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2022-12-08 4:07:13 PM  
Sounds like Charles is putting one foot down. Not enough to eliminate her, but it's close to being over.
 
2022-12-08 5:20:02 PM  
"There's no way Camilla didn't know what Lady Susan was doing as she was standing just feet away," a Palace insider revealed. "But she did nothing to stop the harassment."

Yeah, that's not how conversations work.  Unless Camilla was just standing there alone eavesdropping, she was undoubtedly engaged in her own conversation with the people around her which means, no, she didn't hear what the racist old biddy was saying.  It's not humanly possible to listen to two people talking at the same time.  You can pick one or the other and you can even change which one whenever you like but it's strictly one at a time.  Camilla would have had to be purposely ignoring the people talking to her in order to hear the other conversation, which is in itself quite rude.
 
2022-12-08 5:25:07 PM  
The Sistah lady was being an ass.  She knew what the royal lady was asking, but decided to play a little game.  The question wasn't out of line for the type of event it was and how the sistah lady dresses.  It would be like going to a Polish highlander event dressed in full Polish Highlander costume, and when someone asked where I was from, I said Chicago.
 
2022-12-08 5:26:00 PM  
So Camilla is "Queen" now? I thought Chuckles made an agreement with mumsy that Camilla would never get that title in order for mumsy to allow him to marry her. Hence the whole "Queen Consort" nonsense. Did he shiatcan that as soon as Liz died and he assumed command of the Empire?
 
2022-12-08 5:39:11 PM  

Dick Gozinya: So Camilla is "Queen" now? I thought Chuckles made an agreement with mumsy that Camilla would never get that title in order for mumsy to allow him to marry her. Hence the whole "Queen Consort" nonsense. Did he shiatcan that as soon as Liz died and he assumed command of the Empire?


Even if she is officially a QC, people being people are going to call her Q.
 
2022-12-08 5:39:22 PM  

Dick Gozinya: So Camilla is "Queen" now? I thought Chuckles made an agreement with mumsy that Camilla would never get that title in order for mumsy to allow him to marry her. Hence the whole "Queen Consort" nonsense. Did he shiatcan that as soon as Liz died and he assumed command of the Empire?


Queen consort just means she is queen on account of being married to the king. In order to become queen regnant (like Elizabeth II or Victoria were) she would need to usurp the crown from Charles.
 
2022-12-08 5:40:58 PM  

Dick Gozinya: So Camilla is "Queen" now? I thought Chuckles made an agreement with mumsy that Camilla would never get that title in order for mumsy to allow him to marry her. Hence the whole "Queen Consort" nonsense. Did he shiatcan that as soon as Liz died and he assumed command of the Empire?


Her official title is "Her Majesty, The Queen Consort" because she is not the Queen Regnant (reigning Queen like Elizabeth) but is the wife of the ruling King.  The only other kind of Queen is Dowager Queen (widow of a reigning King), but that's an old fashioned term and the last one they had preferred "Queen Mother".
 
2022-12-08 5:43:44 PM  

Dick Gozinya: So Camilla is "Queen" now? I thought Chuckles made an agreement with mumsy that Camilla would never get that title in order for mumsy to allow him to marry her. Hence the whole "Queen Consort" nonsense. Did he shiatcan that as soon as Liz died and he assumed command of the Empire?


Women married to Kings regnant tend to have the title Queen Consort, as Camilla does, or just "Queen" for short.

Men who are married to Queens regnant tend to have the title Prince Consort, like Phil had, because King always outranks Queen, so when a woman is regnant, her husband takes the lower title of Prince.

Then there are the times when there are co-regnants like William and Mary.

/It's all a bit silly, isn't it?
 
2022-12-08 5:45:50 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: Dick Gozinya: So Camilla is "Queen" now? I thought Chuckles made an agreement with mumsy that Camilla would never get that title in order for mumsy to allow him to marry her. Hence the whole "Queen Consort" nonsense. Did he shiatcan that as soon as Liz died and he assumed command of the Empire?

Her official title is "Her Majesty, The Queen Consort" because she is not the Queen Regnant (reigning Queen like Elizabeth) but is the wife of the ruling King.  The only other kind of Queen is Dowager Queen (widow of a reigning King), but that's an old fashioned term and the last one they had preferred "Queen Mother".


IIRC Lizzy Bowes-Lyon's official title was Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother.

ICBW.
 
2022-12-08 5:46:26 PM  

Jeebus Saves: The Sistah lady was being an ass.  She knew what the royal lady was asking, but decided to play a little game.  The question wasn't out of line for the type of event it was and how the sistah lady dresses.  It would be like going to a Polish highlander event dressed in full Polish Highlander costume, and when someone asked where I was from, I said Chicago.


She was there representing Sistah Space which according to the Guardian and Wikipedia is "London's only specialist domestic violence service for women of African and Caribbean heritage" but somehow it's "traumatizing" if someone asks about that heritage.  There's plenty of racist things that are traumatizing but this isn't one of them.
 
2022-12-08 5:48:10 PM  

Dick Gozinya: So Camilla is "Queen" now? I thought Chuckles made an agreement with mumsy that Camilla would never get that title in order for mumsy to allow him to marry her. Hence the whole "Queen Consort" nonsense. Did he shiatcan that as soon as Liz died and he assumed command of the Empire?


The press don't bother with such formalities. They don't have to. They commonly referred to Diana as 'Princess Diana' despite her not having that title owing to her not being born a princess. She could have been 'Princess Charles' just as Baroness Marie-Christine Anna Agnes Hedwig Ida von Reibnitz became Princess Michael of Kent after marrying Prince Michael. Strictly speaking she was Diana, Princess of Wales just as Camilla is Camilla, Queen Consort.

Outside of those formal royal circles we can call them anything we wish and often do. Call her Queen Fluffy if you like. No one can stop you.
 
2022-12-08 6:21:36 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Dick Gozinya: So Camilla is "Queen" now? I thought Chuckles made an agreement with mumsy that Camilla would never get that title in order for mumsy to allow him to marry her. Hence the whole "Queen Consort" nonsense. Did he shiatcan that as soon as Liz died and he assumed command of the Empire?

The press don't bother with such formalities. They don't have to. They commonly referred to Diana as 'Princess Diana' despite her not having that title owing to her not being born a princess. She could have been 'Princess Charles' just as Baroness Marie-Christine Anna Agnes Hedwig Ida von Reibnitz became Princess Michael of Kent after marrying Prince Michael. Strictly speaking she was Diana, Princess of Wales just as Camilla is Camilla, Queen Consort.

Outside of those formal royal circles we can call them anything we wish and often do. Call her Queen Fluffy if you like. No one can stop you.


In the modern game of thrones, you only wish you could make them die.
 
2022-12-08 6:27:46 PM  

Persnickety: Jeebus Saves: The Sistah lady was being an ass.  She knew what the royal lady was asking, but decided to play a little game.  The question wasn't out of line for the type of event it was and how the sistah lady dresses.  It would be like going to a Polish highlander event dressed in full Polish Highlander costume, and when someone asked where I was from, I said Chicago.

She was there representing Sistah Space which according to the Guardian and Wikipedia is "London's only specialist domestic violence service for women of African and Caribbean heritage" but somehow it's "traumatizing" if someone asks about that heritage.  There's plenty of racist things that are traumatizing but this isn't one of them.


...are there still people in 20farking22 who don't know that asking POC "what ARE you/where are you FROM, though?" smacks of racism? Yes, even if the event she's hosting is for African and Caribbean women. Yes, even if she has an accent.

PROTIP: don't do that. Like ever. In a one-on-one you MIGHT be ok - but for the love of toast, think of a better way to phrase it than that ("is your ancestry from here or somewhere else?" maybe) You could also try not asking, and waiting for them to tell you. Is it that important to know about someone you just met?

I had a Lyft rider try to argue with me about it (an older Black dude, if that matters) - kept hammering the question and wasn't satisfied when I answered "New Jersey". I think he either wanted me to say I was Israeli (which I am not) or "Hebrew" (which, lol), and he wasn't even satisfied when I listed the 4-5 countries (that I know of) that my family came from 100+ years ago.

// "traumatizing" might be a bit much, but I wasn't there - if Susie put her on the spot in front of others or something, that's incredibly demeaning at the least
 
2022-12-08 6:44:03 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Persnickety: Jeebus Saves: The Sistah lady was being an ass.  She knew what the royal lady was asking, but decided to play a little game.  The question wasn't out of line for the type of event it was and how the sistah lady dresses.  It would be like going to a Polish highlander event dressed in full Polish Highlander costume, and when someone asked where I was from, I said Chicago.

She was there representing Sistah Space which according to the Guardian and Wikipedia is "London's only specialist domestic violence service for women of African and Caribbean heritage" but somehow it's "traumatizing" if someone asks about that heritage.  There's plenty of racist things that are traumatizing but this isn't one of them.

...are there still people in 20farking22 who don't know that asking POC "what ARE you/where are you FROM, though?" smacks of racism? Yes, even if the event she's hosting is for African and Caribbean women. Yes, even if she has an accent.

PROTIP: don't do that. Like ever. In a one-on-one you MIGHT be ok - but for the love of toast, think of a better way to phrase it than that ("is your ancestry from here or somewhere else?" maybe) You could also try not asking, and waiting for them to tell you. Is it that important to know about someone you just met?

I had a Lyft rider try to argue with me about it (an older Black dude, if that matters) - kept hammering the question and wasn't satisfied when I answered "New Jersey". I think he either wanted me to say I was Israeli (which I am not) or "Hebrew" (which, lol), and he wasn't even satisfied when I listed the 4-5 countries (that I know of) that my family came from 100+ years ago.

// "traumatizing" might be a bit much, but I wasn't there - if Susie put her on the spot in front of others or something, that's incredibly demeaning at the least


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Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?

We had an Uber driver pick us up from the airport.  He had an accent and my wife asked him where he's from.  He said he was from Dublin and had lived in Chicago for a couple years.  Because he wasn't an ass.
 
2022-12-08 6:59:18 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?


...does she "look like" she's not from the UK or something? How can you tell that from a picture? Why do you assume that someone who wears colorful clothing "isn't from here"? Why does it matter? Is there some reason Lady Sue needed to know that at that event?

At any rate, ask around (especially in the UK) - it's a question generally asked of POC with the (unspoken) assumption that a POC "can't" be from there (similar to how American Republicans have intimated that Black Americans are a separate group from "Americans"). Susie wasn't asking the white folks where they're from, is she?

// also, might there be some reason that a POC would not know their ancestry before "emigration" out of an ancestral homeland?
// asking where an accent is from is a much better way to ask it than "where are you from?" - a (foreign) accent is a signifier that someone grew up somewhere else; colorful clothing, shells, locs, and darker-than-printer-paper skin are not
// cf "I'm from Fresno, Ace" - you know what they say about assumptions...
 
2022-12-08 7:07:56 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?


Yes, it is totally out of line to ask a Briton where they came from in Africa.

Did you also spot that her heritage is Caribbean, so it's not unlikely that she even knows her heritage before her ancestors were stolen to the New World?
 
2022-12-08 7:09:10 PM  
British upper crust being racist?  Shocking.
 
2022-12-08 7:20:23 PM  

iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?

Yes, it is totally out of line to ask a Briton where they came from in Africa.

Did you also spot that her heritage is Caribbean, so it's not unlikely that she even knows her heritage before her ancestors were stolen to the New World?


Now now, I think you're neglecting the fact that they met a guy from Ireland one time.
 
2022-12-08 7:21:21 PM  

Dick Gozinya: So Camilla is "Queen" now? I thought Chuckles made an agreement with mumsy that Camilla would never get that title in order for mumsy to allow him to marry her. Hence the whole "Queen Consort" nonsense. Did he shiatcan that as soon as Liz died and he assumed command of the Empire?


No, I think "Queen's Event" is referring to ERII's funeral.  Which is a strange way to refer to it.
 
2022-12-08 7:42:26 PM  

iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?

Yes, it is totally out of line to ask a Briton where they came from in Africa.

Did you also spot that her heritage is Caribbean, so it's not unlikely that she even knows her heritage before her ancestors were stolen to the New World?


Stolen. Aren't you precious sweetheart.
 
2022-12-08 7:49:47 PM  

RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?

Yes, it is totally out of line to ask a Briton where they came from in Africa.

Did you also spot that her heritage is Caribbean, so it's not unlikely that she even knows her heritage before her ancestors were stolen to the New World?

Stolen. Aren't you precious sweetheart.


How do you think slaves taken from Africa found their feet in the New World?
 
2022-12-08 8:03:00 PM  
How did Bob Marley like his doughnuts?

Wi' Jam in.
 
2022-12-08 8:04:36 PM  

iron de havilland: RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?

Yes, it is totally out of line to ask a Briton where they came from in Africa.

Did you also spot that her heritage is Caribbean, so it's not unlikely that she even knows her heritage before her ancestors were stolen to the New World?

Stolen. Aren't you precious sweetheart.

How do you think slaves taken from Africa found their feet in the New World?


So she is from Africa. Where is the problem?
 
2022-12-08 8:08:25 PM  

RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?

Yes, it is totally out of line to ask a Briton where they came from in Africa.

Did you also spot that her heritage is Caribbean, so it's not unlikely that she even knows her heritage before her ancestors were stolen to the New World?

Stolen. Aren't you precious sweetheart.

How do you think slaves taken from Africa found their feet in the New World?

So she is from Africa. Where is the problem?


Her ancestors were taken from Africa. If you can't figure out anything beyond that, I'm not sure I can help you.
 
2022-12-08 8:14:21 PM  
Well, isn't this a fun game on Fark.  "Is it, or is it not, racist?"  Can't wait to see who wins this inane argument.
Also, if I ran a charity that focused on ending racism and domestic abuse, the last place I would seek support is the royal f*cking family
 
2022-12-08 8:16:33 PM  

iron de havilland: RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?

Yes, it is totally out of line to ask a Briton where they came from in Africa.

Did you also spot that her heritage is Caribbean, so it's not unlikely that she even knows her heritage before her ancestors were stolen to the New World?

Stolen. Aren't you precious sweetheart.

How do you think slaves taken from Africa found their feet in the New World?

So she is from Africa. Where is the problem?

Her ancestors were taken from Africa. If you can't figure out anything beyond that, I'm not sure I can help you.


I don't need help. She was asked where she was from in Africa and she is from Africa and somehow that is proof that everyone in Great Britain is racist. You seem to want to be offended by this. Knock yourself out sugar tits. I am going to watch the football game.
 
2022-12-08 8:25:03 PM  

RandyJohnson: don't need help. She was asked where she was from in Africa and she is from Africa


No, she's British.

Of course the slave trade back in the day did obscure the lineages of those that were taken as slaves.

Which is pretty much the entire farking point.
 
2022-12-08 8:58:56 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Well, isn't this a fun game on Fark.  "Is it, or is it not, racist?"  Can't wait to see who wins this inane argument.
Also, if I ran a charity that focused on ending racism and domestic abuse, the last place I would seek support is the royal f*cking family


I hear you're a racist now, Father!
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2022-12-08 9:01:12 PM  
I still shake my head when Americans actually care about the royal family.  Yeesh.
 
2022-12-08 9:08:05 PM  

The_Sponge: I still shake my head when Americans actually care about the royal family.  Yeesh.


There seems to be rather more claiming not care while being weirdly invested in insisting it's not racist to act like a black Briton is an immigrant in her own country, going on.
 
2022-12-08 9:16:11 PM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: The_Sponge: I still shake my head when Americans actually care about the royal family.  Yeesh.

There seems to be rather more claiming not care while being weirdly invested in insisting it's not racist to act like a black Briton is an immigrant in her own country, going on.


Believe me...I have no doubts that the woman in question acted like a stuck up biatch.
 
2022-12-08 9:34:24 PM  
"Harry and Meghan feel vindicated that racism is being exposed and think it's a good thing that Ngozi Fulani outed Lady Hussey,"

Hey now! No need for name calling!
We spell it hussy here in the states.
 
2022-12-08 9:54:08 PM  
Would it be fair to ask a white American where in England they came from?
 
2022-12-08 10:00:38 PM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: The_Sponge: I still shake my head when Americans actually care about the royal family.  Yeesh.

There seems to be rather more claiming not care while being weirdly invested in insisting it's not racist to act like a black Briton is an immigrant in her own country, going on.


When did I claim it was not racist?
 
2022-12-08 10:25:23 PM  
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2022-12-08 10:30:44 PM  

iron de havilland: Would it be fair to ask a white American where in England they came from?


My mother was born in Belgium in 1944. Her father was born in 1917 from a Belgian mother and German soldier. Her mother was Belgian. My father was born in Illinois from a father who was German and a mother who was Saux tribe. I don't know what difference it makes but you do you and I will live my life.
 
2022-12-08 10:48:34 PM  

RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: Would it be fair to ask a white American where in England they came from?

My mother was born in Belgium in 1944. Her father was born in 1917 from a Belgian mother and German soldier. Her mother was Belgian. My father was born in Illinois from a father who was German and a mother who was Saux tribe. I don't know what difference it makes but you do you and I will live my life.


So it's only OK to question where Black people come from?
 
2022-12-08 10:49:10 PM  

RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?

Yes, it is totally out of line to ask a Briton where they came from in Africa.

Did you also spot that her heritage is Caribbean, so it's not unlikely that she even knows her heritage before her ancestors were stolen to the New World?

Stolen. Aren't you precious sweetheart.

How do you think slaves taken from Africa found their feet in the New World?

So she is from Africa. Where is the problem?


Haha so funny.

(not)
 
2022-12-08 10:54:24 PM  

RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?

Yes, it is totally out of line to ask a Briton where they came from in Africa.

Did you also spot that her heritage is Caribbean, so it's not unlikely that she even knows her heritage before her ancestors were stolen to the New World?

Stolen. Aren't you precious sweetheart.

How do you think slaves taken from Africa found their feet in the New World?

So she is from Africa. Where is the problem?

Her ancestors were taken from Africa. If you can't figure out anything beyond that, I'm not sure I can help you.

I don't need help. She was asked where she was from in Africa and she is from Africa and somehow that is proof that everyone in Great Britain is racist. You seem to want to be offended by this. Knock yourself out sugar tits. I am going to watch the football game.


She's not from Africa. Her ancestors are.  It's an enormously simple, easy distinction that no functional adult human being should need explained to them.

What it says about "everyone" in Britain seems to be a concept important in your mind, but nobody else's.  The rest of us are talking about specific people.
 
2022-12-08 10:56:56 PM  

iron de havilland: Would it be fair to ask a white American where in England they came from?


Heidelberg.
 
2022-12-08 11:24:27 PM  

RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: RandyJohnson: iron de havilland: Jeebus Saves: Yes, it's totally out of line to ask this lady that question.  What was she thinking?

Yes, it is totally out of line to ask a Briton where they came from in Africa.

Did you also spot that her heritage is Caribbean, so it's not unlikely that she even knows her heritage before her ancestors were stolen to the New World?

Stolen. Aren't you precious sweetheart.

How do you think slaves taken from Africa found their feet in the New World?

So she is from Africa. Where is the problem?


I mean, this concept will probably get you angry,

But you do know that humanity emerged from Africa about 10 thousand years ago?

You understand that white people are just some mutant variation on what people look like?

Right?
 
2022-12-08 11:25:10 PM  

iron de havilland: Would it be fair to ask a white American where in England they came from?


That wouldn't make any sense.  It would make more sense to ask where in Europe they came from.  Maybe it's just an incredibly common question here in the US.  People read your last name and ask if it's Greek.  They hear an accent and want to know where you're from.  Everyone understands the question.  No one gets their panties in a bunch over it.
 
2022-12-08 11:27:56 PM  

Jeebus Saves: iron de havilland: Would it be fair to ask a white American where in England they came from?

That wouldn't make any sense.  It would make more sense to ask where in Europe they came from.  Maybe it's just an incredibly common question here in the US.  People read your last name and ask if it's Greek.  They hear an accent and want to know where you're from.  Everyone understands the question.  No one gets their panties in a bunch over it.


But it's still a more limited gene pool than all of Africa.
 
2022-12-08 11:33:41 PM  

Jeebus Saves: iron de havilland: Would it be fair to ask a white American where in England they came from?

That wouldn't make any sense.  It would make more sense to ask where in Europe they came from.  Maybe it's just an incredibly common question here in the US.  People read your last name and ask if it's Greek.  They hear an accent and want to know where you're from.  Everyone understands the question.  No one gets their panties in a bunch over it.


If someone asks where I'm from I say San Jose or something, if you want to know my ethnicity then maybe ask "what is your ethnicity/background". If you instead say "come on, where are you REALLY from?", I might slap your dumb simple hick mouth.
 
2022-12-08 11:38:28 PM  

Jeebus Saves: iron de havilland: Would it be fair to ask a white American where in England they came from?

That wouldn't make any sense.  It would make more sense to ask where in Europe they came from.  Maybe it's just an incredibly common question here in the US.  People read your last name and ask if it's Greek.  They hear an accent and want to know where you're from.  Everyone understands the question.  No one gets their panties in a bunch over it.


No.  They don't.

They say "where is your family from" or sometimes a little colorfully "where are your people from".

They don't say "where in Europe are YOU from".  Unless you have some European accent (a name alone doesn't trigger that narrower question).
 
2022-12-08 11:43:15 PM  
I don't think people really want to know where your ancestors lived. They want to know why you look different or talk different than the rest of us. Not a decent question in most social occasions.
 
2022-12-09 12:04:58 AM  

melfunction: I don't think people really want to know where your ancestors lived. They want to know why you look different or talk different than the rest of us. Not a decent question in most social occasions.


Full honesty:

If I meet someone with an accent, I will tactfully ask where they are from...because I have a legitimate interest.  My Dad and Grandparents immigrated here in the late 1940s...and I make sure to mention that when I ask.
 
2022-12-09 12:38:21 AM  

The_Sponge: If I meet someone with an accent, I will tactfully ask where they are from


Okay.  But that doesn't apply here...

The lady rudely asked "where are you really from" (note the wording) sounds like this:

Charity worker Ngozi Fulani describes racism she faced at Buckingham Palace
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Tell me... where does it SOUND like she's from?
 
2022-12-09 2:16:47 AM  
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