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(Times of Israel)   Study: The side effects of COVID vaccines are often "psychosomatic." In other words, those who had side effects were those who were most opposed to getting vaccinated in the first place   (timesofisrael.com) divider line
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2022-12-06 5:56:49 AM  
My apartment is a senior complex and has an inordinate number of antivaxxers. One in particular is an evangelical nutbar who will tell anyone at the drop of a hat that vaccines are made of aborted babies. Yeah, she's also a Trumper and a Qidiot.

Some of these people have died from Covid, but several more still remain.
 
2022-12-06 6:52:59 AM  
16% is barely even "sometimes" let alone "often" subby... Also hard to hype yourself into a rash, or fever, or any of the many side effects...
 
2022-12-06 7:03:19 AM  
Tell that to the softball sized lump under my arm pits.

/still got vaccinated
//a couple times
///then I got VERY MILD Covid
 
2022-12-06 7:23:58 AM  
Vaxxed twice and boosted three times.  Still waiting for my side effects.
 
2022-12-06 7:29:10 AM  
I told my boss I had side effects and took a day off after most of my doses and boosters. I also poop on company time.
 
2022-12-06 7:34:11 AM  
Side effects rarely include death from Covid
 
2022-12-06 7:39:54 AM  

brax33: Also hard to hype yourself into a rash, or fever, or any of the many side effects...


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4843908/

https://www.scripps.org/news_items/6955-can-stress-cause-rashes

But of course, that's them damn doctors talking. Their knowledge is far inferior to an internet rando like yourself.

Marcus Aurelius: Vaxxed twice and boosted three times.  Still waiting for my side effects.


I had a sore arm and was a bit tired. Moderate fever on the first one, but not on any of the others. The last one I even got my flu shot the same day.
 
2022-12-06 8:24:29 AM  
This is exactly the sort of unmitigated bullshiat that gives the anti-vaxxers power.

Yes, some undoubtedly nocebo effect themselves into a reaction. Many others get them.

When you tell them to their face that they're wrong, it's not the vaccine, they then say "you farking liar, you said I wouldn't get sick and I did."

And they're now an anti-vaxxer.

Vaccines cause reactions. Many of them make you feel like you are sick for a day or two. Don't lie about it. Don't tell them "it's all in your head." Don't tell them "AKCTUALLY you're not sick..."

Tell them they may feel ill for a couple of days but then they'll be protected against a much worse course of disease. Because what they know is they got a vaccine and then they got sick. If you tell them that no, they didn't get sick? They're going to assume you're lying to them.
 
2022-12-06 8:26:45 AM  
My favourite things is when the anti-vaxxers cite VAERS as evidence. You know, the same VAERS where anyone can reporte anything without any documentation or proof. And if you're wondering if I think antivaxxers would lie and make stuff up to report, my response is "Yes, definitely, all the time".
 
2022-12-06 8:30:21 AM  
Study: The side effects of COVID vaccines are often "psychosomatic."

Were I a prodigy, I'd tell them to just breathe, lest they become an addict or worse, insane.
 
2022-12-06 8:33:10 AM  
Yeah, if you're obsessing about your symptoms, they'll seem worse. Arhat out front shoulda told ya.
 
2022-12-06 8:36:16 AM  

Dick Gozinya: Study: The side effects of COVID vaccines are often "psychosomatic."

Were I a prodigy, I'd tell them to just breathe, lest they become an addict or worse, insane.


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2022-12-06 8:37:06 AM  

brax33: 16% is barely even "sometimes" let alone "often" subby... Also hard to hype yourself into a rash, or fever, or any of the many side effects...


For context, 16% is about the same odds as playing Russian Roulette.
 
2022-12-06 8:44:41 AM  
well

Marcus Aurelius: Vaxxed twice and boosted three times.  Still waiting for my side effects.


I'm guessing I got delivery of them instead.
been as sick as a dog every time.
still beats being dead with Covid
 
2022-12-06 8:46:29 AM  
Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night after getting the vaccine. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2022-12-06 8:58:45 AM  

Harlee: vaccines are made of aborted babies


Well at they're being put to good use. Why does she advocate wasting perfectly good aborted babies?
 
2022-12-06 9:16:44 AM  
They weren't psychosomatic.  They were absolute bullshiat.  Purely made up to garner sympathy and allow them to shout "ATODASO!  A-FARKIN-TODASO!"
 
2022-12-06 9:26:49 AM  
While I wouldn't be surprised, it would have been nice to link to the actual study.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-21434-7
 
2022-12-06 9:57:34 AM  

brax33: 16% is barely even "sometimes" let alone "often" subby... Also hard to hype yourself into a rash, or fever, or any of the many side effects...


You don't know much about this subject, do you?  It's not terribly difficult at all to create rash, fever, or many of the side effects referred to here.

People stress themselves into symptoms all the time.  And funny enough, rash and fever are two of the most common medical effects generated in these situations.  Other than muscle aches, you picked the most common psychosomatic symptoms doctors see.
 
2022-12-06 10:09:11 AM  

brax33: 16% is barely even "sometimes" let alone "often" subby... Also hard to hype yourself into a rash, or fever, or any of the many side effects...


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2022-12-06 10:17:24 AM  
I am very enthusiastic about getting vaccinated, but Moderna has knocked me on my ass for a day every time.

Last time I read an article about this, I went and looked up the estimates on how many people have genuine side effects and how many are imagining them... The genuine side effects are common enough you don't have to worry about being a hypocondriac if you experience them.
 
2022-12-06 10:21:58 AM  
They have noting to say about every other vaccine (I mean there have always been people against all vaccines but these aren't those people).

I honestly don't get this because even Trump eventually not only endorsed the vaccine but pretty much said that he himself was in the lab, creating it.
 
2022-12-06 10:23:28 AM  

Unsung_Hero: I am very enthusiastic about getting vaccinated, but Moderna has knocked me on my ass for a day every time.

Last time I read an article about this, I went and looked up the estimates on how many people have genuine side effects and how many are imagining them... The genuine side effects are common enough you don't have to worry about being a hypocondriac if you experience them.


Oh it farks me up too.  About 12 hours after the shot, I start feeling quite shiatty for about a day.  Shot one, no problem.  But 2, 3, and 4 have all given me a day of feeling pretty rough.  I'll take it, since it generally means my immune system is responding.
 
2022-12-06 10:27:49 AM  
I felt super loopy and tired after every COVID shot. Still got them though because I am a farking responsible adult.
 
2022-12-06 10:35:38 AM  

Dick Gozinya: Study: The side effects of COVID vaccines are often "psychosomatic."

Were I a prodigy, I'd tell them to just breathe, lest they become an addict or worse, insane.


Careful, that kind of talk could start a fire in this thread. You're not a Fire Starter, are you?
 
2022-12-06 11:50:08 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Vaxxed twice and boosted three times.  Still waiting for my side effects.


ProVaxxer. My second shot left the area sore for the day, and my first booster came with a flu shot, so I'm not sure which was more responsible for the cold symptoms I had for a few days.
 
2022-12-06 11:59:40 AM  
I'm having a noshiatsomatic response.
 
2022-12-06 12:14:27 PM  
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2022-12-06 12:19:41 PM  
No, I WASN'T just badly hungover. It was the vaccine!
 
2022-12-06 12:25:42 PM  
If a "side-effect" is general malaise for up to 24 hours then I absolutely had a side-effect after all three of my covid shots, and I had no hesitancy about getting them. I also have the same general malaise (albeit a much lighter and for a shorter duration) after my flu shot every year. This is normal and should in no way stop anyone from getting vaccinated.
 
2022-12-06 12:29:22 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Tell them they may feel ill for a couple of days but then they'll be protected against a much worse course of disease. Because what they know is they got a vaccine and then they got sick. If you tell them that no, they didn't get sick? They're going to assume you're lying to them.


The way I explained it to a former anti vaccination looney where I work is: Imagine if I had a Louisville Slugger baseball bat and whacked you in the chest with it, breaking at least 4 ribs. That's what could happen without the vaccine.
Now put a protective breastplate on, like hockey players wear. I whack you with the bat. You still get bruised, but no broken ribs.
The vaccine does not prevent 100% of the injury but can make the difference between a cough and sniffles and sucking your last breath through a machine.

They got vaccinated, after watching to see if I turned into a lizard after I had mine.
 
2022-12-06 12:34:26 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: This is exactly the sort of unmitigated bullshiat that gives the anti-vaxxers power.

Yes, some undoubtedly nocebo effect themselves into a reaction. Many others get them.

When you tell them to their face that they're wrong, it's not the vaccine, they then say "you farking liar, you said I wouldn't get sick and I did."

And they're now an anti-vaxxer.

Vaccines cause reactions. Many of them make you feel like you are sick for a day or two. Don't lie about it. Don't tell them "it's all in your head." Don't tell them "AKCTUALLY you're not sick..."

Tell them they may feel ill for a couple of days but then they'll be protected against a much worse course of disease. Because what they know is they got a vaccine and then they got sick. If you tell them that no, they didn't get sick? They're going to assume you're lying to them.


You are probably right, people know about as much about disease as they know about trees. If it's got leaves, it's a tree.

"Put on these safety glasses, so you won't get hurt in your eyes"

"Nu Uh! One time I swung a hammer into my nuts and got hurt, glasses don't do shiat!"
 
2022-12-06 12:36:16 PM  
 
2022-12-06 12:53:26 PM  

Dick Gozinya: Study: The side effects of COVID vaccines are often "psychosomatic."

Were I a prodigy, I'd tell them to just breathe, lest they become an addict or worse, insane.


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2022-12-06 1:02:54 PM  
I slept a lot after I got my first shot but i always sleep a lot during the day
 
2022-12-06 1:40:33 PM  
Mild side effects my first couple shots.

I felt like total crap the last one. Very tired and my entire body was sore after my last one.
But I also had other vaccines at the same time.
 
2022-12-06 2:02:05 PM  

garron: It might be hard to use the "psychosomatic" spin on this:

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/vaccinated-people-now-make-majority-of-covid-deaths-in-us-report/95735904


Why bother? More than 80% of the US population has received at least one shot, so a 58% death share means that the covidiots are still dying off more quickly, even though the "vaccinated" group includes those who haven't been fully boosted.
 
2022-12-06 3:22:14 PM  
There is also a study showing that the worse your side effects are the greater your immune response was meaning you have better immunity from the vaccine.

No meta studies available, I withhold final judgement.

But I have self collected data (like in the 1000s of people) almost random (some self selected characteristics) mostly over 50 years old and all vaxed. I can say from this based on what I've heard: the people who get side effects are usually the ones who are worried about getting side effects. Whether its psychosomatic or they just know their bodies, I can't say.
 
2022-12-06 3:26:17 PM  

talkyournonsense: There is also a study showing that the worse your side effects are the greater your immune response was meaning you have better immunity from the vaccine.

No meta studies available, I withhold final judgement.

But I have self collected data (like in the 1000s of people) almost random (some self selected characteristics) mostly over 50 years old and all vaxed. I can say from this based on what I've heard: the people who get side effects are usually the ones who are worried about getting side effects. Whether its psychosomatic or they just know their bodies, I can't say.


The only side effects I had was feeling like crap for 12-18 hours -- fever and chills mostly, and my arm ached.  Other than that, nada.  I didn't go into it expecting anything either, if anything I was kind of curious if there would be any effects and what they'd be.
 
2022-12-06 9:25:05 PM  
My oldest son had just turned 17, and he decided he was old enough to get his second vaccine by himself. Before they can administer the vaccine, they need to explain the possible side effects, one of which is myocarditis. After they gave him the shot, he had to sit in the waiting room for 15 minutes before being allowed to leave. So of course he's sitting there thinking about his heart, like really paying attention to it, and starts deciding something's wrong, starts to panic, faints, and slides right out of his chair to the floor.

He was fine in the end but super embarrassed.
 
2022-12-06 9:41:11 PM  

CheatCommando: brax33: Also hard to hype yourself into a rash, or fever, or any of the many side effects...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4843908/

https://www.scripps.org/news_items/6955-can-stress-cause-rashes

But of course, that's them damn doctors talking. Their knowledge is far inferior to an internet rando like yourself.

Marcus Aurelius: Vaxxed twice and boosted three times.  Still waiting for my side effects.

I had a sore arm and was a bit tired. Moderate fever on the first one, but not on any of the others. The last one I even got my flu shot the same day.


Yeah, I'm honestly a little worried, I got the bivalent moderna and despite it being 1.5x the dose of Pfizer it was significantly milder. Minimal shoulder soreness (vs with all 3 Pfizer shots, it was quite distinctly sore that night & and the next day), and no tiredness the next day (vs having to distinctly jog around the next day to shake it off). Never any other primary immune response symptoms.

On the other hand, my disease record for the last 15 years has consisted of once getting food poisoning, and generally getting a runny-nose-only cold once per fall, including a thousand mile road trip in january 2019 in which everyone but me got it (whatever it was).

So... idk lol
 
2022-12-07 6:53:58 AM  

erik-k: CheatCommando: brax33: Also hard to hype yourself into a rash, or fever, or any of the many side effects...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4843908/

https://www.scripps.org/news_items/6955-can-stress-cause-rashes

But of course, that's them damn doctors talking. Their knowledge is far inferior to an internet rando like yourself.

Marcus Aurelius: Vaxxed twice and boosted three times.  Still waiting for my side effects.

I had a sore arm and was a bit tired. Moderate fever on the first one, but not on any of the others. The last one I even got my flu shot the same day.

Yeah, I'm honestly a little worried, I got the bivalent moderna and despite it being 1.5x the dose of Pfizer it was significantly milder. Minimal shoulder soreness (vs with all 3 Pfizer shots, it was quite distinctly sore that night & and the next day), and no tiredness the next day (vs having to distinctly jog around the next day to shake it off). Never any other primary immune response symptoms.

On the other hand, my disease record for the last 15 years has consisted of once getting food poisoning, and generally getting a runny-nose-only cold once per fall, including a thousand mile road trip in january 2019 in which everyone but me got it (whatever it was).

So... idk lol


I was straight Pfizer for all the courses and although my arm hurt like hell on the bivalent and I had fatigue, it was not nearly as bad as the others. I think part of it was that I got the flu in the other arm and it hurt a whole lot less, so I could judge the difference. However, post heart attack and diabetes diagnosis, I have practically all of the risk factors for a bad case of COVID. I am going to stay up to date and I still wear a mask in public as well.
 
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