbia, asshole.
 
2022-12-09 6:06:29 PM  

neaorin: Maud Dib: neaorin: It really is time to partition Kosovo. North Kosovo - including North Mitrovica - should be made part of Serbia.

It would basically recognize what's been happening on the ground since the war ended. It won't end the territorial claims of the two states, but it would separate the actual people on the ground who do not want to be governed by the other entity, and thus end the main reason for violence.

You're right.
The side that was massacred in an ethnic cleansing by a sadistic brutal madman should totally give up parts of their country.

The Serbian massacres in Kosovo should entitle the Albanians to rule over the part of Kosovo that's 95%+ inhabited by ethnic Serbs? Why?
I mean, if a unilateral declaration of independence from the Kosovo leadership was acceptable on the grounds of it being the will of the people there, why should that also NOT apply to the people of North Kosovo who clearly want to be ruled by Belgrade?

Also, you might consider the fact that the principal architect of that independence, Hashim Thaci, Kosovo's first PM, is now on trial at the Hague for crimes against humanity.

F*ck the f*ck right off.

likewise


Yes, Kosovo should rule over Kosovo, because national borders are not defined by the latest census. Likewise, Mexico should continue to rule over Cancun regardless of how many Americans are present there at any given moment, and the US should not cede any of the Chinatown neighborhoods within its metropolises to the PRC.
 
2022-12-09 6:07:56 PM  

mudesi: I once tried reading the Wikipedia articles related to the whole mess over there and just couldn't get through it.  Everybody hates everybody else.  They're all the same farking people.  It's mind boggling.


Yeah, but some of them appear to be a bit more stabby??
Jebus f*cking Christ, pick up a goddamn book.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
 
2022-12-09 6:08:51 PM  

mudesi: I once tried reading the Wikipedia articles related to the whole mess over there and just couldn't get through it.  Everybody hates everybody else.  They're all the same farking people.  It's mind boggling.


Yes... and no.

Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks are basically the same people. Speak the same language, more or less. Main difference is religion and customs. They all got the nationalistic fever right when Yugoslavia began to break apart at the seams and went to war with one another to re-create Greater Serbia, Croatia etc.

But that was then. If you go to Bosnia today you'll see that most people have absolutely no issue living in the same communities with others. You'll get the vocal ultra-nationalist minority everywhere (yes, every side has one) and politicians will stoke the flames whenever it's politically convenient for them. The older generation may hold a few grudges from the war years. But other than that, nobody cares.

Albanian Kosovars however are NOT the same people as the above groups. They are, well, ethnically Albanian. They speak a completely different language than Serbs and Croats, have completely different customs.
 
2022-12-09 6:10:07 PM  
Amazing that my Farkdotcom buddy has a problem with that.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/fascism-returning-romania/
 
2022-12-09 6:14:25 PM  

Maud Dib: Keep white knighting Serbia, asshole


Nice, out of actual arguments so moving straight to the ad hominem.

Nobody's white knighting Serbia. I am on record for saying on Fark that NATO's intervention in Kosovo was completely justified. I live in the Balkans. I was at the Srebrenica memorial for the second time eight months ago. I've also been to Kosovo a few times.

All sides did very nasty things during the Yugoslav wars, but the Serbs were the worst and it's not particularly close.

This does not change the fact that, long term, the partition of Kosovo is the best solution, and also the right one. Because people in North Kosovo do not want to be part of this Kosovo, which was a good enough reason for Kosovo to no longer be a part of Serbia.
 
2022-12-09 6:15:07 PM  

Maud Dib: NewportBarGuy: "Ooops.. we dropped a tiny nuke on Serbia. Sorry bout that."

And nothing of value was lost...


I went through OSUT with a guy who spent time in a Serb concentration camp. Had scars all over his face and body. Told some insanely brutal stories. Privately, just to me in a way where you knew it was true and he was holding some stuff back. So, it wasn't that typical telling stories to pass the time.

I will always loathe the Serbs. Always.
 
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