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(The Drive)   Eastasia reassures population that they're well-defended from rocket bombs fired by Oceania   (thedrive.com) divider line
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2022-12-05 9:44:37 PM  
Its propaganda.
Ya don't hang giant radar targets on your critical sites.
Radar maybe the target identifier, but it doesn't mean it it is the sole targeting sensor.
Yes the balloons give false target readings. That's their value.  "Hey we are over here....we are that power station you are targeting"...NOT
 
2022-12-05 10:15:51 PM  
Or the missile flies to the gps coordinates of the oil refinery and blows up there
 
2022-12-06 1:30:10 AM  
I predict their half-ass countermeasures will work as well as their quarter-ass COVID vaccines.
 
2022-12-06 1:35:32 AM  
Cope balloons.
 
2022-12-06 1:41:47 AM  
None can stand against the might of our bombs

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2022-12-06 1:44:13 AM  
Especially when we bomb a car after yum cha just as everyone hops in and all the doors are closed and dad starts driving.
 
2022-12-06 1:49:40 AM  

whither_apophis: Or the missile flies to the gps coordinates of the oil refinery and blows up there


Yeah this is just cheap propaganda, also I'm like 95% sure those radar reflectors are the same ones used by the USN.

/it's used by ships while in port so they can be tracked better by radar.
 
2022-12-06 1:54:52 AM  
Let's ask the Japanese to send a "destroyer" to investigate such bold claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-class_multi-purpose_destroyer

That ain't your grandpa's Fletcher type destroyer.
 
2022-12-06 2:17:42 AM  

Theeng: whither_apophis: Or the missile flies to the gps coordinates of the oil refinery and blows up there

Yeah this is just cheap propaganda, also I'm like 95% sure those radar reflectors are the same ones used by the USN.

/it's used by ships while in port so they can be tracked better by radar.


In this case, the goal is to confuse synthetic aperture radars used by the most recent generation of US surveillance satellites. The balloons give off returns that make it difficult if not impossible for those satellites to map the terrain or get a good picture of the structures at that location. This makes targeting by cruise missiles more difficult since they don't have a reliable ground picture to follow and would have to rely on (PLAA not having bothered to shoot down) GPS.

It's sort of like the inflatable tanks the British used in WWII and the Cold War to give their enemies a false impression of where their forces were. Or the way US submarines used to drop torpedo decoys under the Arctic so the Soviets would think we had more subs in the area than we really did. If you're worried about a potential enemy making plans against you, you want his information to be as flawed as possible.
 
2022-12-06 2:25:04 AM  

akallen404: Theeng: whither_apophis: Or the missile flies to the gps coordinates of the oil refinery and blows up there

Yeah this is just cheap propaganda, also I'm like 95% sure those radar reflectors are the same ones used by the USN.

/it's used by ships while in port so they can be tracked better by radar.

In this case, the goal is to confuse synthetic aperture radars used by the most recent generation of US surveillance satellites. The balloons give off returns that make it difficult if not impossible for those satellites to map the terrain or get a good picture of the structures at that location. This makes targeting by cruise missiles more difficult since they don't have a reliable ground picture to follow and would have to rely on (PLAA not having bothered to shoot down) GPS.

It's sort of like the inflatable tanks the British used in WWII and the Cold War to give their enemies a false impression of where their forces were. Or the way US submarines used to drop torpedo decoys under the Arctic so the Soviets would think we had more subs in the area than we really did. If you're worried about a potential enemy making plans against you, you want his information to be as flawed as possible.


The problem with decoys and stuff like this is it only works if you don't know it's there.  This sort of thing is easily defeated once you know to account for it
 
2022-12-06 4:19:12 AM  
So they've re-invented Barrage Balloons?
 
2022-12-06 5:10:40 AM  
This is the same sort of non-functional crap the russians have been trying in Ukraine. The reflectors they're using might have some utility against incoming missiles with terminal active radar guidance, but are not useful against weapons with GPS or inertial guidance. They'd be even less useful against teleguided or wire guided munitions.

If they're putting these copium balloons and reflectors around the expected target, they're only making the target appear larger on radar- pretty much the opposite of the intended effect.
 
2022-12-06 5:11:55 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: So they've re-invented Barrage Balloons?


Ooh I see this man sure knows how to read an article. In fact your link could have even pointed back to the headline for maximum effect.
 
2022-12-06 8:13:41 AM  

Minor Catastrophe: Let's ask the Japanese to send a "destroyer" to investigate such bold claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-class_multi-purpose_destroyer


Even better


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2022-12-06 8:21:14 AM  

Theeng: akallen404: Theeng: whither_apophis: Or the missile flies to the gps coordinates of the oil refinery and blows up there

Yeah this is just cheap propaganda, also I'm like 95% sure those radar reflectors are the same ones used by the USN.

/it's used by ships while in port so they can be tracked better by radar.

In this case, the goal is to confuse synthetic aperture radars used by the most recent generation of US surveillance satellites. The balloons give off returns that make it difficult if not impossible for those satellites to map the terrain or get a good picture of the structures at that location. This makes targeting by cruise missiles more difficult since they don't have a reliable ground picture to follow and would have to rely on (PLAA not having bothered to shoot down) GPS.

It's sort of like the inflatable tanks the British used in WWII and the Cold War to give their enemies a false impression of where their forces were. Or the way US submarines used to drop torpedo decoys under the Arctic so the Soviets would think we had more subs in the area than we really did. If you're worried about a potential enemy making plans against you, you want his information to be as flawed as possible.

The problem with decoys and stuff like this is it only works if you don't know it's there.  This sort of thing is easily defeated once you know to account for it


Which is why they're not being used as DECOYS. They're to obfuscate remote sensing and keep satellites from accurately monitoring specific sites to determine what is or isn't there.

Think less "clever disguise" and more "blindingly bright lights so you can't clearly see what's going on"
 
2022-12-06 9:32:06 AM  

Minor Catastrophe: Let's ask the Japanese to send a "destroyer" to investigate such bold claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-class_multi-purpose_destroyer

That ain't your grandpa's Fletcher type destroyer.


huh, that's interesting; thanks!
 
2022-12-06 12:01:18 PM  
Once again, the tweeter Jesus Roman has nailed it!
 
2022-12-06 2:16:06 PM  
Better hope whoever they go to war with doesn't have BB Guns.
 
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