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(The Daily Beast)   Putin's experiment with using prisoners as soldiers is turning out about as well as everyone expected, as the ex-cons realize things might not be as rosy as they were told   (thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2022-12-09 1:19:10 PM  
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2022-12-09 1:39:01 PM  
It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?
 
2022-12-09 1:54:38 PM  

NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?


Crazy, right?
 
2022-12-09 1:55:35 PM  
And having been handed firearms, they may not feel bound to fight for the side that imprisoned them.
 
2022-12-09 2:16:38 PM  

NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?


Prisoners are known for being good at maintaining military discipline & following orders, right?
 
2022-12-09 2:36:15 PM  
It's weird how people who can't follow society's rules can't follow the military's rules.
 
2022-12-09 2:37:52 PM  
You're all making fun, but it sounds to me like they are performing about as well as the rest of the Russian military.
 
2022-12-09 2:39:24 PM  
That's why you send them somewhere that they don't know the area so they have to cooperate with you for supplies.

God that's how the French foreign legion has worked for decades!
 
2022-12-09 2:41:34 PM  
They're taking prisoners out of prisons, giving them guns, and saying "go there, to the land that will not send you back to prison when this is all over and start shootin' the people with the warm cloths, refugee camps, and food!"

I may not be the military genius I play on Fark, but dammit, I think there's more than just a few hypothetical problems.
 
2022-12-09 2:46:44 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?

Prisoners are known for being good at maintaining military discipline & following orders, right?


Absolutely!!!

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2022-12-09 2:53:30 PM  
Russian inmates captured by Ukraine have now also reportedly begun begging not to be handed back over to Russia as part of any prisoner swaps, fearing they'd be executed just like Nuzhin was.

Not satisfied with tanks and artillery Russia is handing out propaganda victories
 
2022-12-09 2:55:01 PM  

NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?


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2022-12-09 2:55:17 PM  

thatboyoverthere: That's why you send them somewhere that they don't know the area so they have to cooperate with you for supplies.

God that's how the French foreign legion has worked for nearly two centuries


Ftfy
 
2022-12-09 2:57:08 PM  
Thanks paywallmitter
 
2022-12-09 2:57:12 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?

Prisoners are known for being good at maintaining military discipline & following orders, right?

Absolutely!!!

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That was such a weird farking movie.
 
2022-12-09 2:57:48 PM  

thatboyoverthere: That's why you send them somewhere that they don't know the area so they have to cooperate with you for supplies.

God that's how the French foreign legion has worked for decades!


And keep them from overthrowing the government.
 
2022-12-09 2:58:14 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?

Prisoners are known for being good at maintaining military discipline & following orders, right?

Absolutely!!!

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The skinheads, by contrast, claim to be fundamentally ideological. They exist as a political entity dedicated, they say, to organizing to fight the big war, the race war, which will reassert white political dominance in the world. They therefore take the public position that they do not approve of drugs, and they try to foster the image that they are serious warriors, that they keep their minds clean and spirits pure by reading Nietzsche and Sun Tzu and Machiavelli, and that their bodies arehighly trained fighting machines that will kill the enemy without a second thought. Every afternoon you can see them marching around the yard in locked step, their polished boots gleaming in the baking sun, with "SKINHEAD" tattooed on their foreheads and "SHAVED FOR WAR" carved on the backs of their skulls and encircling swastikas made up of interlocking axe handles. I used to wonder why skinheads made such a fuss over insisting that whites fold their clothes in a specific way and display them on their shelves. The party line is that we do this because other races look to us as setting the standard, and it is therefore our burden to do so. But I finally figured out the real reason: the skinheads want the whites to appear totally disciplined, a tight fighting unit ready to spring into war at the drop of a hat. Uniforms that are folded and pressed maintain this posture.


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2022-12-09 2:58:14 PM  

chitownmike: thatboyoverthere: That's why you send them somewhere that they don't know the area so they have to cooperate with you for supplies.

God that's how the French foreign legion has worked for nearly two centuries

Ftfy

Honneur et Fidélité

 
2022-12-09 2:58:32 PM  
Twenty bucks on:  Russian leadership knows it's about to collapse, and doesn't want their own psychopaths on the street killing govt and oligarchs, so they emergency shipped them all away under any pretense they could think of
 
2022-12-09 3:00:11 PM  

anuran: Russian inmates captured by Ukraine have now also reportedly begun begging not to be handed back over to Russia as part of any prisoner swaps, fearing they'd be executed just like Nuzhin was.

Not satisfied with tanks and artillery Russia is handing out propaganda victories


Criminals who fight for Russia get screwed over when the war is done

Well another way to put it, is that they go from one war to another
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/biatch_Wars
 
2022-12-09 3:01:34 PM  

dionysusaur: And having been handed firearms, they may not feel bound to fight for the side that imprisoned them.


To be fair, it's not like the Ukrainians want them, either.  Both countries have a Group W bench.
 
2022-12-09 3:02:52 PM  
So, Mr. Murderovski, you can either stay here, starving in Russian prison or go rape and murder people in Ukraine. Just think of it like a food/clothing optional resort, type of situation.
 
2022-12-09 3:05:20 PM  
Man, that is some hyperventilating prose:

Russia's most deranged gambit in its war against Ukraine is rapidly turning into a crisis as military leaders lose control over the prison inmates freed in exchange for a stint on the battlefield.
About 20 armed inmates fled from the frontline in occupied Donetsk in recent days
...

You really think this is Russia's most deranged gambit?  And is 20 conscripts going AWOL really a crisis?
 
2022-12-09 3:07:37 PM  
They should try mental patients next.
 
2022-12-09 3:09:04 PM  

thehobbes: NewportBarGuy: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?

Prisoners are known for being good at maintaining military discipline & following orders, right?

Absolutely!!!

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That was such a weird farking movie.


Everyone involved did that one for the paycheck and you can tell.
 
2022-12-09 3:12:16 PM  
A lot of our boys were given the jail or Vietnam choice back in the day. I'll have to check if anyone's done a long-term study on the outcome.
 
2022-12-09 3:14:34 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: A lot of our boys were given the jail or Vietnam choice back in the day. I'll have to check if anyone's done a long-term study on the outcome.


Besides this, of course...

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2022-12-09 3:19:09 PM  

NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?


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2022-12-09 3:19:12 PM  

spongeboob: The skinheads, by contrast, claim to be fundamentally ideological. They exist as a political entity dedicated, they say, to organizing to fight the big war, the race war, which will reassert white political dominance in the world. They therefore take the public position that they do not approve of drugs, and they try to foster the image that they are serious warriors, that they keep their minds clean and spirits pure by reading Nietzsche and Sun Tzu and Machiavelli, and that their bodies arehighly trained fighting machines that will kill the enemy without a second thought. Every afternoon you can see them marching around the yard in locked step, their polished boots gleaming in the baking sun, with "SKINHEAD" tattooed on their foreheads and "SHAVED FOR WAR" carved on the backs of their skulls and encircling swastikas made up of interlocking axe handles. I used to wonder why skinheads made such a fuss over insisting that whites fold their clothes in a specific way and display them on their shelves. The party line is that we do this because other races look to us as setting the standard, and it is therefore our burden to do so. But I finally figured out the real reason: the skinheads want the whites to appear totally disciplined, a tight fighting unit ready to spring into war at the drop of a hat. Uniforms that are folded and pressed maintain this posture.


Yeah, really interesting how skinheads being mostly Caucasian won't fight for people of the Caucuses.
 
2022-12-09 3:22:48 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: A lot of our boys were given the jail or Vietnam choice back in the day. I'll have to check if anyone's done a long-term study on the outcome.


The Iraq surge years did lots of damage to the US Army's NCO Corps.

Lowered standards to get in. Those who could got out, those with no other options due to aptitude/records stayed in.
 
2022-12-09 3:23:05 PM  

NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?


Also, totally willing to fight along side this crazy:

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/admit it: it would be the best sex you would ever have in your life.
 
2022-12-09 3:25:00 PM  
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2022-12-09 3:26:34 PM  

DuneClimber: They should try mental patients next.


That's a crazy idea.
 
2022-12-09 3:29:44 PM  

submarinepatents: spongeboob: The skinheads, by contrast, claim to be fundamentally ideological. They exist as a political entity dedicated, they say, to organizing to fight the big war, the race war, which will reassert white political dominance in the world. They therefore take the public position that they do not approve of drugs, and they try to foster the image that they are serious warriors, that they keep their minds clean and spirits pure by reading Nietzsche and Sun Tzu and Machiavelli, and that their bodies arehighly trained fighting machines that will kill the enemy without a second thought. Every afternoon you can see them marching around the yard in locked step, their polished boots gleaming in the baking sun, with "SKINHEAD" tattooed on their foreheads and "SHAVED FOR WAR" carved on the backs of their skulls and encircling swastikas made up of interlocking axe handles. I used to wonder why skinheads made such a fuss over insisting that whites fold their clothes in a specific way and display them on their shelves. The party line is that we do this because other races look to us as setting the standard, and it is therefore our burden to do so. But I finally figured out the real reason: the skinheads want the whites to appear totally disciplined, a tight fighting unit ready to spring into war at the drop of a hat. Uniforms that are folded and pressed maintain this posture.

Yeah, really interesting how skinheads being mostly Caucasian won't fight for people of the Caucuses.


Nah my point was that you could probably get some good troops from prison but you would need to be very selective
And more importantly give them a reason to fight, the Skins would probably fight for 14 words
 
2022-12-09 3:32:33 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: A lot of our boys were given the jail or Vietnam choice back in the day. I'll have to check if anyone's done a long-term study on the outcome.


There was also the boys who woukd have been turned down but McNamara was sure videotapes could be used to turn ANYONE into a soldier

This is a real thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000
 
2022-12-09 3:34:13 PM  
Putin deserves a polonium enema
 
2022-12-09 3:34:43 PM  
FTFA: The public sledgehammer-execution of Wagner defector Yevgeny Nuzhin last month certainly didn't help matters,

Well, that's horrifying. This is ostensibly a modern, peer, nation. They have a seat on the UN security council.

They should be designated a terrorist state. Apparently even broken clock Lindsey Graham gets this, and Biden does not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Sponsors_of_Terrorism_(U.S._list)#Russia
 
2022-12-09 3:35:47 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: A lot of our boys were given the jail or Vietnam choice back in the day. I'll have to check if anyone's done a long-term study on the outcome.


Sarah Palin's eldest son was given the choice of prison or the Army.
 
2022-12-09 3:36:02 PM  
NO! Really?
 
2022-12-09 3:43:53 PM  

NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?



Hollywood. America's Secret DisInfomation Weapon.

Hiding in plain sight at a theatre near you

 
2022-12-09 3:44:26 PM  
Don't try this at home kids. Donald Tump:  THIS MEANS YOU!
 
2022-12-09 3:44:59 PM  

FLMountainMan: Man, that is some hyperventilating prose:

Russia's most deranged gambit in its war against Ukraine is rapidly turning into a crisis as military leaders lose control over the prison inmates freed in exchange for a stint on the battlefield.
About 20 armed inmates fled from the frontline in occupied Donetsk in recent days...

You really think this is Russia's most deranged gambit?  And is 20 conscripts going AWOL really a crisis?


If Russia is admitting 20, the real number is much higher.

And 20 people from the wrong place abandoning their post can be huge.

But, yeah, it is pretty hyperbolic. It also is hardly unique to Russia and now. Recruitment from prisons and/or giving convicts the choice of prison or the military has been quite common for centuries. But you probably want to either put them in specific units that are heavily controlled or spread out such that individuals cannot coordinate and they are effectively watched by those around them.

/Ukraine should be advertising how their POW camps are much better than Russian prisons
 
2022-12-09 3:45:00 PM  
Happy "Frag Your Commanding Officer Month" to all Russian convict-soldiers who celebrate.
 
2022-12-09 3:45:42 PM  
The Polonium tea is coming from inside the office kitchen!
 
2022-12-09 3:47:51 PM  

DuneClimber: They should try mental patients next.


I just had a great idea what to do with Trump voters.
 
2022-12-09 3:50:10 PM  

brantgoose: Don't try this at home kids. Donald Tump:  THIS MEANS YOU!


Drink!
 
2022-12-09 3:50:23 PM  

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Now remade as Inglorious Bastids.

Porno Title: Glory Hole Bastards
 
2022-12-09 3:50:53 PM  

Fooshards: Twenty bucks on:  Russian leadership knows it's about to collapse, and doesn't want their own psychopaths on the street killing govt and oligarchs, so they emergency shipped them all away under any pretense they could think of


The Chinese have to be salivating at the though of simply storming north and taking all of Siberia as "greater China"  It's worth to be condemned for a generation - you have the land forever.  Russia can't fight China, and no one one in the West will help.  In fact, if China promised Taiwan sovereignty, most of the West would be like "Ok.  Farae Naturae and Manifest Destiny."

Imagine all of the work that would occur for China to bid out contracts for Japan, Korea, the EU, and the US/Canada technology to discover all the untapped mineral resources there during the next 20 years.  Russia has squandered an opportunity over the last century to reveal the third-to-last bastion of mineral resources on the planet.  They'll still be huge, but their 144 MM will be more like 110MM and reduced by half.
 
2022-12-09 3:54:39 PM  

submarinepatents: NewportBarGuy: It worked in the movie. Are you telling me movies are not accurate?

Also, totally willing to fight along side this crazy:

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/admit it: it would be the best sex you would ever have in your life.


Best or last?
 
2022-12-09 3:55:45 PM  

spongeboob: Garza and the Supermutants: A lot of our boys were given the jail or Vietnam choice back in the day. I'll have to check if anyone's done a long-term study on the outcome.

There was also the boys who woukd have been turned down but McNamara was sure videotapes could be used to turn ANYONE into a soldier

This is a real thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000


JFC, I'm getting Starship Trooper vibes from that, but real people died. McNamera's feature length interview in The Fog of War documentary is one of the most tragic and morbidly fascinating things I've ever seen.
 
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