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2022-12-05 5:06:43 PM  
Original Tweet:

 
2022-12-05 5:12:54 PM  
So, a delay of the delay results in a delay.
Moving right along,,,
 
2022-12-05 5:18:54 PM  
Come on, Aileen.
 
2022-12-05 5:21:53 PM  
It's almost as if it's only been filed to delay proceedings.

Good thing that's never worked for D2S before.

Oh, wait...
 
2022-12-05 6:48:01 PM  
Three republican appeal court judges with 2 appointed by TFG all saying there is absolutely no jurisdiction and no competent and ethical Judge should even entertained the the trumpkin action but cannon is just being her trumpkin self.
 
2022-12-05 9:28:27 PM  
This is too complicated for me. TFG generally wants delays, but here DOJ wanted the delay? And TFG's judge agreed with DOJ.

Why did DOJ want this delay? And, what is being delayed?
 
2022-12-05 9:28:56 PM  
Still thinking something's gonna happen?
 
2022-12-05 9:29:42 PM  
There are hundreds of this woman laced throughout the system. They are going to be with us for a looooooong time.
 
2022-12-05 9:32:25 PM  
Subby here. You guys aren't getting it.

After the 11th Circuit ruled that Cannon had no Judicial right to do what she did, and that her reasoning was incorrect, and that TFG had no case anyway, they ordered Cannon to vacate her whole acceptance of TFG's suit. This means no more Special Master and no more restrictions on DoJ.  The order is to become effective Dec 8th. Thus, all the deadlines that various legal teams were working on are work towards things that will just go into the trash.

So Special Counsel Jack Smith sent TFG's attorneys a note asking them to join him in a motion to ask Cannon to postpone all of their deadlines by 1 week so that they could pause their work and not be wasting time. TFG's team didn't respond overnight so Jack Smith submitted this motion mentioning that they had contacted the other side.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/64911367/trump-v-united-states/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc
See docket entry 194  There is an undertone of twisting the knife and gloating but it's ruthlessly understated.

TFG's lawyers responded in docket 195, generally griping that Smith had no right to give them overnight deadlines to respond and disagreeing with his motion, seemingly out of spite because they complain about not having enough time to respond to the 11th circuit. If they were so concerned about not having enough time, you'd think they would like the postponement as they could focus on trying to file an appeal. But they were just being pugnacious.

Jack Smith came back with 196 gently pointing out that TFG's response was insipid and renewing their request to hault the deadlines. Again, this is taunting TFG because any appeal is doomed and everybody knows it. This is essentially trash talking with one side able to do it while appearing civil while really being ruthless. And it must be noted that it isn't just TFG that's being taunted but also Aileen Cannon.

In 197 she grants to pause in deadlines.

No, this doesn't help TFG in any way. It doesn't delay things for him. Any attempt by TFG to appeal will be resolved well before any of the actions from Cannon's Special Master action would have matured.

It's mean, it's nasty, it's been well done. It reminds me of a famous scene from Billy Jack.

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2022-12-05 9:33:10 PM  

schnee: This is too complicated for me. TFG generally wants delays, but here DOJ wanted the delay? And TFG's judge agreed with DOJ.

Why did DOJ want this delay? And, what is being delayed?


think DoJ is saying "this entire thing is about to get thrown out so there's no reason to have deadlines"
 
2022-12-05 9:33:33 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?


No.
 
2022-12-05 9:34:51 PM  

wademh: You guys aren't getting it.


"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
 
2022-12-05 9:35:50 PM  

schnee: This is too complicated for me. TFG generally wants delays, but here DOJ wanted the delay? And TFG's judge agreed with DOJ.

Why did DOJ want this delay? And, what is being delayed?


I'm calling for the Constitution to be delayed until we reverse the 2020 elections and put the rightful winner in the white house and finally expose Hunter Biden's laptop penis to blind nuns. Or something else that's more human. Johnny Bananas will prevail and finally take control of Mars and the red motorcycle at the golf hospital at last new years party network radio station.
 
2022-12-05 9:36:24 PM  
I see the "If I get this paperwork in front of them, they have to read it before they can make a decision" strategy wins again.
 
2022-12-05 9:37:15 PM  

qorkfiend: schnee: This is too complicated for me. TFG generally wants delays, but here DOJ wanted the delay? And TFG's judge agreed with DOJ.

Why did DOJ want this delay? And, what is being delayed?

I think DoJ is saying "this entire thing is about to get thrown out so there's no reason to have deadlines"


Where we're going, we don't need deadlines.
 
2022-12-05 9:38:27 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?


You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.
 
2022-12-05 9:39:52 PM  

schnee: This is too complicated for me. TFG generally wants delays, but here DOJ wanted the delay? And TFG's judge agreed with DOJ.

Why did DOJ want this delay? And, what is being delayed?


IANAL but the way I understand is that the DOJ has requested that the Special Master just stop doing stuff for now.  That was allowed.  The DOJ has asked for an extension of that pause in light of their win that the special Master just stop and go away and never come back.

Trump opposed that for some non-sensical reason.  Even though he hasn't appealed the full toss of the Special Master.

Cannon said GTFO with that.  She's seeing the writing on the wall that A) Trump will not appeal the full toss of the Special Master, so then it's all over.  Or B) He will appeal to the Supreme Court who will eventually toss it.

Either way, the Special Master ain't gonna be doing squat.  This is all just puffery now, he's dangling on a hook and the slow stink of the rot is ambrosia.  Eeyores can do what they wish, I love them for what they bring to the world, there are no rainbows without rain.
 
2022-12-05 9:40:27 PM  

wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.


Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?
 
2022-12-05 9:40:45 PM  
FFS.
Our justice system moves slower than a glacier for everyone but the poors.
 
2022-12-05 9:41:44 PM  
Beginning of the end of what? If the past 6 years of investigations and proceedings are any guide, this end is like the limit in some hellish calculus function, infinitely approached but never reached. It's the ultimate edging. Is that what you mean by "toying with TFG's team"?
 
2022-12-05 9:41:49 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?


Move those goalposts
 
2022-12-05 9:42:02 PM  

wademh: Subby here. You guys aren't getting it.


<<Wall of awesome>>

^^ WTF This Farker said!
 
2022-12-05 9:43:30 PM  
COME ON, Aileen!
 
2022-12-05 9:44:00 PM  

DocUi: schnee: This is too complicated for me. TFG generally wants delays, but here DOJ wanted the delay? And TFG's judge agreed with DOJ.

Why did DOJ want this delay? And, what is being delayed?

IANAL but the way I understand is that the DOJ has requested that the Special Master just stop doing stuff for now.  That was allowed.  The DOJ has asked for an extension of that pause in light of their win that the special Master just stop and go away and never come back.

Trump opposed that for some non-sensical reason.  Even though he hasn't appealed the full toss of the Special Master.

Cannon said GTFO with that.  She's seeing the writing on the wall that A) Trump will not appeal the full toss of the Special Master, so then it's all over.  Or B) He will appeal to the Supreme Court who will eventually toss it.

Either way, the Special Master ain't gonna be doing squat.  This is all just puffery now, he's dangling on a hook and the slow stink of the rot is ambrosia.  Eeyores can do what they wish, I love them for what they bring to the world, there are no rainbows without rain.


You pretty much got it.

A funny part is that TFG is paying for the Special Master. Granting the pause means TFG pays less.
But but but ... that would be like admitting he lost the election. So he's stuck between admitting defeat and not having to spend more money (the RNC refused to pay for this case) or admitting defeat.
Money or ego, money or ego.
[ TFG angry --- shaking --- head exploding gif ]
 
2022-12-05 9:48:18 PM  

Truthman: FFS.
Our justice system moves slower than a glacier for everyone but the poors.


Yes.  And also, you kind of want the precedent for indicting, prosecuting, trying, to be so far above reproach that it should be the standard to which we hold death penalty convictions.  (Thereby reducing the number of those on death row by.... ? percent.  Not enough to vacate a guilty verdict per se., but how many innocents would get off the row if you used that metric).

That said, objective reality is that Trump is not the same as any other regular citizen.  When going down this path, I want it so hard to be able to turn it around do the same to Biden or <insert Dem Pres here>.

That said, I'm not even US American so my skin in the game is watching the strength of the bars on the cage of the Prime Silverback with a sore tooth.
 
2022-12-05 9:49:13 PM  

iheartscotch: COME ON, Aileen!


It took a while, I knew it was coming, *cough*, still made me snort like a 12 year old.
 
2022-12-05 9:50:53 PM  

Jake Havechek: Come on, Aileen.


And now I'm not allowed back in that bar.
 
2022-12-05 9:53:31 PM  

schnee: This is too complicated for me. TFG generally wants delays, but here DOJ wanted the delay? And TFG's judge agreed with DOJ.

Why did DOJ want this delay? And, what is being delayed?


we need to let the voters decide in 2024
 
2022-12-05 9:53:44 PM  

DocUi: iheartscotch: COME ON, Aileen!

It took a while, I knew it was coming, *cough*, still made me snort like a 12 year old.


Last time that I did it...I forgot the comma and the statement was significantly changed....
 
2022-12-05 9:53:51 PM  

qorkfiend: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Move those goalposts


I don't agree with how Garland has proceeded, but the clown caucus is going to sound extra goofy trying to argue he has been conducting a partisan "witch hunt". Serious people understand that he has been scrupulous in following the law and procedure. I'm with you; I haven't agreed. But if he were just covering for Trump, he would have done a few things differently in that last several months. This is one of them.
 
2022-12-05 9:56:14 PM  
I can't wait for the funeral procedures.  Trump's lawyers will argue that we delay the lying-in-state until the appeals go all of the way PAST the Supreme Court.
 
2022-12-05 9:56:45 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?


Two years ago they didn't have an iron clad case about obstruction of justice involving the mishandling of classified documents. You have to understand this current case.

Presidential records were subpoenaed. TFG fought the subpoena claiming Executive Priviledge. It worked its way through the courts all the way to SCOTUS with TFG losing at every level while establishing his claims of EP would not fly. This resulted in a highlighting of the fact that he illegally took records to MAL. That's weak sauce to actually indict an ex-president.

But then he had to turn over some of those records. And his team was so inept that they turned over things that revealed they had taken classified and top secret documents. This spawned a new case. The DoJ pursued it carefully, giving him multiple chances to correct things, also known as giving him enough rope to hang himself. He took advantage of the opportunity. He essentially kept stonewalling them but they kept after him, giving him multiple chances but not letting go.

Ultimately, under court orders, he turned over more secret documents. And they came back again and said we think you have more, give them to us NOW. He responded with a claim that nope, he turned it all over, no more secret documents, signed and promised. Whoops. Now he's also guilty of obstruction of justice, clearly, after a track record of being given 4 chances to get it right. There goes any remotely plausible entrapment claims.

So we get the search warrant and the seizure, followed by a slew of public statements that have essentially been confessions.

The case against him just kept growing more and more solid. All of his excuses go away as he destroys them himself by his ego driven denials. The wall just kept closing in. And as he's grown more desperate, he continues to sabotage his own defense.

Sure we're impatient, but it's be a masterful build up of things driven by TFG's actions. His very best defense, that it is a political prosecution is destroyed because he was given so many chances to fix things by just not lying anymore. But he is who he is. And now he's toast.
 
2022-12-05 9:56:49 PM  
Does Cannon know she will be eventually charged with obstruction?
 
2022-12-05 9:57:26 PM  

schnee: This is too complicated for me. TFG generally wants delays, but here DOJ wanted the delay? And TFG's judge agreed with DOJ.

Why did DOJ want this delay? And, what is being delayed?


Basically the DOJ asked for her to push deadlines out past when the case is expected to be thrown out.

That way Trump's team can't make any claims or requests that will tie up resources or ask to see any more documents as it's on pause until the case is thrown out.

Basically it's just putting a pause on the whole process and the process is likely to end before that pause stops
 
2022-12-05 10:08:21 PM  

qorkfiend: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Move those goalposts


What goalposts? How long should this take and how many times should Trump be allowed to delay it?
 
2022-12-05 10:09:32 PM  

wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Two years ago they didn't have an iron clad case about obstruction of justice involving the mishandling of classified documents. You have to understand this current case.

Presidential records were subpoenaed. TFG fought the subpoena claiming Executive Priviledge. It worked its way through the courts all the way to SCOTUS with TFG losing at every level while establishing his claims of EP would not fly. This resulted in a highlighting of the fact that he illegally took records to MAL. That's weak sauce to actually indict an ex-president.

But then he had to turn over some of those records. And his team was so inept that they turned over things that revealed they had taken classified and top secret documents. This spawned a new case. The DoJ pursued it carefully, giving him multiple chances to correct things, also known as giving him enough rope to hang himself. He took advantage of the opportunity. He essentially kept stonewalling them but they kept after him, giving him multiple chances but not letting go.

Ultimately, under court orders, he turned over more secret documents. And they came back again and said we think you have more, give them to us NOW. He responded with a claim that nope, he turned it all over, no more secret documents, signed and promised. Whoops. Now he's also guilty of obstruction of justice, clearly, after a track record of being given 4 chances to get it right. There goes any remotely plausible entrapment claims.

So we get the search warrant and the seizure, followed by a slew of public statements that have essentially been confessions.

The case against him ...


Okay, now what about all of the crimes he did in office and the entire trying to overturn the government thing?
 
2022-12-05 10:10:11 PM  

snowblur: It's almost as if it's only been filed to delay proceedings.

Good thing that's never worked for D2S before.

Oh, wait...


It isn't remotely like that. The whole Special Master bit goes away on Dec 8th. Shifting back a deadline of Dec 15th for the lawyers to file something to Dec 22 won't matter because as of Dec 9th it all goes away. Even if TFG files an appeal, it will almost certainly be denied as quickly as his earlier appeal of the 11th circuits ruling against him on classified documents was denied. So there's no actual delay happening.

Repeating my message here another way. Imagine two teams are playing a football game, or basketball game or such. One ramps up the score to a ridiculous total, say 42 to 3. The winning team offers a mercy rule to losing team to just end the game there, there being no point to just continuing the beat down. The losing team wants that but they can't manage to admit that they are losing. They still want to complain about how it is all unfair but they are being publicly humiliated and they know it.

And the team offering them the mercy rule also knows that they won't accept it, and the fact of offering them mercy makes them even angrier. It's a think of wonderment. It's schadenfreude on steroids. And you're missing its glory.
 
2022-12-05 10:13:43 PM  

wademh: Subby here. You guys aren't getting it.


We can use multiple slurp juices on a single ape?
 
2022-12-05 10:15:42 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Two years ago they didn't have an iron clad case about obstruction of justice involving the mishandling of classified documents. You have to understand this current case.

Presidential records were subpoenaed. TFG fought the subpoena claiming Executive Priviledge. It worked its way through the courts all the way to SCOTUS with TFG losing at every level while establishing his claims of EP would not fly. This resulted in a highlighting of the fact that he illegally took records to MAL. That's weak sauce to actually indict an ex-president.

But then he had to turn over some of those records. And his team was so inept that they turned over things that revealed they had taken classified and top secret documents. This spawned a new case. The DoJ pursued it carefully, giving him multiple chances to correct things, also known as giving him enough rope to hang himself. He took advantage of the opportunity. He essentially kept stonewalling them but they kept after him, giving him multiple chances but not letting go.

Ultimately, under court orders, he turned over more secret documents. And they came back again and said we think you have more, give them to us NOW. He responded with a claim that nope, he turned it all over, no more secret documents, signed and promised. Whoops. Now he's also guilty of obstruction of justice, clearly, after a track record of being given 4 chances to get it right. There goes any remotely plausible entrapment claims.

So we get the search warrant and the seizure, followed by a slew of public statements that have essentially been confessions.

The case against him ...

Okay, now what about all of the crimes he did in office and the entire trying to overturn the government thing?


That doesn't count. Bringing up the stuff he absolutely, 100% is gonna walk from is a goal post shift of the highest order. Only counting crimes he had yet to commit, out of office, as part of the criminal actions he was going to escape any accountability of while he was in office as part of the actual ANGH from the years of 16 to 20....

Oh God. My head hurts trying to doublespeak as hard as some of the ANGH deniers. I need a beer....
 
2022-12-05 10:17:04 PM  

wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Two years ago they didn't have an iron clad case about obstruction of justice involving the mishandling of classified documents. You have to understand this current case.

Presidential records were subpoenaed. TFG fought the subpoena claiming Executive Priviledge. It worked its way through the courts all the way to SCOTUS with TFG losing at every level while establishing his claims of EP would not fly. This resulted in a highlighting of the fact that he illegally took records to MAL. That's weak sauce to actually indict an ex-president.

But then he had to turn over some of those records. And his team was so inept that they turned over things that revealed they had taken classified and top secret documents. This spawned a new case. The DoJ pursued it carefully, giving him multiple chances to correct things, also known as giving him enough rope to hang himself. He took advantage of the opportunity. He essentially kept stonewalling them but they kept after him, giving him multiple chances but not letting go.

Ultimately, under court orders, he turned over more secret documents. And they came back again and said we think you have more, give them to us NOW. He responded with a claim that nope, he turned it all over, no more secret documents, signed and promised. Whoops. Now he's also guilty of obstruction of justice, clearly, after a track record of being given 4 chances to get it right. There goes any remotely plausible entrapment claims.

So we get the search warrant and the seizure, followed by a slew of public statements that have essentially been confessions.

The case against him ...


Can't he just pardon himself when he's reinstated or voted back in?
 
2022-12-05 10:20:13 PM  
Does Trump still have to pay the Special Master for his now-moot work?

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2022-12-05 10:21:29 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Two years ago they didn't have an iron clad case about obstruction of justice involving the mishandling of classified documents. You have to understand this current case.

Presidential records were subpoenaed. TFG fought the subpoena claiming Executive Priviledge. It worked its way through the courts all the way to SCOTUS with TFG losing at every level while establishing his claims of EP would not fly. This resulted in a highlighting of the fact that he illegally took records to MAL. That's weak sauce to actually indict an ex-president.

But then he had to turn over some of those records. And his team was so inept that they turned over things that revealed they had taken classified and top secret documents. This spawned a new case. The DoJ pursued it carefully, giving him multiple chances to correct things, also known as giving him enough rope to hang himself. He took advantage of the opportunity. He essentially kept stonewalling them but they kept after him, giving him multiple chances but not letting go.

Ultimately, under court orders, he turned over more secret documents. And they came back again and said we think you have more, give them to us NOW. He responded with a claim that nope, he turned it all over, no more secret documents, signed and promised. Whoops. Now he's also guilty of obstruction of justice, clearly, after a track record of being given 4 chances to get it right. There goes any remotely plausible entrapment claims.

So we get the search warrant and the seizure, followed by a slew of public statements that have essentially been confessions.

The case against him ...

Okay, now what about all of the crimes he did in office and the entire trying to overturn the government thing?


We understand Trump is shiat. The point of this is to get him on the easiest federal crimes.

Stop whining that bad people get away with shiat. Welcome to reality. Reminding us of reality is farking stupid. You add nothing. You just want to yell for attention.

Quit being a sad sack.
 
2022-12-05 10:22:13 PM  

qorkfiend: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Move those goalposts


It's a valid complaint.  Unrelated to the discussion at hand, but still valid.  The DoJ went out of their way trying to resolve this without having to actually go through all of this and not take him to court.

Any other person in any other position would've had their doors kicked in at 4AM and had their entire house stripped looking for documents and they'd have sat in jail until their case.

Instead they did everything to give Trump chances to return the docs, and if he had we would never had heard about this,

But it's possible to recognize the DOJ treated him defferentially and tried not to charge him and that  when he forced their hand by being an as, they are actually moving forward and shiat is happening.
 
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2022-12-05 10:23:59 PM  

wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Two years ago they didn't have an iron clad case about obstruction of justice involving the mishandling of classified documents. You have to understand this current case.

Presidential records were subpoenaed. TFG fought the subpoena claiming Executive Priviledge. It worked its way through the courts all the way to SCOTUS with TFG losing at every level while establishing his claims of EP would not fly. This resulted in a highlighting of the fact that he illegally took records to MAL. That's weak sauce to actually indict an ex-president.

But then he had to turn over some of those records. And his team was so inept that they turned over things that revealed they had taken classified and top secret documents. This spawned a new case. The DoJ pursued it carefully, giving him multiple chances to correct things, also known as giving him enough rope to hang himself. He took advantage of the opportunity. He essentially kept stonewalling them but they kept after him, giving him multiple chances but not letting go.

Ultimately, under court orders, he turned over more secret documents. And they came back again and said we think you have more, give them to us NOW. He responded with a claim that nope, he turned it all over, no more secret documents, signed and promised. Whoops. Now he's also guilty of obstruction of justice, clearly, after a track record of being given 4 chances to get it right. There goes any remotely plausible entrapment claims.

So we get the search warrant and the seizure, followed by a slew of public statements that have essentially been confessions.

The case against him ...


Trump should have been given the same courtesy that Manning and Winner were given, and that was sought with Assange and Snowden.  Immediate arrest, denied bail, all rights to foreign travel rescinded, and the authorities should have been given carte blanche to go through his entire life hour by hour to look at everything that could have possibly related to the eventual theft of classified material, with any other incriminating evidence of unrelated crimes being raised to a grand jury.
 
2022-12-05 10:25:28 PM  

quiotu: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Two years ago they didn't have an iron clad case about obstruction of justice involving the mishandling of classified documents. You have to understand this current case.

Presidential records were subpoenaed. TFG fought the subpoena claiming Executive Priviledge. It worked its way through the courts all the way to SCOTUS with TFG losing at every level while establishing his claims of EP would not fly. This resulted in a highlighting of the fact that he illegally took records to MAL. That's weak sauce to actually indict an ex-president.

But then he had to turn over some of those records. And his team was so inept that they turned over things that revealed they had taken classified and top secret documents. This spawned a new case. The DoJ pursued it carefully, giving him multiple chances to correct things, also known as giving him enough rope to hang himself. He took advantage of the opportunity. He essentially kept stonewalling them but they kept after him, giving him multiple chances but not letting go.

Ultimately, under court orders, he turned over more secret documents. And they came back again and said we think you have more, give them to us NOW. He responded with a claim that nope, he turned it all over, no more secret documents, signed and promised. Whoops. Now he's also guilty of obstruction of justice, clearly, after a track record of being given 4 chances to get it right. There goes any remotely plausible entrapment claims.

So we get the search warrant and the seizure, followed by a slew of public statements that have essentially been confessio ...


If you or I had done anything Trump did, we'd be in prison for life or executed two years ago. Forgive me for correctly believing he'll never face consequences for anything he's done and will in fact be rewarded for his actions.
 
2022-12-05 10:26:13 PM  

dkulprit: qorkfiend: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Move those goalposts

It's a valid complaint.  Unrelated to the discussion at hand, but still valid.  The DoJ went out of their way trying to resolve this without having to actually go through all of this and not take him to court.

Any other person in any other position would've had their doors kicked in at 4AM and had their entire house stripped looking for documents and they'd have sat in jail until their case.

Instead they did everything to give Trump chances to return the docs, and if he had we would never had heard about this,

But it's possible to recognize the DOJ treated him defferentially and tried not to charge him and that  when he forced their hand by being an as, they are actually moving forward and shiat is happening.


An unrelated and thoroughly discussed talking point is a strawman.

Stop white knighting strawmen.
 
2022-12-05 10:27:01 PM  
I think one of the things the trump team was trying for was an unredacted copy of the original warrent. This would let them know who was the doj source. Theoreticly cannon could have tried to push that out before the case was vacated. But it never would have happened.
 
2022-12-05 10:28:35 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: quiotu: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: wademh: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still thinking something's gonna happen?

You really don't understand anything that's going on. It's rather sad. TFG is being told by Jack Smith that he's coming for him, that he has all the advantages, that he knows he has the winning hand, and that there's nothing TFG's lawyers can do to stop him.

Why didn't the DoJ bring him in two years ago?

Two years ago they didn't have an iron clad case about obstruction of justice involving the mishandling of classified documents. You have to understand this current case.

Presidential records were subpoenaed. TFG fought the subpoena claiming Executive Priviledge. It worked its way through the courts all the way to SCOTUS with TFG losing at every level while establishing his claims of EP would not fly. This resulted in a highlighting of the fact that he illegally took records to MAL. That's weak sauce to actually indict an ex-president.

But then he had to turn over some of those records. And his team was so inept that they turned over things that revealed they had taken classified and top secret documents. This spawned a new case. The DoJ pursued it carefully, giving him multiple chances to correct things, also known as giving him enough rope to hang himself. He took advantage of the opportunity. He essentially kept stonewalling them but they kept after him, giving him multiple chances but not letting go.

Ultimately, under court orders, he turned over more secret documents. And they came back again and said we think you have more, give them to us NOW. He responded with a claim that nope, he turned it all over, no more secret documents, signed and promised. Whoops. Now he's also guilty of obstruction of justice, clearly, after a track record of being given 4 chances to get it right. There goes any remotely plausible entrapment claims.

So we get the search warrant and the seizure, followed by a slew of public statements that have essentially been confessio ...

If you or I had done anything Trump did, we'd be in prison for life or executed two years ago. Forgive me for correctly believing he'll never face consequences for anything he's done and will in fact be rewarded for his actions.


Yes, thanks for repeating what we all know, what you already said in this thread.

And I will repeat that you're a sad sack and desperate attention whore.

Do you have nothing else to offer but mundane reruns?
 
2022-12-05 10:28:36 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Does Trump still have to pay the Special Master for his now-moot work?

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Trump will not be paying for it.  The cretins that donate to him will be paying for it.
 
2022-12-05 10:38:54 PM  

Sexy Jesus: There are hundreds of this woman laced throughout the system. They are going to be with us for a looooooong time.


Well. Judge Cannon and the others you mention ARE part of Trump's Deep State...
 
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