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2022-12-08 7:50:07 AM  
Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel
 
2022-12-08 7:50:42 AM  
Was Wonder Woman going to rape another guy? I bet she was going to rape another guy
 
2022-12-08 7:51:29 AM  

caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel


Didn't she fly by lassoing an rpg round at one point in that movie?
 
2022-12-08 7:51:47 AM  
I think ww3 should be Peacemaker et al doing a live MST3K of Wonder Woman 84.
 
2022-12-08 7:58:56 AM  
From the rumors that have been popping up, we can call this James Gunn Destroys the DCEU

Snyder fanboys and fanbots bawling in the streets
 
2022-12-08 8:00:49 AM  
Commando Mall Fight > Wonder Woman Mall Fight

/I really like the first WW Movie
 
2022-12-08 8:05:20 AM  
Patty Jenkins submitted a treatment for the WW3 movie (co-written with Geoff Johns) to the powers that be, and they rejected it. Could this not just mean that they want the script to be changed to reflect a long term plan like the MCU? It doesn't explicitly say WW3 is dead in the water. They might just want it reworked to fit into a more cohesive universe.
 
2022-12-08 8:11:55 AM  
All of this goes down a day after a curious tweet from Wonder Woman star Gal Gadot, who thanked fans

The fark?  The lead actress is named "Gal"?  Is that the female equivalent of naming a male "Guy"?  She should marry Guy Fieri and together they could be called "Guy and Gal".
 
2022-12-08 8:19:56 AM  
*James Gunn's plan for DCEU*

Add moar music playlist

-Dictated but not read.
 
2022-12-08 8:29:06 AM  

McGrits: Commando Mall Fight > Wonder Woman Mall Fight

/I really like the first WW Movie


I thought the first movie was okay, but not great.  The fish out of water thing came across as a bit too naive and ignorant.  It worked for Thor in his first movie because he was basically a meathead, but Wonder Woman should have been a bit quicker on the uptake for some stuff.

Also, the third act CGI fightfest was on par with the worst of the MCU's CGI pew pew third acts.  Overall, it's not a bad movie, and certainly better than average for live-action DC movies, but I don't think it's much better than decent.
 
2022-12-08 8:32:26 AM  

caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel


Loved the first one, walked out of the second. Pissant villain was not worthy.
 
2022-12-08 8:37:50 AM  

AntonChigger: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Didn't she fly by lassoing an rpg round at one point in that movie?


I don't remember that. I do remember that 3/4 of the way through the movie she conveniently remembered that she was taught how to turn airworthy museum jets invisible.

The first one wasn't good by any means... It was just "what if Captain America 1 starred Thor?" But it was a farking masterpiece compared to that second film.
 
2022-12-08 8:40:20 AM  
TFA summary: "Patty Jenkins turns in first draft for Wonder Woman sequel, new bosses say it needs work. We will now fill the rest of the page with wild speculation, baseless theories, and just generally waste your time."
 
2022-12-08 8:42:52 AM  
Things I learned from Wonder Woman 1984

1. The Smithsonian keeps fueled-up jets, ready to go at all time.

2. The consciousness of a pilot dude from 1915 inside the body of a sexually abused man from 1984 can fly a jet fighter.

3. After a city leveling event you can fly a presidential helicopter to the exact spot where your lost kid just happens to be at...in 1984... without any gps.
 
2022-12-08 8:48:37 AM  

natazha: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Loved the first one, walked out of the second. Pissant villain was not worthy.


The funny thing is that the much-maligned Zack Snyder was heavily involved with the first one, whereas the second one was almost all Patty Jenkins. It's no wonder any script from her would be subjected to very close scrutiny.
 
2022-12-08 8:52:59 AM  

Magnus Eisengrim: natazha: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Loved the first one, walked out of the second. Pissant villain was not worthy.

The funny thing is that the much-maligned Zack Snyder was heavily involved with the first one, whereas the second one was almost all Patty Jenkins. It's no wonder any script from her would be subjected to very close scrutiny.


Glad that Rogue Squadron project they had over at Disney-Lucasfilm got summarily chucked out an airlock. If she was bringing  the same level of "competency" and attention to detail it would have been worse than Book of Boba Fett.
 
2022-12-08 8:55:22 AM  

Bslim: Things I learned from Wonder Woman 1984

1. The Smithsonian keeps fueled-up jets, ready to go at all time.

2. The consciousness of a pilot dude from 1915 inside the body of a sexually abused man from 1984 can fly a jet fighter.

3. After a city leveling event you can fly a presidential helicopter to the exact spot where your lost kid just happens to be at...in 1984... without any gps.


The real lesson of WW84 is you shouldn't steal a single gag from a Jim Carrey movie and try to stretch it out to feature length. It's literally just the sideplot from Bruce Almighty where the main character causes chaos by saying yes to everyone's prayers, only more cartoonish and less logical than Carrey's original version.

Let's repeat that, shall we? It's more cartoonish and less logical than Carrey's original version.

That just shouldn't happen.

/plus the movie is WW2, but she's in the 1980s instead of WW2. How do you make a WW2 movie with no WW2 when WW1 was all about WW1? It's right there in front of you!
 
2022-12-08 9:20:37 AM  

Galileo's Daughter: Patty Jenkins submitted a treatment for the WW3 movie (co-written with Geoff Johns) to the powers that be, and they rejected it. Could this not just mean that they want the script to be changed to reflect a long term plan like the MCU? It doesn't explicitly say WW3 is dead in the water. They might just want it reworked to fit into a more cohesive universe.


Or it could mean the script wasn't good, like the last one.

It's okay to quit pretending Patty Jenkins is some auteur.
 
2022-12-08 9:23:45 AM  

AntonChigger: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Didn't she fly by lassoing an rpg round at one point in that movie?


Worse. She swings from bolts of lightning.

Wonder Woman 1984 | Diana Rides Lightning
Youtube MJser6lwvpA
 
2022-12-08 9:27:28 AM  

Jack of All Games: AntonChigger: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Didn't she fly by lassoing an rpg round at one point in that movie?

Worse. She swings from bolts of lightning.

[YouTube video: Wonder Woman 1984 | Diana Rides Lightning]


Oh my god, now I remember. When we first saw it, we were like...DAFUUUUQ WAS THAT?
Obviously, someone greenlit it and another group of folks agreed that it looked "cool." All should have been fired and escorted off the lot.
 
2022-12-08 9:29:14 AM  
I hate movies whose plots (and resolution) hinge entirely on convenient yet imbecilic magic spells, especially when the final act is almost entirely CG with some real faces pasted on here and there. BUT ENOUGH ABOUT SPIDERMAN: NO WAY HOME!? :D
 
2022-12-08 9:36:22 AM  

natazha: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Loved the first one, walked out of the second. Pissant villain was not worthy.


So did you walk out of your house, or were you one of the suckers who spent mote on a movie ticket than a month of HBOMax costs??
 
2022-12-08 9:48:10 AM  
Pretty sure Gunn would cancel anything in the works from before he got there.  Like any good turn around expert, if the previous management team had known what they were doing, he wouldn't even be there - so pretty good idea to be suspicious.  Especially with Patty Jenkins, whose last movie sucked and last high profile "she's a woman!" project got booted by Kathleen Kennedy, who isn't exactly known for competency or quality control.
 
2022-12-08 9:52:33 AM  

Jack of All Games: AntonChigger: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Didn't she fly by lassoing an rpg round at one point in that movie?

Worse. She swings from bolts of lightning.

[YouTube video: Wonder Woman 1984 | Diana Rides Lightning]


"I've got a great idea for a scene! Diana's going to swing through the sky like Spider-Man, but instead of lassoing buildings, she's lassoing lightning bolts!"

"Uhh, what? I know this is a comic book movie, but even on that level, that still makes no sense whatsoever."

"Aw come on, don't you get it? She's in 1984 and she's riding the lightning! Metallica put out a song called 'Ride the Lightning' in 1984! It's a clever reference to the time period, see?"

"Patty, you have no clue what that song's about, do you?"
 
2022-12-08 9:56:22 AM  
That sounds like a smart move. After seeing, and liking a lot, the first WW movie I was all excited for WW1984 and then it turned out to be soooooooo bad. If that's Patty Jenkins when she has full control she should never be given full control.

The first one wasn't perfect, but it was really good. The second one was just trash from start to finish. I felt bad for my wife who was REALLY excited for the sequel and then massively let down by the reality.
 
2022-12-08 10:02:59 AM  

EdgeRunner: Plus the movie is WW2, but she's in the 1980s instead of WW2. How do you make a WW2 movie with no WW2 when WW1 was all about WW1? It's right there in front of you!


Then there'd be even less of a distinction between her and Captain America. And NOBODY wants to see how bad her movie would look in comparison
 
2022-12-08 10:09:12 AM  

Jack of All Games: AntonChigger: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Didn't she fly by lassoing an rpg round at one point in that movie?

Worse. She swings from bolts of lightning.

[YouTube video: Wonder Woman 1984 | Diana Rides Lightning]


The weirdest part about that scene is that Jenkins just used the main theme from Sunshine instead of having a new piece composed. Recycling themes like that works for movie trailers but it is just weird for the actual movie.

It really took me out of the scene thinking about Captain America, The Scarecrow, Moria McTaggert, Shang-Chi's aunt, and Sorcerer Supreme Wong flying a spaceship into the Sun.
 
2022-12-08 10:41:44 AM  
DC is really between a rock and a hard place, they have batman locked down to where any director with talent can be pointed in a direction and make a profitable movie, and after 1 WW movie the hope was they had a formula for WW as well, but the sequel quickly dashed those hopes. Also with the internal turmoil of WB reshuffling their deck every 2 years isnt helping.

DC also had a strong portrayal of middlin heroes in the arrowverse, some good animation going on, 2 good seasons of doom patrol, and a cool season of peacemaker.

All the while trying to catch up with marvel and the threads they want to pull together into a united universe are uneven and in most cases strangely told, the actors aside from movie flash are well cast and charismatic, the stories about them are blowful to average.

The possibility of a justice league versus rogue superman is in the ether but DC/WBs ability to set up such a film seems shaky at best.

Cavil Gadot Robbie are great Rock Cena Viola Davis and Momoa are really good the rest can be recast and ezra miller seems insane. They something less cgi-tastic and more well written character developing scripts
 
2022-12-08 10:49:16 AM  

Ghost Roach: EdgeRunner: Plus the movie is WW2, but she's in the 1980s instead of WW2. How do you make a WW2 movie with no WW2 when WW1 was all about WW1? It's right there in front of you!

Then there'd be even less of a distinction between her and Captain America. And NOBODY wants to see how bad her movie would look in comparison


Captain America was pretty good, but let's not overpraise it. Nobody minded when they recycled big chunks of it into Captain Marvel.
 
2022-12-08 10:50:12 AM  

Galileo's Daughter: Patty Jenkins submitted a treatment for the WW3 movie (co-written with Geoff Johns) to the powers that be, and they rejected it. Could this not just mean that they want the script to be changed to reflect a long term plan like the MCU? It doesn't explicitly say WW3 is dead in the water. They might just want it reworked to fit into a more cohesive universe.


Given the fact that the day before Gal Gadot tweeted that she was looking forward to WW3, it sure seems like this was unexpected, that Jenkins and Gadot assumed the treatment would be green lighted and pre-production would immediately start.

And, if DC still wants to do a WW film with Gadot and Jenkins, they would have handled he PR very differently, such as having Gunn issue a statement saying that despite requested changes, they're committed to doing another WW film and with Jenkins.

My prediction: Between all of the issues with The Flash and Black Adam's so-so performance, DC just wants to nuke the Snyder-DC universe and start over.
 
2022-12-08 10:58:13 AM  
WW 84 was just not a good movie.  So bad I began to wonder if we just had some shared delusion about the first one being good.  It still is.  They had the key players back for the sequel, and it's not like they needed to break new cinematic ground, it's a damn superhero movie.  But ugh.
 
2022-12-08 11:07:01 AM  
thornhill:.

My prediction: Between all of the issues with The Flash and Black Adam's so-so performance, DC just wants to nuke the Snyder-DC universe and start over.


I think they are trying to detach that toxic and over-involved fandom, maybe hoping over a few years that those kids/manchildren will attach themselves to somebody else's work and let them rebuild in peace.  Good farking luck to that!  If Star Trek fandom has taught us anything, its that there will always be a segment of the fandom that is completely deranged: Fans will wait forever for their lost love, like a stalker standing on your property, just outside of the lamp-light.
 
2022-12-08 11:20:06 AM  

deadsanta: thornhill:.

My prediction: Between all of the issues with The Flash and Black Adam's so-so performance, DC just wants to nuke the Snyder-DC universe and start over.

I think they are trying to detach that toxic and over-involved fandom, and replace it with their own.


Quick edit for clarity.

The few Snyder drones I know liked Gunn's Suicide Squad so I don't think there will be a backlash. If the first movie is fun and popular then most'll come running and the remainder will be drowned out.
 
2022-12-08 11:36:45 AM  

Jack of All Games: AntonChigger: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Didn't she fly by lassoing an rpg round at one point in that movie?

Worse. She swings from bolts of lightning.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/MJser6lwvpA]


To be fair, Ride the Lightning is the best Metallica album.
 
2022-12-08 11:37:02 AM  

Myk-House of El: WW 84 was just not a good movie.  So bad I began to wonder if we just had some shared delusion about the first one being good.  It still is.  They had the key players back for the sequel, and it's not like they needed to break new cinematic ground, it's a damn superhero movie.  But ugh.


News flash- they were both awful.

Gal Gadot brought nothing to the character as well.
 
2022-12-08 11:38:22 AM  

thornhill: My prediction: Between all of the issues with The Flash and Black Adam's so-so performance, DC just wants to nuke the Snyder-DC universe and start over.


If so, that's the smartest decision they could possibly make. They tried; it didn't work, and their efforts to Weekend-at-Bernie's the corpse of the DCEU to make it look like it's still a relevant, functioning thing is just wasting time and money.

Just nuke the DCEU from orbit (it's the only way to be sure) and start anew.  If you want some holdovers, fine.  Henry Cavill can still be a good Superman as long as he's given a competently written story to bring to life.  Zachary Levi and his take on Shazam! was one of the few good things about the DCEU, so it'd be nice if he could stick around.  The revamped Suicide Squad was decent too, so that can stay.  The rest needs to go.
 
2022-12-08 11:43:14 AM  

caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel


We're probably gonna get another Wonder Woman, it just won't have Jenkins steering the ship into social icebergs and presumably have a more coherent plot that doesn't focus on spectacle.
 
2022-12-08 11:49:17 AM  

scotchcrotch: Myk-House of El: WW 84 was just not a good movie.  So bad I began to wonder if we just had some shared delusion about the first one being good.  It still is.  They had the key players back for the sequel, and it's not like they needed to break new cinematic ground, it's a damn superhero movie.  But ugh.

News flash- they were both awful.

Gal Gadot brought nothing to the character as well.


Are you allowed to say that here?
 
2022-12-08 11:56:11 AM  

Myk-House of El: WW 84 was just not a good movie.  So bad I began to wonder if we just had some shared delusion about the first one being good.  It still is.  They had the key players back for the sequel, and it's not like they needed to break new cinematic ground, it's a damn superhero movie.  But ugh.


The first one had that rag tag team of annoyinng supporting characters that were useless except  for a little comic relief, but was OK. The 2nd one had a real "designed by committee" feel to it, like they cast Kristin Wiig and Pedro Pascal and then someone insisted on resurrecting Chris Pine because he was hot too. Then a flimsy story was wrapped around the casting decisions and they shot a movie. Good movies start with a good script, and then you make casting choices, not the other way around.
 
2022-12-08 11:58:02 AM  

steve_wmn: Myk-House of El: WW 84 was just not a good movie.  So bad I began to wonder if we just had some shared delusion about the first one being good.  It still is.  They had the key players back for the sequel, and it's not like they needed to break new cinematic ground, it's a damn superhero movie.  But ugh.

The first one had that rag tag team of annoyinng supporting characters that were useless except  for a little comic relief, but was OK. The 2nd one had a real "designed by committee" feel to it, like they cast Kristin Wiig and Pedro Pascal and then someone insisted on resurrecting Chris Pine because he was hot too. Then a flimsy story was wrapped around the casting decisions and they shot a movie. Good movies start with a good script, and then you make casting choices, not the other way around.


Iron Man may be one of the best superhero movies ever and it started with no script. Talent and skill count for a lot.
 
2022-12-08 12:09:22 PM  

floor: deadsanta: thornhill:.

My prediction: Between all of the issues with The Flash and Black Adam's so-so performance, DC just wants to nuke the Snyder-DC universe and start over.

I think they are trying to detach that toxic and over-involved fandom, and replace it with their own.

Quick edit for clarity.

The few Snyder drones I know liked Gunn's Suicide Squad so I don't think there will be a backlash. If the first movie is fun and popular then most'll come running and the remainder will be drowned out.


WB/DC still has four movies left over from the pre-merger folks scheduled for 2023: Shazam 2, The Flash, Blue Beetle, and Aquaman 2. We're not going to see the fruits off the GunnVerse for another year+
 
2022-12-08 12:11:03 PM  

Myk-House of El: WW 84 was just not a good movie.  So bad I began to wonder if we just had some shared delusion about the first one being good.  It still is.  They had the key players back for the sequel, and it's not like they needed to break new cinematic ground, it's a damn superhero movie.  But ugh.


WW84 was hot garbage from start to finish.  And I'm a guy that likes the Snyder stuff.

I think they kicked back the treatment because they want to find a door to push Patty Jenkins through, but would prefer it if she just walked herself out.
 
2022-12-08 12:20:29 PM  
Gadot is a weak actress. She was hired because she was pretty. 

Jenkins might be a competent director, but she's not a writer. Her scripts are terrible.

The CGI in those movies is weak and cheap.

Recast, rehire, focus on the script.
 
2022-12-08 12:30:00 PM  

Plaster Lion: Gadot is a weak actress. She was hired because she was pretty. 

Jenkins might be a competent director, but she's not a writer. Her scripts are terrible.

The CGI in those movies is weak and cheap.

Recast, rehire, focus on the script.


But definitely keep the joke that smart women cannot wear high heels, and have that be an acheiveable goal by a main character.  Definitely keep that.
 
2022-12-08 12:31:32 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Patty Jenkins submitted a treatment for the WW3 movie (co-written with Geoff Johns) to the powers that be, and they rejected it. Could this not just mean that they want the script to be changed to reflect a long term plan like the MCU? It doesn't explicitly say WW3 is dead in the water. They might just want it reworked to fit into a more cohesive universe.


Yes, obviously.  WW2 was an abysmal train wreck and I'm going to assume this treatment for WW3 was even more of a trainwreck.

Hopefully that means the new people in charge actually have standards.  Which... would be refreshing.  DCEU is a hot mess.

But yeah, submit one that doesn't suck, I'm sure they'll be more than willing to make it.
 
2022-12-08 12:31:56 PM  
Xposted from elsewhere:

THANK GOD. The Snyderverse was bereft of the humanity and warmth that made the 90's DCAU so iconic and memorable. If you put Paul Dini and Todd Phillps in the writer's room as leading voices, I'd buy tickets for EVERYTHING they're involved in.
 
2022-12-08 12:33:00 PM  

steve_wmn: Myk-House of El: WW 84 was just not a good movie.  So bad I began to wonder if we just had some shared delusion about the first one being good.  It still is.  They had the key players back for the sequel, and it's not like they needed to break new cinematic ground, it's a damn superhero movie.  But ugh.

The first one had that rag tag team of annoyinng supporting characters that were useless except  for a little comic relief, but was OK. The 2nd one had a real "designed by committee" feel to it, like they cast Kristin Wiig and Pedro Pascal and then someone insisted on resurrecting Chris Pine because he was hot too. Then a flimsy story was wrapped around the casting decisions and they shot a movie. Good movies start with a good script, and then you make casting choices, not the other way around.


I have to go on record admitting that I like looking at Gadot on screen, consequently I liked her as WW innher first outing.
That said, her acting skills didn't improve from there to the sequel (It could be argued that they deteriorated. Apparently she has decided on a career arc of just getting by on looks.)
So we get to WW-1984, the cast gets announced and BOOM: Kristin Wiig. Immediate red-flags. She has comedic talent, not gonna deny that, but by the same token, her stock "whacky" persona sets a tone wherever they put her. I knew it was going downhill from there, and booooooy did it go downhill.
 
2022-12-08 12:35:49 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Jack of All Games: AntonChigger: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Didn't she fly by lassoing an rpg round at one point in that movie?

Worse. She swings from bolts of lightning.

[YouTube video: Wonder Woman 1984 | Diana Rides Lightning]

The weirdest part about that scene is that Jenkins just used the main theme from Sunshine instead of having a new piece composed. Recycling themes like that works for movie trailers but it is just weird for the actual movie.

It really took me out of the scene thinking about Captain America, The Scarecrow, Moria McTaggert, Shang-Chi's aunt, and Sorcerer Supreme Wong flying a spaceship into the Sun.


Also Akihko from Endgame.
 
2022-12-08 12:40:34 PM  

Mad_Radhu: The weirdest part about that scene is that Jenkins just used the main theme from Sunshine instead of having a new piece composed. Recycling themes like that works for movie trailers but it is just weird for the actual movie.


I can tell if a movie is gonna suck if I hear anything from "Carmina Burana" (particularly O Fortuna) or the theme that originated with Pirates of the Caribbean.   Both are heavily abused in film, and it drives me nuts.
 
2022-12-08 12:43:21 PM  

Jack of All Games: AntonChigger: caffeine_addict: Kind of a shame.  I was hoping they could recover from that awfully corny sequel

Didn't she fly by lassoing an rpg round at one point in that movie?

Worse. She swings from bolts of lightning.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/MJser6lwvpA]


Remember Ang Lee did something similar in his Hulk movie.
 
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