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(Gizmodo)   When it comes to Facebook, maybe no news really is good news   (gizmodo.com) divider line
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2022-12-06 8:20:58 PM  
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2022-12-06 8:21:56 PM  
Allowing such a thing would create a "cartel-like entity," the company claimed.

Pass the law, any time a megalocorp squeals like this you're doing a good job.  They won't remove news and they know it.
 
2022-12-06 8:22:00 PM  
Now there'll only be FWD:FWD:FWD: Hunter Biden laptop stories?
 
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2022-12-06 8:23:23 PM  
People get their news from facebook?

I guess that explains everything
 
2022-12-06 8:23:35 PM  

6nome: Now there'll only be FWD:FWD:FWD: Hunter Biden laptop stories?


Your link isn't working and I would love to know more. Please repost.
 
2022-12-06 8:24:49 PM  
Keep the news. Make them pay for the propaganda, instead.
 
2022-12-06 8:25:18 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: 6nome: Now there'll only be FWD:FWD:FWD: Hunter Biden laptop stories?

Your link isn't working and I would love to know more. Please repost.


Hunter Biden's laptop criminal charges?
 
2022-12-06 8:26:18 PM  
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2022-12-06 8:27:02 PM  
They need a Newsify organization.

Link to the article on newsify and the artist gets a pittanc per view.
 
2022-12-06 8:27:36 PM  
But...how will Facebook maintain control without all of the rage-clicks?

/ Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this Battle Station...
 
2022-12-06 8:27:48 PM  

Snort: They need a Newsify organization.

Link to the article on newsify and the artist gets a pittanc per view.


I dropped this: e
 
2022-12-06 8:28:39 PM  
Would Google News get yanked from the US? it did from other countries when similar laws were passed.2
 
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2022-12-06 8:29:43 PM  

Theeng: Pass the law, any time a megalocorp squeals like this you're doing a good job. They won't remove news and they know it


They did in Australia until the government changed things. So yeah, they will.
 
2022-12-06 8:31:25 PM  
Facebook: Pet, food, travel and ugly baby photos only. As it should be.
 
2022-12-06 8:33:09 PM  
I just wanted to gloat about never having used Facebook. As you were,
 
2022-12-06 8:33:14 PM  
Propaganda still free though.
 
2022-12-06 8:35:41 PM  
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2022-12-06 8:35:59 PM  

iheartscotch: But...how will Facebook maintain control without all of the rage-clicks?

/ Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this Battle Station...


It only takes a few dedicated Nazis to post rage-bait stories to Facebook, and then a horde of useful idiots will re-share them ad infinitum.
 
2022-12-06 8:45:54 PM  
Facebook... how do I say this...? I don't think the threat does what you think it does.
 
2022-12-06 8:46:23 PM  
Social media, in a nutshell:
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2022-12-06 8:49:46 PM  
What the hell?  I've been using Facebook since the beginning, about every couple of days, and have never seen anything but ads and my idiot MAGA uncle posting memes.  People sometimes post links to news articles, but why should Facebook pay for what people post?
 
2022-12-06 8:49:50 PM  
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2022-12-06 8:50:35 PM  
When it comes to Facebook, maybe no news really is good news

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2022-12-06 8:50:42 PM  
FB/Meta can't sustain a profitable user base without the users posting 'news' from actual news outlets as ragebait. Because nobody just wants a nice, civil social media site to see how your friends days are going.

They should pass this.
 
2022-12-06 8:50:48 PM  
The thing is, this would remove all formal news. Yes, that gets rid of Faux, but it also removes all the legitimate news on the platforms, while leaving all of the crazy uncle stuff, and worse, all of the Russian propaganda.

So yeah, most definitely not an improvement.
 
2022-12-06 8:55:51 PM  

czei: What the hell?  I've been using Facebook since the beginning, about every couple of days, and have never seen anything but ads and my idiot MAGA uncle posting memes.  People sometimes post links to news articles, but why should Facebook pay for what people post?


I think you have to actively seek out the news feed in the Facebook website or app.  On the non-mobile version of the website, it used to be in a sidebar on the right side of the page, but it quickly became embroiled in controversy (some manufactured, some legitimate), which is probably why they moved it to a separate page in a more recent redesign.

If I remember correctly, there were also browser extensions to improve the Facebook UI, some of which probably hid the news feed altogether.
 
2022-12-06 8:57:50 PM  
Of course, this would also likely destroy Fark, would it not?
 
2022-12-06 9:09:29 PM  

kmgenesis23: Of course, this would also likely destroy Fark, would it not?


Fark's not big enough to fall under the rules as they are in the bill.  It's really just targetting the big companies like Google, Twitter, Facebook.

Of course, it's also only really helping the big players in media like Murdoch and the other conglomerates that own news media now.

In this instance, both sides really do suck.  Unfortunately, if this bill goes through, it's going to make the internet less usable and it won't do jack to help actual jounralism.
 
2022-12-06 9:14:52 PM  
Can we skip to implementation?
 
2022-12-06 9:21:48 PM  
I remember when Facebook was just college students.  It was WAY better.
 
2022-12-06 9:25:54 PM  

raulzero: Facebook: Pet, food, travel and ugly baby photos only. As it should be.


Until the bots take over.

Then it will be ugly babies traveling to pet food.
 
2022-12-06 9:27:05 PM  
So, people unions bad, corporate unions good?

/You know there's currently nothing at all preventing them from joint bargaining
//Except anti-trust laws tat this bill repeals
///This is a terrible law, so congress will instantly pass it with bipartisan support
 
2022-12-06 9:30:04 PM  
And nothing of value will be lost.
 
2022-12-06 9:52:48 PM  

kmgenesis23: FB/Meta can't sustain a profitable user base without the users posting 'news' from actual news outlets as ragebait.


As the article says, it's primarily the media themselves posting their own stories on facebook that are in issue.
 
2022-12-06 9:53:42 PM  
Just maybe no site should be the only place people go? Rage. Market Share greedy farks need to metaphorically have God give them farking cancer jfc.
 
2022-12-06 10:26:31 PM  
I don't see a problem here. People can post links to the actual news site rather than having the article.

Then, in my dream world, Facebook could disallow links to sites known for misinformation.

2 problems solved.
 
2022-12-06 10:28:53 PM  

waxbeans: Just maybe no site should be the only place people go?


Your post is kinda incoherent but this sentence is interesting.  I'm in Australia.

When Australia first threatened to bring this law in Facebook turned off all news for a few days.  The response was (to me) eye opening and sickening.  I had no idea how many people relied entirely on Facebook for their news.  I had no idea that many government departments including emergency services relied upon Facebook for dissemination of information.  All of whom SCREAMED at the removal of their primary information source.

The takeaway to me wasn't that Facebook was behaving badly it was that people were complete and utter farking idiots to use Facebook as their primary source of information.  And that those in government who had allowed themselves to become beholden to a notoriously flaky, notoriously venal, foreign, private website should have been sacked with maximum prejudice.
 
2022-12-06 10:37:17 PM  

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2022-12-06 10:48:41 PM  
When zhshiet hits the fan, I wonder which Facebook employee will sing about how they censored the republicans. It already happened on Twitter lol!
 
2022-12-06 10:52:47 PM  

princhester: waxbeans: Just maybe no site should be the only place people go?

Your post is kinda incoherent but this sentence is interesting.  I'm in Australia.

When Australia first threatened to bring this law in Facebook turned off all news for a few days.  The response was (to me) eye opening and sickening.  I had no idea how many people relied entirely on Facebook for their news.  I had no idea that many government departments including emergency services relied upon Facebook for dissemination of information.  All of whom SCREAMED at the removal of their primary information source.

The takeaway to me wasn't that Facebook was behaving badly it was that people were complete and utter farking idiots to use Facebook as their primary source of information.  And that those in government who had allowed themselves to become beholden to a notoriously flaky, notoriously venal, foreign, private website should have been sacked with maximum prejudice.


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2022-12-06 10:56:58 PM  
Brought to you by Pfizer.
 
2022-12-06 11:17:56 PM  
won't this act kill fark?
NTTAWWT
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2022-12-06 11:22:54 PM  

princhester: waxbeans: Just maybe no site should be the only place people go?

Your post is kinda incoherent but this sentence is interesting.  I'm in Australia.

When Australia first threatened to bring this law in Facebook turned off all news for a few days.  The response was (to me) eye opening and sickening.  I had no idea how many people relied entirely on Facebook for their news.  I had no idea that many government departments including emergency services relied upon Facebook for dissemination of information.  All of whom SCREAMED at the removal of their primary information source.

The takeaway to me wasn't that Facebook was behaving badly it was that people were complete and utter farking idiots to use Facebook as their primary source of information.  And that those in government who had allowed themselves to become beholden to a notoriously flaky, notoriously venal, foreign, private website should have been sacked with maximum prejudice.


That description of what happened sounds like being trapped on an escalator. Did people really lack the ability to find news in other venues when Facebook suddenly stopped supplying it?
 
2022-12-06 11:23:50 PM  

princhester: waxbeans: Just maybe no site should be the only place people go?

Your post is kinda incoherent but this sentence is interesting.  I'm in Australia.

When Australia first threatened to bring this law in Facebook turned off all news for a few days.  The response was (to me) eye opening and sickening.  I had no idea how many people relied entirely on Facebook for their news.  I had no idea that many government departments including emergency services relied upon Facebook for dissemination of information.  All of whom SCREAMED at the removal of their primary information source.

The takeaway to me wasn't that Facebook was behaving badly it was that people were complete and utter farking idiots to use Facebook as their primary source of information.  And that those in government who had allowed themselves to become beholden to a notoriously flaky, notoriously venal, foreign, private website should have been sacked with maximum prejudice.


NZ is currently following suit. The whole point of the internet is sharing links. I've got no love for Twitter, Meta, or Google. I tolerate them. But it would be a backwards step if we go back to the walled garden days of AOL, Prodigy and Compuserve.
 
2022-12-06 11:32:42 PM  
how the F can anyone consider FB a news source? maybe someone posts about a celebrity dying but the new york times they ain't. so stupid. I go to FB to play a game because game consoles are way over my head.
 
2022-12-07 12:35:40 AM  
So Fox News links still ok.
 
2022-12-07 12:46:16 AM  

jjorsett: That description of what happened sounds like being trapped on an escalator. Did people really lack the ability to find news in other venues when Facebook suddenly stopped supplying it?


I'm sure they could have, but the level of outcry was nonetheless high.

Having said that, the media outlets had a stake in whipping up anger at Facebook.  But there did seem to be real popular anger also.
 
2022-12-07 2:11:19 AM  

princhester: jjorsett: That description of what happened sounds like being trapped on an escalator. Did people really lack the ability to find news in other venues when Facebook suddenly stopped supplying it?

I'm sure they could have, but the level of outcry was nonetheless high.

Having said that, the media outlets had a stake in whipping up anger at Facebook.  But there did seem to be real popular anger also.


Copying a point over from the other thread here, but the problem wasn't just that Facebook pulled links to newspapers people (including government) were relying on, they pulled official pages from government services and charities that had nothing to do with journalism as such.  So in their magnificent competence, they got rid of...

- most, but not all news sites
- several state health departments in the middle of pandemic lockdowns
- pages for a number of charities, including women's shelters
- the leader of a major state political party's official election campaign page, but not that of the leader of the other major state political party. (The election result was a record-breaking landslide, and this is unlikely to have moved the needle, but still, holy shiat you dickwits.)

And after all that, Facebook backed down, the law passed with minimal changes, but nobody appears to be enforcing it.

We don't need Facebook to stop linking to or start paying for news. We need it to die in a farking fire.  Then try, convict, and hang by the neck until dead any survivors from its board and C-level pour encourager les autres.
 
2022-12-07 4:55:40 AM  
This bill only covers platforms with >50m monthly users.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/673/text
 
2022-12-07 11:40:27 AM  
I mean, I see why they're alarmed. Facebook now gets for free lots of shiat that they then immediately charge others for (ie, clicks and content). If they have to start paying for any of that, there goes a lot of their revenue.
 
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