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(Slate)   Apparently Joe Manchin was just being a trolling edgelord this whole time   (slate.com) divider line
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2022-12-07 4:56:37 PM  
I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.
 
2022-12-07 5:06:01 PM  
FTFA: "The bottom line," he said, is that being the 50th vote, and all the pressure it entails, is "not an enviable position to be in."

Yeah, it must be rough having all that power and being forced to use it for evil. I mean, if only he could have done something about all the choices he made while he had it.
 
2022-12-07 5:11:01 PM  
Oh, I'm sure there are two other senators out there who are willing to take up the torch.
 
2022-12-07 5:16:51 PM  
Now he can just vote no on everything, and then blame someone else for shiat not passing.
 
2022-12-07 5:16:55 PM  

snowjack: FTFA: "The bottom line," he said, is that being the 50th vote, and all the pressure it entails, is "not an enviable position to be in."

Yeah, it must be rough having all that power and being forced to use it for evil. I mean, if only he could have done something about all the choices he made while he had it.


I feel terrible for the poor man. When is the candlelight vigil?
 
2022-12-07 5:23:22 PM  
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2022-12-07 5:25:24 PM  
Too bad we could not make it 52 or 53.
 
2022-12-07 5:31:43 PM  

gameshowhost: [Fark user image 398x196]


goddamnit wrong thread
 
2022-12-07 5:43:40 PM  

Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.


'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no
 
2022-12-07 5:45:04 PM  

gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no


Well you my friend have a lot more faith in West Virginian voters than I do, that's for goddamn sure.
 
2022-12-07 5:49:34 PM  
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2022-12-07 5:49:59 PM  
Ah yes, the old "Quantum Asshole, I was just testing to see if you'd complain and vote me out!" approach to democracy.
 
2022-12-07 5:50:14 PM  
If that's true, then he can quadruple fark off. 

/I say quadruple because I'm sure I already told him to triple go fark himself.
 
2022-12-07 5:51:44 PM  
/wanking motion
 
2022-12-07 5:52:13 PM  
Let's be clear here. We could have gotten 5 extra Senate seats and there would be 5 additional Democrat Senators that suddenly developed "concerns" about legislation that had any hint of progressivism in it.

By progressivism I meant anything that helps the 99% and doesn't help the donor class.
 
2022-12-07 5:52:50 PM  
Joe Manchin: great! Now the other conservatives in the Democratic Party will have to start putting their votes where their money is so I won't get as much heat when I block BBB 2.0. Besides, nothing I won't approve of will be coming out of the House for the next two years now that the Democrats royally farked themselves out of the majority.
 
2022-12-07 5:53:03 PM  
I mean....if you were a corporate shill who got paid to screw everyone else and people figured out that you were a corporate shill and then gave you the business...you might get tired of that too
 
2022-12-07 5:54:22 PM  
Yet the house is now republican so nothing can get done. Very convenient, that.

I want to believe the democrats actually want to win and want to do good things but they sure seem to be experts at losing, even when they win.
 
2022-12-07 5:54:32 PM  

Nintenfreak: gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no

Well you my friend have a lot more faith in West Virginian voters than I do, that's for goddamn sure.


They spent decades repeatedly voting old man Byrd back in there.
 
2022-12-07 5:55:24 PM  

Mugato: snowjack: FTFA: "The bottom line," he said, is that being the 50th vote, and all the pressure it entails, is "not an enviable position to be in."

Yeah, it must be rough having all that power and being forced to use it for evil. I mean, if only he could have done something about all the choices he made while he had it.

I feel terrible for the poor man. When is the candlelight vigil?


An acetylene torch vigil, maybe.
 
2022-12-07 5:56:08 PM  
He has no home. Republicans don't want him, Dems sure as shiat don't. So, EABOD and DIAF.
 
2022-12-07 5:56:38 PM  
All the farkers who want him gone should win some more senate seats first.

/big tent big problems.
 
2022-12-07 5:56:48 PM  

adamatari: I want to believe the democrats actually want to win and want to do good things but they sure seem to be experts at losing, even when they win.


People want to believe Joe Biden is pro-labor because they are unable to face the truth... but he blocked unions from striking.

People wanted to believe Sean Patrick Maloney was good at his job and look at what happened to him.
 
2022-12-07 5:57:41 PM  

gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no

Well you my friend have a lot more faith in West Virginian voters than I do, that's for goddamn sure.

They spent decades repeatedly voting old man Byrd back in there.


here's the thing, voters can get attached to certain people, but if you were to run anyone else instead, they're not gonna do the same for them because they don't like them because of the letter after their name.  Byrd got where he was because of blue dog democrats and they're all dead now and he rode on good will.  This is not a thing that happens in 2022
 
2022-12-07 5:58:22 PM  
"We can confirm probably twice as many judges," Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a member of the Judiciary Committee, told me Wednesday.

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2022-12-07 5:59:14 PM  

gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no


"A genuinely liberal progressive candidate isn't going to win in WV"

-> "You don't know that! You never tried!"

* A genuinely liberal progressive candidate tries, and goes down in a humiliatingly lopsided loss *

-> "No not like that!"

This is called "moving the goalposts." Look up who the previous two Democratic house critters from WV were. They weren't any sort of progressives. One of them was NRA-approved.

I'm sorry but it is a fact: there are significant parts of the country where there does not exist a silent liberal progressive majority just waiting for a magic unicorn candidate. I wish iat weren't the case. But not wanting to acknowledge that fact does not change it.
 
2022-12-07 5:59:58 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Oh, I'm sure there are two other senators out there who are willing to take up the torch.


Chris Coons is in the dugout...
 
2022-12-07 6:00:48 PM  
God he and Sinema should have just shut the holy hell up.
 
2022-12-07 6:01:30 PM  

Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.


Yeah. I think your hot take may age poorly
 
2022-12-07 6:01:44 PM  

Nintenfreak: gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no

Well you my friend have a lot more faith in West Virginian voters than I do, that's for goddamn sure.


It's possible they have their own John Fetterman somewhere, but I'd think that candidate would have to be a known name on the bench already if the statewide election is coming up in two years.

Manchin probably has a whole hell of a lot of influential people in WV really mad at him for voting with Democrats on legislation even as often as he did.
 
2022-12-07 6:02:38 PM  
fark Joe Manchin
 
2022-12-07 6:04:00 PM  
Maybe he should have gotten out of politics and bought Twitter.
 
2022-12-07 6:04:02 PM  

erik-k: gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no

"A genuinely liberal progressive candidate isn't going to win in WV"

-> "You don't know that! You never tried!"

* A genuinely liberal progressive candidate tries, and goes down in a humiliatingly lopsided loss *

-> "No not like that!"

This is called "moving the goalposts." Look up who the previous two Democratic house critters from WV were. They weren't any sort of progressives. One of them was NRA-approved.

I'm sorry but it is a fact: there are significant parts of the country where there does not exist a silent liberal progressive majority just waiting for a magic unicorn candidate. I wish iat weren't the case. But not wanting to acknowledge that fact does not change it.


Fark Moderates: "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE DCCC AND DSCC'S BLACKLISTS AGAINST PROGRESSIVES!!!"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/03/22/progressives-refuse-back-down-dccc-moves-kneecap-primary-challengers

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/29/even-worse-dccc-blacklist-schumer-accused-effort-hamstring-progressives-trying
 
2022-12-07 6:04:16 PM  
What horseshiat. Thanks, Slate. *wanking motion*
 
2022-12-07 6:10:20 PM  
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2022-12-07 6:12:42 PM  

erik-k: gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no

"A genuinely liberal progressive candidate isn't going to win in WV"

-> "You don't know that! You never tried!"

* A genuinely liberal progressive candidate tries, and goes down in a humiliatingly lopsided loss *

-> "No not like that!"

This is called "moving the goalposts."


'Your straw candidate' is not 'me moving goalposts'.

/keep insisting that paula jean was totally the same as the candidate i just posited
 
2022-12-07 6:12:55 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: erik-k: gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no

"A genuinely liberal progressive candidate isn't going to win in WV"

-> "You don't know that! You never tried!"

* A genuinely liberal progressive candidate tries, and goes down in a humiliatingly lopsided loss *

-> "No not like that!"

This is called "moving the goalposts." Look up who the previous two Democratic house critters from WV were. They weren't any sort of progressives. One of them was NRA-approved.

I'm sorry but it is a fact: there are significant parts of the country where there does not exist a silent liberal progressive majority just waiting for a magic unicorn candidate. I wish iat weren't the case. But not wanting to acknowledge that fact does not change it.

Fark Moderates: "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE DCCC AND DSCC'S BLACKLISTS AGAINST PROGRESSIVES!!!"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/03/22/progressives-refuse-back-down-dccc-moves-kneecap-primary-challengers

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/29/even-worse-dccc-blacklist-schumer-accused-effort-hamstring-progressives-trying


Sooo..."deep state"?

This is why no one takes Fark Progressives seriously. You resort to the same level of magical thinking as MAGAts. No amount of cherry-picked data points or conspiratorial analysis changes the fact West Virginia is not even close to voting for an actual progressive.
 
2022-12-07 6:13:22 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: What horseshiat. Thanks, Slate. *wanking motion*


Exactly, medium temperature lameness.

Just wish we could gather up all the Rightietighties and drop em off in a real Progressive leftist country for a few years so they realize our Dems are barely left of center, some even center-right on the global scale. You know, one of those countries where you can shop and go to school without getting shot, people actually have living wages, and the water is drinkable. Totally insane ideas, *eyeroll*
 
2022-12-07 6:14:39 PM  
You know how you can avoid the stress and pressure of being the 50th vote?

DON'T BE THE 50TH VOTE, ASSHOLE!!!
 
2022-12-07 6:15:37 PM  
/is this the part where it's somehow my responsibility to do the democratic party's legwork for it?
 
2022-12-07 6:17:35 PM  

jook: Bith Set Me Up: erik-k: gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no

"A genuinely liberal progressive candidate isn't going to win in WV"

-> "You don't know that! You never tried!"

* A genuinely liberal progressive candidate tries, and goes down in a humiliatingly lopsided loss *

-> "No not like that!"

This is called "moving the goalposts." Look up who the previous two Democratic house critters from WV were. They weren't any sort of progressives. One of them was NRA-approved.

I'm sorry but it is a fact: there are significant parts of the country where there does not exist a silent liberal progressive majority just waiting for a magic unicorn candidate. I wish iat weren't the case. But not wanting to acknowledge that fact does not change it.

Fark Moderates: "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE DCCC AND DSCC'S BLACKLISTS AGAINST PROGRESSIVES!!!"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/03/22/progressives-refuse-back-down-dccc-moves-kneecap-primary-challengers

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/29/even-worse-dccc-blacklist-schumer-accused-effort-hamstring-progressives-trying

Sooo..."deep state"?

This is why no one takes Fark Progressives seriously. You resort to the same level of magical thinking as MAGAts. No amount of cherry-picked data points or conspiratorial analysis changes the fact West Virginia is not even close to voting for an actual progressive.


I'm a huge progressive.  I'm also a realist.
 
2022-12-07 6:17:45 PM  

greensunshine: All the farkers who want him gone should win some more senate seats first.


Last I checked none of us work for the DNC so this is literally not our problem to fix. It's theirs. Go get mad at them.
 
2022-12-07 6:18:24 PM  

jook: Bith Set Me Up: erik-k: gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no

"A genuinely liberal progressive candidate isn't going to win in WV"

-> "You don't know that! You never tried!"

* A genuinely liberal progressive candidate tries, and goes down in a humiliatingly lopsided loss *

-> "No not like that!"

This is called "moving the goalposts." Look up who the previous two Democratic house critters from WV were. They weren't any sort of progressives. One of them was NRA-approved.

I'm sorry but it is a fact: there are significant parts of the country where there does not exist a silent liberal progressive majority just waiting for a magic unicorn candidate. I wish iat weren't the case. But not wanting to acknowledge that fact does not change it.

Fark Moderates: "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE DCCC AND DSCC'S BLACKLISTS AGAINST PROGRESSIVES!!!"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/03/22/progressives-refuse-back-down-dccc-moves-kneecap-primary-challengers

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/29/even-worse-dccc-blacklist-schumer-accused-effort-hamstring-progressives-trying

Sooo..."deep state"?

This is why no one takes Fark Progressives seriously. You resort to the same level of magical thinking as MAGAts. No amount of cherry-picked data points or conspiratorial analysis changes the fact West Virginia is not even close to voting for an actual progressive.


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Moderate Democrats say they abhor the GOP's tactics, but then, they look away when those tactics are being implemented by other Moderate Democrats against progressives.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/22/national-democrats-go-nuclear-publicly-slam-a-dem-candidate-as-corrupt-for-far-less-than-its-own-officials-do/

https://www.fark.com/comments/10924508/AOC-So-clearly-this-means-whole-blacklist-policy-has-ended-right

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/02/coordinated-homophobic-attack-alex-morse-denounced-progressive-challenger-falls

https://theintercept.com/2021/03/08/nevada-democratic-party-dsa/

https://truthout.org/articles/establishment-dems-in-buffalo-unfazed-by-sabotage-of-partys-mayoral-nominee/

https://jacobin.com/2022/03/texas-house-congress-primary-henry-cuellar-jessica-cisneros-tabloid-scandal

Moderate Democrats: "Do as we say, not as we do."
 
2022-12-07 6:19:04 PM  

aleister_greynight: Now he can just vote no on everything, and then blame someone else for shiat not passing.


Like the House.
 
2022-12-07 6:19:31 PM  

Nintenfreak: I'm a huge progressive. I'm also a realist.


It's rather suspicious how what's "realistic" and what billionaires want are exactly the same.
 
2022-12-07 6:20:32 PM  
guys, some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital is exactly the same thing as a model progressive candidate in 2022.

guys

/tulsi is the real dem!
 
2022-12-07 6:21:44 PM  

gameshowhost: /is this the part where it's somehow my responsibility to do the democratic party's legwork for it?


Look if you are not personally financing and managing the entirety of the Democratic Party, in every state and on the federal level, you have no room to complain.

Also, you need to run for every single office before you're allowed to complain about any of them.

This is not a form of gatekeeping, I swear!
 
2022-12-07 6:21:51 PM  

Nintenfreak: gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no

Well you my friend have a lot more faith in West Virginian voters than I do, that's for goddamn sure.


The Democrats had a lock on West Virginia until the second half of the 1990s. Then they somehow got the crazy idea that West Virginia had no place in the future envisioned by the Democratic Party.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/west-virginia-how-bluest-state-became-reddest-n697491

The Democratic Party doesn't control West Virginia essentially because they (you) don't give a shiat about it and don't bother making a secret of it. Frankly if it weren't for the U.S. Senate no one in this thread would care that West Virginia exists.
 
2022-12-07 6:22:56 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Nintenfreak: I'm a huge progressive. I'm also a realist.

It's rather suspicious how what's "realistic" and what billionaires want are exactly the same.


I don't want it.  I just have realistic expectations.
 
2022-12-07 6:25:58 PM  

Klyukva: Nintenfreak: gameshowhost: Nintenfreak: I'd hope he dies, but it's not like they're gonna run a less conservative person in his place.

'There's no way some other coal-goblin who votes the same way on social issues and had the same Democratic Party backing and etc etc -- but beholden to labor instead of capital -- could possibly win there.' is a fine way to just give up.

/"bUt bUt pAuLa jEaN sWeArEnGiN wAs tOtAlLy tHaT eXaCt cAnDiDaTe yOu jUsT dEsCriBeD" lol no

Well you my friend have a lot more faith in West Virginian voters than I do, that's for goddamn sure.

The Democrats had a lock on West Virginia until the second half of the 1990s. Then they somehow got the crazy idea that West Virginia had no place in the future envisioned by the Democratic Party.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/west-virginia-how-bluest-state-became-reddest-n697491

The Democratic Party doesn't control West Virginia essentially because they (you) don't give a shiat about it and don't bother making a secret of it. Frankly if it weren't for the U.S. Senate no one in this thread would care that West Virginia exists.


Obama also addressed this back in 2008. But instead of *listening* to what he said, the party leadership acted like he attacked Uncle Sam himself.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188
 
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