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(ESPN)   US Soccer looking to make sure they play uninspiring football and not play their best players for next few years   (espn.com) divider line
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2022-12-07 11:51:49 AM  
How do you tell when it's uninspiring?
 
2022-12-07 12:27:38 PM  
Louis van Gaal flat outcoached him in the Dutch win.  No adjustment from the Americans.
It's time to ggo, Ggregg.
 
2022-12-07 12:28:46 PM  
They should hire Tata
 
2022-12-07 12:31:58 PM  
The sports betting sites pretty much had USA ranked about 19th in the world. Maybe they did pretty much what was expected or a little bit better.
 
2022-12-07 12:39:02 PM  
Gregg is a great coach outside the ninety minutes when the match is actually happening. He sucks ass at in game adjustments and when to use substitutes.

Also, it would have been nice if the USMNT had any idea what to do with set-pieces, especially corners during the World Cup.

As an England fan, both Harry Maguire and 
I are grateful that they didn't.
 
2022-12-07 12:42:09 PM  

starlost: The sports betting sites pretty much had USA ranked about 19th in the world. Maybe they did pretty much what was expected or a little bit better.


Right.  And that ranking was based on four years of GGG's coaching.
 
2022-12-07 1:02:56 PM  
USMNT should try to have more international experience as a team outside CONCACAF. Sparring against most of the teams in North/Central America and Caribbean is worthless.

They should try to get invited to Copa America again, and also to petition for a permanent post there if possible, along with Mexico.  CONMEBOL should like the new contenders in the mix. Also some friendlies with tier-1 European national teams would be great. They have three and a half years to do it and get in really good shape for 2026, especially considering all the new and young talent they have now, including those playing in top leagues, hopefully to get into the top 8 teams at least.
 
2022-12-07 1:10:45 PM  

Jairzinho: They should try to get invited to Copa America again, and also to petition for a permanent post there if possible


Rumor has it that both the US & Canada have been invited to the next Copa, and they're currently just settling on the money.
 
2022-12-07 1:38:47 PM  

LucklessWonder: Jairzinho: They should try to get invited to Copa America again, and also to petition for a permanent post there if possible

Rumor has it that both the US & Canada have been invited to the next Copa, and they're currently just settling on the money.


I didn't know that. I couldn't find any press article about that but wiki page for Copa suggests that they (USA/MEX/CAN) have been formally invited just yesterday. If that's the case, that's great news.

I was hoping that it was being held next year, but it appears they postponed it to 2024.
 
2022-12-07 1:39:05 PM  

LucklessWonder: Gregg is a great coach outside the ninety minutes when the match is actually happening. He sucks ass at in game adjustments and when to use substitutes.

Also, it would have been nice if the USMNT had any idea what to do with set-pieces, especially corners during the World Cup.

As an England fan, both Harry Maguire and 
I are grateful that they didn't.


The set piece approach of "Have your one true threat just fire low drives towards the pile that doesn't have any actual targets in it" was baffling, and Gregg made zero changes to it all tournament. Piss poor approach.
 
2022-12-07 1:39:46 PM  
My only complaint was his refusal to play Reyna. But getting out of the group stage was a great accomplishment considering they're one of the youngest teams in the whole thing. The future is bright for the USMNT.
 
2022-12-07 1:41:56 PM  

LucklessWonder: Gregg is a great coach outside the ninety minutes when the match is actually happening. He sucks ass at in game adjustments and when to use substitutes.

Also, it would have been nice if the USMNT had any idea what to do with set-pieces, especially corners during the World Cup.

As an England fan, both Harry Maguire and 
I are grateful that they didn't.


Pulisic is not good at it. Aaronson did it for the Union and think is doing corners at Leeds. He's pretty solid for 21 years old. As far as GREGGGG, nothing changes until his brother is not a big shot at US Soccer.
 
2022-12-07 2:06:30 PM  
In the interests of world peace breaking out like Mr. Kapowski told his daughter it would, I am issuing a one time reprieve for the rude offense of using "football" in a headline about soccer in the United States on a site with a majority American audience. Let my unparalleled grace inspire you to be as good of a person as I am and to dispense with future acts of rudeness.
 
2022-12-07 4:00:02 PM  

starlost: The sports betting sites pretty much had USA ranked about 19th in the world. Maybe they did pretty much what was expected or a little bit better.


They did what was expected. But that's not the ceiling for this young team. They now need a coach who can take them to the next level. Somebody who has done it before. That's not Berhalter. I'd go all out for Deschamps after the WC is over. But they won't, because they love American coaches who play MLS players.
 
2022-12-07 4:02:50 PM  
It still amazes me that a country with the population of the US, can't find 26 players who can make it past the round of 16. Also, nobody in MLS should be on the USMNT roster. The level of competition just isn't high enough to succeed long term at the international level. It's really saying something when European stars well past their prime come here to play and are still better than 90% of MLS players.
 
2022-12-07 4:24:31 PM  

The5thElement: It still amazes me that a country with the population of the US, can't find 26 players who can make it past the round of 16. Also, nobody in MLS should be on the USMNT roster. The level of competition just isn't high enough to succeed long term at the international level. It's really saying something when European stars well past their prime come here to play and are still better than 90% of MLS players.


In previous generations, the best athletes did not choose soccer.  At all.  I remember starting to play in my mid-thirties and be faster than a lot of the college players.  Hell, our starting USMNT goalkeeper didn't even play soccer until he was a teenager.  That's slowly changing, but most of our lightning fast 5'9" guys still try to play point guard or cornerback.

And the unaffordability of soccer for most families has got to be addressed.  All the travel tournaments, clinics, etc.  It excludes a big swath of the population.
 
2022-12-07 4:58:53 PM  

FLMountainMan: The5thElement: It still amazes me that a country with the population of the US, can't find 26 players who can make it past the round of 16. Also, nobody in MLS should be on the USMNT roster. The level of competition just isn't high enough to succeed long term at the international level. It's really saying something when European stars well past their prime come here to play and are still better than 90% of MLS players.

In previous generations, the best athletes did not choose soccer.  At all.  I remember starting to play in my mid-thirties and be faster than a lot of the college players.  Hell, our starting USMNT goalkeeper didn't even play soccer until he was a teenager.  That's slowly changing, but most of our lightning fast 5'9" guys still try to play point guard or cornerback.

And the unaffordability of soccer for most families has got to be addressed.  All the travel tournaments, clinics, etc.  It excludes a big swath of the population.


The talent feeder system is going backwards.  The old hockey model is taking over all US sports.  You have to play on a club starting in the nursery of the hospital you're born in.  You have to play year round.  You have to choose one sport early.  You have to pay several thousands of dollars per year to play.  You can't play on your school team with your friends.  You can pay to get into clinics to be seen by scouts.

A lot of clubs print money and can waive fees for families that need special assistance, but the parents still need to be willing to drive their kids to training several days per week, sometimes several hundred miles per week.
 
2022-12-07 4:59:31 PM  

FLMountainMan: The5thElement: It still amazes me that a country with the population of the US, can't find 26 players who can make it past the round of 16. Also, nobody in MLS should be on the USMNT roster. The level of competition just isn't high enough to succeed long term at the international level. It's really saying something when European stars well past their prime come here to play and are still better than 90% of MLS players.

In previous generations, the best athletes did not choose soccer.  At all.  I remember starting to play in my mid-thirties and be faster than a lot of the college players.  Hell, our starting USMNT goalkeeper didn't even play soccer until he was a teenager.  That's slowly changing, but most of our lightning fast 5'9" guys still try to play point guard or cornerback.

And the unaffordability of soccer for most families has got to be addressed.  All the travel tournaments, clinics, etc.  It excludes a big swath of the population.


You make a good point. The elite level athletes are going to go where the money is, and it isn't MLS. The USMNT goalkeeper is the backup at Arsenal and hasn't played a single game yet this season. There is an 18 year old American goalkeeper who is going to report to Chelsea next month (starter for Chicago Fire), and he's not likely to see any playing time soon either. While I like that Pulisic is at a Champions League level club, he might be better off playing for a mid table team just for the playing time.
 
2022-12-07 5:50:38 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: FLMountainMan: The5thElement: It still amazes me that a country with the population of the US, can't find 26 players who can make it past the round of 16. Also, nobody in MLS should be on the USMNT roster. The level of competition just isn't high enough to succeed long term at the international level. It's really saying something when European stars well past their prime come here to play and are still better than 90% of MLS players.

In previous generations, the best athletes did not choose soccer.  At all.  I remember starting to play in my mid-thirties and be faster than a lot of the college players.  Hell, our starting USMNT goalkeeper didn't even play soccer until he was a teenager.  That's slowly changing, but most of our lightning fast 5'9" guys still try to play point guard or cornerback.

And the unaffordability of soccer for most families has got to be addressed.  All the travel tournaments, clinics, etc.  It excludes a big swath of the population.

The talent feeder system is going backwards.  The old hockey model is taking over all US sports.  You have to play on a club starting in the nursery of the hospital you're born in.  You have to play year round.  You have to choose one sport early.  You have to pay several thousands of dollars per year to play.  You can't play on your school team with your friends.  You can pay to get into clinics to be seen by scouts.

A lot of clubs print money and can waive fees for families that need special assistance, but the parents still need to be willing to drive their kids to training several days per week, sometimes several hundred miles per week.


It's a shameful for-profit industry here in Austin area.  "Tryouts" for elite / academy teams, but really most anyone who would write a $2000-3000 check would get in.  My son's team advanced through D3 to D2/S2 from winning championships, but we still got to pay the rec fee ($300 per season).  Several families struggled with that, I helped pay for several quietly on the side.  And those kids were the best on the field.  If this is the case elsewhere, there's a large % of the population who can't pay to get into the system and never get seen.

/greatly enjoyed the sweet, sweet tears of the Westlake parents when our rag tag crew showed up in rec uniforms and then destroyed their "elite" teams with their names stitched on their bags
 
2022-12-07 7:26:55 PM  

The5thElement: FLMountainMan: The5thElement: It still amazes me that a country with the population of the US, can't find 26 players who can make it past the round of 16. Also, nobody in MLS should be on the USMNT roster. The level of competition just isn't high enough to succeed long term at the international level. It's really saying something when European stars well past their prime come here to play and are still better than 90% of MLS players.

In previous generations, the best athletes did not choose soccer.  At all.  I remember starting to play in my mid-thirties and be faster than a lot of the college players.  Hell, our starting USMNT goalkeeper didn't even play soccer until he was a teenager.  That's slowly changing, but most of our lightning fast 5'9" guys still try to play point guard or cornerback.

And the unaffordability of soccer for most families has got to be addressed.  All the travel tournaments, clinics, etc.  It excludes a big swath of the population.

You make a good point. The elite level athletes are going to go where the money is, and it isn't MLS. The USMNT goalkeeper is the backup at Arsenal and hasn't played a single game yet this season. There is an 18 year old American goalkeeper who is going to report to Chelsea next month (starter for Chicago Fire), and he's not likely to see any playing time soon either. While I like that Pulisic is at a Champions League level club, he might be better off playing for a mid table team just for the playing time.


Can US players not get work permits for The Championship? It pays the same or more than MLS, it's probably the 5th or 6th best league in Europe, there's no language barrier. It would be FAR better prep than coming off the bench anywhere.
 
2022-12-07 7:33:06 PM  

LL316: My only complaint was his refusal to play Reyna. But getting out of the group stage was a great accomplishment considering they're one of the youngest teams in the whole thing. The future is bright for the USMNT.


Tying Wales and beating Iran. Can your expectations be any lower?
 
2022-12-07 7:48:19 PM  

eagles95: LucklessWonder: Gregg is a great coach outside the ninety minutes when the match is actually happening. He sucks ass at in game adjustments and when to use substitutes.

Also, it would have been nice if the USMNT had any idea what to do with set-pieces, especially corners during the World Cup.

As an England fan, both Harry Maguire and 
I are grateful that they didn't.

Pulisic is not good at it. Aaronson did it for the Union and think is doing corners at Leeds. He's pretty solid for 21 years old. As far as GREGGGG, nothing changes until his brother is not a big shot at US Soccer.


Pulisic's set piece delivery wasn't necessarily the biggest problem. How you play a 5'9" MLS forward against van Dijk and continuously pump crosses in his beyond comprehension. They tried the same with Stones and Maguire, albeit with a taller center forward.

That makes no sense, you're not winning those balls in the air.
 
2022-12-07 8:05:05 PM  
As an Iowa Hawkeye fan I am used to watching a team with a good defense and a terrible offense.
 
2022-12-08 1:20:07 AM  

Jairzinho: USMNT should try to have more international experience as a team outside CONCACAF. Sparring against most of the teams in North/Central America and Caribbean is worthless.

They should try to get invited to Copa America again, and also to petition for a permanent post there if possible, along with Mexico.  CONMEBOL should like the new contenders in the mix. Also some friendlies with tier-1 European national teams would be great. They have three and a half years to do it and get in really good shape for 2026, especially considering all the new and young talent they have now, including those playing in top leagues, hopefully to get into the top 8 teams at least.


This isn't Pokémon, you can't just point at a team, yell I CHOOSE YOU, and have a game scheduled
 
2022-12-08 8:39:20 AM  

Barnhawk72: Nana's Vibrator: FLMountainMan: The5thElement: It still amazes me that a country with the population of the US, can't find 26 players who can make it past the round of 16. Also, nobody in MLS should be on the USMNT roster. The level of competition just isn't high enough to succeed long term at the international level. It's really saying something when European stars well past their prime come here to play and are still better than 90% of MLS players.

In previous generations, the best athletes did not choose soccer.  At all.  I remember starting to play in my mid-thirties and be faster than a lot of the college players.  Hell, our starting USMNT goalkeeper didn't even play soccer until he was a teenager.  That's slowly changing, but most of our lightning fast 5'9" guys still try to play point guard or cornerback.

And the unaffordability of soccer for most families has got to be addressed.  All the travel tournaments, clinics, etc.  It excludes a big swath of the population.

The talent feeder system is going backwards.  The old hockey model is taking over all US sports.  You have to play on a club starting in the nursery of the hospital you're born in.  You have to play year round.  You have to choose one sport early.  You have to pay several thousands of dollars per year to play.  You can't play on your school team with your friends.  You can pay to get into clinics to be seen by scouts.

A lot of clubs print money and can waive fees for families that need special assistance, but the parents still need to be willing to drive their kids to training several days per week, sometimes several hundred miles per week.

It's a shameful for-profit industry here in Austin area.  "Tryouts" for elite / academy teams, but really most anyone who would write a $2000-3000 check would get in.  My son's team advanced through D3 to D2/S2 from winning championships, but we still got to pay the rec fee ($300 per season).  Several families struggled with that, I helped pay for several quietly on the side.  And those kids were the best on the field.  If this is the case elsewhere, there's a large % of the population who can't pay to get into the system and never get seen.

/greatly enjoyed the sweet, sweet tears of the Westlake parents when our rag tag crew showed up in rec uniforms and then destroyed their "elite" teams with their names stitched on their bags


^^^ THIS ^^^

I don't remember specifically the time or wording, or where I saw it - but I think it was when Wayne Rooney had come to DC United for his MLS retirement tour. He and his entourage were being driven around and saw a bunch of young kids playing pick up basketball in a tough neighborhood. They immediately asked why these kids weren't being funneled in to the youth academy.
 
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