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2022-12-05 1:15:26 PM  
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2022-12-05 2:15:35 PM  
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2022-12-05 3:29:27 PM  
I do suck at games, which is why I stopped playing them multiplayer. Now I play single-player games and can enjoy my failures in solitude.
 
2022-12-05 3:32:26 PM  
It's no secret that there's bots.  Up until a certain level, all players play entirely against bots.  Also, the bots are incredibly easy to beat.  When I first started out, I was winning at least 90% of my games against bots.  Once I started getting paired with human players, that dropped quickly.

FWIW, I'm enjoying the game, and I haven't spent a single dime on it.
 
2022-12-05 3:39:35 PM  
Wow I'm pretty let down its nothing like Pokémon Snap :(
 
2022-12-05 4:01:09 PM  
In my days we knew we played against bots and we liked it.
 
2022-12-05 4:19:39 PM  
There are bots for sure in the game, they're easy and make obvious mistakes.

You know you've hit a human player when they start busting out the latest OP strategy, probably from the same forum you read it on, so that both of you are essentially racing to pull off the latest recommended scripting strategy.

/we were the bots the whole time!
 
2022-12-05 4:20:22 PM  
Stopped playing online collectible card games like Hearthstone because they all gravitate to aggro, the most boring playstyle there is.

Outlast and win on last card being better than his?
Turn the game into a bizarre, unpredictable clown fiesta on every turn that frustrates the simple minded?
Use (or counter) a build up into a one-turn combo kill?
Take a gamble on crazy mechanics and poison his deck with damaging or worthless cards, steal his deck or burn his cards before played?

Nope, just focus on winning by piling the table with cheap shiat as fast as you can. Repeatedly. And with free refills on garbage too.
 
2022-12-05 4:20:47 PM  

NeoCortex42: It's no secret that there's bots.  Up until a certain level, all players play entirely against bots.  Also, the bots are incredibly easy to beat.  When I first started out, I was winning at least 90% of my games against bots.  Once I started getting paired with human players, that dropped quickly.

FWIW, I'm enjoying the game, and I haven't spent a single dime on it.


They've got to have that period to get you hooked.

It reminds me of Magic: The Gathering Arena matching you against noobs for your first 50 or so matches before dumping you into the general matchmaking pool. I went from winning about 75% of games to about 10%.

It's a great time to quit the game when that happens. Sure you could grind your way up, but why be miserable?
 
2022-12-05 4:22:29 PM  

Marcos P: Wow I'm pretty let down its nothing like Pokémon Snap :(


Hoping to get a good candid pic of America's ass in its natural habitat, were you?
 
2022-12-05 4:33:25 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Stopped playing online collectible card games like Hearthstone because they all gravitate to aggro, the most boring playstyle there is.

Outlast and win on last card being better than his?
Turn the game into a bizarre, unpredictable clown fiesta on every turn that frustrates the simple minded?
Use (or counter) a build up into a one-turn combo kill?
Take a gamble on crazy mechanics and poison his deck with damaging or worthless cards, steal his deck or burn his cards before played?

Nope, just focus on winning by piling the table with cheap shiat as fast as you can. Repeatedly. And with free refills on garbage too.


My favorite deck I use us just randomness. Can't counter my strategy when even I don't know what it is.
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It's surprisingly effective.
 
2022-12-05 4:45:52 PM  

Puglio: NeoCortex42: It's no secret that there's bots.  Up until a certain level, all players play entirely against bots.  Also, the bots are incredibly easy to beat.  When I first started out, I was winning at least 90% of my games against bots.  Once I started getting paired with human players, that dropped quickly.

FWIW, I'm enjoying the game, and I haven't spent a single dime on it.

They've got to have that period to get you hooked.

It reminds me of Magic: The Gathering Arena matching you against noobs for your first 50 or so matches before dumping you into the general matchmaking pool. I went from winning about 75% of games to about 10%.

It's a great time to quit the game when that happens. Sure you could grind your way up, but why be miserable?


The funny thing about how they match you with other humans is that it's primarily based on collection level, not playing level. The people who dumped a pile of cash on the game hoping to win are actually at a disadvantage vs the players that play/ grind their way up.

It's like buying a maxed out character in an MMO. Yeah, all of the abilities and toys are the same, but the whale doesn't have the personal experience actually playing the game.
 
2022-12-05 5:09:52 PM  
Sounds more like people are angry they not stomping noobs than people angry the game is hard.
 
2022-12-05 5:33:01 PM  

Puglio: It reminds me of Magic: The Gathering Arena matching you against noobs for your first 50 or so matches before dumping you into the general matchmaking pool. I went from winning about 75% of games to about 10%.


I'm the guy who had 3 - 4 of every card from Unlimited Edition / Arabian Nights / Antiquities-era MtG, including all the banned/restricted ones like Moxes and Sol Rings. The only way I could get people to play with me was their constructed decks vs. me buying and assembling something using a Started Deck and two random boosters.

Same experience. I only won occasionally, and usually because of the dumbest cards, like an Envenom I could grab out of the graveyard or a Mana Barbs. That made the wins way, way more fun than throwing down a deck with a reliable two or three turn win.

(My cards got ruined when a tree fell on my car during a storm and broke open the sterilite container they were in, which filled with water and eventually mold. They are past-tense Black Lotuses now).

Anyway, the thing that sucks here (per my roommate, who plays Marvel Snap) is that there are cheaty bots that play at higher levels than noob. I'm not sure if there's anything in the game's TOS about always playing human opponents or if the high level bots are someone's AI research, but the bots win a lot more than they lose and I can see how that would be a drag for people who actually put a lot of thought into their play.
 
2022-12-05 5:39:44 PM  

likefunbutnot: Anyway, the thing that sucks here (per my roommate, who plays Marvel Snap) is that there are cheaty bots that play at higher levels than noob. I'm not sure if there's anything in the game's TOS about always playing human opponents or if the high level bots are someone's AI research, but the bots win a lot more than they lose and I can see how that would be a drag for people who actually put a lot of thought into their play.


Almost every accusation of an opponent cheating is just someone not paying attention to a card/location.

As for high-level bots, there's really only three levels for matchmaking right now. Within each card pool, they're given out randomly. So you can be in the same tier as your opponent but face cards you don't have yet. But you'll also likely have cards they don't.
 
2022-12-05 6:00:04 PM  

NeoCortex42: likefunbutnot: Anyway, the thing that sucks here (per my roommate, who plays Marvel Snap) is that there are cheaty bots that play at higher levels than noob. I'm not sure if there's anything in the game's TOS about always playing human opponents or if the high level bots are someone's AI research, but the bots win a lot more than they lose and I can see how that would be a drag for people who actually put a lot of thought into their play.

Almost every accusation of an opponent cheating is just someone not paying attention to a card/location.

As for high-level bots, there's really only three levels for matchmaking right now. Within each card pool, they're given out randomly. So you can be in the same tier as your opponent but face cards you don't have yet. But you'll also likely have cards they don't.


Yep.

Also, the people complaining about high level bots obviously haven't had to deal with Ego or Agatha Harness very much. Their AI is... not great.
 
2022-12-05 6:32:37 PM  
I really have zero interest in any metagames
 
2022-12-05 6:41:56 PM  
There are bots until about level 30, at least that's where I hit my equilibrium between winning and losing those crystals. Might have done better if I'd been better at calling the snap.
 
2022-12-05 6:55:15 PM  

likefunbutnot: Puglio: It reminds me of Magic: The Gathering Arena matching you against noobs for your first 50 or so matches before dumping you into the general matchmaking pool. I went from winning about 75% of games to about 10%.

I'm the guy who had 3 - 4 of every card from Unlimited Edition / Arabian Nights / Antiquities-era MtG, including all the banned/restricted ones like Moxes and Sol Rings. The only way I could get people to play with me was their constructed decks vs. me buying and assembling something using a Started Deck and two random boosters.

Same experience. I only won occasionally, and usually because of the dumbest cards, like an Envenom I could grab out of the graveyard or a Mana Barbs. That made the wins way, way more fun than throwing down a deck with a reliable two or three turn win.

(My cards got ruined when a tree fell on my car during a storm and broke open the sterilite container they were in, which filled with water and eventually mold. They are past-tense Black Lotuses now).

Anyway, the thing that sucks here (per my roommate, who plays Marvel Snap) is that there are cheaty bots that play at higher levels than noob. I'm not sure if there's anything in the game's TOS about always playing human opponents or if the high level bots are someone's AI research, but the bots win a lot more than they lose and I can see how that would be a drag for people who actually put a lot of thought into their play.


Too weak my first tournament had multiple players with no land just moxes. Had a guy with ornithopters, and moxes win. His opponent had a stack of racks, time twisters and time walks. They went on to create legend of the five rings. I came in third with a solid white circle of protection deck. I beat Dave with my entire deck in my hand using a combo of eye for an eye, reverse damage and exploding my personal incarnation. I got to turn 6 before he took 30 straight turns in a row.
 
2022-12-05 7:30:51 PM  

talkertopc: In my days we knew we played against bots and we liked it.


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2022-12-05 10:34:39 PM  
Not always, subby... Some of these games are just too long, as enjoyable as they are, and you get a little bored with the grind. Even with good, well written games.

Others have some kind of Uber ridiculous boss that takes 3 weeks to beat. So I can get this. I've given a few up, just because of the first part. They were fun, and had great stories, but just kinda drug on after awhile.
 
2022-12-06 3:14:10 AM  
It might just be where I am in the tiers, but it seems lots of games come down to a turn 6 crapshoot where either player can win and it entirely depends on what is played where.

This sound obvious, but you are trying to blindly guess what your opponent is going to do in order to counter it and there are multiple valid choices for your opponent l, each of which requires you to act differently, and there is no real information about how they are going to play so you are just guessing.


Look it made sense in my head, ok.
 
2022-12-06 9:11:15 AM  

olorin604: It might just be where I am in the tiers, but it seems lots of games come down to a turn 6 crapshoot where either player can win and it entirely depends on what is played where.

This sound obvious, but you are trying to blindly guess what your opponent is going to do in order to counter it and there are multiple valid choices for your opponent l, each of which requires you to act differently, and there is no real information about how they are going to play so you are just guessing.


Look it made sense in my head, ok.


The key is to get things in a spot where they can't win easily in Turn 6.  There's some very popular decks going right now (Discard with Apocalypse, Destroy with Death, etc).  By round 3, it's usually obvious what their strategy is.  Then it's just a matter of countering it and planning for what they want to do.
 
2022-12-06 11:12:41 AM  
likefunbutnot:
Anyway, the thing that sucks here (per my roommate, who plays Marvel Snap) is that there are cheaty bots that play at higher levels than noob. I'm not sure if there's anything in the game's TOS about always playing human opponents or if the high level bots are someone's AI research, but the bots win a lot more than they lose and I can see how that would be a drag for people who actually put a lot of thought into their play.

There are many different bots in Marvel Snap. There's the bots new players play against which present themselves as other players, but are not. They're easy to beat, intentionally so.

There's the Agatha and Ego bots, which take control for the player. Agatha tries to stay in a "win" condition at all times (i.e. stay in position so that if the game suddenly ended, they would win). She also ignores location effects which makes some location set ups basically an auto lose. Ego to me seems almost random, with a preference for playing the most recently drawn card - but I haven't seen him enough times to be sure he's not just the same bot as Agatha.

Then there's the high level bots that impersonate players. These get trotted out when the game is having trouble match making. The high level bots are not smarter than their beginner compatriots. They're hard because they've given access to two cheats: they see the cards played against them before they're played (Daredevil, but all rounds), and they know the result of "random" outcomes before they play. This amounts to a hard counter for some decks, but can be exploited as well. Like, play a mantis and they'll never drop cards at that location that round. Play Professor X, and they'll dump everything they can into that lane that round.
 
2022-12-06 12:14:56 PM  

Maneck: likefunbutnot:
Anyway, the thing that sucks here (per my roommate, who plays Marvel Snap) is that there are cheaty bots that play at higher levels than noob. I'm not sure if there's anything in the game's TOS about always playing human opponents or if the high level bots are someone's AI research, but the bots win a lot more than they lose and I can see how that would be a drag for people who actually put a lot of thought into their play.

There are many different bots in Marvel Snap. There's the bots new players play against which present themselves as other players, but are not. They're easy to beat, intentionally so.

There's the Agatha and Ego bots, which take control for the player. Agatha tries to stay in a "win" condition at all times (i.e. stay in position so that if the game suddenly ended, they would win). She also ignores location effects which makes some location set ups basically an auto lose. Ego to me seems almost random, with a preference for playing the most recently drawn card - but I haven't seen him enough times to be sure he's not just the same bot as Agatha.

Then there's the high level bots that impersonate players. These get trotted out when the game is having trouble match making. The high level bots are not smarter than their beginner compatriots. They're hard because they've given access to two cheats: they see the cards played against them before they're played (Daredevil, but all rounds), and they know the result of "random" outcomes before they play. This amounts to a hard counter for some decks, but can be exploited as well. Like, play a mantis and they'll never drop cards at that location that round. Play Professor X, and they'll dump everything they can into that lane that round.


They really need to fix Agatha. I don't want it to be too advanced, but at least take locations into account. If lowest power wins the location, stop dropping high-power cards on it!
 
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