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(MLB Trade Rumors)   It would have been criminal not to elect the Crime Dog to the Baseball Hall of Fame   (mlbtraderumors.com) divider line
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Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark]
2022-12-05 9:48:22 AM  
Thank you for being part of a franchise defining trade leading to back to back world series.
 
drewogatory
2022-12-05 10:39:34 AM  
Everyone like McGriff, but it's a joke he's in over Bonds. So, Fred juicing = totally fine, Barry juicing isn't? So stupid.
 
Tom-Servo
2022-12-05 10:42:46 AM  
Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.
 
rickythepenguin
2022-12-05 10:44:00 AM  
Tom Emanski's Defensive Drills Commercial ft. Fred McGriff (1997)
Youtube 2T-TYMPQSbE


This is what put him in the HOF
 
Straight Outta Wells Branch [TotalFark]
2022-12-05 11:30:21 AM  

rickythepenguin: [YouTube video: Tom Emanski's Defensive Drills Commercial ft. Fred McGriff (1997)]

This is what put him in the HOF


It was the instructional video that got results!
 
KingKauff
2022-12-05 11:52:04 AM  

Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.


This. My SO told me about that last night and I was a tad livid. I still am. I'm sure some of my lividity is because Murph was my first favorite player. How can he not be in the Hall while Harold Baines is?  I'm not knocking the Crime Dog at all. He was a great player and set fire to the city when he arrived.
 
Shakes999
2022-12-05 12:04:55 PM  
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Semi-relevant
 
FLMountainMan
2022-12-05 12:09:41 PM  

drewogatory: Everyone like McGriff, but it's a joke he's in over Bonds. So, Fred juicing = totally fine, Barry juicing isn't? So stupid.


Is there any proof that McGriff juiced?  Did his head grow to the size of a basketball and I missed it?
 
drewogatory
2022-12-05 12:13:28 PM  

FLMountainMan: drewogatory: Everyone like McGriff, but it's a joke he's in over Bonds. So, Fred juicing = totally fine, Barry juicing isn't? So stupid.

Is there any proof that McGriff juiced?  Did his head grow to the size of a basketball and I missed it?


No idea. I just read it in some other article about this somewhere. I like Crime Dog and don't care if he did juice BTW.
 
WoodyHayes [OhFark]
2022-12-05 12:39:14 PM  
Just hearing "Crime Dog" makes me think of summer mornings watching SportsCenter a few trillion times in a row.
 
Adolf Oliver Nipples [TotalFark]
2022-12-05 12:55:07 PM  
His hat is going to be the goofy one he wore in the Emanski commercial.
 
azwethnkweiz
2022-12-05 12:57:07 PM  

Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.


I've been a Braves fan since the 80s and Murphy was very good but never great, he's not a hall of famer.  McGriff was more deserving.  Who cares about some museum though?
 
Your_Huckleberry
2022-12-05 12:59:37 PM  

drewogatory: FLMountainMan: drewogatory: Everyone like McGriff, but it's a joke he's in over Bonds. So, Fred juicing = totally fine, Barry juicing isn't? So stupid.

Is there any proof that McGriff juiced?  Did his head grow to the size of a basketball and I missed it?

No idea. I just read it in some other article about this somewhere. I like Crime Dog and don't care if he did juice BTW.


I've personally never seen or read anything tying him to that stuff.
Loved his crazy swing, the whipping follow-through over his head. McGriff led the NL in homeruns with a number like 36, with the Padres right before the PED era took off.

The voting here is apparently a closely guarded secret, but it is kinda out there that Bonds and Clemons did not get many votes at all. That strikes me as a big GFY to them. Considering this was coming from a few guys that are already in the Hall, this is a big "We don't want you here". In other words, they go theirs. Go away.
 
KingKauff
2022-12-05 1:02:31 PM  

FLMountainMan: drewogatory: Everyone like McGriff, but it's a joke he's in over Bonds. So, Fred juicing = totally fine, Barry juicing isn't? So stupid.

Is there any proof that McGriff juiced?  Did his head grow to the size of a basketball and I missed it?


No, but Eric Gregg sure did.

/still bitter
 
iamskibibitz
2022-12-05 1:03:32 PM  

rickythepenguin: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/2T-TYMPQSbE]

This is what put him in the HOF


Um, yeah, about that...

"In 2021, McGriff admitted on Kenny Mayne's final ESPN show that he had never seen Emanski's defensive drills video" (source: Wikipedia)
 
KingKauff
2022-12-05 1:04:20 PM  

azwethnkweiz: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

I've been a Braves fan since the 80s and Murphy was very good but never great, he's not a hall of famer.  McGriff was more deserving.  Who cares about some museum though?


Umm, what?  Congratulations.  That's gonna be the dumbest thing I'll read all day.
 
azwethnkweiz
2022-12-05 1:07:59 PM  

KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

I've been a Braves fan since the 80s and Murphy was very good but never great, he's not a hall of famer.  McGriff was more deserving.  Who cares about some museum though?

Umm, what?  Congratulations.  That's gonna be the dumbest thing I'll read all day.


In what way?  Is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  He was my favorite player as a kid, so I'm not against it, I'd be happy if he got in but there's just nothing to support it.  I've tried to justify his candidacy for years to many people, I eventually had to admit that he's not on that level.
 
The Bestest
2022-12-05 1:09:08 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: The voting here is apparently a closely guarded secret, but it is kinda out there that Bonds and Clemons did not get many votes at all. That strikes me as a big GFY to them. Considering this was coming from a few guys that are already in the Hall, this is a big "We don't want you here". In other words, they go theirs. Go away.


It struck me that Schilling got fewer votes than Mattingly. I'm as big a Yankee homer as you'll find and Mattingly is -not- HoF caliber. If we take baseball considerations only, Schilling would be borderline, but its pretty clear the "character clause" is hurting him.
 
SuburbanCowboy
2022-12-05 1:11:23 PM  
If you've never hear McGruff sing a Yacht Rock style song about the dangers of alcohol, and were dreaming about one, well today is your lucky day.
 
Dead for Tax Reasons
2022-12-05 1:11:31 PM  
sounds about right
 
SuburbanCowboy
2022-12-05 1:11:52 PM  

SuburbanCowboy: If you've never hear McGruff sing a Yacht Rock style song about the dangers of alcohol, and were dreaming about one, well today is your lucky day.


Might be a good idea to post the link...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpQwLC9hyeA
 
KingKauff
2022-12-05 1:14:54 PM  

azwethnkweiz: KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

I've been a Braves fan since the 80s and Murphy was very good but never great, he's not a hall of famer.  McGriff was more deserving.  Who cares about some museum though?

Umm, what?  Congratulations.  That's gonna be the dumbest thing I'll read all day.

In what way?  Is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  He was my favorite player as a kid, so I'm not against it, I'd be happy if he got in but there's just nothing to support it.  I've tried to justify his candidacy for years to many people, I eventually had to admit that he's not on that level.


Two time MVP on crappy teams, 398 homers in an era where the league leaders were in the upper 30s, great glove, longevity, etc. etc.
 
Tom-Servo
2022-12-05 1:22:47 PM  

azwethnkweiz: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

I've been a Braves fan since the 80s and Murphy was very good but never great, he's not a hall of famer.  McGriff was more deserving.  Who cares about some museum though?


Bob Horner was good, not great. But Dale Murphy, he was truly a great baseball player.
 
azwethnkweiz
2022-12-05 1:43:05 PM  

KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

I've been a Braves fan since the 80s and Murphy was very good but never great, he's not a hall of famer.  McGriff was more deserving.  Who cares about some museum though?

Umm, what?  Congratulations.  That's gonna be the dumbest thing I'll read all day.

In what way?  Is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  He was my favorite player as a kid, so I'm not against it, I'd be happy if he got in but there's just nothing to support it.  I've tried to justify his candidacy for years to many people, I eventually had to admit that he's not on that level.

Two time MVP on crappy teams, 398 homers in an era where the league leaders were in the upper 30s, great glove, longevity, etc. etc.


Yeah he had some good seasons but is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  This isn't the NBA, it's not the Hall of the Very Good.
 
KingKauff
2022-12-05 1:58:36 PM  

azwethnkweiz: KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

I've been a Braves fan since the 80s and Murphy was very good but never great, he's not a hall of famer.  McGriff was more deserving.  Who cares about some museum though?

Umm, what?  Congratulations.  That's gonna be the dumbest thing I'll read all day.

In what way?  Is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  He was my favorite player as a kid, so I'm not against it, I'd be happy if he got in but there's just nothing to support it.  I've tried to justify his candidacy for years to many people, I eventually had to admit that he's not on that level.

Two time MVP on crappy teams, 398 homers in an era where the league leaders were in the upper 30s, great glove, longevity, etc. etc.

Yeah he had some good seasons but is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  This isn't the NBA, it's not the Hall of the Very Good.


Seven time All Star, multiple gold glove and silver slugger awards. Of course, you could look it up for yourself.
 
Your_Huckleberry
2022-12-05 2:07:26 PM  

The Bestest: Your_Huckleberry: The voting here is apparently a closely guarded secret, but it is kinda out there that Bonds and Clemons did not get many votes at all. That strikes me as a big GFY to them. Considering this was coming from a few guys that are already in the Hall, this is a big "We don't want you here". In other words, they go theirs. Go away.

It struck me that Schilling got fewer votes than Mattingly. I'm as big a Yankee homer as you'll find and Mattingly is -not- HoF caliber. If we take baseball considerations only, Schilling would be borderline, but its pretty clear the "character clause" is hurting him.


I always liked Mattingly, but I'd agree he's probably right below HOF level. Pains me to say it as a Giants fan, but I'd put Will Clark there with him. And I loved watching Clark play.
And yes, Schilling is a POS and so much so that it's hurting his chances.
 
Dr Dreidel
2022-12-05 2:16:25 PM  

azwethnkweiz: KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

I've been a Braves fan since the 80s and Murphy was very good but never great, he's not a hall of famer.  McGriff was more deserving.  Who cares about some museum though?

Umm, what?  Congratulations.  That's gonna be the dumbest thing I'll read all day.

In what way?  Is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  He was my favorite player as a kid, so I'm not against it, I'd be happy if he got in but there's just nothing to support it.  I've tried to justify his candidacy for years to many people, I eventually had to admit that he's not on that level.

Two time MVP on crappy teams, 398 homers in an era where the league leaders were in the upper 30s, great glove, longevity, etc. etc.

Yeah he had some good seasons but is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  This isn't the NBA, it's not the Hall of the Very Good.


According to baseball-reference.com, Murph's similarity scores put him on par with the likes of Andruw Jones (not in the Hall yet, but he got a 44% vote share this year and support is growing), Joe Carter, and Duke Snider.

From ages 28-34 (most players' prime years), he was most similar to Reggie Jackson.

I dunno if that's Hall-worthy, but it makes a hell of a case.

// Mattingly is the only Yankee I don't spit after hearing/saying their name
// Schilling screwed several of my friends out of their last 38studios' paychecks, he can fark off into the sun
 
Super Chronic
2022-12-05 2:16:55 PM  

The Bestest: I'm as big a Yankee homer as you'll find and Mattingly is -not- HoF caliber.


It's always been semi-surprising to me that there isn't much of a history of Yankees getting more support for the HOF than they deserve. Maybe Mattingly got a little extra support, but even he didn't get that close. There are worse HOFers than Ron Guidry, Willie Randolph, Graig Nettles, David Cone and Bernie Williams, but there's never been much of a push for any of those guys to get in. Hell, Andy Pettitte retired with a higher career fWAR than his contemporary Tom Glavine and isn't close (he has a bit of PED stink, but not at Clemens level). Maybe Thurman Munson could have made it under the Ross Youngs criterion (an on-his-way career cut tragically short), but he didn't get much traction either. Maybe Catfish Hunter got a little extra credit, but hell, he was part of two dynasties.
 
rickythepenguin
2022-12-05 2:19:41 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: And yes, Schilling is a POS and so much so that it's hurting his chances.


had he won his second ring for the Mariners, or Rockies, his "ZOMG HOF HE WON 2 WORLD SERIES" resume would be vastly different.

win a ring in Arizona, great, win one in one in a historic franchise, how long they suffered. whole new lens.

dipshiattery aside - as a Snakes fan - I say hall of very good, not HOF.  obvious comparison being Eli Mannning.  Is he HOF material?  No.  Two rings, I get it, "the football genes", the TV draw of Peyton inducting him, etc.  "yeah but he beat the Belichick Pats and Brady!"  ok but......he's not that great.
 
The Bestest
2022-12-05 2:28:55 PM  

Super Chronic: The Bestest: I'm as big a Yankee homer as you'll find and Mattingly is -not- HoF caliber.

It's always been semi-surprising to me that there isn't much of a history of Yankees getting more support for the HOF than they deserve. Maybe Mattingly got a little extra support, but even he didn't get that close. There are worse HOFers than Ron Guidry, Willie Randolph, Graig Nettles, David Cone and Bernie Williams, but there's never been much of a push for any of those guys to get in. Hell, Andy Pettitte retired with a higher career fWAR than his contemporary Tom Glavine and isn't close (he has a bit of PED stink, but not at Clemens level). Maybe Thurman Munson could have made it under the Ross Youngs criterion (an on-his-way career cut tragically short), but he didn't get much traction either. Maybe Catfish Hunter got a little extra credit, but hell, he was part of two dynasties.


Pettitte has HoF numbers, but that "PED stink" is clearly a big deal to the writers and the members of this committee, as evidenced by his vote totals and those of Bonds, Clemens, Palmeiro and A-Rod
 
WoodyHayes [OhFark]
2022-12-05 2:34:23 PM  

Dr Dreidel: According to baseball-reference.com, Murph's similarity scores put him on par with the likes of Andruw Jones (not in the Hall yet, but he got a 44% vote share this year and support is growing), Joe Carter, and Duke Snider.

From ages 28-34 (most players' prime years), he was most similar to Reggie Jackson.


I love data and there are several other sites that do a similar thing to Baseball Reference for their own respective sports but man, BR is just so farking awesome and stands alone in terms of their farking awesomeness. It is a good thing I'm not a hardcore baseball guy because a site like that would be "more dangerous to my productivity as a human being than standing armies" if I may be loose with an already largely loosely cited quote. BR is just a wonder to behold.
 
Flappyhead
2022-12-05 3:07:38 PM  

Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.


Do not question the almighty baseball writers.
 
Trainspotr
2022-12-05 3:11:50 PM  
I think the biggest knock against Murphy is that his window of greatness was not overly long, and he didn't really have a window of very goodness. He was arguably one of the five best players in the league from 82 through 85, but he was merely good at best before and after that stretch, and played fewer than 50 games total after 91, when he turned 35. If his peak had lasted 2 more seasons, or he had hung on long enough to get over 450 HR, he might already be in the Hall, but as of yet, he falls a bit short of both the Kirby Puckett "didn't play long but was amazing while he was there" HoFer and the McGriff "never a truly great player, but was very good for a long time" HoFer.

Still, it wouldn't bother me if he was voted in.
 
azwethnkweiz
2022-12-05 3:18:05 PM  

KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

I've been a Braves fan since the 80s and Murphy was very good but never great, he's not a hall of famer.  McGriff was more deserving.  Who cares about some museum though?

Umm, what?  Congratulations.  That's gonna be the dumbest thing I'll read all day.

In what way?  Is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  He was my favorite player as a kid, so I'm not against it, I'd be happy if he got in but there's just nothing to support it.  I've tried to justify his candidacy for years to many people, I eventually had to admit that he's not on that level.

Two time MVP on crappy teams, 398 homers in an era where the league leaders were in the upper 30s, great glove, longevity, etc. etc.

Yeah he had some good seasons but is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  This isn't the NBA, it's not the Hall of the Very Good.

Seven time All Star, multiple gold glove and silver slugger awards. Of course, you could look it up for yourself.


I know all that, I'm not asking for just general starts.  I asked what he did that's hall of fame worthy, I'll give you a 3rd try.  Of course you could just go look up for yourself what the votes have looked like for him and that should tell you all you need to know.
 
rickythepenguin
2022-12-05 3:23:15 PM  
also i wonder how the ubiquity of WGN, TBS, in that era, affects minds.  in the 80s, if you had cable, and in example (Phoenix), there was no baseball team, the Dodgers/Padres/Giants/Angels didn't have a regional network, every godamn day, we could watch the Braves / Cubs.  I have relatives who to this day, are diehards Cubs fan.  the player you watch day in, day out, you're going to pay more attention to.

(And, of these relatives, never mind they've never been to Illinois.)
 
azwethnkweiz
2022-12-05 3:23:22 PM  

Dr Dreidel: azwethnkweiz: KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: KingKauff: azwethnkweiz: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

I've been a Braves fan since the 80s and Murphy was very good but never great, he's not a hall of famer.  McGriff was more deserving.  Who cares about some museum though?

Umm, what?  Congratulations.  That's gonna be the dumbest thing I'll read all day.

In what way?  Is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  He was my favorite player as a kid, so I'm not against it, I'd be happy if he got in but there's just nothing to support it.  I've tried to justify his candidacy for years to many people, I eventually had to admit that he's not on that level.

Two time MVP on crappy teams, 398 homers in an era where the league leaders were in the upper 30s, great glove, longevity, etc. etc.

Yeah he had some good seasons but is there any stat you can provide that's hall of fame worthy?  This isn't the NBA, it's not the Hall of the Very Good.

According to baseball-reference.com, Murph's similarity scores put him on par with the likes of Andruw Jones (not in the Hall yet, but he got a 44% vote share this year and support is growing), Joe Carter, and Duke Snider.

From ages 28-34 (most players' prime years), he was most similar to Reggie Jackson.

I dunno if that's Hall-worthy, but it makes a hell of a case.

// Mattingly is the only Yankee I don't spit after hearing/saying their name
// Schilling screwed several of my friends out of their last 38studios' paychecks, he can fark off into the sun


I love Andruw and Dale, I even loved Fat Druw, neither are hall worthy though.  Almost, but not quite.

Here comes somebody to tell me I'm wrong without being able to back it up...
 
azwethnkweiz
2022-12-05 3:24:41 PM  

Flappyhead: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

Do not question the almighty baseball writers.


This wasn't the writers, it was a small selection of people handpicked to make sure there wasn't gonna be a year with no ceremony.
 
The Bestest
2022-12-05 3:31:47 PM  

Flappyhead: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

Do not question the almighty baseball writers.


this was a committee vote, not writers

on the committee:

Greg Maddux, Jack Morris, Ryne Sandburg, Lee Smith, Frank Thomas, Alan Trammell, Paul Beeston, Theo Epstein, Derrick Hall, Arte Moreno, Kim Ng, Dave St. Peter, Ken Williams, Steve Hirdt, La Vell Neal, Susas Slusser
 
Dr Dreidel
2022-12-05 3:52:56 PM  

The Bestest: Flappyhead: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

Do not question the almighty baseball writers.

this was a committee vote, not writers

on the committee:

Greg Maddux, Jack Morris, Ryne Sandburg, Lee Smith, Frank Thomas, Alan Trammell, Paul Beeston, Theo Epstein, Derrick Hall, Arte Moreno, Kim Ng, Dave St. Peter, Ken Williams, Steve Hirdt, La Vell Neal, Susas Slusser


Maddux, Rhino, Big Hurt, and Trammell would get my votes (I have a bone to pick with Jack Morris, as I was a Braves fan in 1991).

// maybe Theo also, solely on the strength of his willingness to buck baseball tradition and trust actual statisticians over scouts' descriptions of how a guy looks running the bases
 
Your_Huckleberry
2022-12-05 4:12:22 PM  

The Bestest: Flappyhead: Tom-Servo: Fred McGriff got 16 votes and Dale Murphy only got 6?  Alrighty then.

Do not question the almighty baseball writers.

this was a committee vote, not writers

on the committee:

Greg Maddux, Jack Morris, Ryne Sandburg, Lee Smith, Frank Thomas, Alan Trammell, Paul Beeston, Theo Epstein, Derrick Hall, Arte Moreno, Kim Ng, Dave St. Peter, Ken Williams, Steve Hirdt, La Vell Neal, Susas Slusser


i heard Slusser interviewed this morning on KNBR, the Giants flagship. She was not giving up details on the voting, no matter how hard the hosts tried. I got the impression that she voted for Bonds but she would not say for certain. She mentioned that there were arguments presented that she hadn't heard before and that everyone on the committee came in well prepared and well motivated.
I can guarantee Frank Thomsas would fight to the last breath against allowing Bonds and Clemons in. He was very vocally anti-PEDs, even made several pointed remarks during his own HOF speech. He and Flutie can shill all the boner pills they want, though. I always found it interesting that The Big Hurt could and would be so vocal against guys using anything they could to get by or get ahead in baseball. I have to wonder if Thomas was 5'8, 165 instead of 6'5, 275, would he be so sure of his stance?
 
Adolf Oliver Nipples [TotalFark]
2022-12-05 4:54:58 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: The Bestest: Your_Huckleberry: The voting here is apparently a closely guarded secret, but it is kinda out there that Bonds and Clemons did not get many votes at all. That strikes me as a big GFY to them. Considering this was coming from a few guys that are already in the Hall, this is a big "We don't want you here". In other words, they go theirs. Go away.

It struck me that Schilling got fewer votes than Mattingly. I'm as big a Yankee homer as you'll find and Mattingly is -not- HoF caliber. If we take baseball considerations only, Schilling would be borderline, but its pretty clear the "character clause" is hurting him.

I always liked Mattingly, but I'd agree he's probably right below HOF level. Pains me to say it as a Giants fan, but I'd put Will Clark there with him. And I loved watching Clark play.
And yes, Schilling is a POS and so much so that it's hurting his chances.


Mattingly makes the Hall if his back holds up two more seasons and/or the Yankees make the playoffs during his tenure. Now he can only get in as a manager or if they take his career on aggregate, which I don't know they've ever done. Too bad.
 
Gonz
2022-12-05 7:14:32 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: Will Clark there with him. And I loved watching Clark play.


Clark does not deserve to be in. His swing, however, does. That lefty stroke was a thing of beauty.
 
Gonz
2022-12-05 7:29:02 PM  

rickythepenguin: also i wonder how the ubiquity of WGN, TBS, in that era, affects minds.  in the 80s, if you had cable, and in example (Phoenix), there was no baseball team, the Dodgers/Padres/Giants/Angels didn't have a regional network, every godamn day, we could watch the Braves / Cubs.  I have relatives who to this day, are diehards Cubs fan.  the player you watch day in, day out, you're going to pay more attention to.


I was talking about this in a different baseball thread. I grew up watching three teams- the Reds, Cubs, and Braves. Cinci was close, and WGN and WTBS were available. Yes, I said WTBS. I'm old.

I've been to games at Riverfront, GABP, Fulton County (Riverfront but more humid), Turner Field, and, of course, Wrigley.

My kids don't get to see the local teams or the local parks. They'd love to go to a game in Seattle or San Francisco, but thanks to blackout rules, they've got no idea about Nationals Park or Camden Yards, which would be an easy drive.

And because of that, they're not asking to go to the ballpark, which means they're not going to grow up and go to the ballpark, and that's not a great plan for long term health of the sport.
 
Your_Huckleberry
2022-12-06 10:41:48 AM  

Gonz: Your_Huckleberry: Will Clark there with him. And I loved watching Clark play.

Clark does not deserve to be in. His swing, however, does. That lefty stroke was a thing of beauty.


Clark looked to be on his way until he left the Giants after 93. Actually, 93 was kind of a down year for him. Then he spent the 90s leapfrogging with Palmero between the Rangers and Orioles and he never put up the kind of numbers that Palmero did. With no logic behind it, I tend to think that if he'd stayed with the Giants, he'd be right there dueling Tony Gwen for NL batting titles through the decade.
 
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