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2022-12-05 8:33:49 AM  
This is what happens in third world countries like what the USA has become.
 
2022-12-05 8:55:35 AM  
There's like 50-100 MILLION doses of tamiflu stockpiled around the country. I have 30,000...

Problem is, that sh*t doesn't do a goddamn thing. You have to take it IMMEDIATELY after you begin feeling symptoms and the full course of treatment is the length of the virus anyway... so it's mostly a complete waste.

Baxter is back to full production now, so fluid shortages have mostly gone away... Some specialized things are still tough, but available.

Injectables though? Yeah, that has been a f*cking b*tch for years now. Epi and Lidocaine injections have been like trying to find gold, especially the combos. Proprofol is plentiful and i have not seen any fentanyl shortages that would alarm me. There are other presentations available.

Lorazepam is just gone... that's a big one.

We have a serious problem in that only a few places make these key drugs and when they have issues we're all screwed. Some are made in other countries and that's it, no other source... like Vanocomycin... that was an issue in the past.

This is something that Congress needs to address, but LOL yeah, that ain't gonna happen. We need to discuss Hunter Biden's laptop for the next 2 years.
 
2022-12-05 9:09:46 AM  
It's more profitable to keep production tightly matched with supply.  Excess capacity just for the sake of saving peoples lives robs money from the US health care industry.
 
2022-12-05 9:42:31 AM  
Well, the .99 version of Children's Tylenol is available, it's the $99 the hospitals give out that are in short supply
 
2022-12-05 9:44:12 AM  
Fentanyl is not deadly on contact like the cops and media portray. You will not absorb a lethal dose by touching it in powder form.
 
2022-12-05 9:46:57 AM  
A competent natonal government would recognize market failures for critical goods such as these and step in without hesitation.
 
2022-12-05 9:47:19 AM  
DEA also limits in advance how much of a controlled substance may be produced in aggregate and also per each manufacturer.  Limits are also placed on precursor ingredients for manufacturing controlled drugs.  Just monitoring production would be much more rational, but hey war on drugs.
 
2022-12-05 9:47:29 AM  
How are they doing on the lethal injection drug shortage?

It could be synergy time.
 
2022-12-05 9:54:22 AM  

NewportBarGuy: There's like 50-100 MILLION doses of tamiflu stockpiled around the country. I have 30,000...

Problem is, that sh*t doesn't do a goddamn thing. You have to take it IMMEDIATELY after you begin feeling symptoms and the full course of treatment is the length of the virus anyway... so it's mostly a complete waste.

Baxter is back to full production now, so fluid shortages have mostly gone away... Some specialized things are still tough, but available.

Injectables though? Yeah, that has been a f*cking b*tch for years now. Epi and Lidocaine injections have been like trying to find gold, especially the combos. Proprofol is plentiful and i have not seen any fentanyl shortages that would alarm me. There are other presentations available.

Lorazepam is just gone... that's a big one.

We have a serious problem in that only a few places make these key drugs and when they have issues we're all screwed. Some are made in other countries and that's it, no other source... like Vanocomycin... that was an issue in the past.

This is something that Congress needs to address, but LOL yeah, that ain't gonna happen. We need to discuss Hunter Biden's laptop for the next 2 years.


All of this!

The supply chain for meds has consolidated into single or dual sources for so many critical medications, and it isn't just the US that deals with problems, it is a global problem.

Heparin is the one that gets me, there are two primary sources last I checked, pigs in Italy and China.  A bad swine flu in either region will totally Bork the global supply of that drug.

And it isn't like someone is sitting on enough supply to make up for a failure in one region.

You mention Baxter, if their fluid supply plants in PR get knocked offline, it isn't like the 3 other primary fluid suppliers to the US market can step in and cover all of Baxters production.  There's typically about 2 weeks - one month in the distribution network, but once that dries out that's it.  Every other company will have their supply on protective allocation, and only have very small amounts available to non contracted customers.
 
2022-12-05 9:55:55 AM  
Time to go trick or treating in December.
 
2022-12-05 9:58:48 AM  

Riche: A competent natonal government would recognize market failures for critical goods such as these and step in without hesitation.


A competent government would do a lot of things that our government never even considers.
 
2022-12-05 10:04:09 AM  

Famous Thamas: and only have very small amounts available to non contracted customers.


Well, that's the key...

I have been SUPER diligent about keeping contacts and keeping my contracted allocations intact and increasing them at every opportunity.

It's a major pain in the ass and it's all so they can minimize supply to increase profitability and f*ck the rest of us just trying to keep our hospitals running.

It's super frustrating, but so far I've been able to stay ahead of most of it.

New customer or account? Well, you can f*ck right off then.

Been trying to also help a few people where I can, but the supply is so tight I can't do that as much as I'd like to.
 
2022-12-05 10:08:30 AM  

dkimball: Well, the .99 version of Children's Tylenol is available, it's the $99 the hospitals give out that are in short supply


Yea, the IV version might be.  Between the recent saline bag shortage, the higher cost of the injectable form, the labor of pharmacy mixing (you don't just get premade bags with the Tylenol in it) and the nurse to hang the bag.  Plus the hospital has a base rate of the drug of wholesale cost + X%
 
2022-12-05 10:09:54 AM  
Just use the rainbow stuff like the kids do.
 
2022-12-05 10:12:46 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Famous Thamas: and only have very small amounts available to non contracted customers.

Well, that's the key...

I have been SUPER diligent about keeping contacts and keeping my contracted allocations intact and increasing them at every opportunity.

It's a major pain in the ass and it's all so they can minimize supply to increase profitability and f*ck the rest of us just trying to keep our hospitals running.

It's super frustrating, but so far I've been able to stay ahead of most of it.

New customer or account? Well, you can f*ck right off then.

Been trying to also help a few people where I can, but the supply is so tight I can't do that as much as I'd like to.


Are you in health system purchasing?
 
2022-12-05 10:17:08 AM  
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2022-12-05 10:21:36 AM  

NewportBarGuy: This is something that Congress needs to address, but LOL yeah, that ain't gonna happen. We need to discuss Hunter Biden's laptop for the next 2 years.


Congress did address it by removing support for the drug industry in Puerto Rico, causing Puerto Rico to be severely hurt economically and allowing the Chinese to manufacture our drugs. You have Clinton and all his deregulation that led to the economy collapsing in 2008 to thank.
 
2022-12-05 10:25:39 AM  
It's a really bad time to get sick. Stay healthy out there.
Get vaccinated, wear a mask when needed.
Otherwise you might be farked.
 
2022-12-05 10:35:47 AM  
For those that don't believe Clinton is responsible for moving our drug manufacturing from Puerto Rico to China:

Hazy Forecast for Puerto Rico : Taxes: Clinton's budget will phase out most tax breaks for U.S. firms. The commonwealth may try new incentives.
BY DAVID R. OLMOS
AUG. 16, 1993 12 AM PT


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-08-16-fi-24440-story.html
 
2022-12-05 10:40:51 AM  

functionisalwaystaken: NewportBarGuy: Famous Thamas: and only have very small amounts available to non contracted customers.

Well, that's the key...

I have been SUPER diligent about keeping contacts and keeping my contracted allocations intact and increasing them at every opportunity.

It's a major pain in the ass and it's all so they can minimize supply to increase profitability and f*ck the rest of us just trying to keep our hospitals running.

It's super frustrating, but so far I've been able to stay ahead of most of it.

New customer or account? Well, you can f*ck right off then.

Been trying to also help a few people where I can, but the supply is so tight I can't do that as much as I'd like to.

Are you in health system purchasing?


Heh... Am I that obvious?

Yeah, i purchase drugs all day long. It's incredibly frustrating most of the time.
 
2022-12-05 10:42:32 AM  
Do we have enough iPhones and OLED TVs coming? That's the important stuff.
 
2022-12-05 10:43:21 AM  

NewportBarGuy: functionisalwaystaken: NewportBarGuy: Famous Thamas: and only have very small amounts available to non contracted customers.

Well, that's the key...

I have been SUPER diligent about keeping contacts and keeping my contracted allocations intact and increasing them at every opportunity.

It's a major pain in the ass and it's all so they can minimize supply to increase profitability and f*ck the rest of us just trying to keep our hospitals running.

It's super frustrating, but so far I've been able to stay ahead of most of it.

New customer or account? Well, you can f*ck right off then.

Been trying to also help a few people where I can, but the supply is so tight I can't do that as much as I'd like to.

Are you in health system purchasing?

Heh... Am I that obvious?

Yeah, i purchase drugs all day long. It's incredibly frustrating most of the time.


People like you keep drug dealers in business :)
 
2022-12-05 10:46:43 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Riche: A competent natonal government would recognize market failures for critical goods such as these and step in without hesitation.

A competent government would do a lot of things that our government never even considers.


A competent government would be a full time job dealing with actual real life problems instead of spending 99% of the time fund raising and playing to the base for the next election.
 
2022-12-05 10:47:58 AM  

johnphantom: Puerto Rico


How much of PR are you willing to turn into a super fund site?   Be specific.
 
2022-12-05 10:48:00 AM  

snocone: AdmirableSnackbar: Riche: A competent natonal government would recognize market failures for critical goods such as these and step in without hesitation.

A competent government would do a lot of things that our government never even considers.

A competent government would be a full time job dealing with actual real life problems instead of spending 99% of the time fund raising and playing to the base for the next election.


Which is weird because if they actually solved problems they would never have to worry about having to fundraise for elections ever again.
 
2022-12-05 10:48:46 AM  

2wolves: johnphantom: Puerto Rico

How much of PR are you willing to turn into a super fund site?   Be specific.


Carter saw fit to do so.
 
2022-12-05 10:51:09 AM  
What he can't just grab enough to kill every human on the planet off the internet?

What will he do with the other handful?

//nasty, nasty drug.
 
2022-12-05 10:54:25 AM  
Haha, see it's funny because now we're having to use older and far more dangerous medications to do the same job.

/actually its not funny
//stadol and demerol are not good drugs for emergency situations.
 
2022-12-05 10:55:43 AM  
I can have the Mexican cartels send a few containers up here by Thursday.
 
2022-12-05 10:56:47 AM  

snocone: This is what happens in third world countries like what the USA has become.


The term "Third World" arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either NATO or the Warsaw Pact. The United States, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Western European nations and their allies represented the "First World", while the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and their allies represented the "Second World". This terminology provided a way of broadly categorizing the nations of the Earth into three groups based on political divisions. Strictly speaking, "Third World" was a political, rather than an economic, grouping.
 
2022-12-05 10:57:59 AM  

johnphantom: For those that don't believe Clinton is responsible for moving our drug manufacturing from Puerto Rico to China:

Hazy Forecast for Puerto Rico : Taxes: Clinton's budget will phase out most tax breaks for U.S. firms. The commonwealth may try new incentives.
BY DAVID R. OLMOS
AUG. 16, 1993 12 AM PT

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-08-16-fi-24440-story.html


If our drug industry weren't one huge race to the bottom and long term consequences be damned, ending PR's tax bennies should have affected PR but not the whole industry.
 
2022-12-05 10:58:46 AM  

NewportBarGuy: functionisalwaystaken: NewportBarGuy: Famous Thamas: and only have very small amounts available to non contracted customers.

Well, that's the key...

I have been SUPER diligent about keeping contacts and keeping my contracted allocations intact and increasing them at every opportunity.

It's a major pain in the ass and it's all so they can minimize supply to increase profitability and f*ck the rest of us just trying to keep our hospitals running.

It's super frustrating, but so far I've been able to stay ahead of most of it.

New customer or account? Well, you can f*ck right off then.

Been trying to also help a few people where I can, but the supply is so tight I can't do that as much as I'd like to.

Are you in health system purchasing?

Heh... Am I that obvious?

Yeah, i purchase drugs all day long. It's incredibly frustrating most of the time.


Ms Function works closely with the purchasing group at her hospital.  She manages formulary, drug information, pharmacy informatics, and shortages.
 
2022-12-05 11:07:02 AM  

Priapetic: johnphantom: For those that don't believe Clinton is responsible for moving our drug manufacturing from Puerto Rico to China:

Hazy Forecast for Puerto Rico : Taxes: Clinton's budget will phase out most tax breaks for U.S. firms. The commonwealth may try new incentives.
BY DAVID R. OLMOS
AUG. 16, 1993 12 AM PT

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-08-16-fi-24440-story.html

If our drug industry weren't one huge race to the bottom and long term consequences be damned, ending PR's tax bennies should have affected PR but not the whole industry.


Well the fact is we lost having one of the worlds largest drug manufacturing sites within the USA, under our control, rather than letting China take over.

FTA: Puerto Rico has become one of the world's leading manufacturing locations for drug makers, attracting such firms as Abbott Laboratories, Amgen, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Eli Lilly, Pfizer, Schering-Plough and SmithKline Beecham.
 
2022-12-05 11:18:12 AM  

Halfabee64: Just use the rainbow stuff like the kids do.


No don't do that, it'll kill them if they're in the same room with it. They can't even look at it, I know because the copaganda over the last two or three years has told me so.

Surely they would never lie about such things......
 
2022-12-05 11:23:55 AM  
It's almost like letting private, for-profit companies game supply and demand of critical health drugs, treatment and equipment has a downside. Almost.
 
2022-12-05 11:30:45 AM  

clborgia: snocone: This is what happens in third world countries like what the USA has become.

The term "Third World" arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either NATO or the Warsaw Pact. The United States, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Western European nations and their allies represented the "First World", while the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and their allies represented the "Second World". This terminology provided a way of broadly categorizing the nations of the Earth into three groups based on political divisions. Strictly speaking, "Third World" was a political, rather than an economic, grouping.


No one uses it like that. 🤷‍♂

You think that is bad. Download is used in too many ways instead of using the correct words.
 
2022-12-05 11:33:53 AM  
Greatest medical system in the world.... lol

/ Have experienced US healthcare, Canadian healthcare and Irish healthcare as a US expat
// US healthcare is waaaay overhyped
// Irish was probably the best of the three - social healthcare for all and the additional private insurance for my family of four was about $200USD per month (could see private doctors/hospitals in addition to public options).
 
2022-12-05 11:34:25 AM  
I got fentanyl for a procedure recently. Its total effect was to make me unconscious for 2.5 hours.

Who is using this recreationally?  Insomniacs?
 
2022-12-05 11:44:31 AM  

thrasherrr: I got fentanyl for a procedure recently. Its total effect was to make me unconscious for 2.5 hours.

Who is using this recreationally?  Insomniacs?


No, most of us just use weed.
 
2022-12-05 11:48:50 AM  

johnphantom: 2wolves: johnphantom: Puerto Rico

How much of PR are you willing to turn into a super fund site?   Be specific.

Carter saw fit to do so.


That changes my question to what benefit?  You're dodging.
 
2022-12-05 11:55:59 AM  

functionisalwaystaken: NewportBarGuy: functionisalwaystaken: NewportBarGuy: Famous Thamas: and only have very small amounts available to non contracted customers.

Well, that's the key...

I have been SUPER diligent about keeping contacts and keeping my contracted allocations intact and increasing them at every opportunity.

It's a major pain in the ass and it's all so they can minimize supply to increase profitability and f*ck the rest of us just trying to keep our hospitals running.

It's super frustrating, but so far I've been able to stay ahead of most of it.

New customer or account? Well, you can f*ck right off then.

Been trying to also help a few people where I can, but the supply is so tight I can't do that as much as I'd like to.

Are you in health system purchasing?

Heh... Am I that obvious?

Yeah, i purchase drugs all day long. It's incredibly frustrating most of the time.

Ms Function works closely with the purchasing group at her hospital.  She manages formulary, drug information, pharmacy informatics, and shortages.


It's not an easy thing at all... Lately it has been hair on fire 24/7...
 
2022-12-05 11:57:57 AM  

2wolves: johnphantom: 2wolves: johnphantom: Puerto Rico

How much of PR are you willing to turn into a super fund site?   Be specific.

Carter saw fit to do so.

That changes my question to what benefit?  You're dodging.


johnphantom: FTA: Puerto Rico has become one of the world's leading manufacturing locations for drug makers, attracting such firms as Abbott Laboratories, Amgen, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Eli Lilly, Pfizer, Schering-Plough and SmithKline Beecham.

 
2022-12-05 12:07:47 PM  
a shortage of basic antibiotics such as amoxicillin


Just head on down to Petsmart!

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2022-12-05 12:11:58 PM  

iheartscotch: Fentanyl is not deadly on contact like the cops and media portray. You will not absorb a lethal dose by touching it in powder form.


Fentanyl, used appropriately, is a farking fantastic drug. They peeled my ear back from my skull and drilled a hole into my middle ear to remove a growth, and carved part of my facial muscle from my temple to rebuild my tympanic membrane and one hit of fent post op made the pain... poof.
 
2022-12-05 12:14:42 PM  

iheartscotch: Fentanyl is not deadly on contact like the cops and media portray. You will not absorb a lethal dose by touching it in powder form.


Thanks for the headsup, please post this in a lot of threads.
 
2022-12-05 12:20:49 PM  
Oh, yay.  Combined with the sudden lack of pediatric antibiotics, and the advice that "Children Don't Really Feel Pain, so don't bother with the Kid's Tylenol, This Isn't A Shortage" from Saturday, this sounds like the world is doing great.

Everything is totally fine.
 
2022-12-05 12:24:30 PM  

thrasherrr: I got fentanyl for a procedure recently. Its total effect was to make me unconscious for 2.5 hours.

Who is using this recreationally?  Insomniacs?


Very few people are intentionally using it recreationally.

Dealers are passing it off as heroin because it's cheaper and easier to make, and people unknowingly overdose
 
2022-12-05 12:26:18 PM  

waxbeans: clborgia: snocone: This is what happens in third world countries like what the USA has become.

The term "Third World" arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either NATO or the Warsaw Pact. The United States, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Western European nations and their allies represented the "First World", while the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and their allies represented the "Second World". This terminology provided a way of broadly categorizing the nations of the Earth into three groups based on political divisions. Strictly speaking, "Third World" was a political, rather than an economic, grouping.

No one uses it like that. 🤷‍♂

You think that is bad. Download is used in too many ways instead of using the correct words.


next, let's talk about "algorithm"
 
2022-12-05 12:27:04 PM  

parrellel: Oh, yay.  Combined with the sudden lack of pediatric antibiotics, and the advice that "Children Don't Really Feel Pain, so don't bother with the Kid's Tylenol, This Isn't A Shortage" from Saturday, this sounds like the world is doing great.

Everything is totally fine.


>children don't really feel pain

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People who think this are dumb, and there's a special place in hell for the neonatologist that tried to convince us of this for years.
 
2022-12-05 12:28:34 PM  

waxbeans: You think that is bad. Download is used in too many ways instead of using the correct words.


People don't have the bandwidth to change how they use the word "download"
 
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