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2022-12-06 11:11:10 PM  
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2022-12-06 11:42:50 PM  
 
2022-12-06 11:48:35 PM  
Last 747, or the last to be built in Everett?
 
2022-12-07 1:16:06 AM  

Bootleg: Last 747, or the last to be built in Everett?


Last ever.

Pink Floyd - Learning To Fly (Official Music Video HD)
Youtube nVhNCTH8pDs
 
2022-12-07 1:37:58 AM  
At one point in time that building housed a tank of acid large enough to dip an entire jumbo jet airframe in it. I have no idea if that step is still required for the planes they build these days.
 
2022-12-07 2:06:06 AM  

dhcmrlchtdj: Bootleg: Last 747, or the last to be built in Everett?

Last ever.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/nVhNCTH8pDs]


Ah. Well, that sucks.
 
2022-12-07 2:13:47 AM  
Cell phones, the internet, gene therapy, missions to Mars, etc. A lot of the things we don't even think about were barely science fiction and fantasy when the engineers with slide rules, t-squares, and protractors built the 747. Salute, B1RD!
 
2022-12-07 2:17:00 AM  
As much as I hated picking up things in Ontario, I loved the chance of seeing one take off or land, as they were used for freight out of that hub for the big 2 .
I'd still love to be able to buy one. Alas , I'm not a super villain. Or wealthy
 
2022-12-07 2:27:46 AM  
Paging Pan Am, Pan Am to the 747 thread.

*shug* Seems fitting... ☺
 
2022-12-07 3:55:55 AM  
So what will eventually replace Air Force One when the current one retires? I'm guessing it will still be a Boeing.
 
2022-12-07 4:51:03 AM  

Bootleg: dhcmrlchtdj: Bootleg: Last 747, or the last to be built in Everett?

Last ever.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/nVhNCTH8pDs]

Ah. Well, that sucks.


Why? They're not exactly new tech, Shirley?
 
2022-12-07 5:06:42 AM  
I thought this happened at least 25 years ago.
 
2022-12-07 5:14:26 AM  
^^ this. I thought they were removed from service for most intensive porpoises because they're so inefficient compared to newer airframes. But maybe they're still ok for service in certain countries. I think the USG uses 747s for contract flights (I've been on some rickety old planes flying around on Uncle Sam's directives), but i doubt they would buy new ones, preferring discount used planes to try to save a buck.
 
2022-12-07 5:14:49 AM  

Redh8t: Paging Pan Am, Pan Am to the 747 thread.

*shug* Seems fitting... ☺


That was a really funny account , and I hope to see it again.
 
2022-12-07 5:46:43 AM  
Back in the day British Airways used to fly Seattle to London twice a day with 747s.  They are great big comfortable aircraft, and those flights were frequently half full.   747s are also gas sucking pigs, so when the Bush gas crunch hit, BA dropped it to one flight a day and switched to a svelte 777, which was always packed.  I think that route is on A330s now, which in my mind are the most comfortable aircraft flying.

Anyway, farewell, big assed Cadillac airplane.  You were great while you lasted.
 
2022-12-07 6:04:15 AM  

fragMasterFlash: At one point in time that building housed a tank of acid large enough to dip an entire jumbo jet airframe in it. I have no idea if that step is still required for the planes they build these days.


They dangle their programmers above the tank for motivation now.
 
2022-12-07 6:17:26 AM  
Wow, the 747 was in production a year or so longer than I've been alive. Crazy.
 
2022-12-07 6:20:24 AM  
"Boeing is being with a zero." - my brother, quoting graffiti at Boeing, circa 1988.
 
2022-12-07 6:21:36 AM  

Rent Party: BA dropped it to one flight a day and switched to a svelte 777, which was always packed.  I think that route is on A330s now, which in my mind are the most comfortable aircraft flying.

Anyway, farewell, big assed Cadillac airplane.  You were great while you lasted.


Been on 777 and A330s for transatlantic flights. The 330 was soooo much better in my opinion. I had more room and it didn't feel "cheap" inside. It was a KLM 777 and AA 330.

Have also been on a few 747s and yes, it is a goddamn Cadillac inside for a 6'2" person like me
 
2022-12-07 6:24:50 AM  
What's the difference between your mom and a 747?

Not everyone has been on a 747.
 
2022-12-07 6:27:41 AM  
I've been on two 747s. One for a long haul from JFK to Frankfurt on my way to India. That was business class and quite posh. The second time was a 1 hour flight from HK to Cebu on Cathay Pacific. I sat in genpop and it was farking packed! Asia man. Asia.
 
2022-12-07 6:27:57 AM  

kozlo: Rent Party: BA dropped it to one flight a day and switched to a svelte 777, which was always packed.  I think that route is on A330s now, which in my mind are the most comfortable aircraft flying.

Anyway, farewell, big assed Cadillac airplane.  You were great while you lasted.

Been on 777 and A330s for transatlantic flights. The 330 was soooo much better in my opinion. I had more room and it didn't feel "cheap" inside. It was a KLM 777 and AA 330.

Have also been on a few 747s and yes, it is a goddamn Cadillac inside for a 6'2" person like me


Yup.  I fly Aer Lingus now.  Direct to Dublin on A330s.   Added bonus, no transfers at Heathrow.

/ You fly *to* Heathrow
// Do not fly *through* Heathrow
///  Unless you have all damn day
 
2022-12-07 7:27:24 AM  

fragMasterFlash: At one point in time that building housed a tank of acid large enough to dip an entire jumbo jet airframe in it. I have no idea if that step is still required for the planes they build these days.


A tank of acid large enough to dip a 747 in can only have existed as cover for some supervillain plan.

/perhaps involving toons
 
2022-12-07 7:28:02 AM  
Never been on a 747
Waaay back in the early 80's and went from DFW to Hawaii it was in a DC10
 
2022-12-07 7:28:41 AM  
Last 747, or the last to be built in Everett?

The 747s have only been built in Everett, including the two Shuttle Carrier Aircraft built to transport the Space Shuttle, Air Force One (2 of them), and the four Dreamlifter transports:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747

The Everett plant was built with three production lines in the late 1960s, specifically to produce 747s.  There are more than 1 million rivets in the plane -- a reflection of how aircraft were built before we began using composite materials.  As a result, the Everett factory used to be noisy -- and warm too because of the mechanical friction in riveting.  More recently, it's pretty quiet, and production is now done on six lines in Everett.

I remember seeing one of the first 747s flying into the Indianapolis Airport when I was driving on I-465 in 1971.  I was astounded that anything that big could stay aloft.

If you're really interested in the history of the 747, a great read is "747" by Joe Sutter, the lead design engineer on the plane who's generally considered "the father of the 747."  He tells the story of how they convinced skeptical Pan Am management of the viability of the wide-body design by building a plywood mockup in Seattle.  A few years ago I worked with a guy at T-Mobile Park whose dad was a carpenter on that project.

It wasn't until years after the 747 was in production that Sutter learned that Boeing management had another team of engineers working on alternate landing gear designs as a contingency if Sutter's team couldn't solve it.

/CSB
 
2022-12-07 7:29:02 AM  

kozlo: Rent Party: BA dropped it to one flight a day and switched to a svelte 777, which was always packed.  I think that route is on A330s now, which in my mind are the most comfortable aircraft flying.

Anyway, farewell, big assed Cadillac airplane.  You were great while you lasted.

Been on 777 and A330s for transatlantic flights. The 330 was soooo much better in my opinion. I had more room and it didn't feel "cheap" inside. It was a KLM 777 and AA 330.

Have also been on a few 747s and yes, it is a goddamn Cadillac inside for a 6'2" person like me


Internal fit and finish is nothing to do with the plane itself and entirely about airline and how much you spend on your ticket
 
2022-12-07 7:30:02 AM  
747 748 whatever it takes.
 
2022-12-07 7:43:32 AM  
And it DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP in that,
Funky sh*t goin' down in the city.
 
2022-12-07 7:47:52 AM  

baka-san: Never been on a 747
Waaay back in the early 80's and went from DFW to Hawaii it was in a DC10


That explains why DC10s always had a channel of "Hawaiian Melodies" you could listen to on those hollow tube earphones.

<csb>
When I was nine, I flew to the UK with my folks, and was very excited that the plane was a 747. I fell asleep after dinner when they started showing Rocky.

/I've fallen asleep every other time I've tried to watch it as well.
</csb>
 
2022-12-07 8:56:20 AM  
I've watched the 747 go from the biggest thing in the air to a lawn ornament.

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Actually a part of a water park, although it was a lawn ornament while the building was being constructed.
 
2022-12-07 9:04:23 AM  

natazha: I've watched the 747 go from the biggest thing in the air to a lawn ornament.

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Actually a part of a water park, although it was a lawn ornament while the building was being constructed.


Is that the one in Oregon?   There is another display 747s at a hotel just outside Schiphol in Amsterdam.

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2022-12-07 9:35:33 AM  

dericwater: So what will eventually replace Air Force One when the current one retires? I'm guessing it will still be a Boeing.


The replacements are being finished up right now. They are 747-8s. After that, who knows. Its 30+ years away.
 
2022-12-07 10:00:04 AM  
My dad worked on the first one to be rolled out.
 
2022-12-07 10:13:26 AM  
Truly an end of an Aviation Era.

I've flown on the queen a handful of times on transatlantic routes. TWA at least once that I have breof memories of when I was like 5. Athens to somewhere stateside. Lufthansa a few times out of FRA. And a couple few times on MAC Air out of Rhein-Main when the family was stationed in Germany.
 
2022-12-07 10:17:59 AM  

dericwater: So what will eventually replace Air Force One when the current one retires? I'm guessing it will still be a Boeing.


Two 747-8 are being refitted to be AF1
 
2022-12-07 10:28:22 AM  

Redh8t: Paging Pan Am, Pan Am to the 747 thread.

*shug* Seems fitting... ☺


Probably an Airbus person.
 
2022-12-07 10:31:26 AM  
I only flew in them during one trip when I was a kid in 1977. I had an uncle who lived in Hawaii and another in LA, so we flew from Chicago to LA for a visit, then LA to Hawaii. I think the flight back was direct from Hawaii to Chicago. I was a kid with ADHD and drove the stewardesses nuts going up and down the stairs to the upper deck. We were NOT 1st class passengers. LOL.

I was also able to stand at the cockpit door and talk to the pilots like it was no big deal.
 
2022-12-07 10:37:38 AM  

mrmopar5287: dericwater: So what will eventually replace Air Force One when the current one retires? I'm guessing it will still be a Boeing.

Two 747-8 are being refitted to be AF1


Yup. Those will likely outlive me.
 
2022-12-07 10:38:01 AM  
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2022-12-07 10:49:21 AM  

sensitive yet dangerous: I thought they were removed from service


The -100 and -200 and -300 models are all mostly out of service. I think less than a dozen -200 and -300 remain as cargo airliners.

The -400 and -8 are still in service in a lot of places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_747_operators

The recent -8 version was put into development for a couple reasons. At the time both Boeing and Airbus were looking at large twin-aisle double-decker airliners (Boeing was thinking about stretching the upper deck on their 747, Airbus was looking at the A-380). Even McDonnell-Douglas did conceptual drawings of their MD-12 and "offered" it for sale despite the precarious financial condition of the company - potential buyers saw a plane that would never be build by MD and no one signed any paper so MD was merged into Boeing.

Airbus went ahead with the A-380 despite there being warnings that the market wouldn't support the aircraft and especially if there were a competitor. Back in the 60s and 70s it was the DC-10 and L-1011 as competing wide-body tri-jets, and neither Douglas nor Lockheed sold enough of them to be successful. They canceled each other out.

Boeing saw the opportunity to take the 747 and add some technology from the 787 to make it more efficient, a slight stretch to make it longer, and it was a relatively low-risk project since it wasn't a complete redesign. It was spending pennies on the dollar compared to what Airbus was doing and by doing this Boeing could:
1. Cut into Airbus A-380 sales,
2. Keep building cargo 747s for the growing air freight market, and;
3. Keep the 747 in production to offer a replacement for Air Force One.

The option #3 was a prestige thing for Boeing and toward the end of the building of 747-8 for freight companies they were slowing production so they could keep the assembly line open to bid on the AF1 replacement if the Air Force would hurry up and get around to it. A deal was finally arranged by Trump and Boeing to take two already-built 747-8 and convert them to AF1. The two planes were built for a Russian airline that went bankrupt and never took possession, so they were stored in Arizona for a while and are now being retrofitted to be AF1. It is some real irony that Trump negotiated a deal for AF1 that turned out to be a bargain, because Boeing signed a fixed-price contract and they will lose a horrible amount of money. Turns out Boeing would have built the AF1 planes on the assembly line and been able to have easier and cheaper integration of all the stuff required to be AF1 and it's now way more expensive to take already-built planes and retrofit them. They are also running years behind schedule because of this and because of the pandemic.

Boeing's sales of 747-8 for freight are also not so great because the retirement of all those passenger 747-400 planes means it's far cheaper to buy a used plane and convert it to a freighter.
 
2022-12-07 10:50:06 AM  

GardenWeasel: Those will likely outlive me.


I question that. I'm wondering about parts availability into the future for a plane that's discontinued before the Air Force even takes delivery of the two they purchased.
 
2022-12-07 10:53:48 AM  

mrmopar5287: GardenWeasel: Those will likely outlive me.

I question that. I'm wondering about parts availability into the future for a plane that's discontinued before the Air Force even takes delivery of the two they purchased.


If B-52s can keep flying so can 747-8 based AF1.
 
2022-12-07 10:59:42 AM  
I think I"ve flown on one once. Two aisles, 5 seats in the middle section? Was that a 747?
 
2022-12-07 11:07:04 AM  

GardenWeasel: If B-52s can keep flying so can 747-8 based AF1.


If true they would keep operating the current AF1 based on the 747-200. Age and lack of parts were stated as the reasons for it to be replaced with newer planes.
 
2022-12-07 11:11:32 AM  

ChrisDe: I think I"ve flown on one once. Two aisles, 5 seats in the middle section? Was that a 747?


That is pretty much any wide bodied aircraft.   On a good flight, the 5 seats in the middle are unoccupied and you can sleep in them.
 
2022-12-07 11:14:39 AM  

ChrisDe: I think I"ve flown on one once. Two aisles, 5 seats in the middle section? Was that a 747?


747s were typically 3-4-3 seating. L10-11s were 2-5-2, though. I always thought it would be miserable to be stuck in that middle seat during a long haul flight.
 
2022-12-07 11:22:20 AM  

ChrisDe: I think I"ve flown on one once. Two aisles, 5 seats in the middle section? Was that a 747?


Honestly that could be just about any wide body. 3-5-3 is not uncommon.
 
2022-12-07 11:29:41 AM  

dsmith42: dericwater: So what will eventually replace Air Force One when the current one retires? I'm guessing it will still be a Boeing.

The replacements are being finished up right now. They are 747-8s. After that, who knows. Its 30+ years away.


Well since the originals were 707's I would guess whatever wide body is he newest and best.
 
2022-12-07 11:35:20 AM  

Omnivorous: The 747s have only been built in Everett, including the two Shuttle Carrier Aircraft built to transport the Space Shuttle, Air Force One (2 of them), and the four Dreamlifter transports:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747


Well, the SCA weren't built, they were converted from passenger aircraft. Carrier 905 (N905NA) was a 747-123 from American Airlines (, for a very long time it kept the blue-white-red pinstripe that AA used in the previous-to-now livery, and even after it was painted over if you looked close you could see where the stripes were.

Carrier 911 (N911NA)  was a 747-100SR from Japan Airlines, and had a label to help the ground crew mount the orbiter correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft#/media/File:Shuttle_mounting_point.JPG
 
2022-12-07 11:40:24 AM  

mrmopar5287: GardenWeasel: If B-52s can keep flying so can 747-8 based AF1.

If true they would keep operating the current AF1 based on the 747-200. Age and lack of parts were stated as the reasons for it to be replaced with newer planes.


So for older military planes, B-52's are just the tip of the iceberg, they have either a couple of the aircraft companies or university engineering department researchers/slaves working on updating the design documents so parts can be either made or redesigned to extend the planes service life.

/Daughter was doing this last summer as an intern but I knew about it from other friends who work in the industry.
//Turns out to be a big pain at times given some of the original design docs are not in great shape.
///It is cheaper then getting a new plane designed and built.
 
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