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(CBS News) NewsFlash WNBA star Brittney Griner traded for up and coming rookie Merchant of Death plus a hostage to be named later   (cbsnews.com) divider line
    More: NewsFlash, President of the United States, White House, Prison, Russia, Brittney Griner, Thomas Jefferson, U.S. official, international arms dealerViktor Bout  
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2022-12-08 8:18:19 AM  
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2022-12-08 8:22:47 AM  
Good trade... That guy will get his another time.
 
2022-12-08 8:24:28 AM  
 
2022-12-08 8:26:05 AM  
Is this going to encourage Putin to continue grabbing random people just as hostages, or would he just be doing that anyway?

Either way, it's a bad idea to travel anywhere near Russia if you can avoid it.
 
2022-12-08 8:26:12 AM  
I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.
 
2022-12-08 8:26:36 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Good trade... That guy will get his another time.


I mean, we're releasing an arms dealer to a country that is the aggressor in a war. People will die because of this.
 
2022-12-08 8:26:48 AM  
Stupid that we have to give up a murderous tool for a baskeball player.

Way to go.
 
2022-12-08 8:27:12 AM  
Hey, I'm so happy some dipstick could go play basketball for a Russian oligarch and get busted for something stupid, so that a murderer could go free when we needed to get her out.

"Hey, I could make a million bucks by working in/moving to a super corrupt place that hates me, my country, and what my country stands for... what could possibly go wrong?"
 
2022-12-08 8:27:34 AM  

Mangoose: NewportBarGuy: Good trade... That guy will get his another time.

I mean, we're releasing an arms dealer to a country that is the aggressor in a war. People will die because of this.


Whatever happened to that 'don't negotiate with terrorists' policy?
 
2022-12-08 8:28:19 AM  

Mangoose: NewportBarGuy: Good trade... That guy will get his another time.

I mean, we're releasing an arms dealer to a country that is the aggressor in a war. People will die because of this.


What exactly are the new capabilities for Russia that this dude will bring to the table?
 
2022-12-08 8:28:24 AM  

Mangoose: NewportBarGuy: Good trade... That guy will get his another time.

I mean, we're releasing an arms dealer to a country that is the aggressor in a war. People will die because of this.


Not really... his specialty was moving Russian arms to other countries.

They are running short on those. He did not play the reverse game of buying arms and bringing them home.

I think that fear is incredibly misplaced.
 
2022-12-08 8:28:46 AM  

SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.


You're right. Being thrown in a Russian prison for hash oil is not in any way comparable to her right to criticize the US.
 
2022-12-08 8:29:21 AM  

SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.


I've never thought about like that before.

After all, why would an African-American lesbian have complaints about America?
 
2022-12-08 8:30:56 AM  
We should have traded Hershel Walker for her.  He gets so overvalued, we probably could have gotten a second round prisoner next year, too.
 
2022-12-08 8:31:40 AM  

someonelse: SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.

You're right. Being thrown in a Russian prison for hash oil is not in any way comparable to her right to criticize the US.


Which was her own stupid fault, unlike Paul Wheland being accused of spying, he should be the one on the plane. OR both, but her release was not worth this guy. I am sorry you don't understand that.
 
2022-12-08 8:31:59 AM  
Bad move. For so many reasons.
 
2022-12-08 8:32:04 AM  

SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.


I guess I am a dick too.  We are saying the false imprisonment of a famous person is worth trading to end the VALID imprisonment of a mass murderer (or at least the guy responsible for mass murder)?  I am sure her family is happy.  I am wonder what the families of the THOUSANDS of people who died because of Bout's weapons feel.
 
2022-12-08 8:32:12 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Good trade... That guy will get his another time.


Eh, he'll probably end up selling leftover Russian arms to Ukraine once Putin's regime crumbles, so it's all good.
 
2022-12-08 8:32:24 AM  
It would be a real shame if one of the weapons he sold gets him.
 
2022-12-08 8:32:57 AM  

toraque: Is this going to encourage Putin to continue grabbing random people just as hostages, or would he just be doing that anyway?

Either way, it's a bad idea to travel anywhere near Russia if you can avoid it.


Maybe don't go to Russia with illegal drugs and don't give him a chance.

It's a shame that we have to release a legitimate criminal to get her home.
 
2022-12-08 8:33:03 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Mangoose: NewportBarGuy: Good trade... That guy will get his another time.

I mean, we're releasing an arms dealer to a country that is the aggressor in a war. People will die because of this.

Not really... his specialty was moving Russian arms to other countries.

They are running short on those. He did not play the reverse game of buying arms and bringing them home.

I think that fear is incredibly misplaced.


Yeah, not to mention this guy's punishment is he has to go live in Russia. He'll be drafted as cannon fodder within 30 days.
 
2022-12-08 8:33:06 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Mangoose: NewportBarGuy: Good trade... That guy will get his another time.

I mean, we're releasing an arms dealer to a country that is the aggressor in a war. People will die because of this.

Not really... his specialty was moving Russian arms to other countries.

They are running short on those. He did not play the reverse game of buying arms and bringing them home.

I think that fear is incredibly misplaced.


Agreed. And he's been out of the arms merchant game for 13 years. Things have changed. He'll certainly try to get back in, but he'll be significantly hobbled, in obvious ways and in ways we may never know.
 
2022-12-08 8:33:08 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Mangoose: NewportBarGuy: Good trade... That guy will get his another time.

I mean, we're releasing an arms dealer to a country that is the aggressor in a war. People will die because of this.

Not really... his specialty was moving Russian arms to other countries.

They are running short on those. He did not play the reverse game of buying arms and bringing them home.

I think that fear is incredibly misplaced.


The man is a connected arms dealer. How hard would it be for a man like him to get weapons for Putin?
 
2022-12-08 8:33:41 AM  

cowsaregoodeating: Bad move. For so many reasons.


The PR value in getting a somewhat prominent American arrested on trumped up charges out of Russia is probably the biggest reason this works.
 
2022-12-08 8:34:08 AM  
Releasing Bout isn't worth it.

Grinder should've also known better. You don't play in NK, you should treat Russia the same way
 
2022-12-08 8:34:25 AM  

SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.


The first amendment was created exactly for that purpose
 
2022-12-08 8:34:48 AM  
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2022-12-08 8:35:05 AM  

SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.


America looks after its citizens.  Even the ones who exercise their opinions of it in a despairingly way.   Seeing how well Russia's other top combat experts are faring at the moment, he'll be blown up in the Dontesk region before New Years.
 
2022-12-08 8:35:13 AM  

SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.


Nobody has ever been proud to know you.
 
2022-12-08 8:35:29 AM  
I'd like to hear why Paul Whelan wasn't included in the swap.
 
2022-12-08 8:35:32 AM  
WNBA star? What is that?
 
2022-12-08 8:35:35 AM  
Maybe his first assignment back will be dealing with Putin?
 
2022-12-08 8:36:00 AM  

JulieAzel626: SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.

I've never thought about like that before.

After all, why would an African-American lesbian have complaints about America?


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2022-12-08 8:36:01 AM  

JulieAzel626: SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.

I've never thought about like that before.

After all, why would an African-American lesbian have complaints about America?


She chose to go to Russia and have that stuff in her luggage, she self goaled herself. She can complain about America all she wants, But maybe don't go to places that aren't exactly friendly with America, Wheland has been there longer and on more dubious bs charges.
 
2022-12-08 8:36:03 AM  
This has been in the works for some time:  https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/07/britney-griner-viktor-bout-trade.html

The judge who sentenced Bout thinks he's served enough time (11 years of the 25 year sentence).  The sentence was mandated at 25 years because he sold arms to FARC - a designated terrorist org.

My disappointment is that they didn't secure the release of Paul Whelan, but he might actually be a US agent so it's a tough call.  I can't say.  Russia likely wants a spy for him.
 
2022-12-08 8:36:44 AM  

somedude210: Releasing Bout isn't worth it.

Grinder should've also known better. You don't play in NK, you should treat Russia the same way


Russia's status as a hostile nation has been known for quite a while now.  It's not like this is the 1990's or something.
 
2022-12-08 8:36:55 AM  
Yeah, this guy is totally going to be able to get weapons that Russia couldn't before. 🙄
 
2022-12-08 8:36:56 AM  
I am not going to judge anyone on why they were in say, Russia or some other farked up country, BUT, if I were to go there - and I were of any kind of raised profile person, I wouldn't bring anything but my ticket and passport to the airport for the return trip.  No way I would trust anyone handling my luggage or someone to not slip something into a suit pocket.  I would dispose of all my belongings and travel ultra light.

And even then you might get arrested kidnapped

Good on Biden for fixing this.
 
2022-12-08 8:37:39 AM  

SeraphicSorcerer: Which was her own stupid fault, unlike Paul Wheland being accused of spying, he should be the one on the plane. OR both, but her release was not worth this guy. I am sorry you don't understand that.


Have you considered the fact that Paul Wheland might actually be a spy? He's ex-military hanging out in Russia for "reasons". I'm just saying.
 
2022-12-08 8:37:42 AM  

Great_Milenko: cowsaregoodeating: Bad move. For so many reasons.

The PR value in getting a somewhat prominent American arrested on trumped up charges out of Russia is probably the biggest reason this works.


They'll cook him for his old contacts, and see if those guys are interested in reversing the sales direction for a while. If they're even still around: I have to imagine that I wouldn't be.
 
2022-12-08 8:38:59 AM  
Smart move.  Putin needs weapons and Biden needs a strong rebounder.
 
2022-12-08 8:39:38 AM  

Badmoodman: I'd like to hear why Paul Whelan wasn't included in the swap.


We're waiting until the time is right to send Trump over in exchange for him.
 
2022-12-08 8:40:05 AM  

Mangoose: NewportBarGuy: Good trade... That guy will get his another time.

I mean, we're releasing an arms dealer to a country that is the aggressor in a war. People will die because of this.


I'm assuming they didn't give him back his inventory.
 
2022-12-08 8:40:28 AM  

RoxnSox: We should have traded Hershel Walker for her.  He gets so overvalued, we probably could have gotten a second round prisoner next year, too.


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2022-12-08 8:40:37 AM  

Greil: They'll cook him for his old contacts, and see if those guys are interested in reversing the sales direction for a while.


Watching the war in Ukraine, I can't say I'm super scared of Russia getting it's hands on more old Soviet weapons. They all seem a bit past their expiration dates.Their most effective campaigns were using Iranian weapons, not Soviet.
 
2022-12-08 8:40:45 AM  

JokerMattly: SeraphicSorcerer: Which was her own stupid fault, unlike Paul Wheland being accused of spying, he should be the one on the plane. OR both, but her release was not worth this guy. I am sorry you don't understand that.

Have you considered the fact that Paul Wheland might actually be a spy? He's ex-military hanging out in Russia for "reasons". I'm just saying.


I am former Military guess that makes me a spy. Since you know I've been to tons of European/slavic countries.

He got a bad conduct discharge, no way he was ever going to be a spy for 3 letter agencies.

What's hilarious is you're saying that Griner is more worthy than Wheland to come home, and that's exactly why I think this deal is bs.
 
2022-12-08 8:40:45 AM  

hotrod2001: SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.

America looks after its citizens.  Even the ones who exercise their opinions of it in a despairingly way.


We should stop wasting resources on the intensely stupid ones who get themselves in trouble.  That includes her, warmbier, the dumb christians who went to proselytize in somalia, morons who try to go across the world in a small boat alone, whatever.

FAFO
 
2022-12-08 8:40:57 AM  
But not Paul Whelan?
 
2022-12-08 8:41:06 AM  

bighairyguy: Smart move.  Putin needs weapons and Biden needs a strong rebounder.


Especially after getting wiped out in the Midterms.
 
2022-12-08 8:41:10 AM  

SeraphicSorcerer: I am sorry for being the AH. But  Griner who constantly complained about How much America Sucks etc, is not worth sending back the Merchant of death

Did she receive an unjust sentence? definitely. but The 2 aren't even comparable.


So, because she points out the failings in America, we should leave her there to suffer? That seems pretty farking ghoulish.
 
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