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(Reason Magazine)   The going rate for target practice on unarmed men in Arizona just jumped to $8 million   (reason.com) divider line
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2022-12-04 9:57:08 PM  
Surprised reason was brave enough to report on this.
 
2022-12-04 11:16:23 PM  
That one was really farked up.  It's a shame his name is pretty much forgotten.
 
2022-12-04 11:24:08 PM  
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Look at me and my tough guy tattoos and my little penis cap.  I shoot people because I got beat up in high school.  No one picks on me anymore.  Tomorrow I think I might start shaving.
 
2022-12-04 11:24:26 PM  
I considered that one of the most farked up things I've ever watched since the first time I saw it a few years ago. They tortured a crying, unarmed, somewhat drunk man with confusing and contradictory instructions while constantly threatening to kill him if he did anything wrong. Well, it wasn't just a threat. Assholes.
 
2022-12-04 11:24:41 PM  
The cops aren't paying, the town is paying.

Which means the taxpayers are paying.

Which means the people getting shot are paying.
 
2022-12-04 11:24:51 PM  
But that is department money, not the officer's cash so its like no big deal right?
 
2022-12-04 11:27:05 PM  

Jeebus Saves: [ichef.bbci.co.uk image 850x478]

Look at me and my tough guy tattoos and my little penis cap.  I shoot people because I got beat up in high school.  No one picks on me anymore.  Tomorrow I think I might start shaving.


I believe they weren't allowed to show the jury in the original case his AR-15, which really screams "Protect and Serve"

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2022-12-04 11:27:25 PM  

SomeAmerican: The cops aren't paying, the town is paying.

Which means the taxpayers are paying.

Which means the people getting shot are paying.


Guys dead.  You stop paying after you die because they really cant punish you much when you're dead.
 
2022-12-04 11:28:02 PM  
"We're going to need an extra large increase in this fiscal years budget to cover... uh... some expenses that we accrued and have no intention to stop accruing"
 
2022-12-04 11:28:35 PM  

Jeebus Saves: SomeAmerican: The cops aren't paying, the town is paying.

Which means the taxpayers are paying.

Which means the people getting shot are paying.

Guys dead.  You stop paying after you die because they really cant punish you much when you're dead.


Ha ha, tell that to the tax man.
 
2022-12-04 11:29:57 PM  
Coming soon, the cops will argue that it's only $4.8million if it's a black person.
 
2022-12-04 11:31:45 PM  
Not begrudging the widow the $8mill, but thats not really justice. The cop who shot him should be punished. Somebody please tell me he is no longer a cop.
 
2022-12-04 11:31:50 PM  

SomeAmerican: The cops aren't paying, the town is paying.

Which means the taxpayers are paying.

Which means the people getting shot are paying.


Perhaps then the good people of Mesa will vote for city officials that don't tolerate trigger-happy gangsters in the police force.  I wish this settlement had been 8 billion instead of 8 million.  Cop murder will stop real fast once cities start being bankrupted by huge settlements.
 
2022-12-04 11:32:03 PM  

Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: Coming soon, the cops will argue that it's only $4.8million if it's a black person.


I don't like the look of that math...
 
2022-12-04 11:33:28 PM  

Nirbo: Jeebus Saves: SomeAmerican: The cops aren't paying, the town is paying.

Which means the taxpayers are paying.

Which means the people getting shot are paying.

Guys dead.  You stop paying after you die because they really cant punish you much when you're dead.

Ha ha, tell that to the tax man.


hissatsu: Jeebus Saves: [ichef.bbci.co.uk image 850x478]

Look at me and my tough guy tattoos and my little penis cap.  I shoot people because I got beat up in high school.  No one picks on me anymore.  Tomorrow I think I might start shaving.

I believe they weren't allowed to show the jury in the original case his AR-15, which really screams "Protect and Serve"

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That was supposed to say "you're fabulous", but the engraver screwed up.  Like a little motivational poster on a gun.
 
2022-12-04 11:36:22 PM  

pollyprepper: Not begrudging the widow the $8mill, but thats not really justice. The cop who shot him should be punished. Somebody please tell me he is no longer a cop.


No he no longer a cop. He is retired on permanent disability claiming PTSD and never has to work again where the state will pay him. Indeed a worthy punishment for a rather viscous murder.
 
2022-12-04 11:37:06 PM  

Nirbo: "We're going to need an extra large increase in this fiscal years budget to cover... uh... some expenses that we accrued and have no intention to stop accruing"


9.5 million is inconsequential in a budget of 3.2 Billion.  Which is a big part of why it happens over and over and over.
 
2022-12-04 11:37:26 PM  

SomeAmerican: The cops aren't paying, the town is paying.

Which means the taxpayers are paying.

Which means the people getting shot are paying.


Yep looks like traffic enforcement is going to have to become more aggressive to cover that bill, or the increase in the town's insurance premiums.
 
2022-12-04 11:37:27 PM  
"A crime punishable by fine means it's legal for a price"
 
2022-12-04 11:38:47 PM  
That cruel sadistic posturing murdering fascist snuff-film-fanatic psychopath should have been buried alive in the desert three years ago.
 
2022-12-04 11:39:25 PM  

Nirbo: Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: Coming soon, the cops will argue that it's only $4.8million if it's a black person.

I don't like the look of that math...


Don't. Don't do it.

It's just 60ish% for no reason.
 
2022-12-04 11:41:13 PM  

BetterMetalSnake: Nirbo: Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: Coming soon, the cops will argue that it's only $4.8million if it's a black person.

I don't like the look of that math...

Don't. Don't do it.

It's just 60ish% for no reason.


Oh thank God. I was worried it was going to be some kind of fraction

Percentages neve hurt nobody.
 
2022-12-04 11:41:43 PM  

Nirbo: Jeebus Saves: SomeAmerican: The cops aren't paying, the town is paying.

Which means the taxpayers are paying.

Which means the people getting shot are paying.

Guys dead.  You stop paying after you die because they really cant punish you much when you're dead.

Ha ha, tell that to the tax man.


Jeebus is right. The world doesn't exist to you when you're dead. Can't give to you or take from you.
They take from your heirs.
 
2022-12-04 11:44:03 PM  

pollyprepper: Not begrudging the widow the $8mill, but thats not really justice. The cop who shot him should be punished. Somebody please tell me he is no longer a cop.


Is "not being able to do one job" punishment?
 
2022-12-04 11:46:00 PM  

batrachoseps: Nirbo: "We're going to need an extra large increase in this fiscal years budget to cover... uh... some expenses that we accrued and have no intention to stop accruing"

9.5 million is inconsequential in a budget of 3.2 Billion.  Which is a big part of why it happens over and over and over.


Mandatory Professional Liability Insurance for all LEOs, paid out of their salary (not union or whatever) - it's like a couple hundred bucks a year which architects and accountants and trainers and consultants and cosmetologists have to carry.

When a carrier has to pay out for a thug like this scumbag they'll drop his coverage and he gets to ply his skills at Walmart.
 
2022-12-04 11:48:40 PM  

Jeebus Saves: [ichef.bbci.co.uk image 850x478]

Look at me and my tough guy tattoos and my little penis cap.  I shoot people because I got beat up in high school.  No one picks on me anymore.  Tomorrow I think I might start shaving.


Ten bucks says those big floral tattoos are covering up white power skinhead ink. You can see the remains of something on his left arm.
 
2022-12-04 11:51:40 PM  
Is this the one where the cops were screaming ridiculously complex and pointless instructions at the guy and then shot him because he didn't "comply" to the letter? If so, it's totally nuts.
 
2022-12-04 11:53:24 PM  
The cop who killed Shaver was fired. But he will receive a disability pension for the rest of his life because he claims he has post-traumatic stress disorder.

Is he still allowed firearms though?
 
2022-12-04 11:54:10 PM  

BuckTurgidson: When a carrier has to pay out for a thug like this scumbag they'll drop his coverage and he gets to ply his skills at Walmart.


You don't see the problem with that? A shiatty cop has to do something bad before his coverage gets dropped. How does that prevent shiatty cops?

Look at the picture of that guy upthread. The way he wears his uniform should have been enough to tell somebody that this guy was just a punk that wanted to play cop so he could shoot somebody. Stop hiring people like him to be cops.
 
2022-12-04 11:57:10 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Is this the one where the cops were screaming ridiculously complex and pointless instructions at the guy and then shot him because he didn't "comply" to the letter? If so, it's totally nuts.


Yep. The victim was the most non-threatening guy I've ever seen, yet shiat for brains decided he was a serious lethal threat.
 
2022-12-05 12:00:44 AM  

SomeAmerican: The cops aren't paying, the town is paying.

Which means the taxpayers are paying.

Which means the people getting shot are paying.


Maybe the taxpayers are ok with having black people get shot? And obviously the Shaver doesn't get to oppose this plan either.
 
2022-12-05 12:10:18 AM  
A murderer who claims a disability pension at the taxpayers' expense due to "PTSD" caused by killing an unarmed non-threatening human and then getting acquitted at trial for it is nothing but vermin of the lowest order. While we are not supposed to endorse violence while commenting in a public forum, I would be positively jubilant to hear that some Mesa resident deals with this in the same manner that I would exterminate a trash panda that attacked my chickens.
 
2022-12-05 12:17:36 AM  
The ex-cop is 25. He will get $30830.52 in disability pay every year. If he lives to 75 he will have collected $1,541,526 from the living citizens of Mesa. Ironically, that is about the same amount the victim's parents received from Mesa in a separate lawsuit.
 
2022-12-05 12:23:57 AM  

CruiserTwelve: BuckTurgidson: When a carrier has to pay out for a thug like this scumbag they'll drop his coverage and he gets to ply his skills at Walmart.

You don't see the problem with that? A shiatty cop has to do something bad before his coverage gets dropped. How does that prevent shiatty cops?


shiatty cops do bad things every day on my goddam dime, and they know they can do that without consequence as much as they feel like until they retire on a pension.

They know when caught I, the taxpayer, foot the payout to their victims and families and it is literally impossible for them to get fired, let alone stay fired for their brutality, misconduct, and perjury; let alone prosecuted or LOL convicted.

If their position on the brute squad were predicated on toning things down just enough to keep the insurance actuaries from booting them, that would be an incremental improvement.

I just Googled "Denver police beating" looking for that story of the cops a few years back caught on their own skycam (rapidly zoomed out and away) beating the shiat out of a kid for calling his dad for advice about the cops beating the shiat out of his friend - the one where the cops and their buddies lied on their reports, were fired, then re-hired.

Came across these instead, which I hadn't even heard about yet:
*Denver reaches $1.2M settlement with unarmed teen who was beaten by police officers, shocked with Taser
*Denver settles with two demonstrators who claim cops used excessive force during the George Floyd protests
*Racial justice activists awarded $14 million in landmark case against Denver police
* Denver's settlement payouts over police behavior have hit a five-year high

Why am I paying for that crap?

Look at the picture of that guy upthread. The way he wears his uniform should have been enough to tell somebody that this guy was just a punk that wanted to play cop so he could shoot somebody. Stop hiring people like him to be cops.

I agree 100% with that.
 
2022-12-05 12:30:23 AM  
"I have seen soldiers deal with al Qaeda terrorists with more professionalism and poise."

Well that's the issue right there. Your average run-of-the-mill jihadi has less melanin than African Americans
 
2022-12-05 12:36:41 AM  

hissatsu: Jeebus Saves: [ichef.bbci.co.uk image 850x478]

Look at me and my tough guy tattoos and my little penis cap.  I shoot people because I got beat up in high school.  No one picks on me anymore.  Tomorrow I think I might start shaving.

I believe they weren't allowed to show the jury in the original case his AR-15, which really screams "Protect and Serve"

[abagond.files.wordpress.com image 560x305]


From the picture, the AR-15 is fully automatic (or just "automatic") meaning its a machine gun.   Why police would ever need a machine gun....    Lay down some cover fire....  Spray and Pray?

There is no excuse nor reason for the police to own machine guns.
 
2022-12-05 12:37:46 AM  
The cop who killed Shaver was fired. But he will receive a disability pension for the rest of his life because he claims he has post-traumatic stress disorder.

What the unholy fark happened to our cops anyway.
 
2022-12-05 12:41:50 AM  

Jeebus Saves: [ichef.bbci.co.uk image 850x478]

Look at me and my tough guy tattoos and my little penis cap.  I shoot people because I got beat up in high school.  No one picks on me anymore.  Tomorrow I think I might start shaving.


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His weapon, the compensator.
 
2022-12-05 12:43:42 AM  

hissatsu: Jeebus Saves: [ichef.bbci.co.uk image 850x478]

Look at me and my tough guy tattoos and my little penis cap.  I shoot people because I got beat up in high school.  No one picks on me anymore.  Tomorrow I think I might start shaving.

I believe they weren't allowed to show the jury in the original case his AR-15, which really screams "Protect and Serve"

[abagond.files.wordpress.com image 560x305]


Do you happen to remember the basis for that ruling?  I can imagine, unfortunately, but I'm genuinely curious what the objection was.
 
2022-12-05 1:08:50 AM  

The Exit Stencilist: "I have seen soldiers deal with al Qaeda terrorists with more professionalism and poise."

Well that's the issue right there. Your average run-of-the-mill jihadi has less melanin than African Americans


Your average run-of-the-mill soldier has more training than cops.
 
2022-12-05 1:10:57 AM  
It is important to note that the officer shouting the instructions and the officer who fired are not the same people. The one who was shouting the instructions was Sgt Charles Langley, not Brailsford.
 
2022-12-05 1:12:23 AM  

CruiserTwelve: The Dog Ate My Homework: Is this the one where the cops were screaming ridiculously complex and pointless instructions at the guy and then shot him because he didn't "comply" to the letter? If so, it's totally nuts.

Yep. The victim was the most non-threatening guy I've ever seen, yet shiat for brains decided he was a serious lethal threat.


I mean... they were there because there was a report of Shaver pointing a gun out of a window
 
2022-12-05 1:17:56 AM  

Jeebus Saves: That one was really farked up.  It's a shame his name is pretty much forgotten.


Not by everyone. Daniel Shaver and Chris Roupe were two names that came up ALOT during the BLM protests during the Trump era. There were a few others from local stories I don't remember as well, but they're examples of the (frankly ironic) fact that BLM cared more about white victims of police brutality than the centrists or the counter-protestors even pretended to.
 
2022-12-05 1:17:58 AM  

hissatsu: I considered that one of the most farked up things I've ever watched since the first time I saw it a few years ago. They tortured a crying, unarmed, somewhat drunk man with confusing and contradictory instructions while constantly threatening to kill him if he did anything wrong. Well, it wasn't just a threat. Assholes.


I'd like to unsee it as well.  "PTSD" my a$$.
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2022-12-05 1:19:09 AM  

Doctor Doodle: CruiserTwelve: The Dog Ate My Homework: Is this the one where the cops were screaming ridiculously complex and pointless instructions at the guy and then shot him because he didn't "comply" to the letter? If so, it's totally nuts.

Yep. The victim was the most non-threatening guy I've ever seen, yet shiat for brains decided he was a serious lethal threat.

I mean... they were there because there was a report of Shaver pointing a gun out of a window


So they showed up at the motel and investigated and determined the best course of action was to play Simon Says for keepsies because why?
 
2022-12-05 1:19:47 AM  

studebaker hoch: The cop who killed Shaver was fired. But he will receive a disability pension for the rest of his life because he claims he has post-traumatic stress disorder.

What the unholy fark happened to our cops anyway.


Well. We started by paying them to find escaped slaves.  Then we paid them to "resolve" situations where people were being "uppity".  Then they started dealing with "disrespectful" and that overlapped with "high".
 
2022-12-05 1:22:30 AM  

Osama bin Limbaugh: hissatsu: I considered that one of the most farked up things I've ever watched since the first time I saw it a few years ago. They tortured a crying, unarmed, somewhat drunk man with confusing and contradictory instructions while constantly threatening to kill him if he did anything wrong. Well, it wasn't just a threat. Assholes.

I'd like to unsee it as well.  "PTSD" my a$$.



He's just really depressed that he didn't get away with it.
 
2022-12-05 1:22:52 AM  

Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: Coming soon, the cops will argue that it's only $4.8million if it's a black person.


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2022-12-05 1:28:56 AM  

studebaker hoch: The cop who killed Shaver was fired. But he will receive a disability pension for the rest of his life because he claims he has post-traumatic stress disorder.

What the unholy fark happened to our cops anyway.


Killology.

That's it. That's what happened. One rich asshole with a platform wrote a book and a bunch of stupid people turned it into a bible.
 
Oak
2022-12-05 1:29:42 AM  

Doctor Doodle: It is important to note that the officer shouting the instructions and the officer who fired are not the same people. The one who was shouting the instructions was Sgt Charles Langley, not Brailsford.


It is important to note that there was more than one officer shouting instructions and that you're a liar.
 
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