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2022-12-09 6:33:25 AM  
search warrants? so they got possible suspects?
 
2022-12-09 6:36:03 AM  

BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?


They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved
 
2022-12-09 6:37:47 AM  

Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved


Or they just feel like praying with more of the perpetrators.
 
2022-12-09 6:44:24 AM  

Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved


Sure the disgruntled makes sense but what about the gruntled? No one ever thinks about the gruntled.
 
2022-12-09 6:53:04 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved

Sure the disgruntled makes sense but what about the gruntled? No one ever thinks about the gruntled.


Gruntled employees are usually pretty quiet. You'd barely even notice them at all. I might worry about that if they weren't quite so gruntled.
 
2022-12-09 7:06:55 AM  
Meh, isn't this one of those free fire states. They'll claim self defense and the jury will agree
 
2022-12-09 7:09:30 AM  

Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved


30 minutes of Google research and anyone can know what to target in a power substation, even which substations service which areas/neighborhoods. It's all out there open to the public, down to every individual transformer, transmission line, switches and even voltages.
 
2022-12-09 7:09:44 AM  

BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?


These people are PROUD of the damage they're doing. They think they're the hero.
 
2022-12-09 7:09:51 AM  

Cheron: Meh, isn't this one of those free fire states. They'll claim self defense and the jury will agree


The power station was coming right for us!
 
2022-12-09 7:11:59 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved

30 minutes of Google research and anyone can know what to target in a power substation, even which substations service which areas/neighborhoods. It's all out there open to the public, down to every individual transformer, transmission line, switches and even voltages.


Apparently these guys used armor pricing ammo that is only allowed for military use. My guess is they found a shell and were able to trace it.
 
2022-12-09 7:13:14 AM  
So how long before someone here very seriously claims that arresting and possibly prosecuting domestic terrorist is against the constitution?
 
2022-12-09 7:14:34 AM  
Hey, maybe check out the crazy potential political terrorist lady who broadcast that she knows. Maybe do that.
 
2022-12-09 7:16:59 AM  
Why are we reading about search warrants being applied for instead of search warrants being executed?
 
2022-12-09 7:19:33 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Why are we reading about search warrants being applied for instead of search warrants being executed?


Head start. Gotta make it look like they are trying.
 
2022-12-09 7:21:19 AM  

Gordon Bennett: StoPPeRmobile: Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved

Sure the disgruntled makes sense but what about the gruntled? No one ever thinks about the gruntled.

Gruntled employees are usually pretty quiet. You'd barely even notice them at all. I might worry about that if they weren't quite so gruntled.


I was gruntled once, as a lad.

Never been the same.
 
2022-12-09 7:23:50 AM  
As someone who works for a utility company in the process of implementing cold weather preparedness training because Texas is dumb, I can't wait until the government crawls up our ass about hardening substations against gunfire.
 
2022-12-09 7:24:34 AM  

Thatguy!1984: Apparently these guys used armor pricing ammo that is only allowed for military use.


The military does have some laughable pricing policies, but anyone with a credit card an eBay account can buy it as well.
 
2022-12-09 7:29:59 AM  

LoneVVolf: Thatguy!1984: Apparently these guys used armor pricing ammo that is only allowed for military use.

The military does have some laughable pricing policies, but anyone with a credit card an eBay account can buy it as well.


Last I checked you cannot buy ammunition on eBay

Ammo boxes, sure

Actual ammo?

No
 
2022-12-09 7:37:39 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Why are we reading about search warrants being applied for instead of search warrants being executed?


My guess is to see which roaches scurry the fastest.
 
2022-12-09 7:45:02 AM  
Maness said that investigators had retrieved shell casings found at the substations. He declined to say how many or for what kind of weapons.

I'll take 5.56 for $400, Alex.
 
2022-12-09 7:46:29 AM  

IndyJohn: LoneVVolf: Thatguy!1984: Apparently these guys used armor pricing ammo that is only allowed for military use.

The military does have some laughable pricing policies, but anyone with a credit card an eBay account can buy it as well.

Last I checked you cannot buy ammunition on eBay

Ammo boxes, sure

Actual ammo?

No


Ebay, no. Regular ol' website via FedEx? Yes, as long as your state allows it. And if they *don't* you can still buy the brass, primers, powder, and bullets to load your own.
 
2022-12-09 7:51:49 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved

30 minutes of Google research and anyone can know what to target in a power substation, even which substations service which areas/neighborhoods. It's all out there open to the public, down to every individual transformer, transmission line, switches and even voltages.


I was visiting with my folks yesterday (so of course Fox News was screaming in the background)....they kept going on about how this person KNEW where to shoot...

Are there any parts of an electrical substation that do just fine after being perforated by bullets? Anything with coils will experience inter-coil shorting...electronic control bits need to be in one piece...


I would guess most things don't react well to bullets...
 
2022-12-09 7:52:12 AM  
Under seal?

Yeah, that's a gaslighting term.
 
2022-12-09 7:52:50 AM  

Smoking GNU: So how long before someone here very seriously claims that arresting and possibly prosecuting domestic terrorist is against the constitution?


Well, lots of people were upset about the FBI investigating threats to school boards, so I think they're already there.
 
2022-12-09 7:53:51 AM  
Pretty calm wording for an act of terrorism.
 
2022-12-09 7:55:18 AM  

Thatguy!1984: Someone Else's Alt: Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved

30 minutes of Google research and anyone can know what to target in a power substation, even which substations service which areas/neighborhoods. It's all out there open to the public, down to every individual transformer, transmission line, switches and even voltages.

Apparently these guys used armor pricing ammo that is only allowed for military use. My guess is they found a shell and were able to trace it.


Info from police or....internet speculation?

And what kind of armor piercing rounds are only for military use? You can buy existing AP rounds (they're a bit pricey), just can't manufacture/sell new for civilians...
 
2022-12-09 7:59:53 AM  

Sasquach: Thatguy!1984: Someone Else's Alt: Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved

30 minutes of Google research and anyone can know what to target in a power substation, even which substations service which areas/neighborhoods. It's all out there open to the public, down to every individual transformer, transmission line, switches and even voltages.

Apparently these guys used armor pricing ammo that is only allowed for military use. My guess is they found a shell and were able to trace it.

Info from police or....internet speculation?

And what kind of armor piercing rounds are only for military use? You can buy existing AP rounds (they're a bit pricey), just can't manufacture/sell new for civilians...


Other thing: This happened very close to Fort Bragg, and the woman taking credit for it on social media (truthfully or otherwise) was in the military there.
 
2022-12-09 8:06:14 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Hey, maybe check out the crazy potential political terrorist lady who broadcast that she knows. Maybe do that.


The Sheriff already prayed with her, so that's been covered.
 
2022-12-09 8:06:15 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Why are we reading about search warrants being applied for instead of search warrants being executed?


...you cannot possibly be this stupid.
 
2022-12-09 8:09:26 AM  

Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved


I would further speculate that this means the recovered one or more bullets intact enough to be matched to a gun if they recover the gun.

Or possibly shoe prints if they recover the shoes?
 
2022-12-09 8:12:55 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Why are we reading about search warrants being applied for instead of search warrants being executed?


Because getting the judge to sign the warrant takes more than 0 minutes?
 
2022-12-09 8:14:08 AM  

SupplySideJesus: Maness said that investigators had retrieved shell casings found at the substations. He declined to say how many or for what kind of weapons.

I'll take 5.56 for $400, Alex.


I'd take that bet.  They're shooting at big chunks of metal and it looks like they knew what they were doing.  I'd put money on 308 or something else larger than 5.56
 
2022-12-09 8:19:09 AM  

Sasquach: Someone Else's Alt: Oneiros: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

They mentioned the shooters knew what to target, so I'm assuming a disgruntled employee is involved

30 minutes of Google research and anyone can know what to target in a power substation, even which substations service which areas/neighborhoods. It's all out there open to the public, down to every individual transformer, transmission line, switches and even voltages.

I was visiting with my folks yesterday (so of course Fox News was screaming in the background)....they kept going on about how this person KNEW where to shoot...

Are there any parts of an electrical substation that do just fine after being perforated by bullets? Anything with coils will experience inter-coil shorting...electronic control bits need to be in one piece...


I would guess most things don't react well to bullets...


Until the final report is released to the public who specifically care about such details, shooting at cans that have made the news, especially as Texass froze to death, are easy targets. Anyone paying attention knows they are on back order.

So if it shows he was grouping shots instead of spray and praying, it shows half a modicum of knowledge. Shoot the cabinets, shoot the cans, shoot the hut, And you pretty much take out contractors and PLCs and hard to replace transformers and cans.

My job is much "easier" than power station lineman, but if you really want to fark an electrician over, cut wires impossibly short, or damage long runs and harnesses. It's not that the job is hard to replace, but takes exceedingly long. So if jackass was taking pot shots at transmission lines and conduit, everything has to be taken out, repulled, and relanded. And then the cabinets. Hoffman boxes are also on forever backorder. Anything that was rated for wet really isn't anymore.
 
2022-12-09 8:22:20 AM  

SpectroBoy: BunkyBrewman: Why are we reading about search warrants being applied for instead of search warrants being executed?

Because getting the judge to sign the warrant takes more than 0 minutes?


it takes about 20 seconds. first the judge makes a bored and wearily amused face. then the detective, frustrated by the lack of accountability and seriousness in The System, slams his hand on the judge's desk and demands "This time, you'd better do the right thing! Or certain information might get out that you don't want your wife and kids to know about!" and the judge gives a bitter look, says "Don't think you can play that card more than once, detective" signs the warrant. and then there's a Toyota commercial.
 
2022-12-09 8:36:59 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: SupplySideJesus: Maness said that investigators had retrieved shell casings found at the substations. He declined to say how many or for what kind of weapons.

I'll take 5.56 for $400, Alex.

I'd take that bet.  They're shooting at big chunks of metal and it looks like they knew what they were doing.  I'd put money on 308 or something else larger than 5.56


I'd go 2:1 on standard AR platform 5.56/.223 FMJ, 5:1 7.62/.308, 12:1 exotic somethingorother.

/yes, I just laid betting odds on the ammo used is a terrorist act. Behold the glory that is 'Murica.
 
2022-12-09 8:40:05 AM  
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2022-12-09 8:44:51 AM  
What a waste of time.

I find it very hard to believe that the giant-brained, super-villains behind this would have left any evidence behind.
 
2022-12-09 8:45:04 AM  

jso2897: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Hey, maybe check out the crazy potential political terrorist lady who broadcast that she knows. Maybe do that.

The Sheriff already prayed with her, so that's been covered.


Didn't some Farker explain that it was the old Southern phrase "prayed over her" which more meant he confronted her or somesuch?
 
2022-12-09 8:46:27 AM  
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2022-12-09 8:49:02 AM  

Fireproof: jso2897: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Hey, maybe check out the crazy potential political terrorist lady who broadcast that she knows. Maybe do that.

The Sheriff already prayed with her, so that's been covered.

Didn't some Farker explain that it was the old Southern phrase "prayed over her" which more meant he confronted her or somesuch?


Must be a really old phrase, because I've lived in the South since 1996 in 3 different states and have never heard it used that way.


/bless his heart
 
2022-12-09 8:49:13 AM  

BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?


"The usual suspects".
 
2022-12-09 8:50:06 AM  

Weaver95: BeerBear: search warrants? so they got possible suspects?

These people are PROUD of the damage they're doing. They think they're the hero.


BOYS, will it be easy for them to track down the perps.
 
2022-12-09 8:51:04 AM  

Smoking GNU: So how long before someone here very seriously claims that arresting and possibly prosecuting domestic terrorist is against the constitution?


Here?

I'm waiting for the GQP mouth pieces and news services to do it first.
 
2022-12-09 8:52:28 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Hey, maybe check out the crazy potential political terrorist lady who broadcast that she knows. Maybe do that.


"Naw, Billy Bob. She's just saying things Say, didn't we see one of those *filterpwned*s with a gun?"
 
2022-12-09 8:55:48 AM  

cleek: SpectroBoy: BunkyBrewman: Why are we reading about search warrants being applied for instead of search warrants being executed?

Because getting the judge to sign the warrant takes more than 0 minutes?

it takes about 20 seconds. first the judge makes a bored and wearily amused face. then the detective, frustrated by the lack of accountability and seriousness in The System, slams his hand on the judge's desk and demands "This time, you'd better do the right thing! Or certain information might get out that you don't want your wife and kids to know about!" and the judge gives a bitter look, says "Don't think you can play that card more than once, detective" signs the warrant. and then there's a Toyota commercial.


Are you a wizard lawyer?
 
2022-12-09 8:57:11 AM  

Fireproof: jso2897: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Hey, maybe check out the crazy potential political terrorist lady who broadcast that she knows. Maybe do that.

The Sheriff already prayed with her, so that's been covered.

Didn't some Farker explain that it was the old Southern phrase "prayed over her" which more meant he confronted her or somesuch?


Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what kind of "splained" that was.
 
2022-12-09 8:57:22 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: SupplySideJesus: Maness said that investigators had retrieved shell casings found at the substations. He declined to say how many or for what kind of weapons.

I'll take 5.56 for $400, Alex.

I'd take that bet.  They're shooting at big chunks of metal and it looks like they knew what they were doing.  I'd put money on 308 or something else larger than 5.56



Steel core 5.56 is cheap and plentiful.

I have no idea what they used, but even a rando shooter like me has some steel core for teh lulz. (It was also cheap as surplus back before ammo prices went nuts)
 
2022-12-09 8:57:50 AM  

Smoking GNU: So how long before someone here very seriously claims that arresting and possibly prosecuting domestic terrorist is against the constitution?


What do you mean, "how long before"?
 
2022-12-09 9:00:10 AM  

SupplySideJesus: Glockenspiel Hero: SupplySideJesus: Maness said that investigators had retrieved shell casings found at the substations. He declined to say how many or for what kind of weapons.

I'll take 5.56 for $400, Alex.

I'd take that bet.  They're shooting at big chunks of metal and it looks like they knew what they were doing.  I'd put money on 308 or something else larger than 5.56

I'd go 2:1 on standard AR platform 5.56/.223 FMJ, 5:1 7.62/.308, 12:1 exotic somethingorother.

/yes, I just laid betting odds on the ammo used is a terrorist act. Behold the glory that is 'Murica.


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Green paint = steel core.
Not hard to get at all.

It is actually pretty impressive what it can penetrate. Me and my idiot friends have put all sort of objects down range and punched holes with this stuff.

Also, a transformer case isn't particularly thick metal and the innards, being copper, are pretty soft.

/Yes I have an alibi for that day
 
2022-12-09 9:00:57 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Hey, maybe check out the crazy potential political terrorist lady who broadcast that she knows. Maybe do that.


They prayed with her and came up empty.

What more do you want?
 
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