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(Breaking Defense)   Bell tiltrotor aircraft selected for Black Hawk replacement. Because the V-22 was such a shining success   (breakingdefense.com) divider line
    More: Facepalm, United States Army, UH-60 Black Hawk, Future Long-Range Assault Aircraft, Army today, Bell Textron's Valor tiltrotor, Rep. Rob Wittman, preliminary design of the aircraft, years of development  
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924 clicks; posted to STEM » on 05 Dec 2022 at 9:15 PM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-12-05 7:01:46 PM  
Actually the Osprey got off to a rough start as new technology does. But the MV-22B (Marines), CV-22B (Air Force), CMV-22B (Navy) and other variants are performing pretty good presently. Seen them in operation at Wake Island and locally at other bases.

I guess the Army liked the Osprey's track record versus developing their own helicopter fleet with new technologies from the competitor's aircraft.
 
2022-12-05 9:41:22 PM  
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Yeah, and those crazy automobiles, what's up with that? Unreliable and dangerous, I say.
 
2022-12-05 9:52:12 PM  
Sikorsky could pitch defiant to the Navy, maybe, but I like the valor design.  Article makes a good point about range with payload and minimizing the need for tanker refills. If anything trips up the valor it will likely be the fuel economy. Its what led to the fa 18 getting upsized to extend it's operational range.
 
2022-12-05 9:54:29 PM  
Should also point out that the award is "virtual": it's only commiting to mayyyybe buying physical prototypes down the road after more modeling on computers.
 
2022-12-05 9:58:27 PM  
The V-22 has been a big success.

Besides, you often need to land where there's no runway.
 
2022-12-05 10:12:54 PM  

AirForceVet: Actually the Osprey got off to a rough start as new technology does. But the MV-22B (Marines), CV-22B (Air Force), CMV-22B (Navy) and other variants are performing pretty good presently. Seen them in operation at Wake Island and locally at other bases.

I guess the Army liked the Osprey's track record versus developing their own helicopter fleet with new technologies from the competitor's aircraft.


I see them not crash all the time. Seem relatively air worthy.
 
2022-12-05 10:38:03 PM  
Ospreys go over my house occasionally.   I know it's them because they are about twice as loud as any conventional helicopter the military flies.

They must have some kind of non-combat role because everyone within about a 2 km radius knows when they're around.
 
2022-12-05 11:17:35 PM  
The Osprey is awesome, one of my favorite aircraft.
 
2022-12-05 11:50:54 PM  

AirForceVet: Actually the Osprey got off to a rough start as new technology does. But the MV-22B (Marines), CV-22B (Air Force), CMV-22B (Navy) and other variants are performing pretty good presently. Seen them in operation at Wake Island and locally at other bases.

I guess the Army liked the Osprey's track record versus developing their own helicopter fleet with new technologies from the competitor's aircraft.


Tiltrotors were (for the most part) a totally new type of aircraft when the Osprey first started being used widely. Most of the accidents were just due to a combination of a wholly new type of aircraft, unexpected problems and flight crews who had received training but were not expert test pilots.

Over time, training has greatly improved, a lot of those random issues have been worked out and the aircraft themselves have been improved with better avionics.

It's very likely that newer tiltrotors will be far safer and less prone to oddball accidents. They can be built from the ground up with knowledge gained. The military now has many more competent tiltrotor pilots who can provide a better environment to handle training and certification.
 
2022-12-05 11:52:03 PM  
Some more info on the aircraft:  https://www.bellflight.com/products/bell-v-280

Twice as fast, twice as far as current black hawk, while being more agile.  Nice selling points!
 
2022-12-06 12:26:52 AM  
But can it sling an Abrams onto a carrier? Because that's the kind of combined arms potential the Osprey brought to the table, if we're comparing the two.
 
2022-12-06 12:47:42 AM  

BolloxReader: But can it sling an Abrams onto a carrier? Because that's the kind of combined arms potential the Osprey brought to the table, if we're comparing the two.


The Osprey is about as likely to lift the Carrier as it is to lift the Abrams. It would take the combined might of 10 Ospreys to lift one Abrams.
 
2022-12-06 1:33:21 AM  
The old Bell factory is next to a marshy flat around a branch of the Trinity river. I realized one day it showed the level of confidence they had in their new aircraft.
 
2022-12-06 1:35:41 AM  

BolloxReader: But can it sling an Abrams onto a carrier? Because that's the kind of combined arms potential the Osprey brought to the table, if we're comparing the two.


Why would the Navy want a hunk of antique iron on a carrier? The Marines don't even use tanks because their engagement range is further than they like to operate.
 
2022-12-06 3:50:57 AM  

suckfest: Some more info on the aircraft:  https://www.bellflight.com/products/bell-v-280

Twice as fast, twice as far as current black hawk, while being more agile.  Nice selling points!


Wow, A blackosprey.

I guess the smallish wing is because the payload is VTOL limited and there just wasn't a need for more area?
 
2022-12-06 8:03:26 AM  
"There are zero aircraft being procured in the initial portion," the two-star general said. If the aircraft moves into production, though, the program could soar up to $70 billion over its lifetime.

So an actual cost of around $700 billion?
 
2022-12-06 9:17:13 AM  
I don't remember the details on it but you'll never be able to convince me that the Marine O-5 was falsifying maintenance records without approval, tacit or otherwise, of those above him. That just isn't something an O-5 wakes up one day and decides to do on their own.
 
2022-12-06 11:23:44 AM  
There's a Farker who was really really against the Osprey when it debuted, ranted loud and long what a terrible vehicle it was, etc.  And during the initial deployment, when there were accidents, the guy would point and holler.

But time has passed and the platform is mature now, and the pilots, experienced in how a tilt rotor differs from a conventional helo or fixed wing. And the Osprey now is considered a winner. So the Valor will be an offshoot of the expertise gained from Osprey.
 
2022-12-06 11:48:34 AM  

BolloxReader: But can it sling an Abrams onto a carrier?


No one ever asked for that to be a specification and no one ever wants to do that.
 
2022-12-06 1:43:07 PM  

FLMountainMan: "There are zero aircraft being procured in the initial portion," the two-star general said. If the aircraft moves into production, though, the program could soar up to $70 billion over its lifetime.

So an actual cost of around $700 billion?


Or about sixteen Twitters.
 
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