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2022-12-07 3:37:33 PM  
Still going to be a 'no' from me, dog.
 
2022-12-07 3:40:58 PM  
That's a good description of the first one. Objectively an average eco-message movie, but really pretty to look at. I'll probably see this one in theaters too if it gets a similar response.
 
2022-12-07 3:43:06 PM  
One could say it was...Beast Mastery
 
2022-12-07 3:44:09 PM  

baron von doodle: That's a good description of the first one. Objectively an average eco-message movie, but really pretty to look at. I'll probably see this one in theaters too if it gets a similar response.


Same. The first one was at least a great theater experience, even if only for the visual spectacle.

This will likely go up there with the first Avatar and the Disney Star Wars movies, in that I will see it in a good theater, enjoy it immensely, and never have an itch to watch it again.
 
2022-12-07 3:47:46 PM  
How is this movie not going to be a copy and paste of the first movie, except on water? I'll just wait for "Avatar on Ice".
 
2022-12-07 3:50:24 PM  

Reverend J: "Avatar on Ice".


Personally, I'm holding out for "Blues in Space."
 
2022-12-07 3:50:25 PM  
So it will look great when I watch it on my phone?
 
2022-12-07 3:57:14 PM  

baron von doodle: That's a good description of the first one. Objectively an average eco-message movie, but really pretty to look at. I'll probably see this one in theaters too if it gets a similar response.


I'd say it was a good ripoff of Ferngully.
What movie is he ripping off this time?
Oh wait, there was a Ferngully 2.
 
2022-12-07 4:10:01 PM  
Good afternoon, everyone at Frak.com.

My name is James Francis Cameron. I am an up and coming director seeking information on how to make a successful film, and heard from an associate named Kathleen Kennedy that this is where all the experts are.

Any advice that you can give me to apply to my career moving forward would be greatly appreciated. For clarity, please reference Ferngully or Dances with Wolves.

Thank you for your time,
-JFC

PS: also looking for pointers on how to design new submarines
 
2022-12-07 4:21:00 PM  
I walked out of the first one. I couldn't stand the hackneyed plot and the visuals are underwhelming AF after all that hype. I have zero desire to see this or any other retread of such a childish story. Much like Star Wars, I have simply matured past the target demographic for this crap.
 
2022-12-07 4:31:01 PM  
It looks like the screensaver of movies.  It's a farking tech demo.
 
2022-12-07 4:31:32 PM  
Technical Ecstasy is still pretty mediocre though.
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2022-12-07 4:33:27 PM  
James Cameron's Avatar series has evolved over the years: from an unprecedented box office smash to semi-forgotten cultural artifact to most anticipated follow-up of the year.

The gall of making that claim when Wakanda Forever hasn't even left theaters yet.

// also: [citation needed], and the trailer doesn't count
 
2022-12-07 4:53:07 PM  
It's so funny how emotionally invested some Farkers (and beyond) are in pre-emptively hating Avatar 2. It's been a multi-year hatefest, and the hive-mind has demanded you hate it, and you're committed now. Your ego is on the line now, and pride won't let you admit you might have been completely wrong this whole time. It's like partisanship---you've cast your lot, and you're going down with the ship regardless of what the reality is.

Meanwhile, let's see what the reactions are, from audience members who have actually seen it:


"Unexpectedly intimate emotional scope."

"[Cameron's] sweetest, gentlest, most personal film. Possibly even his most emotional. It revisits all his greatest hits, but it's always totally sincere."

"Light years better than the first & easily one of the best theatrical experiences in ages," saying he was not particularly eager for an Avatar sequel but now "can't *wait* to see Avatar 3."

"Bigger, better & more emotional than 'Avatar,' the film is visually breathtaking, visceral and incredibly engrossing."

"A staggering achievement,"

"The story, the spectacle, the spirituality, the beauty - this is moviemaking & storytelling at its absolute finest."
 
2022-12-07 4:56:25 PM  

Reverend J: How is this movie not going to be a copy and paste of the first movie, except on water? I'll just wait for "Avatar on Ice".


But this one has water!

Water!
 
2022-12-07 4:57:16 PM  
Or (and these sound about 10,000 times as likely):

However, reaction in the UK has been less uncritical. The Guardian's chief film critic Peter Bradshaw has led the charge, saying "Avatar: The Way Of Water is a silly, soggy, motion-smoothed epic of solemnity without a single interesting visual image", while the Daily Telegraph's Robbie Collin posted a cryptic "grimace" emoji.
Christina Newland, lead critic of the i newspaper, was also less than impressed, writing: "Avatar: The Way of Water is a film to be admired more than loved - some remarkable spectacle, some throwback to Titanic set pieces, some really lovely visual flourishes. But it's also interminably, ploddingly overlong, and more impressive than truly absorbing."
Empire magazine's Amon Warmann was a little more generous, but still equivocal, writing: "Liked it, didn't love it. The good news is that 3D is good again (yay!), and the action is pretty incredible (especially in the final act). But many of the storylines feel like they have to stop and start, and the high frame rate was hiat & miss for me."
 
2022-12-07 5:02:24 PM  
I don't have any interest in the Smurfs reboot where they are taller
 
2022-12-07 5:06:08 PM  

drewogatory: (and these sound about 10,000 times as likely)


Only to someone who is biased, and desires to hate a movie you haven't seen yet. As evidenced from your prior comments.

I make no claim as to whether I will like it or dislike it. But I will watch it, and judge it fairly on its own merits afterward.
 
2022-12-07 5:09:39 PM  

Corn_Fed: drewogatory: (and these sound about 10,000 times as likely)

Only to someone who is biased, and desires to hate a movie you haven't seen yet. As evidenced from your prior comments.

I make no claim as to whether I will like it or dislike it. But I will watch it, and judge it fairly on its own merits afterward.


Settle down, James. Go play in your submarine and take a breather. Not everyone has to lick the bowl to know a pile of shiat is a pile of shiat.
 
2022-12-07 5:13:49 PM  
"One of the film's biggest cheerleaders is Pinocchio filmmaker Guillermo Del Toro, who ..."

Oh, wait, so his buddy and industry crony says so?
Then let me buy TWO TICKETS!!!!

/won't be purchasing any tickets
 
2022-12-07 5:19:18 PM  

Subtonic: Corn_Fed: drewogatory: (and these sound about 10,000 times as likely)

Only to someone who is biased, and desires to hate a movie you haven't seen yet. As evidenced from your prior comments.

I make no claim as to whether I will like it or dislike it. But I will watch it, and judge it fairly on its own merits afterward.

Settle down, James. Go play in your submarine and take a breather. Not everyone has to lick the bowl to know a pile of shiat is a pile of shiat.


You're right, Titanic will surely be a huge failure. Who would want to see that?!? Cameron's folly! Box office bomb!!
 
2022-12-07 5:20:01 PM  

Corn_Fed: drewogatory: (and these sound about 10,000 times as likely)

Only to someone who is biased, and desires to hate a movie you haven't seen yet. As evidenced from your prior comments.

I make no claim as to whether I will like it or dislike it. But I will watch it, and judge it fairly on its own merits afterward.


I will be shocked if this snippet right here isn't the most accurate thing written about this flick yet:

"Avatar: The Way of Water is a film to be admired more than loved - some remarkable spectacle, some throwback to Titanic set pieces, some really lovely visual flourishes. But it's also interminably, ploddingly overlong, and more impressive than truly absorbing."

Because this describes Abyss and Titanic to a T.
 
2022-12-07 5:24:03 PM  

Corn_Fed: Subtonic: Corn_Fed: drewogatory: (and these sound about 10,000 times as likely)

Only to someone who is biased, and desires to hate a movie you haven't seen yet. As evidenced from your prior comments.

I make no claim as to whether I will like it or dislike it. But I will watch it, and judge it fairly on its own merits afterward.

Settle down, James. Go play in your submarine and take a breather. Not everyone has to lick the bowl to know a pile of shiat is a pile of shiat.

You're right, Titanic will surely be a huge failure. Who would want to see that?!? Cameron's folly! Box office bomb!!


We are talking about Avatar 2: Rise of  the Aqua Smurf, James.
 
2022-12-07 5:27:20 PM  

drewogatory: I will be shocked


It's increasingly possible that a lot of the "No Cultural Impact" bros may well be shocked in the coming weeks.
 
2022-12-07 5:29:25 PM  

Subtonic: Corn_Fed: Subtonic: Corn_Fed: drewogatory: (and these sound about 10,000 times as likely)

Only to someone who is biased, and desires to hate a movie you haven't seen yet. As evidenced from your prior comments.

I make no claim as to whether I will like it or dislike it. But I will watch it, and judge it fairly on its own merits afterward.

Settle down, James. Go play in your submarine and take a breather. Not everyone has to lick the bowl to know a pile of shiat is a pile of shiat.

You're right, Titanic will surely be a huge failure. Who would want to see that?!? Cameron's folly! Box office bomb!!

We are talking about Avatar 2: Rise of  the Aqua Smurf, James.


Oh, I thought you were referring to that other Cameron movie that everyone predicted would be awful, and a huge box office dud. Or that other one. Or the other one. But you're referring to this other, other one?
 
2022-12-07 5:32:15 PM  

Corn_Fed: Subtonic: Corn_Fed: Subtonic: Corn_Fed: drewogatory: (and these sound about 10,000 times as likely)

Only to someone who is biased, and desires to hate a movie you haven't seen yet. As evidenced from your prior comments.

I make no claim as to whether I will like it or dislike it. But I will watch it, and judge it fairly on its own merits afterward.

Settle down, James. Go play in your submarine and take a breather. Not everyone has to lick the bowl to know a pile of shiat is a pile of shiat.

You're right, Titanic will surely be a huge failure. Who would want to see that?!? Cameron's folly! Box office bomb!!

We are talking about Avatar 2: Rise of  the Aqua Smurf, James.

Oh, I thought you were referring to that other Cameron movie that everyone predicted would be awful, and a huge box office dud. Or that other one. Or the other one. But you're referring to this other, other one?


We aren't saying it's going to be a box office dud. We are saying it's going to be stupid though, you're half right.
 
2022-12-07 5:33:43 PM  

drewogatory: Because this describes ... Titanic to a T.


The movie-going public of 1997 disagreed.
 
2022-12-07 5:34:44 PM  

Corn_Fed: Subtonic: Corn_Fed: Subtonic: Corn_Fed: drewogatory: (and these sound about 10,000 times as likely)

Only to someone who is biased, and desires to hate a movie you haven't seen yet. As evidenced from your prior comments.

I make no claim as to whether I will like it or dislike it. But I will watch it, and judge it fairly on its own merits afterward.

Settle down, James. Go play in your submarine and take a breather. Not everyone has to lick the bowl to know a pile of shiat is a pile of shiat.

You're right, Titanic will surely be a huge failure. Who would want to see that?!? Cameron's folly! Box office bomb!!

We are talking about Avatar 2: Rise of  the Aqua Smurf, James.

Oh, I thought you were referring to that other Cameron movie that everyone predicted would be awful, and a huge box office dud. Or that other one. Or the other one. But you're referring to this other, other one?


Well, the important thing is that you are here, protecting James Cameron's honor and financial interests.
 
2022-12-07 5:36:21 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: baron von doodle: That's a good description of the first one. Objectively an average eco-message movie, but really pretty to look at. I'll probably see this one in theaters too if it gets a similar response.

I'd say it was a good ripoff of Ferngully.
What movie is he ripping off this time?


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2022-12-07 5:37:04 PM  

drewogatory: We aren't saying it's going to be a box office dud.


Ah, the goal-posts are already shifting from the other threads. Delicious!
 
2022-12-07 5:40:06 PM  

Corn_Fed: drewogatory: We aren't saying it's going to be a box office dud.

Ah, the goal-posts are already shifting from the other threads. Delicious!


McDonald's is the most successful restaurant in history. Therefore, the best.
 
2022-12-07 5:40:26 PM  

Bslim: Corn_Fed: Subtonic: Corn_Fed: Subtonic: Corn_Fed: drewogatory: (and these sound about 10,000 times as likely)

Only to someone who is biased, and desires to hate a movie you haven't seen yet. As evidenced from your prior comments.

I make no claim as to whether I will like it or dislike it. But I will watch it, and judge it fairly on its own merits afterward.

Settle down, James. Go play in your submarine and take a breather. Not everyone has to lick the bowl to know a pile of shiat is a pile of shiat.

You're right, Titanic will surely be a huge failure. Who would want to see that?!? Cameron's folly! Box office bomb!!

We are talking about Avatar 2: Rise of  the Aqua Smurf, James.

Oh, I thought you were referring to that other Cameron movie that everyone predicted would be awful, and a huge box office dud. Or that other one. Or the other one. But you're referring to this other, other one?

Well, the important thing is that you are here, protecting James Cameron's honor and financial interests.


Oh don't be modest. It's not nearly as important as all the Farkers pronouncing doom and hatred for a movie they've never seen, despite ecstatic reaction from those who have.
 
2022-12-07 5:44:36 PM  

Subtonic: Corn_Fed: drewogatory: We aren't saying it's going to be a box office dud.

Ah, the goal-posts are already shifting from the other threads. Delicious!

McDonald's is the most successful restaurant in history. Therefore, the best.


What does that have to do with anything I've said?
 
2022-12-07 5:45:39 PM  

Corn_Fed: drewogatory: We aren't saying it's going to be a box office dud.

Ah, the goal-posts are already shifting from the other threads. Delicious!


Nah, I've always said I wouldn't be shocked if 2 made money, but I see no market for 3,4, and 5. And I'm the guy who dislikes every Cameron movie except T1 and Aliens. I just don't equate making money with quality.
 
2022-12-07 5:45:53 PM  
Needs more sandworms
 
2022-12-07 6:00:42 PM  

Dr Dreidel: James Cameron's Avatar series has evolved over the years: from an unprecedented box office smash to semi-forgotten cultural artifact to most anticipated follow-up of the year.

The gall of making that claim when Wakanda Forever hasn't even left theaters yet.

// also: [citation needed], and the trailer doesn't count


Wakanda forever is a sleeping pill.

I'm glad we have a holiday flick the fam can go see that isn't 'Generic Marvel Release #114'
 
2022-12-07 6:01:17 PM  

Corn_Fed: It's so funny how emotionally invested some Farkers (and beyond) are in pre-emptively hating Avatar 2. It's been a multi-year hatefest, and the hive-mind has demanded you hate it, and you're committed now. Your ego is on the line now, and pride won't let you admit you might have been completely wrong this whole time. It's like partisanship---you've cast your lot, and you're going down with the ship regardless of what the reality is.

Meanwhile, let's see what the reactions are, from audience members who have actually seen it:


"Unexpectedly intimate emotional scope."

"[Cameron's] sweetest, gentlest, most personal film. Possibly even his most emotional. It revisits all his greatest hits, but it's always totally sincere."

"Light years better than the first & easily one of the best theatrical experiences in ages," saying he was not particularly eager for an Avatar sequel but now "can't *wait* to see Avatar 3."

"Bigger, better & more emotional than 'Avatar,' the film is visually breathtaking, visceral and incredibly engrossing."

"A staggering achievement,"

"The story, the spectacle, the spirituality, the beauty - this is moviemaking & storytelling at its absolute finest."


But enough about Cats the musical.
 
2022-12-07 6:13:29 PM  

Corn_Fed: Subtonic: Corn_Fed: drewogatory: We aren't saying it's going to be a box office dud.

Ah, the goal-posts are already shifting from the other threads. Delicious!

McDonald's is the most successful restaurant in history. Therefore, the best.

What does that have to do with anything I've said?


James, I know you have trouble with more subtle points of a narrative, but try reading the thread again. But hey, big T2 fan here. Perfect movie for my 11 year old self, so you have that going for you. I'm sure the Snorks in Space will be a huge success.
 
2022-12-07 6:14:27 PM  
Making people wear 3-D glasses for three hours and ten minutes seems like the sort of thing Unit 731 would come up with.
 
2022-12-07 6:19:37 PM  

Corn_Fed: Subtonic: Corn_Fed: drewogatory: We aren't saying it's going to be a box office dud.

Ah, the goal-posts are already shifting from the other threads. Delicious!

McDonald's is the most successful restaurant in history. Therefore, the best.

What does that have to do with anything I've said?


Everything.
 
2022-12-07 6:25:00 PM  
So, 95 year old Sigourney Weaver is voicing the teenage protagonist and she studied for the role by auditing a hs class? Don't know about you guys, but I'm sold now!
 
2022-12-07 6:52:25 PM  

OhioUGrad: I don't have any interest in the Smurfs reboot where they are taller


Awwwww. That's just like what the South Park so said.
 
2022-12-07 6:53:23 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Making people wear 3-D glasses for three hours and ten minutes seems like the sort of thing Unit 731 would come up with.


A sentiment echoed by people who sat through how many Avengers sky beam battles how many times?
 
2022-12-07 7:01:26 PM  

stoli n coke: Olympic Trolling Judge: Making people wear 3-D glasses for three hours and ten minutes seems like the sort of thing Unit 731 would come up with.

A sentiment echoed by people who sat through how many Avengers sky beam battles how many times?


There's tremendous nostalgia for Marvel's legacy characters though. That said, I've never seen a Marvel flick in the theater and I'm not sure I've ever watched one start to finish in one sitting.
 
2022-12-07 7:23:26 PM  
I read that as 'testical' mastery and was hoping for a plethora of CGI nutsacks.
 
2022-12-07 7:36:23 PM  

drewogatory: stoli n coke: Olympic Trolling Judge: Making people wear 3-D glasses for three hours and ten minutes seems like the sort of thing Unit 731 would come up with.

A sentiment echoed by people who sat through how many Avengers sky beam battles how many times?

There's tremendous nostalgia for Marvel's legacy characters though. That said, I've never seen a Marvel flick in the theater and I'm not sure I've ever watched one start to finish in one sitting.


They can be pretty good
 
2022-12-07 7:40:22 PM  
That's the big difference between Avatar and the MCU.  Guardians of the Galaxy has blue people and a big tree , so apples to apples, Avatar is a better LOOKING movie, but Guardians of the Galaxy is way more fun to watch.  The story, the acting, the everything except the CGI is just better. Also, Lloyd Kaufman is in the prison shot. Does Avatar have Lloyd Kaufman? I think not. Advantage Marvel.
 
2022-12-07 7:41:50 PM  
The greatest 3d theater experience for me is still a toss up between the Martian and Jackass 3D. Like I said, I farking walked out of Avatar. Judge me accordingly.
 
2022-12-07 7:44:47 PM  

leeksfromchichis: drewogatory: stoli n coke: Olympic Trolling Judge: Making people wear 3-D glasses for three hours and ten minutes seems like the sort of thing Unit 731 would come up with.

A sentiment echoed by people who sat through how many Avengers sky beam battles how many times?

There's tremendous nostalgia for Marvel's legacy characters though. That said, I've never seen a Marvel flick in the theater and I'm not sure I've ever watched one start to finish in one sitting.

They can be pretty good


I enjoy them well enough in 15 or 20 minute chunks.
 
2022-12-07 7:58:56 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: baron von doodle: That's a good description of the first one. Objectively an average eco-message movie, but really pretty to look at. I'll probably see this one in theaters too if it gets a similar response.

I'd say it was a good ripoff of Ferngully.
What movie is he ripping off this time?
Oh wait, there was a Ferngully 2.


From IMDB, Fern Gully 2:
The faeries of Fern Gully must venture outside the rainforest to rescue several young animals who were captured by poachers.

The Avatar 2 summary is broad enough that it might work. I don't really care. I'm not there for the plot or character development.... Huh. A lot like porn actually.
 
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