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2022-12-09 9:25:56 AM  
How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?
 
2022-12-09 11:30:42 AM  
You could do that since The Force Unleashed, for what it's worth.
Hell, I'm pretty sure you could do that in Dark Forces (or maybe Dark Forces 2) in 1995!
 
2022-12-09 11:33:44 AM  

buntz: You could do that since The Force Unleashed, for what it's worth.
Hell, I'm pretty sure you could do that in Dark Forces (or maybe Dark Forces 2) in 1995!


Hell, I'm 99% sure you could do that in the first game. I know you could pick up low level storm troopers and choke them and throw them around. Maybe even get lucky and block a couple blaster shots with their bodies as they float around.
 
2022-12-09 11:38:09 AM  
In Lego Star Wars: Skywalker Sage, in most battles, you don't need to use your lightsaber, as chucking guys and pieces of the landscape at your enemies is so much more effective and fun. Lightsabers are useful for cutting through stuff, but do you know what's even better? Telekinesis and force push.

/One of the best non-Bioware SW games I've played.
 
2022-12-09 11:40:14 AM  
I didn't find Fallen Order to be that good, doubt I'll spend time/money on this unless it gets some stellar reviews
 
2022-12-09 11:42:09 AM  
I loved the first game, but please no more slide segments.  They're just glorified quicktime events.  Miss one thing and you have to backtrack a ways and try all over a gain.
 
2022-12-09 11:43:22 AM  

buntz: You could do that since The Force Unleashed, for what it's worth.
Hell, I'm pretty sure you could do that in Dark Forces (or maybe Dark Forces 2) in 1995!


Yeah but half the time you'd grab something out of view off to your left instead of the stormtrooper right in front of you.
 
2022-12-09 11:45:07 AM  

Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?


What would make it Star Wars?

Seriously, the Force is the defining characteristic of Star Wars. Magic is real there. It would be like playing Dungeons and Dragons except that there is no magic. No wizards or clerics. Everybody is just fighter / thief types against non-magical NPCs and monsters. You could do it, but why?
 
2022-12-09 11:46:34 AM  

NeoCortex42: I loved the first game, but please no more slide segments.  They're just glorified quicktime events.  Miss one thing and you have to backtrack a ways and try all over a gain.


And more fights with local beasties.  The rare hunts were a highlight for me.
 
2022-12-09 11:46:49 AM  

NeoCortex42: I loved the first game, but please no more slide segments.  They're just glorified quicktime events.  Miss one thing and you have to backtrack a ways and try all over a gain.


I never finished it. Got bored with the pointless 'find X' segments.
 
2022-12-09 11:48:34 AM  

madgonad: Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?

What would make it Star Wars?

Seriously, the Force is the defining characteristic of Star Wars. Magic is real there. It would be like playing Dungeons and Dragons except that there is no magic. No wizards or clerics. Everybody is just fighter / thief types against non-magical NPCs and monsters. You could do it, but why?


There was that Clone Trooper squad game that was pretty well received when it came out.  No Force powers there.  The first Dark Forces game had none.

If it was the 90s or early 2000s, we'd absolutely have a The Mandalorian licensed game by now that probably wouldn't have Force powers.

There's plenty of ways to do a good Star Wars game without having the Force or Jedi.  Focusing on Jedi just makes it much easier to have more video gamey abilities available.
 
2022-12-09 11:50:09 AM  

Flappyhead: NeoCortex42: I loved the first game, but please no more slide segments.  They're just glorified quicktime events.  Miss one thing and you have to backtrack a ways and try all over a gain.

And more fights with local beasties.  The rare hunts were a highlight for me.


Those were great.  I remember one of the first real skill checks I ran into being wandering into a cave and suddenly getting my ass handed to me by a giant frog.

The local beasties definitely added some good variety compared to just Stormtroopers and other Empire soldiers.
 
2022-12-09 11:50:40 AM  

Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?


"Andor"? The fanbois would revolt.
 
2022-12-09 11:50:53 AM  
Hopefully they'll get away from the Dark Souls gameplay which I find incredibly frustrating.
 
2022-12-09 11:51:25 AM  

luidprand: In Lego Star Wars: Skywalker Sage, in most battles, you don't need to use your lightsaber, as chucking guys and pieces of the landscape at your enemies is so much more effective and fun. Lightsabers are useful for cutting through stuff, but do you know what's even better? Telekinesis and force push.

/One of the best non-Bioware SW games I've played.


Why Vader bothered gesturing and choking when he could have just given a Force-swirly directly to grey matter, I don't know.

It'd even be more intimidating to witnesses.
 
2022-12-09 11:52:48 AM  

madgonad: Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?

What would make it Star Wars?

Seriously, the Force is the defining characteristic of Star Wars. Magic is real there. It would be like playing Dungeons and Dragons except that there is no magic. No wizards or clerics. Everybody is just fighter / thief types against non-magical NPCs and monsters. You could do it, but why?


Yeah, I agree. Absent the force, Star Wars is pretty generic science fiction. I get that the old EU and Disney both pushed force users and lightsabers a little too much and everyone feels a bit burned, but let's not swing that pendulum too far.
 
2022-12-09 11:52:48 AM  

Snapper Carr: Hopefully they'll get away from the Dark Souls gameplay which I find incredibly frustrating.


Git gud, n00b
 
2022-12-09 11:53:15 AM  
I just want a Jedi game without the jumping puzzles and contrived map exploration.
 
2022-12-09 12:00:43 PM  

Chemlight Battery: Yeah, I agree. Absent the force, Star Wars is pretty generic science fiction. I get that the old EU and Disney both pushed force users and lightsabers a little too much and everyone feels a bit burned, but let's not swing that pendulum too far.


Without the Force it is fighting Nazis with laser guns and space ships. Nothing wrong with that, but it gets clunky. Could The Mandalorian have gained such a following without Groku? Doubtful. It would have been more Book of Boba Fett (which sucked ass).
 
2022-12-09 12:21:22 PM  

Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?


I'd love a Far Cry like game playing as a rebel scout or something, it'd be a ton of fun.

As for this game, I'm looking forwards to it. The first was a really solid metroidvania with lightsabers, and I love both of those things.
 
2022-12-09 12:28:17 PM  

Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?


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It had everything, though eventually Jedi/Sith were earned.

/RIP
 
2022-12-09 12:28:30 PM  
You could do that in Jedi Knight 2 and Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy

I'd have fun just running through the levels Force Choking enemies and either hurling them off edges, smacking them into walls, or combining it with Force Push to send them flying
 
2022-12-09 12:32:14 PM  

Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?


Plenty of games fit your first question.  For the second, I think only Star Wars Galaxies (as originally designed) came close. Jedi were envision to exist as a sort of prestige class, but were supposed to be fairly rare and had to avoid bounty hunters and such.

Ultimately, it didn't work out that way: https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-galaxies-jedi/
 
2022-12-09 12:32:17 PM  

no1curr: You could do that in Jedi Knight 2 and Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy

I'd have fun just running through the levels Force Choking enemies and either hurling them off edges, smacking them into walls, or combining it with Force Push to send them flying


My favorite was always running into a group of enemies, jumping, then using max level force pull on them. Then just wait a few seconds for it to start raining stormtroopers.
 
2022-12-09 12:34:20 PM  

SirSigsegV: no1curr: You could do that in Jedi Knight 2 and Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy

I'd have fun just running through the levels Force Choking enemies and either hurling them off edges, smacking them into walls, or combining it with Force Push to send them flying

My favorite was always running into a group of enemies, jumping, then using max level force pull on them. Then just wait a few seconds for it to start raining stormtroopers.


Brilliant!
 
2022-12-09 12:36:17 PM  

Chemlight Battery: madgonad: Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?

What would make it Star Wars?

Seriously, the Force is the defining characteristic of Star Wars. Magic is real there. It would be like playing Dungeons and Dragons except that there is no magic. No wizards or clerics. Everybody is just fighter / thief types against non-magical NPCs and monsters. You could do it, but why?

Yeah, I agree. Absent the force, Star Wars is pretty generic science fiction. I get that the old EU and Disney both pushed force users and lightsabers a little too much and everyone feels a bit burned, but let's not swing that pendulum too far.


The problem really wasn't the force or Jedi, it was the Skywalkers. I am tired of that. goddamn family now. Show me other Jedi. Show me them in other parts of the galaxy. That's cool. Hell the worst part of the Mandalorian was bringing back Luke. It's like every single goddamn thing has to connect back to the family.
 
2022-12-09 12:38:51 PM  
I liked Fallen Order.  It was a little short (kinda surprised they didn't try to pad it out with DLCs) and the little that there was involved too much backtracking for my taste's, but it told a nice self-contained story, had fun gameplay mechanics, great characters, and decent graphics.

And fighting the stormtroopers and such was just wicked fun.  My favorite move was the "force pull into impalement via lightsaber combo", but there were enough options it didn't get too boring.
 
2022-12-09 12:47:55 PM  

miscreant: I didn't find Fallen Order to be that good, doubt I'll spend time/money on this unless it gets some stellar reviews


I felt it became a boring grind (I f*cking HATED HATED HATED Dathomir). I'm like three quarters of the way through and don't feel any particular desire to finish.
 
2022-12-09 12:52:22 PM  

madgonad: Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?

What would make it Star Wars?

Seriously, the Force is the defining characteristic of Star Wars. Magic is real there. It would be like playing Dungeons and Dragons except that there is no magic. No wizards or clerics. Everybody is just fighter / thief types against non-magical NPCs and monsters. You could do it, but why?


The Force is the least Star Wars thing about Star Wars as far as I'm concerned. To me it's all about the technology, ships, world/galaxy building and the different species. Force wielders are what feel tacked-on.
 
2022-12-09 12:56:06 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Chemlight Battery: madgonad: Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?

What would make it Star Wars?

Seriously, the Force is the defining characteristic of Star Wars. Magic is real there. It would be like playing Dungeons and Dragons except that there is no magic. No wizards or clerics. Everybody is just fighter / thief types against non-magical NPCs and monsters. You could do it, but why?

Yeah, I agree. Absent the force, Star Wars is pretty generic science fiction. I get that the old EU and Disney both pushed force users and lightsabers a little too much and everyone feels a bit burned, but let's not swing that pendulum too far.

The problem really wasn't the force or Jedi, it was the Skywalkers. I am tired of that. goddamn family now. Show me other Jedi. Show me them in other parts of the galaxy. That's cool. Hell the worst part of the Mandalorian was bringing back Luke. It's like every single goddamn thing has to connect back to the family.


My movie idea was to focus on the war part - think the longest day in Star Wars.

The fans would revolt as someone said but not everything has to be tied to magical space monks
 
2022-12-09 12:57:20 PM  

houginator: Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?

Plenty of games fit your first question.  For the second, I think only Star Wars Galaxies (as originally designed) came close. Jedi were envision to exist as a sort of prestige class, but were supposed to be fairly rare and had to avoid bounty hunters and such.

Ultimately, it didn't work out that way: https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-galaxies-jedi/


Most people I knew who played the game had two accounts, one for Jedi Grind and the other to feed the grind.

The economy was always broken. The quests were always broken, stone knives with overpowered effects were always in the game.

I had a mayor/architect/resource farmer. That character earned hundreds of millions of Credits. My other just ground classes. I finally unlocked my Jedi in the second phase, before the quest line but after your primary became force sensitive. By that time it was scaled to every skill on every class, so I did that.

I played until the NGE, first grinding my Jedi then unleashing him on Bounty Hunter groups.

They truly were prestige characters. Being killed once meant losing massive amounts of Experience. But a fully leveled one with the right saber? Nearly unstoppable. Solo Bounty Hunters learned early to bring friends and spare vehicles.
 
2022-12-09 1:00:24 PM  
Did the Factor 5 games have Jedi in it?
 
2022-12-09 1:08:40 PM  

Bslim: The Force is the least Star Wars thing about Star Wars as far as I'm concerned. To me it's all about the technology, ships, world/galaxy building and the different species. Force wielders are what feel tacked-on.


Yeah, the hyperdrive fuel and Kessel labor camp arcs in Solo were just soooooo compelling. If that so what you like you should have LOVED Solo and the Ewok Movie.
 
2022-12-09 1:18:43 PM  
Fallen Order is an important game because it wasn't riddled with microtransaction crap.
(AFAIK that is)
 
2022-12-09 1:19:16 PM  

Bslim: madgonad: Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?

What would make it Star Wars?

Seriously, the Force is the defining characteristic of Star Wars. Magic is real there. It would be like playing Dungeons and Dragons except that there is no magic. No wizards or clerics. Everybody is just fighter / thief types against non-magical NPCs and monsters. You could do it, but why?

The Force is the least Star Wars thing about Star Wars as far as I'm concerned. To me it's all about the technology, ships, world/galaxy building and the different species. Force wielders are what feel tacked-on.


HEY MAN YOU EVER HEAR ABOUT STAR TREK
 
2022-12-09 1:26:29 PM  
The first game had an elaborate puzzle where your path was blocked by some vines.

No, the solution was not "chop them with your lightsaber"

But it was still a great game.
 
2022-12-09 1:31:00 PM  
My only major complaint about the original was the ludicrously long load times.

"Welp... Oggdo Bogdo killed me in .4 seconds again... time to go run some errands while the game, for some reason, respawns the tiny little cave he lives in..."
 
2022-12-09 1:31:27 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Why Vader bothered gesturing and choking when he could have just given a Force-swirly directly to grey matter, I don't know.

It'd even be more intimidating to witnesses.


Because Anakin Skywalker has always been a drama queen.
 
2022-12-09 1:40:59 PM  

Saborlas: Unsung_Hero: Why Vader bothered gesturing and choking when he could have just given a Force-swirly directly to grey matter, I don't know.

It'd even be more intimidating to witnesses.

Because Anakin Skywalker has always been a drama queen.


Given all the available evidence, I'd have to guess that Force users aren't very bright on average. They know their training and their doctrine, but asking them to think is beyond their skills.

The meta-reason, of course, is that nobody thought it through before finalising the script.
 
2022-12-09 1:49:10 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Saborlas: Unsung_Hero: Why Vader bothered gesturing and choking when he could have just given a Force-swirly directly to grey matter, I don't know.

It'd even be more intimidating to witnesses.

Because Anakin Skywalker has always been a drama queen.

Given all the available evidence, I'd have to guess that Force users aren't very bright on average. They know their training and their doctrine, but asking them to think is beyond their skills.

The meta-reason, of course, is that nobody thought it through before finalising the script.


The likelier story is that the writers were (incorrectly) optimistic that adults of the future would recognize that stories written for children are inherently ridiculous and meant to be outgrown.
 
2022-12-09 1:51:34 PM  
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2022-12-09 1:55:10 PM  
I enjoyed Fallen Order...but it was NOT easy... my friends and I refer to it as "Ninja Gaiden Black-Star Wars Edition"

that said I'm in for the new game.

I'm also happy that they fixed the main problem with the saber cross hilt  by adding metal hand guards before to protect the hands from the plasma blades....unlike the one used by Darth Emo in the Sequels.
 
2022-12-09 2:23:03 PM  

madgonad: Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers? Make it an open world game akin to GTA and you can either live as a smuggler, join the rebellion, or aid the empire?

What would make it Star Wars?

Seriously, the Force is the defining characteristic of Star Wars. Magic is real there. It would be like playing Dungeons and Dragons except that there is no magic. No wizards or clerics. Everybody is just fighter / thief types against non-magical NPCs and monsters. You could do it, but why?


Because hipsters want to be different and emphasize the underprivileged.  How dare you have a character who flaunts the advantage of being force sensitive when we should all strive to be the scrappy everyman who willfully breaks the law to fight 'the man'.
 
2022-12-09 2:30:25 PM  
Ah yes, another trash game with the dark souls idea forced onto it no matter how much it doesnt work

Did they even stop to think about just how stupid they were to make a game where deflecting blaster shots was something you could only do 3 times because it used up more stamina than jumping 3 stories up?

fark this garbage and fark the dark souls mentality being forced onto every game in the world
 
2022-12-09 2:46:46 PM  

Concrete Donkey: Ah yes, another trash game with the dark souls idea forced onto it no matter how much it doesnt work

Did they even stop to think about just how stupid they were to make a game where deflecting blaster shots was something you could only do 3 times because it used up more stamina than jumping 3 stories up?

fark this garbage and fark the dark souls mentality being forced onto every game in the world


I agree with the sentiment about the Dark Souls crap. I bounced off of Tunic pretty quickly because of that. It's a shiatty mechanic that has no purpose other than to frustrate you, force you to play the same sections over and over again, and create artificial difficulty. I hate that it has been forced into so many games where it doesn't belong.
 
2022-12-09 2:55:42 PM  
Squee!

I farking loved the first one. Single payer, learning curve that kept up with skill progression, focus on a self contained story, and very solid Jedi mechanics. What's not to love?!

On a side note for those who complain about the difficulty. It was adjustable in real time! Its to hard for you? You can literally change the difficulty mid-fight.

Personally I liked the difficulty. I think I played it first on 2/4 difficulty and found it challenging cause I'm not a Souls player. But I mastered the timing and play style just as Cal was supposed to be getting better so I thought it fit perfectly.

I've played through a few times on 3/4 difficulty and even though the mechanics are 2nd nature now, I think the inversely proportionate relationship between Cal's skills and the plot's difficulty is perfectly balanced. Just do a little grinding on your second trip to kashyyyk and by the time you beat the 9th sister Cal's should feel like a full blown Jedi Knght.

Yes, Dathomir is a bit long, but if you delay going there until you must (after the 9th sister) Cal's can have precision evade and should tear through the place.

Super excited for fallen order 2
 
2022-12-09 3:00:36 PM  
Yes, please!  Meanwhile, I wasn't able to finish the first one so I'll need to revisit and give it another go.
 
2022-12-09 3:24:29 PM  

Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers?


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2022-12-09 3:35:55 PM  

Aar1012: How about a Star Wars game with no Jedi or force powers?


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2022-12-09 3:41:41 PM  

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I loved that game. Even the later SW flight sims never measured up. It's on a very short list of games I actually finished.
 
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