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(MLive.com)   Today we learn that wet hay can spontaneously combust   (mlive.com) divider line
    More: Strange, Jackson County, Michigan, JACKSON COUNTY, Hay, Blackman-Leoni Department of Public Safety, Wet hay, pole barn, Townships in Michigan, east of Jackson  
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2755 clicks; posted to Main » on 09 Dec 2022 at 1:50 PM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-12-09 1:37:09 PM  
Best way to put it out is kerosene, too
DRTFA
 
2022-12-09 1:52:28 PM  
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2022-12-09 1:53:24 PM  
There is no such thing as spontaneous combustion.  all combustion is a process.

no.  wet hay decomposes and creates heat and methane.  if it gets hot enough the methane ignites.
 
2022-12-09 1:53:35 PM  
Learned this as a kid from my father...  I thought everyone knew?
 
2022-12-09 1:54:05 PM  
The effect is well known.

You can't put up wet hay.
 
2022-12-09 1:54:43 PM  
 That's why you leave it on the ground for 2-5 days before bailing.  Unless there's rain in the forecast.
 
2022-12-09 1:55:32 PM  

studebaker hoch: The effect is well known.

You can't put up wet hay.


That there headline was probably writ by one of them Fark city folks.
 
2022-12-09 1:55:42 PM  
If anyone was arrested for this, I hope they make bale.
 
2022-12-09 1:56:44 PM  

Steakzilla: Learned this as a kid from my father...  I thought everyone knew?


I mean, there are people that not only believe but will argue with you that the earth is actually flat. Then mumble something about the firmament as they shuffle off, convinced they just "red pilled" another person.
 
2022-12-09 1:56:47 PM  
I grew up on a farm, so I've always known this, same as every other farmer.
 
2022-12-09 1:58:22 PM  

tom baker's scarf: There is no such thing as spontaneous combustion.  all combustion is a process.



Gosh, how insightful

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2022-12-09 1:58:36 PM  
Yes, most livestock farmers know that.  I know that is hard to believe, but Science is surprising sometimes, Subby.
 
2022-12-09 1:58:55 PM  

tom baker's scarf: There is no such thing as spontaneous combustion.  all combustion is a process.

no.  wet hay decomposes and creates heat and methane.  if it gets hot enough the methane ignites.


Sounds like you explained spontaneous combustion just now.  Dry hay will not spontaneous combust.  Hay that is already wet could.

spontaneous : performed or occurring as a result of a sudden inner impulse or inclination and without premeditation or external stimulus.
 
2022-12-09 1:59:02 PM  
I thought this was common knowledge...
 
2022-12-09 1:59:06 PM  
Yep, not exactly breaking news
 
2022-12-09 2:00:43 PM  

tom baker's scarf: There is no such thing as spontaneous combustion.  all combustion is a process.



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2022-12-09 2:01:07 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: If anyone was arrested for this, I hope they make bale.


Meh - farm kids probably didn't load the barn with wet hay, so if anyone got arrested, it's likely their fodder. At least he's financially stable; shouldn't be too hard to forage for a bondsman to help drum up some legal tedder for bale.
 
2022-12-09 2:02:37 PM  

FormlessOne: Madman drummers bummers: If anyone was arrested for this, I hope they make bale.

Meh - farm kids probably didn't load the barn with wet hay, so if anyone got arrested, it's likely their fodder. At least he's financially stable; shouldn't be too hard to forage for a bondsman to help drum up some legal tedder for bale.


What are you twine to say exactly? Winnow someone's responsible.
 
2022-12-09 2:03:26 PM  

tom baker's scarf: There is no such thing as spontaneous combustion.  all combustion is a process.

no.  wet hay decomposes and creates heat and methane.  if it gets hot enough the methane ignites.


Yep.  Apparently, a bit of salt between the layers of hay bales also helps prevent decomposition as well.  I learned that when I was about 6 years old and I asked my grandpa why he was tossing salt around the hay mow.
 
2022-12-09 2:07:11 PM  
Fire of Unknown Origin
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2022-12-09 2:07:35 PM  
The lesson here is don't store your hay wet. Dry it out before you put it away and then store it in a cool, dry location. Preferably air conditioned with a dehumidifier for extra protection against spontaneous combustion. Maybe your living room, bedroom, or your truck cab if you leave the A/C running. If you want to be absolutely protected against the dangers of fire from wet hay vacuum seal it, put it in a box, and FedEx it a desert area like New Mexico or Arizona. It might be expensive but your pole barn will be safe.
 
2022-12-09 2:08:16 PM  
No. I did not learn that today.
 
2022-12-09 2:10:10 PM  
A compost pile creates heat
News, at 11.
 
2022-12-09 2:11:48 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: FormlessOne: Madman drummers bummers: If anyone was arrested for this, I hope they make bale.

Meh - farm kids probably didn't load the barn with wet hay, so if anyone got arrested, it's likely their fodder. At least he's financially stable; shouldn't be too hard to forage for a bondsman to help drum up some legal tedder for bale.

What are you twine to say exactly? Winnow someone's responsible.


I'm saying that someone forked around and found out.
 
2022-12-09 2:13:17 PM  

Steakzilla: Learned this as a kid from my father...  I thought everyone knew?


As a lifelong city slicker, I had no idea.
 
2022-12-09 2:19:21 PM  

giantmeteor: Steakzilla: Learned this as a kid from my father...  I thought everyone knew?

As a lifelong city slicker, I had no idea.


I've seen the same thing happening in a suburban trash can full of green lawn clippings.

Didn't catch fire but was creating a nice smoke cloud.
 
2022-12-09 2:22:58 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: If anyone was arrested for this, I hope they make bale.


This is very important to remember because you never should put up wet hay.
Especially not with round bales because you have to make sure the cows get a square meal.
 
2022-12-09 2:26:36 PM  
Next up for subby, milled, air borne, flour dust.  Explosive news pending.
 
2022-12-09 2:29:10 PM  
CSB: When I was stationed in Germany, I witnessed a car battery sitting next to a wood fence, when it was very foggy, set the fence on fire. Pretty sure it was a combination of moisture and the battery off gassing. It was a pretty fascinating thing to witness.
 
2022-12-09 2:29:33 PM  
Learn?
 
2022-12-09 2:30:48 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: studebaker hoch: The effect is well known.

You can't put up wet hay.

That there headline was probably writ by one of them Fark city folks.


Or someone who never had to fight a barn fire
 
2022-12-09 2:31:56 PM  

tsjonesosu: CSB: When I was stationed in Germany, I witnessed a car battery sitting next to a wood fence, when it was very foggy, set the fence on fire. Pretty sure it was a combination of moisture and the battery off gassing. It was a pretty fascinating thing to witness.


A heavily sulfated battery can get HOT.

And smelly
 
2022-12-09 2:33:29 PM  

Steakzilla: Learned this as a kid from my father...  I thought everyone knew?


Why would you think everyone knows this?
 
2022-12-09 2:33:42 PM  

Armchair_Invective: Yes, most livestock farmers know that.  I know that is hard to believe, but Science is surprising sometimes, Subby.


I remember going out to the granaries with my grandfather in damp weather.  He had a stick that he shoved deep into the grain to make sure it wasn't heating up down there, as granaries had been known to go up in flames.

If you lay down a big enough pile of grass clippings and let it sit for a while, you can see the process in action.  Stick a pitchfork down into it and flip over the top after a week or so; it'll steam like nobody's business and the heat on your face is quite surprising.
 
2022-12-09 2:39:53 PM  

rockymountainrider: Next up for subby, milled, air borne, flour dust.  Explosive news pending.


When I was a youngin, we had a meet & greet after church services where they would have coffee & punch out for people to grab. One of the things that was out with the coffee was individual sized packages of Coffemate™ powdered creamer packages. Of course one of the older boys taught the younger ones that if you go outside with a couple packets, open them and sprinkle the creamer over an open flame, you get a nice big flame that goes where the wind goes. Church was a little more fun after that.

/This was late 70's early 80's
//When it was fashionable to wear onions on our belts
///As was the custom at the time
 
2022-12-09 2:51:48 PM  

Heamer: Steakzilla: Learned this as a kid from my father...  I thought everyone knew?

Why would you think everyone knows this?


The same reason subby thought nobody knew it. I've known this since I was a little kid because I had multiple uncles that raised cattle.
 
2022-12-09 2:55:13 PM  
 Compost pile is working
 
2022-12-09 2:57:40 PM  

Steakzilla: Learned this as a kid from my father...  I thought everyone knew?


Ditto.  It's one reason you don't want to harvest it and roll or bail it up when it's too green.
 
2022-12-09 3:00:11 PM  
Hay now, hay now, don't dream, it's over, hay now, hay now....
 
2022-12-09 3:02:57 PM  

FormlessOne: Madman drummers bummers: If anyone was arrested for this, I hope they make bale.

Meh - farm kids probably didn't load the barn with wet hay, so if anyone got arrested, it's likely their fodder. At least he's financially stable; shouldn't be too hard to forage for a bondsman to help drum up some legal tedder for bale.


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2022-12-09 3:04:47 PM  
Damn straight it can!

I learned that back on the farm, when I was seven.  Hay that is not dry can and will mold, and generate heat.  A big haymow full can and has started many a barn fire.

This is why, after you mow the hay, you go over it with a conditioner (crusher) to crack the stems so it dries faster.  Then you let it dry for a few days before you rake it and bale it, and you hope like hell it gets dry enough to bale and bring in before Murphy sends a rain storm your way.
 
2022-12-09 3:06:05 PM  

studebaker hoch: giantmeteor: Steakzilla: Learned this as a kid from my father...  I thought everyone knew?

As a lifelong city slicker, I had no idea.

I've seen the same thing happening in a suburban trash can full of green lawn clippings.

Didn't catch fire but was creating a nice smoke cloud.


Same with leaves as well, under the right conditions.
 
2022-12-09 3:07:31 PM  
Yes, one must be careful around hay

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2022-12-09 3:10:07 PM  

IRestoreFurniture: studebaker hoch: giantmeteor: Steakzilla: Learned this as a kid from my father...  I thought everyone knew?

As a lifelong city slicker, I had no idea.

I've seen the same thing happening in a suburban trash can full of green lawn clippings.

Didn't catch fire but was creating a nice smoke cloud.

Same with leaves as well, under the right conditions.


And grass clippings
 
2022-12-09 3:10:32 PM  
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2022-12-09 3:15:05 PM  
Silly city slicker subby.

We go check the hay barn with a thermal scope the next day after loading it. It's wild how hot even properly dried and conditioned hay can get.
 
2022-12-09 3:17:03 PM  
For those that really learned that today, loop up what can happen with a gas soaked rag.
 
2022-12-09 3:19:19 PM  

studebaker hoch: The effect is well known.

You can't put up wet hay.


Still better put some air gaps between the bales
 
2022-12-09 3:20:23 PM  
All the definitions of "make hay while the sun shines" believe it's some sort of metaphor.  In reality, it's meant to be taken literally to prevent your barn from burning down.

Farmers in general aren't given to making poetic metaphors about life.  If there's a saying it's because something bad happened and they wanted to remember it.
 
2022-12-09 3:20:26 PM  

rockymountainrider: Next up for subby, milled, air borne, flour dust.  Explosive news pending.


non-dairy coffee creamer powder blows up real purdy too.
 
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