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(InsideNova)   VA lawmakers are hard at work looking to bring the equivalent of a DUI checkpoint for marijuana to the roads. I mean, sure, there's no way to actually check for marijuana "intoxication" like with alcohol, but they're not going to let that stop them   (insidenova.com) divider line
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1301 clicks; posted to Politics » on 04 Dec 2022 at 1:28 PM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-12-04 10:23:16 AM  
Get the driver talking as much as possible.  If they go off on a tangent and ask "What were we originally talking about?", they are too high to drive.
 
2022-12-04 11:06:10 AM  
More Jim Crow....I am sure they will set these checkpoints up in very wealthy areas and not in poor cities.
 
2022-12-04 11:09:35 AM  

mrshowrules: Get the driver talking as much as possible.  If they go off on a tangent and ask "What were we originally talking about?", they are too high to drive.


That's gonna catch a lot of people whose only crime is being over 45 years old.
 
2022-12-04 11:10:29 AM  

educated: mrshowrules: Get the driver talking as much as possible.  If they go off on a tangent and ask "What were we originally talking about?", they are too high to drive.

That's gonna catch a lot of people whose only crime is being over 45 years old.


Or who had ADHD.
 
2022-12-04 11:15:08 AM  

mrshowrules: Get the driver talking as much as possible.  If they go off on a tangent and ask "What were we originally talking about?", they are too high to drive.


If they go off on a tangent, but never reach the "What were we originally talkijng about?" phase and just keep going,
it's cocaine.

If they go off on a tangent and ask "And why are you asking me anyway, talking lobster?",
DMT. **thankfully the car is imaginary, as is the cop.**
 
2022-12-04 11:59:25 AM  
Meow.
 
2022-12-04 11:59:32 AM  
All a pig has to do if he's slightly suspicious is claim they smelled weed and run them in on probable cause.
 
2022-12-04 12:16:10 PM  
Just another version of Stop and Frisk.

If only we had a Constitution that prohibited it.
 
2022-12-04 1:31:42 PM  
It would be swell if they could figure out an actual test to determine if someone is under the influence.

So they can stop combining "I smell weed" with "this test shows you smoked some time in the past month" to get DUIs.
 
2022-12-04 1:32:13 PM  
Play a Phish track, if they like it they're on the devil's lettuce
 
2022-12-04 1:33:45 PM  
GOP -- Crime is high across the country, only the Republicans can stop it.

GOP -- randomly pulling over drivers will solve the crime problem.
 
2022-12-04 1:34:44 PM  
Oh, they can spot them. They hear the strains of "Sugar Magnolias" coming down the street. They see the lime-green colored camper-van with a sticker that says "Help on the Way". There is zero chance these hippie chicks aren't high, Cletus.
 
hej
2022-12-04 1:35:20 PM  
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2022-12-04 1:35:47 PM  
Oh, FFS do they not understand why GrubHub is a thing?  Because when you're bombed the last thing you want to do is spend all the energy to get off a couch and work to drive a car.
 
2022-12-04 1:37:45 PM  
Assuming they'll end up going with a policy of if your car smells like weed, you get a DUI for smoking weed in your car like an idiot.
 
2022-12-04 1:38:33 PM  
So the system will be, remind the driver (if at the driver side window) that you're on the left hand side, and see if you get passed something?
 
2022-12-04 1:38:38 PM  

mrshowrules: Get the driver talking as much as possible.  If they go off on a tangent and ask "What were we originally talking about?", they are too high to drive.


VA lawmakers: Hard at work to make it a felony to drive with an open bag of Doritos.
 
2022-12-04 1:39:22 PM  
If you're high, it's too much effort to order a pizza, let alone get into a car and drive.

If only Tricky Dick hadn't Schedule 1'ed the stuff, we'd have 50 years of medical research to conclude this.
 
2022-12-04 1:39:40 PM  
I'll take 1000 stoned drivers over 1 drunk driver, thanks. Can't detect it properly but somehow it's definitely a problem worth investing lots of time and resources on because of the rash of accidents and deaths that have surely resulted from the thing they can't detect.
 
2022-12-04 1:40:13 PM  
"May I ask why you stopped me, officer?"

"It's your speed, sir"

"Well the posted speed limit is 55, Was I going very much over that? I maybe I was doing 58. 60 maximum""

"You were doing seven".
 
2022-12-04 1:40:33 PM  

mrshowrules: Get the driver talking as much as possible.  If they go off on a tangent and ask "What were we originally talking about?", they are too high to drive.


That'll get 80% of people off the road permanently.

I'm okay with this goal, I just don't think it's got anything to do with stopping marijuana intoxication.
 
2022-12-04 1:41:16 PM  
Meanwhile, I've been rear-ended twice, one of which totaled my car, by drivers that looked guilty as hell when asked if they were on their phone at the time of the incident, but lied because why not?
 
2022-12-04 1:44:11 PM  

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I still can't believe this happened. 
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2022-12-04 1:44:36 PM  
You mean like this one used by police in the UK?
 
2022-12-04 1:45:37 PM  
So their evidence that there is a massive issue with driver high on marijuana is that drunk driving is down?
 
2022-12-04 1:45:45 PM  

Blathering Idjut: Oh, FFS do they not understand why GrubHub is a thing?  Because when you're bombed the last thing you want to do is spend all the energy to get off a couch and work to drive a car.


I've stared at a Sonic menu for like an hour before.
 
2022-12-04 1:47:45 PM  

Mugato: "May I ask why you stopped me, officer?"

"It's your speed, sir"

"Well the posted speed limit is 55, Was I going very much over that? I maybe I was doing 58. 60 maximum""

"You were doing seven".


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2022-12-04 1:47:46 PM  

Psychopompous: Meanwhile, I've been rear-ended twice, one of which totaled my car, by drivers that looked guilty as hell when asked if they were on their phone at the time of the incident, but lied because why not?


I remember fearing the drunk driver and all but, these days, I worry more about the cellphone distracted driver far more than someone driving stoned... or even drunk.
 
2022-12-04 1:48:17 PM  
If they came up with a test that actually accurately determined if someone was driving high, I wouldn't mind. I came across Bill Maher's podcast this weekend, which is basically him getting high and subjecting his guests to his stoned blathering, and was reminded that marijuana is in fact capable of making one slow, stupid and unable to react appropriately.
 
2022-12-04 1:49:01 PM  
Find some stone cold sober volunteer and douse them with some non-cannabis-derived terpine extracts you can order online. The cops will lose their minds trying to prove that person is impaired.
 
2022-12-04 1:49:57 PM  

snocone: Just another version of Stop and Frisk.

If only we had a Constitution that prohibited it.


Exactly. Cops love entirely subjective standards where there are not ANY metrics by which their assessments can be questioned.
/Then people wonder why only minorities, immigrants, and suspected liberals get arrested.
 
hej
2022-12-04 1:50:26 PM  

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They are pretty unbelievable, but in the grand scheme of natural genetic experiments being run on a massive scale, pretty much any sizes and shapes can happen.
 
2022-12-04 1:50:56 PM  
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2022-12-04 1:52:26 PM  
Not to mention, the governor refuses to address resentencing people convicted of cannabis offenses under old laws. They also want to:
-Decrease the amount a person can legally possess.
-Take the 30% of cannabis tax revenue dedicated to support communities disproportionately affected by drug enforcement and put it in the General Fund.  (slush fund)
-Remove considerations for cannabis grow/sell licenses for people convicted of cannabis offenses or attended Black colleges.
-Reduce the tax rate on legal cannabis from 21% to 10%, arguably setting up the process to fail.

There's a few other things, but those are the big ones.
 
2022-12-04 1:53:43 PM  
Better idea: Only pull over people who are observed driving recklessly and then just issue citations based on their observed performance behind the wheel, use Dashcams to back up tickets in court.  Once pulled over, officers have the option of roadside testing for spacial awareness, confusion, physical motor skills.  You can fail them and cite them for that, or if they refuse, tow their car and send them home, taking an intoxicated driver off the road for at least that night and providing the municipality with ticket income, which is really the entire point of the process anyway.
 
2022-12-04 1:55:21 PM  
That's funny. I was just in VA doing some work at a little navy base and could believe how many road soda's I spotted.

But as it ever was with white Christian fascist - only their vice is acceptable. Anything else is wrong.
 
2022-12-04 1:56:06 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: Play a Phish track, if they like it they're on the devil's lettuce


I've been on everything but skates and never liked Phish.
 
2022-12-04 1:56:50 PM  

ukexpat: You mean like this one used by police in the UK?


Interesting that it is used only as a first step before going to urine sample. Doesn't seem like it by itself is used as proof so much as to establish unchallengeable probable cause.
 
2022-12-04 1:57:00 PM  
Offer the driver Pumpkin-Spice flavored Funyuns.  They don't even make them it's such a horrible idea for junk food, but a stoner would say "Sure, dude Pig sir, serve 'em up."
 
2022-12-04 1:57:30 PM  
Sounds like they want to seize some money.
 
2022-12-04 2:00:36 PM  
No Sleepy-Time-Good-Night-Rest checkpoints though, even though a major cause of serious accidents is people falling asleep at the wheel. That might interfere with the economy of the 60 hour workweek.
 
2022-12-04 2:00:41 PM  

Rucker10: That's funny. I was just in VA doing some work at a little navy base and could believe how many road soda's I spotted.

But as it ever was with white Christian fascist - only their vice is acceptable. Anything else is wrong.


Um, dude. I'm not sure it's just fascists driving around with road sodas, especially where you were. It's lots and lots of folks, 5 p.m. be damned.

This is just another way for cops to harass folks they would harass were it not frowned upon by a society that's not stuck in the Jim Crow South. Virginia still has laws on the books that allow a cop to stop you if you have something hanging from your rear-view mirror, or because your tint is too dark, or a dozen other things that have nothing to do with actually driving.

Strangely, it's Black folks who get pulled for that shiat all the time. White folks, not so much.
 
2022-12-04 2:01:35 PM  
I know people who regularly smoke and drive or smoke while driving. I don't want to be on the road with them.
 
2022-12-04 2:03:31 PM  

Psychopompous: drivers that looked guilty as hell when asked if they were on their phone at the time of the incident, but lied because why not?


It would be pretty easy to match the time of the accident with the driver's call logs.
 
2022-12-04 2:04:39 PM  
I look like a 60 yr old skin head, I was stopped by a new mexico state trooper doing traffic control for an accident. I rolled down the window to ask what was going on. Freak hail storm closed highway. Anyhoo, I had four oz of Colorado skunk in the backseat. No problems what so ever. Talk for about 20 minutes. This before full legalization. It would be over the limit now anyway.
 
2022-12-04 2:11:29 PM  
I recall a story a few years back about cops who were "trained" by "experts" to tell if a person was stoned by just looking at them.  Some cop went to a weekend seminar and was then considered an expert. He had arrested a good many people. But like out of the 10(?) people arrested in a month, only 1 even actually had pot even in their system (which could have been 30 days ago), the rest were completely clean.
Of course that didn't stop a few of them from losing their jobs and racking up lawyers fees from time they were in jail until they could get out.
 
2022-12-04 2:11:47 PM  

tembaarmswide: Psychopompous: Meanwhile, I've been rear-ended twice, one of which totaled my car, by drivers that looked guilty as hell when asked if they were on their phone at the time of the incident, but lied because why not?

I remember fearing the drunk driver and all but, these days, I worry more about the cellphone distracted driver far more than someone driving stoned... or even drunk.


IIRC, studies have shown that distracted driving is nearly as dangerous as drunk driving, and others have shown that stoned drivers are not usually particularly dangerous. Stoned drivers tend to be more cautious.
 
2022-12-04 2:12:42 PM  

Sanguine Dawn: I'll take 1000 stoned drivers over 1 drunk driver, thanks. Can't detect it properly but somehow it's definitely a problem worth investing lots of time and resources on because of the rash of accidents and deaths that have surely resulted from the thing they can't detect.


Somehow insurance companies and auto repair shops will monetize this.
 
2022-12-04 2:14:02 PM  

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2022-12-04 2:16:31 PM  
Physical tests can be stupidly subjective.  I got pulled over for suspected DUI, taken out of my truck, then went through the silly mental test (count backwards from X by three's, etc), finally wanted me to stand on one leg while doing something else.  Leaned against my truck and rolled up my pants legs and showed off my scars and said "I really don't do 'one legged' anything these days."  LEO gave up and went away.

Still was a Driving While Not White in Potomac situation.
 
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